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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Peterwins(m): 6:17pm On Jul 18, 2013
johnie:

I am even wondering if there isn't insider trading involved given that he works with UBA Capital and "made" all that money from UBA stocks.

Secondly the OP has given too many personal details about the person.

His name: S _ P _
Where he lives:S _ R _ _ E _ E
His hometown: O _ O G _ _ _U
How much he has now:You all know now!

I hope he doesn't get kidnapped!





Insider trading? Plausible. The OP should be discreet next time.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Nobody: 6:24pm On Jul 18, 2013
His investment decisions should be based on his "circumstantial risk appetite", i.e. what level of risk can he afford giving his present circumstances?

Since he appears to presently have moderate bills it will be nice to generate some income to subsidize his outflows. Therefore completing his Ajah project becomes absolutely imperative. Subjective investing based on younger brothers that have country homes and bullish expectations zenith etc stocks may eventually turn out to be false.

Always remember, the stock market is a "funkified" casino raised to the power of a game of musical chairs
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by yuzedo: 6:25pm On Jul 18, 2013
I no know book:


What I will say is that this post is nothing but a disingenuous advert for UBA stocks. We are not all fools you know!
You are a good man! grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Not only UBA but i think he has some stock in his portfolio that he wants to generate interest/demand in thus pushing prices up. He tried.. Too hard, maybe. cool

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Nobody: 6:43pm On Jul 18, 2013
Peterwins:

Insider trading? Plausible. The OP should be discreet next time.

Truth is stock markets all over the globe thrive on various forms of insider trading....how smart you are determines whether you get caught our or not.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Snes: 7:45pm On Jul 18, 2013
What makes Dangote what he his today is because he invested in essential commodity production, with that money you can build your ajah land and still start a mini essential commodity factory that can generate good income and as well create jobs.
For more info and guidelines u can reach me -kelpconsult@yahoo.com

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Nobody: 7:49pm On Jul 18, 2013
The big boiz on nairaland are talking. cheesy

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by EasternLeopard: 7:56pm On Jul 18, 2013
1st) Seperate d money into 5 and put them into 5 diff banks one yr fixed deposit accts. 2nd) Acquire financial wisdom by studying starting with books like Rich Dad Poor Dad, Cashflow Quadrant, etc 3rd) Once steps 1, 2 & prayers are taken u will be able 2 make wise decisions.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by horlla(m): 8:12pm On Jul 18, 2013
This may or may not be a hype.But I can read between the lines that OP has some interest in UBA,Zenith and FBN shares.Possibly planning a cash out.Trust me NL is enough generate demand that can push the price up.

let's calculate what UBA has given as dividend since he bought the stock if the value will be close to 720k......
I keep my finger crossed like Abayomi Obabolujo would say.........

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by PosCaricature: 8:12pm On Jul 18, 2013
manie:


That is a good idea. But I do not think that 8 million will complete the project. I think completing the 2 units of 3 bedroom flats and letting it out is a better idea.

By completing the house, he can let each flat out for 550k to 600k per annum. I just got a new tenant that paid 2 years rent advance. If he can get 2 years rent advance from each flat that will be 1.1 million to 1.2 million Naira per flat, the two flats will give a combined income of about 2.2 million to 2.4 million Naira that can later be invested in stocks.
Let him send me N1m from the money as consulting fee. Then I can advise him on what to do with the money.

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by PosCaricature: 8:13pm On Jul 18, 2013
manie:


That is a good idea. But I do not think that 8 million will complete the project. I think completing the 2 units of 3 bedroom flats and letting it out is a better idea.

By completing the house, he can let each flat out for 550k to 600k per annum. I just got a new tenant that paid 2 years rent advance. If he can get 2 years rent advance from each flat that will be 1.1 million to 1.2 million Naira per flat, the two flats will give a combined income of about 2.2 million to 2.4 million Naira that can later be invested in stocks.
Let him send me N1m from the money as consulting fee. Then I can advise him on what to do with the money.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by EasternLeopard: 8:15pm On Jul 18, 2013
Financial wisdom is essential in becoming wealthy. Financial Books/ Experts, interaction with investment/business wealthy persons, and prayer can go a long way in helping you develop a good financial frame work. Pls during this one yr never spend/invest but study and think.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Nobody: 8:45pm On Jul 18, 2013
I also have some money to invest. I was told baba ijebu is very lucrative, can I try?
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by kliq(m): 9:49pm On Jul 18, 2013
Stocks for me?no go area....still tryna recover....for d longrun sure sounds kool....@ d moment I suggest property...merci
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Tatian(f): 10:03pm On Jul 18, 2013
O Greene: "Thirdly, he believes stocks like Zenith Bank, FBN, UBA, UBA Capital, Access Bank and ETI are currently undervalued, investing in this stocks should give an average dividend yield of 6.5% is over 700k and an upside potential of 30% to 40% that is 3.3 million Naira to 4.4 million Naira in the next 12 months."

