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Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by deols(f): 4:38pm On Jul 24, 2013
Is the duau khatmil Quran authentic?
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 9:16pm On Jul 24, 2013
deols: Is the duau khatmil Quran authentic?

I don't know but i'd investigate.

A great book with authenic duas is 'fortress of the muslim' compiled by said bin wahf al qahtani.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by deols(f): 12:22pm On Jul 25, 2013
tbaba1234:

I don't know but i'd investigate.

A great book with authenic duas is 'fortress of the muslim' compiled by said bin wahf al qahtani.




That is hisnul Muslim..
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 12:27pm On Jul 25, 2013
Yea,
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 12:13am On Aug 05, 2013
deols: Is the duau khatmil Quran authentic?

Yea
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by BetaThings: 10:35am On Aug 05, 2013
tbaba1234:

Yea
Please can you provide details. Some people have said it is not.

deols: Is the duau khatmil Quran authentic?
I am full of envy
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by deols(f): 12:29pm On Aug 05, 2013
BetaThings:
Please can you provide details. Some people have said it is not.


I am full of envy

Envy

undecided
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 12:47pm On Aug 05, 2013
BetaThings:
Please can you provide details. Some people have said it is not.

It is a dua Qunoot (said after witr) so it is not obligatory that it is words of the messenger. You can make any dua you want.

The below is from islam qa:

It is not obligatory for the du’aa’ of Qunoot to be in the words narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) rather it is permissible for the worshipper to say other words or to add to them. Even if he were to recite verses from the Qur’aan that include words of supplication.

This is a video of sheikh sudais saying dua khatmil Quran at the haram... I guess after ramadan since the whole book is recited.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zED2jcu15ys&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by BetaThings: 5:42pm On Aug 05, 2013
deols:

Envy

undecided

I don't understand these "frownies" (because they don't seem to be smiling)
I believe that envy is permitted in two cases
Strictly speaking, completing the Qur'an is not included in the two but I see as an extension of one of them and is thus a good deed that can be envied
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by deols(f): 7:29pm On Aug 05, 2013
BetaThings:
I don't understand these "frownies" (because they don't seem to be smiling)
I believe that envy is permitted in two cases
Strictly speaking, completing the Qur'an is not included in the two but I see as an extension of one of them and is thus a good deed that can be envied

I use a divided one and the dua' is after each of the booklets.

Lemme smile now smiley smiley


I asked the question because I am not sure that it is the same as the khutbah(not sure if this is the term used) that many alfas recite.

I remember that when I was young, our then ustadh would recite khutbah of suratul yaasin anytime we recited it(it was a friday ritual). Each surah or the commonly recites ones like mulk and khaf have theirs too(i guess).

During nikkah, some alfas recite one as well that is meant to be for the couple..they say something like, a prayer for their barakah.

I have however never read authentic narrations on them. Hence my question.

Anyone with enough info on them should pls share.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by deols(f): 7:33pm On Aug 05, 2013
tbaba1234:

It is a dua Qunoot (said after witr) so it is not obligatory that it is words of the messenger. You can make any dua you want.

The below is from islam qa:

It is not obligatory for the du’aa’ of Qunoot to be in the words narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) rather it is permissible for the worshipper to say other words or to add to them. Even if he were to recite verses from the Qur’aan that include words of supplication.

This is a video of sheikh sudais saying dua khatmil Quran at the haram... I guess after ramadan since the whole book is recited.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zED2jcu15ys&feature=youtube_gdata_player





My service isnt good enough for the video. It probably is similar to that of suratul yaasin as I said above. But what is the proof from the sunnah of rasululllah
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by lanrexlan(m): 7:47pm On Aug 05, 2013
tbaba1234:

It is a dua Qunoot (said after witr) so it is not obligatory that it is words of the messenger. You can make any dua you want.

The below is from islam qa:

It is not obligatory for the du’aa’ of Qunoot to be in the words narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) rather it is permissible for the worshipper to say other words or to add to them. Even if he were to recite verses from the Qur’aan that include words of supplication.

This is a video of sheikh sudais saying dua khatmil Quran at the haram... I guess after ramadan since the whole book is recited.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zED2jcu15ys&feature=youtube_gdata_player




My question is that if there is a dua already prescribed by the prophet(pbuh),can someone make another dua on one's own if it doesn't contradict that of the prophet(pbuh)'s?
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 7:56pm On Aug 05, 2013
lanrexlan: My question is that if there is a dua already prescribed by the prophet(pbuh),can someone make another dua on one's own if it doesn't contradict that of the prophet(pbuh)'s?

