Kingsteve:

Hey, don't digress from the topic!
I uploaded some of the South African Military hardware pics, cos some posters were banging on about the UNFAIR comparison, with the Military hardware of some 1st world countries, such as...USA and Russia, so I decided to come back home a bit, by comparing the Nigerian Military hardware, with the neighbouring South African one.
This topic is not about the strength of the Military personnel, rather, the strength of the Military hardware...these are two different things.
Let's face it guys, this whole blind patriotism wouldn't lead us anywhere.
Let's call a spade, a spade, and quit beating about the bush!
At the moment, judging by some of those pics posted, the Nigerian Military really have to upgrade their hardware, to be honest...it's quite pathetic to look at!

musiwa31: so you think you have weapon in the north.

Nigeria fought a civil war.. more than 1000 tanks were use. where do you think they are , it is in the south. i think somewhere in the south part of nigeria where the war was fought..

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/03/548052_381521881871166_351241613_n1.jpg[/img]

musiwa31: so you think you have weapon in the north.

Nigeria fought a civil war.. more than 1000 tanks were use. where do you think they are , it is in the south. i think somewhere in the south part of nigeria where the war was fought..

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/03/548052_381521881871166_351241613_n1.jpg[/img]

erinolu:



Before going to far, compare the firepower between SA and Nigeria and judge if they measure with us

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison.asp

Kingsteve:

With only their fleet of submarines, they can easily cause more destruction on a wide scale, than the Nigerian Military would.

sobaemma: are these weapons?chai,pls let me dont go far to countries,pls just type on google,south african arms forces then u will see where technology is advanced,i do say world ve pass the levels of ground war,apcs,tanks,and other rubbish nija has as weapon,cus,just one atomic bomb from air,ur barracks,apc,tanks,armies are gone,can nigeria boost of an atomic bomb as a militarywhile south africa have millions in store,even about to produce nuclear weapon but were stop by the u.s,9ja advance abeg

Zane2point4:

‎​ℓ̊ agree with u partially,but ‎​ℓ̊ don't think Nigeria milltery is equipped more than egypt atleast not now that the poses american built F-16 jet fighter that is capable of taking out russina built s-300 missiles.

Dprinzcolection: Nigerians are funny people. You see the way almost everyone is claiming these weapons are outdated. I bet if this government tries or attempts to equip our military with the latest military hardware's most of you will be the first to call for the presidents removal from office.

I know for a fact most people were against Obasanjo when he was building the Abuja stadium. They said most Nigerians need good roads and daily bread and not an expensive stadium

We want world class airports, but those types of airports don't come cheap.
Just look at the sophisticated military aircraft's USA is supplying to Egypt recently, do you think most Nigerians will allow our president to spend Billions of dollars to equip our military?

Now I am not supporting Party A or Party B, all am saying is the fact that it is very difficult to please Nigerians.
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kachiz:




dude, atomic and nuclear bombs are the same, try and appreciate your country, cos its all you will ever have

chris365:

you are very ignorant sir. War is won by strategy not just guns and bombs. it doesn't matter how they won it but they won anyway. Egypt that is rated as number one, can you tell me how many war they've won? with all their weapons Israel still uses them to play ludo. the south Africa that is respected, how many wars have they fought and won? the only war they faced was the bush war which they lost during the apartheid regime.

can you point out which conflict the almighty US have intervened in and resolved peacefully "i mean the countries are living peacefully right now"
but Nigeria's interventions in SL and Liberia brought lasting peace to those countries and they still thank Nigeria for it.(even though British tried to claim responsibility through their biased media).

guy, appreciate your military cos they stay awake and risk their lives so you can go to sleep with you two eyes closed.

Crassus:

Lol another dunce ak 47 and the m series isn't new. The test was done when they were manufactured. Were u hoping to see a 2013 test for guns made in the 60s?