Can someone please explain this for me? I want to understand how this stocks/shares work. Thank you.


Me too. Thanks
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by peleson: 10:20pm On Jul 18, 2013
Peterwins:

Step 1:He should simply invest as stated above and cash out before June 2014.

Step 2:Then use the proceeds to fully build (within 6 months) his rental property in Lagos which should be ready by December 2014 as explained below;



Step 3: Use the rental income to reinvest in the NSE in the 1st/2nd quarter of 2015 (the NSE will definitely be bearish as a result of the 2015 elections).

Step 4: He can now think of a country home once the market (NSE) becomes bullish again after the 2015 elections.



I think I love this part a lot! Pls what other company shares can one buy .
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by hardeyincah(m): 10:25pm On Jul 18, 2013
I no know book:


What I will say is that this post is nothing but a disingenuous advert for UBA stocks. We are not all fools you know!

thanks for the insight
i have already fall in love with their advert o o......
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jul 18, 2013
Do the maths...
Go for the one with best ROI

But as for me i'll rather develop a property in lagos than tie down my money in the village except I have more than enough to spare. Am not a pro in stocks bullish calculation/movements e.t.c so I'll stick to what I know that is guaranteed, steady, appreciates then afterwards invest more of its returns in stocks.

REAL ESTATE IT IS FOR ME, Abeg make I carry dey go singing o lala different strokes for different folks and goodluck to you allgrin

Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Bay1970(m): 11:33pm On Jul 18, 2013
I no know book:
Hype it, then when it becomes hot, dump it. It's nothing but a hype and dump thingz, it's an ageless, well practiced system of hyping stocks. And trust me, it's gonna work, because there will always be suckers. How could shares you bought with N4,000,000.00 in 2012 pay you a dividend of 702k in 2013? How much did UBA declare as dividend? Please, people look before you leap because I know that so many people will be rushing off to buy UBA stocks after reading this clever advert. DON'T BE A FOOL!

Bros, don't just write, do the math -

UBA gave 50k dividend June 2013, if he used 4m on UBA at N2.5, he will have 4m/2.5K = 1.6M UNITS.
At 50k dividend, he will collect N800,000.00 - Taxes and other fees = 702k dividend.
So the guy is right.

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Revolva(m): 12:00am On Jul 19, 2013
i laff i will be the last person to buy shares in Naija....omo i go first complete my house for Lagos....before home town..who cares....
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by ultimatenath1(m): 3:35am On Jul 19, 2013
ma peeps in d houz....wen it coms to buying of shares and stock.....im a complete novice and dunno anytn abt it buh hav a flare 2go into it...can som1 put me tru abt hw it and hw i can stat wit a pay like 150. Thnk ma ppple. I grit u all
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 6:11am On Jul 19, 2013
Peterwins:

Insider trading? Plausible. The OP should be discreet next time.



I do not think this is inside trading, if you know how to calculate the intrinsic value of stocks you will know that UBA was undervalued at N2.50k even at the current price of N8.30 it is still undervalued. The stock should not be selling for anything less than N10.00.

Anybody with the requisite knowledge, patience and multiple streams of income will make more money on the long term investing in undervalued stocks than in real estate.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 6:15am On Jul 19, 2013
EasternLeopard: 1st) Seperate d money into 5 and put them into 5 diff banks one yr fixed deposit accts. 2nd) Acquire financial wisdom by studying starting with books like Rich Dad Poor Dad, Cashflow Quadrant, etc 3rd) Once steps 1, 2 & prayers are taken u will be able 2 make wise decisions.


The books are good but they are meant for starters in the game of investment.

Books like Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham, Security Analysis by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd are more like it.

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Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 6:20am On Jul 19, 2013
horlla: This may or may not be a hype.But I can read between the lines that OP has some interest in UBA,Zenith and FBN shares.Possibly planning a cash out.Trust me NL is enough generate demand that can push the price up.

let's calculate what UBA has given as dividend since he bought the stock if the value will be close to 720k......
I keep my finger crossed like Abayomi Obabolujo would say.........