Ofcourse, as long as it does not contain elements of shirk...etc and you do not give conditions like say it 1000 times for something to happen.

That becomes problematic.

Duas are heart felt requests. Even the duas prescribed have to said with some feeling.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by lanrexlan(m): 8:01pm On Aug 05, 2013
tbaba1234:

Ofcourse,as long as it does not contain elements of shirk...etc and you do not give conditions like say it 1000 times for something to happen.

That becomes problematic.

Duas are heart felt requests.Even the duas prescribed have to said with some feeling.
Jazakumullah Khairan
@Bolded,I remember a family friend that was given a dua to recite 30,000 times.When reciting it,he ran mad.Thanks to one ustaz that helped him out.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 9:04pm On Aug 05, 2013
deols:

My service isnt good enough for the video. It probably is similar to that of suratul yaasin as I said above. But what is the proof from the sunnah of rasululllah

The below is about Dua Qunoot from Islamqa:

Praise be to Allah.
Firstly:

Qunoot in Witr prayer is Sunnah and mustahabb; it was narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and there are some hadeeths which give the wording for du‘aa’ al-qunoot.

It was narrated that al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali may Allah be pleased with him) said:

The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) taught me some words to say in Qunoot of Witr:

“Allaahumma ihdini feeman hadayta wa ‘aafini feeman ‘aafayta wa tawallani feeman tawallayta wa baarik li feema a’tayta, wa qini sharra ma qadayta , fa innaka taqdi wa la yuqda ‘alayk, wa innahu laa yadhillu man waalayta wa laa ya’izzu man ‘aadayta, tabaarakta Rabbana wa ta’aalayta (O Allaah, guide me among those whom You have guided, pardon me among those whom You have pardoned, turn to me in friendship among those on whom You have turned in friendship, and bless me in what You have bestowed, and save me from the evil of what You have decreed. For verily You decree and none can influence You; and he is not humiliated whom You have befriended, nor is he honoured who is Your enemy. Blessed are You, O Lord, and Exalted.).”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1425; at-Tirmidhi, 464. Classed as hasan by at-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr in al-Istidhkaar, 2/285 and an-Nawawi in al-Adhkaar, 86

See question no. 14093.

In Saheeh Ibn Khuzaymah (1100) it is narrated that the people, at the time of ‘Umar, used to pray against the disbelievers in the middle of Ramadan, (saying): “O Allah, destroy the disbelievers who seek to prevent people from following Your path and who disbelieve in Your Messengers and do not believe in the Day of Resurrection. Create disunity among them and instil fear in their hearts, and send Your wrath and punishment upon them, O God of truth.”

Then he would send blessings on the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and pray for the Muslims for whatever he could of good, then he would pray for forgiveness for the believers. He said: And he used to say when he had finished praying against the disbelievers, sending blessings upon the Prophet, praying for forgiveness for the believing men and women and asking for good: “O Allah, You (alone) we worship and to You (alone) we pray and prostrate; for Your sake we strive and worship. We hope for Your mercy, our Lord, and we fear Your inevitable punishment, for Your punishment will surely befall the one whom You oppose.” Then he would say takbeer and fall down in prostration.

Al-Albaani said: Its isnaad is saheeh

Secondly:

Paying attention to the du‘aa’ that was narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then from his Companions after him, is better and is preferable and brings more blessings than making up flowery supplications and invented awraad, for which there is no guarantee that they will be free from mistakes in meaning or that they will not be contrary to proper etiquette when calling upon Allah, may He be exalted, and it will be more likely to keep one safe from showing off.

Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Allah, may He be exalted, has given us permission to call upon Him and has taught du‘aa’ in His Book to His creation, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has taught his ummah how to offer du‘aa’. The du‘aa’ of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is based on three things: proper knowledge of Tawheed (the Oneness of Allah), proper knowledge of the (Arabic) language and sincerity to the ummah. So no one should turn away from his du‘aa’ (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him).

Al-Maawardi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Haawi al-Kabeer (2/200): What is narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is what is more liked by us than anything else, but whatever a person says in Qunoot of ‘du‘aa’s narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and otherwise is good for that purpose.