Crassus:

Lol another dunce ak 47 and the m series isn't new. The test was done when they were manufactured. Were u hoping to see a 2013 test for guns made in the 60s?

playah P:

U are ignorant!
South africa has 4 decommisioned nuclear war heads.
They were decomissioned after d nuclear warhead disarmament convention.
South africa has a small military force but trust me, they will wipe nigeria or any west african country within a week!!

elmajor:
If it's 10th rate ('cuz it can't be 10th in Africa) in the world, does that put the Nigerian Military in a bad state? I sure hope u know it's in UN Secrurity Council.

elmajor:
But little boys of 9-14yrs recruited by rebels in Congo killed at least 8 of their 'trained' officers and they had to abort their mission to intervene in the Congo crisis. It's not about having the equipment but how to wield it. I can bet my fortune NA is the best in Africa.

Denn:

of course Slovakia would have samples of T-55 in their museums...same as we have biafra war relics and muritala mohammed's mercedes in some enclaves....

Slovakia fought a terrible war and that tank sure reminds them of how bad war can be...thats why it is in a museum.

a museum is not a junk yard where you dump useless items...A museum is an institution that cares for (conserves) a collection of artifacts and other objects of scientific, artistic, cultural, or historical importance and makes them available for public viewing through exhibits that may be permanent or temporary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum

Denn: ^^^^^ you 'logic' amuses me.

Did your brain really concoct using a tank against a gunship?

Have you heard the proverb that muscles don't open doors as easily as keys?

You call Nigeria's army a militia? What will you now call Ghana's?

Military strategy and effective use of resources wins a war and not equipment.

jp philips:


Gun ship is a nickname for attack helicopters so it is not what you are thinking, calm down, no resources has been wasted yet. Lol

In modern warfare, gunships are used to neutralize heavy artilleries, tanks and Apc's, they equally provide aeriel support or escort for your ground forces or artilleries if you have any,

now, over the years, modern gun ships have not disappointed in that task. I read during the libya conflict that for some reasons, the gunships will be more efficient in takng out those artilleries than using jets.


Im not saying we dont have MIG gunship, i think i have seen one at NAF base ph, but the only difference here is the capability of yours vs that of your enemy.

In other words, the gun ships are actually the key not the muscle if i should borrow your door analogy,
i may not know why most millitaries prefer it that way cos im not a millitary strategist, but i am sure that is how it plays out most times.

Now if you wanna use an African country for example, SA has and manufactures a plethora of gunships including the rooivalks which recently is classed in tandem with the AH 64 Apache,

can you really say your T55 tanks are safe when your enemy is comming with rooivalks?

Take your time and research the model of tanks and APC's in ghaddafi's arsenal which were disgraced by those blazing birds, and yes at that time, ghaddafi's army were rated 2nd best in Africa.

The AH 64 apache is equally owned by the egyptian army another african country, boeing who happens to be the manufacturer has announced they can be armed with the hell fire missile and you want to be giant of Africa with T55 tanks in such scenario?


good luck with that!!

Kingsteve:

Please tell them!
Like I posted earlier on, it is the blind patriotism of most Nigerians, that have made the people in power...to some extent, to keep delivering mediocrity, because they know, that most would accept it, as long as it gets the job 'PARTIALLY' done!

The most ridiculous excuse I read here, is that; because Nigeria have peaceful neighbouring countries...the need for advanced and sophisticated military hardware, should be down the 'scale of preference'

Anyway, I know the reason why most Nigerians accept substandard way of living...lack of exposure!

AdeXXander:

Stop making all these myopic arguments,the Argument that Nigeria does not need a too-sophisticated Millitary at the moment at the moment is very Valid,It is when a Nation foresees an armed Conflict that it begins a massive Arms Build up,afterall Wars between Nations do not start up suddenly suddenly(sic),they usually build up to the Climax of armed Conflict,so if its ever needed,there will be enough time to Build up the military's capabilities.

Financially also,have you ever stopped to consider the amount it takes to maintain Militaries on the scale and sophistication of which you have been posting Pics?