N4 million will buy 1.625 million units of UBA shares at an average price of N2.40k and deduction of commission,taxes and other charges.

UBA paid a dividend of N0.50k about 4 weeks ago, that is N812,000. If you deduct with-holding tax of 10% you will have a dividend of N731,000 from his investment of N 4 million.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 7:07am On Jul 19, 2013
horlla: This may or may not be a hype.But I can read between the lines that OP has some interest in UBA,Zenith and FBN shares.Possibly planning a cash out.Trust me NL is enough generate demand that can push the price up.

let's calculate what UBA has given as dividend since he bought the stock if the value will be close to 720k......
I keep my finger crossed like Abayomi Obabolujo would say.........


I do not know how knowledgeable or conversant you are with the stock market, but the top 4 banking stocks in Nigeria are one the cheapest in the world at their current valuations.
They are highly liquid and have been consistent with dividend payments over the years, these are the stocks that foreign investors, institutional investors and Pension fund managers invest in.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 7:12am On Jul 19, 2013
Peterwins:

You must be objective (and fairly knowledgeable) in any investment decision you take. Get in touch with any reputable stock-broking firm and seek professional advise.

However, if you must invest in the NSE as a novice, just make sure you only invest in stocks of a few multi-nationals such as: Guinness, Unilever, Cadbury and Nestle. These companies have good/strong corporate governance.

You can start investing in other stocks once you fairly understand how the NSE works.

Fundamentals do not support the current prices of the listed stocks, I have sold all my Nigerian Breweries, PZ, Nestle, Unilver and Nestle.

They are all good companies, but they are not selling at good prices, Price/earning ratio, Price/ earning growth rate, Net asset per share, profit margin do not support their current price. I foresee a stagnation in the price of the listed stocks in no distant future.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by olushowunm(m): 8:54am On Jul 19, 2013
@OP... YOU ARE DISCLOSING TOO MUCH!

IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT HOW TO INVEST EFFECTIVELY, PLEASE CHECK MY THREAD ON "HOW TO INVEST EFFECTIVELY" AND "THE ART OF PERSONAL LEVERAGE"... CHEERS!
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 10:29am On Jul 19, 2013
olushowunm: @OP... YOU ARE DISCLOSING TOO MUCH!

IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT HOW TO INVEST EFFECTIVELY, PLEASE CHECK MY THREAD ON "HOW TO INVEST EFFECTIVELY" AND "THE ART OF PERSONAL LEVERAGE"... CHEERS!


You can share some of your hints with members of the forum, who may gain one or two things from you.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by olushowunm(m): 10:55am On Jul 19, 2013
@OP.... I ALREADY DID AND THATS WHY I ENCOURAGED THEM TO VIEW MY THREADS...
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by manie(m): 11:10am On Jul 19, 2013
Jarus: Good job, man. I think we have similar orientation.

In my family too, it is the tradition to do countryhome first i.e build your first house in our town before thinking of any other place, even though we work in Lagos (our parents are at home). After the first house at home, you can then start elsewhere. This is despite the fact that we go home just twice or thrice a year (only the sallah visit is guaranteed) and we don't spend more than 4 days. But there is this sense of fulfilment that comes with having a countryhome. By God's grace, I'm close to rounding up mine too (https://www.nairaland.com/784501/building-house-kwara-state-journal/2.

Next plan after completing teh countryhome is city house (wherever you are working permanently, for most of us Lagos.


None of these however stops investing. You can put say 3m into further investments. It's not compulsory for you to finish the house at a stretch. You can do it over 2 years. You don't need to spend all your income on teh project.

It depends on a number of factors, but based on my own orientation/upbringing, if I were in your shoes, I would:

1, Put 4m back into further investments
2, Put 3m into your countryhome project immediately
3, Put 4m into short-term investments (e.g money market) and liquidate over 2 years, to continue your project at say 3 months interval or milestones e.g up to lintel, roofing, etc) . That way, you still make little money while continuing the project. Remember you're not living in your village, so no urgent need to rush.

As for Ajah land, that's very great. I stay in that side too (we have things in common) and a colleague just got 6m to acquire a plot in Badore (Ajah). Thankfully, your land will continue to appreciate. So you can come back to it later.