Both texts were quoted by Shaykh Muhammad Ismaa‘eel al-Muqaddim in his essay: ‘Oodu ila khayr al-Huda, p. 45-46]

Ibn ‘Uqayl al-Hanbali (may Allah have mercy on him) narrated that ‘du‘aa’s narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) should be what is recited as regular wird, and anything added to it is by way of a concession. He said: What is mustahabb in our view is that which was narrated by al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): “Allahumma ihdini…” – the well-known hadeeth. He said: If one adds to that the words narrated from ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him), “Allahumma inna nasta‘eenuka… (O Allah, we seek Your help)…”, there is nothing wrong with that. End quote.

This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in his comment on al-Muharrar, 1/89

Indeed, some of the scholars spoke sternly about the issue of adding to the ‘du‘aa’s narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him, to the extent that al-‘Izz ibn ‘Abd as-Salaam (may Allah have mercy on him) said – as it says in his Fataawa, 87 –: It is not appropriate to add anything to or subtract anything from what the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said in Qunoot.

Quoted from ‘Oodu ila Khayr al-Huda, p. 45

Thirdly:

There is nothing wrong with adding to the wording narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) in Qunoot words that may be appropriate to the situation, because this is the issue of du‘aa’ (supplication), and the issue of du aa’ is broad in scope, and adding to it is something that is allowed in Islam. Concerning the du‘aa’ narrated from ‘Umar, it says: … and he would pray for whatever he could of good for the Muslims, then he would pray for forgiveness for the believers.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo‘ (3/477-478):

Shaykh Abu ‘Amr ibn as-Salaah said: The view of those who say that one should limit du‘aa’ in Qunoot to that which is narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is odd (shaadhdh) and is not acceptable; it is contrary to the opinion of the majority of our companions and in fact is contrary to the opinion of the majority of scholars. Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad narrated that the scholars were unanimously agreed that there is no specific du‘aa’ for Qunoot… The author of al-Haawi said: It may be done reciting the du‘aa’ narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) or by saying other du‘aa’s. End quote.

It says in al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 34/63:

He may add whatever he wants of du‘aa’s that are permissible to say during prayer. End quote.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said in ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 4/52:

If he adds to that, there is nothing wrong with that, because it is the matter of du‘aa’ (supplication). End quote.

Fourthly:

It is important to note that although adding (phrases not narrated in the Sunnah) to a du‘aa’ narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is permissible according to the majority of scholars, it is not permissible to take that as a regular practice, thus neglecting the Sunnah and missing out on the blessing (barakah) of following the Sunnah as a result of that. Indeed, one should not always combine the two and regard them as being the same in status. Rather the worshipper should do that sometimes and not do it sometimes, according to the situation.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Undoubtedly dhikr and du‘aa’s are among the best kinds of worship. Acts of worship are based on tawqeef and following, not on whims and desires and innovation. The du‘aa’s and dhikrs narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) are the best that anyone can find of dhikr and du’aa’, and the one who limits himself to them will be safe and sound. The beneficial results that they bring cannot be put into words or fully comprehended by man. Any other dhikrs may be haraam or they may be makrooh. They may involve shirk which most people may not realize and which would take too long to explain in detail.

No one has the right to prescribe for people any kind of dhikr or du‘aa’ that is not narrated in the Sunnah and make it an act of worship that people should perform regularly as they perform the five daily prayers regularly. Rather this is a kind of innovation in religion for which Allaah has not given permission… As for adopting a wird that is not prescribed in sharee’ah and dhikr that is not prescribed in sharee‘ah, this is something that is forbidden. Moreover the du‘aa’s and adhkaar that are prescribed in sharee‘ah are the best and lead to achieving all aims and goals; no one turns away from them and adopts innovated and invented adhkaar except one who is ignorant, negligent or a wrong doer.

Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 22/510- 511

Fifthly:

How long should Qunoot be? Is it prescribed to make it lengthy or not?

If we study the hadeeth of al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali quoted above, we will find that the du‘aa’ that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) taught him is a brief and concise du‘aa’ that only takes a few minutes. This indicates that what is appropriate in du‘aa’ al-Qunoot is to make it brief and to stick to concise phrases.