1 United States United States 689,591,000,000 4.7% 2,141
— European Union European Union 272,484,800,000 1.7% 541
2 China People's Republic of China 129,272,000,000 2.1% 74
3 Russia Russia 64,123,000,000 3.9% 428
4 France France 58,244,000,000 2.3% 879
5 United Kingdom United Kingdom 57,875,000,000 2.6% 893
6 Japan Japan 54,529,000,000 1.0% 401
7 India India 46,219,000,000 2.4% 30
8 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 44,282,000,000 10.1% 1,558
9 Germany Germany 43,478,000,000 1.4% 593
10 Italy Italy
57 Nigeria Nigeria 1,724,000,000 0.9%

now,tell me,which of these Countries above can Nigeria AFFORD to match in Millitary spending to acquire all the HellFire Missiles,Apaches Gunships,Submarines,and whatnot that all you people want?
Everything is relativity.

in passing;I am sure you all know that Nigeria will still defeat any or all of our nearby countries with this same Military you are Bashing.

jp philips:

please nobody is bashing anybody, pundits are creating scenarios and analyzing issues critically.

What time did the US have to build up arms, fortify their defences before pearl habor was attacked in 1941?

Please kindly ans. That question in all humility since you subscribe to millitary unreadiness till disaster looms.

A third major naval arms race, involving the United States, Britain, and Japan, erupted at the end of W[b]orld War I[/b]. It was fueled by Japanese efforts to expand their political influence in East Asia and by an American attempt to gain greater political leverage over Britain. This was a race that, for financial reasons, none of the participants wanted to run very far. It ended at the Washington Conference of 1921-1922 with the first major arms-limitation treaty ever and a new political settlement for East Asia.

jp philips:

your ignorance is world class and pls dont ask me to refute ur obnoxious claims because i cannot aid the education of handkerchiefs like you.
where do you think you are? mama iyaro kai-kai joint?? OMG!!!

jp philips:


Gun ship is a nickname for attack helicopters so it is not what you are thinking, calm down, no resources has been wasted yet. Lol

In modern warfare, gunships are used to neutralize heavy artilleries, tanks and Apc's, they equally provide aeriel support or escort for your ground forces or artilleries if you have any,

now, over the years, modern gun ships have not disappointed in that task. I read during the libya conflict that for some reasons, the gunships will be more efficient in takng out those artilleries than using jets.


Im not saying we dont have MIG gunship, i think i have seen one at NAF base ph, but the only difference here is the capability of yours vs that of your enemy.

In other words, the gun ships are actually the key not the muscle if i should borrow your door analogy,
i may not know why most millitaries prefer it that way cos im not a millitary strategist, but i am sure that is how it plays out most times.

Now if you wanna use an African country for example, SA has and manufactures a plethora of gunships including the rooivalks which recently is classed in tandem with the AH 64 Apache,

can you really say your T55 tanks are safe when your enemy is comming with rooivalks?

Take your time and research the model of tanks and APC's in ghaddafi's arsenal which were disgraced by those blazing birds, and yes at that time, ghaddafi's army were rated 2nd best in Africa.

The AH 64 apache is equally owned by the egyptian army another african country, boeing who happens to be the manufacturer has announced they can be armed with the hell fire missile and you want to be giant of Africa with T55 tanks in such scenario?


good luck with that!!

Kingsteve: I showed my friend (a lady, who has limited knowledge about military hardware) this thread...especially; the pics, and asked her what was her opinion about the military hardware on display.
The first thing she asked me was..."aren't these the weapons that Hitler used?", and I answered... "No, it is the Nigerian Military hardware on display"
I looked at her, and her jaw dropped in disbelief!
Go figure...

jp philips:

the problem with people like you is that you think there is a point to make, but with block heads there is none.
have you pondered to ask yourself the kinda people you talk with here, have u ever imagined you may be gisting with a high school drop out?

did you read the story of the girl who said she was desperate to meet one nairalander, in the end it turned out the guy is a butcher, a petty meat seller.
those are the caliber of peeps you are arguing with, those are the peeps you waste your energy and education to enlighten and you cannot get any gratitude for ur efforts but insult.

i wonder why it doesnt bother you.