Thanks Jarus for your insight. But as an incurable investor, who is wired to pray for the best and prepare for the worst. I do not think using my money to build a house in the village is an investment savvy decision, I will rather use the return on my investment via dividend, capital gain, profit and interest to build in the village. In most cases such buildings are liability and not an asset, from an investor's point of view.

God forbid if one loses a job, but have a house in the village that does not generate rental income nor can be used as a collateral to secure a loan, what can such as person do in that scenario?
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Peterwins(m): 11:51am On Jul 19, 2013
manie:



I do not think this is inside trading, if you know how to calculate the intrinsic value of stocks you will know that UBA was undervalued at N2.50k even at the current price of N8.30 it is still undervalued. The stock should not be selling for anything less than N10.00.

Anybody with the requisite knowledge, patience and multiple streams of income will make more money on the long term investing in undervalued stocks than in real estate.

It may or may not be insider trading. However, what is insider trading?

Definition of 'Insider Trading'
The buying or selling of a security by someone who has access to material, nonpublic information about the security.

Investopedia explains 'Insider Trading'
Insider trading can be illegal or legal depending on when the insider makes the trade: it is illegal when the material information is still nonpublic--trading while having special knowledge is unfair to other investors who don't have access to such knowledge. Illegal insider trading therefore includes tipping others when you have any sort of nonpublic information. Directors are not the only ones who have the potential to be convicted of insider trading. People such as brokers and even family members can be guilty.

Insider trading is legal once the material information has been made public, at which time the insider has no direct advantage over other investors. The SEC, however, still requires all insiders to report all their transactions. So, as insiders have an insight into the workings of their company, it may be wise for an investor to look at these reports to see how insiders are legally trading their stock. source: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/insidertrading.asp
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by Peterwins(m): 12:16pm On Jul 19, 2013
manie:

Fundamentals do not support the current prices of the listed stocks, I have sold all my Nigerian Breweries, PZ, Nestle, Unilver and Nestle.

They are all good companies, but they are not selling at good prices, Price/earning ratio, Price/ earning growth rate, Net asset per share, profit margin do not support their current price. I foresee a stagnation in the price of the listed stocks in no distant future.

Really!!! These stocks (Unilever,Guinness, Nestle and Cadbury) are held for long-term and not for short-term / margin trading like financial services stocks. Comparing apples with oranges. No, I think its more like comparing a Cocoa tree(and its yield) with corn/maize. Cash crops vs Food crops.

It is important that first time investors in the stock market are adequately and truthfully informed. I don't like when people (especially naive investors) are misguided.

I do not like recommending financial services stocks because of their volatility to first time / naive investors who are really ignorant about how the NSE works. However if they insist, a GTB or FBN will be a good start.
Re: Should I Build In Lagos Or In My Home Town or buy Stocks with my N 11 million by kizitoik2004(m): 12:21pm On Jul 19, 2013
manie: A friend who works with UBA Capital invested 4 million Naira on the shares of UBA in January 2012. He planned to hold the stock for 36 months that is till January 2015. The average purchase price of the stock was between N2.35k and N2.50k.

The guy got a dividend of 702k from his stock in June 2013, after which he sold 90% 0f his shareholding for about 10.5 million Naira. With the sale of 90% of his UBA shares and the dividend received he has over 11 million Naira. He is now contemplating what to do with the money considering the various alternatives that are available.

Firstly he does not have a country home in his home town, that is Odogbolu in Ogun State. His younger brothers all have a country home at Odogbolu and he is the only one left out among the 3 of them. He is therefore thinking of using the money to build a house at Odogbolu.



Secondly he has a fenced plot of land at Ajah, he stopped in 2009 at the foundation stage. He is considering using the 11 million Naira to build a moderately finished 2 units of three bedroom flats that will give a minimum rental income of 1.1 Million Naira.I currently charge my tenants 550k per annum, he may decide to charge same or higher rate.


Thirdly, he believes stocks like Zenith Bank, FBN, UBA, UBA Capital, Access Bank and ETI are currently undervalued, investing in this stocks should give an average dividend yield of 6.5% is over 700k and an upside potential of 30% to 40% that is 3.3 million Naira to 4.4 million Naira in the next 12 months.


What will do you if you are in Supo's shoes.
well, if I'm to be in your shoe boss, I'll start the house in lagos not village alright but I'll still invest a greater share of the money on those stocks you've analize already.

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