It says in Mughni al-Muhtaaj, 1/369:

It says in al-Majmoo‘, narrating from al-Baghawi: It is makrooh to make Qunoot lengthy, like the first tashahhud. Al-Qaadi Husayn said: If he makes Qunoot longer than is usual, that is makrooh. End quote.

In fact an-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) indicated that combining the du‘aa’ of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the du‘aa’ of ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) in Qunoot comes under the heading of making it lengthy, and one should pay attention to the people’s circumstances and find out whether they approve of that.

He said: Our companions said: It is mustahabb to combine the Qunoot of ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) and that which is mentioned in the hadeeth quoted above. If they are combined, then the more correct way is to recite the Qunoot of ‘Umar second. And if he wants to keep it short, he should limit it to what is narrated in the hadeeth. Rather it is mustahabb to combine the two if he is praying on his own or if he is an imam of people who approve of making it lengthy. And Allah knows best.

Al-Majmoo‘, 3/478

If combining the two du‘aa’s mentioned, even though they are brief, is regarded as a kind of making it lengthy, then how about what is mentioned in your question of making it last for twenty minutes or thereabouts? What about those who offer du‘aa’ for double that time or more, which many imams do who do not care about anything except giving a performance in front of people, Allah forbid? People have seen strange things of that nature nowadays.

The best approach in all of that – and Allah knows best – is to be moderate, for the best of affairs are those that are moderate; and Islam forbids making things difficult for people, especially if there is a custom of doing that every night.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen was asked the following question in Fataawa ‘Ulama’ al-Balad al-Haraam (152):

In Ramadan, some of the imams in the mosques make the du‘aa’ long, and some make it short. Which is the correct way?

He (may Allah have mercy on him) replied:

The correct way is not to exaggerate or to fall short. Making it so long that it causes hardship for the people is forbidden. When the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) heard that Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal was making the prayer very lengthy when he led his people in prayer, he got angry in exhortation in an unprecedented manner, and he said to Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal: “O Mu‘aadh, do you want to put people off their religion?” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6106; Muslim, 465.

So what should be done is adhering to the words narrated (in hadeeth) or one may add more to that.

Undoubtedly making it very lengthy causes hardship to people and exhausts them, especially the weak ones among them. Among the people are those who have work ahead of them but they do not like to leave before the imam, although it is difficult for them to stay with the imam. So my advice to my brother imams is to adopt a moderate approach. By the same token, they should refrain from offering du‘aa’ on occasion, so that the common folk do not think that du‘aa’ is obligatory. End quote.

See also the answer to question no. 93051

Sixthly:

With regard to what you asked about reciting du‘aa’ al-Qunoot (in a manner like reciting Qur’an) and beautifying the voice in it, if he exaggerates about that and is preoccupied with it and makes it his main concern, and he uses it as a means of attracting people’s attention to him, or he crosses the boundary between du‘aa’ and exhortation or speaks as people ordinarily do, as in the case of the person referred to in your question, and as is done by many imams who toy with the people’s worship and emotions – if the situation is as described, then it is objectionable and is disapproved by everyone who knows the teachings of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and is rejected by everyone who has a sound nature.

Al-Kamaal ibn al-Humaam al-Hanafi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, when discussing the mu’adhdhins who used to repeat the takbeers behind the imam – in his time –

With regard to what you are accustomed to in this city, it is not unlikely that it is wrong, because it usually involves elongating the first syllable in the words “Allah” and “akbar”, or the second syllable in the word “akbar”, and that is wrong. Even if it does not involve that, they still raise their voices too much, more than is needed to convey the words, and they focus too much on their performance of tunes to show their proficiency in doing so, which has nothing to do with carrying out the act of worship properly.

It is obvious that the purpose behind this is to impress the people. It is as if he is saying: Look at my beautiful voice and how I come up with nice tunes, and that is wrong. I do not think that this would come from one who really understands the meaning of prayer and worship!

If this is what he said concerning the mu’adhdhins, then what about the imams who do that in the prayer itself?! It is no wonder that he commented further and said:

Similarly, I think that coming up with nice tunes in du‘aa’, as some reciters do in our times, is not done by one who understands the real meaning of du‘aa’ and asking of Allah. That is no more than a kind of playing about. If you saw someone making a request of a king and he put on this kind of performance, with his voice rising and falling as if singing, he would be accused of mockery and fooling about, because the appropriate way to ask is with beseeching and humility, not singing! End quote.

Fath al-Qadeer by Kamaal ibn al-Humaam, a Hanafi faqeeh, 2/225-226

With regard to paying attention to making the voice beautiful, without exaggerating or pronouncing the letters differently from the correct Arabic pronunciation, it seems that this does not come under the heading of blameworthy singing referred to above.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about this and he replied in detail.

He (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked the following question, as it says in Fataawa al-Balad al-Haraam, 153:

Some imams of mosques try to soften people’s hearts and move them by changing the tone of voice sometimes during taraweeh prayer and in du‘aa’ al-Qunoot, and I heard that some scholars disapprove of that. What is your opinion of that?

His reply was:

What I think is that if this is done within shar‘i limits, without exaggerating, then there is nothing wrong with it. Hence Abu Moosa al-Ash‘ari said to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): If I had known that you were listening to my recitation, I would have beautified it for you.” If someone has a beautiful voice or recites in a way that softens people’s hearts, I do not think there is anything wrong with that. But exaggerating with regard to that so that he does this with every single word of the Qur’an, as mentioned in the question – I think that this is excessive and should not be done. And Allah knows best. End quote.

And Allah knows best.

See [in Arabic] the essays Du‘aa’ al-Qunoot by Shaykh Bakr ibn ‘Abdullah Abu Zayd; ‘Oodu ila Khayr al-Huda by Shaykh Muhammad Ismaa‘eel al-Muqaddim.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 9:06pm On Aug 05, 2013
lanrexlan: Jazakumullah Khairan
@Bolded,I remember a family friend that was given a dua to recite 30,000 times.When reciting it,he ran mad.Thanks to one ustaz that helped him out.

Some of these guys deal with Jinn.. So we have to be careful about them.

Alhamdulilah that he got some help.

May Allah protect us
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by BetaThings: 2:13am On Aug 06, 2013
tbaba1234:

Some of these guys deal with Jinn.. So you have to be careful about them.

Alhamdulilah that he got some help.
Exactly!
Confining oneself to the Qur'an and sunnah dua will not cause that - no matter how long they are repeated
But invoking Jinns (for power etc) will likely bring this outcome
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by tbaba1234: 2:44am On Aug 06, 2013
BetaThings:
Exactly!
Confining oneself to the Qur'an and sunnah dua will not cause that - no matter how long they are repeated
But invoking Jinns (for power etc) will likely bring this outcome

Sometimes people do not even know the meaning of what they are reciting... there might be shirk involved... The best language to say dua is the one you can articulate yourself in, best.. Then memorize the duas in the Quran and Sunnah with understanding...

You do not need any other thing...

When i was in my late teens and just becoming really conscious of Islam, i had an alfa that used to brag about these jinns stuff and how he communicates with them, he will start talking like he knows the future etc... I was less patient then and used to get so angry with him... These guys do not know the consequences of what they do. Unfortunately, he had some clout in the community and people invite him to pray etc. He used to teach me to recite the Quran.

I was really rude to him when i found about some of these things, even stopped greeting him. May Allah forgive me.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by lanrexlan(m): 5:21am On Aug 06, 2013
tbaba1234:

Sometimes people do not even know the meaning of what they are reciting... there might be shirk involved... The best language to say dua is the one you can articulate yourself in, best.. Then memorize the duas in the Quran and Sunnah with understanding...

You do not need any other thing...

When i was in my late teens and just becoming really conscious of Islam, i had an alfa that used to brag about these jinns stuff and how he communicates with them, he will start talking like he knows the future etc... I was less patient then and used to get so angry with him... These guys do not know the consequences of what they do. Unfortunately, he had some clout in the community and people invite him to pray etc. He used to teach me to recite the Quran.

I was really rude to him when i found about some of these things, even stopped greeting him. May Allah forgive me.
Yeah,the brother didn't know the meaning of what he was saying.He was given the dua in order to pass his exams and ameen to your prayer.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by busar(m): 5:35am On Aug 06, 2013
lanrexlan: Yeah,the brother didn't know the meaning of what he was saying.He was given the dua in order to pass his exams and ameen to your prayer.
Even some of these prayer books contain dua that are neither from the Quran nor the Sunnah.Lest i forget it did he finally psss his exams?
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by lanrexlan(m): 5:39am On Aug 06, 2013
busar: Even some of these prayer books contain dua that are neither from the Quran nor the Sunnah.Lest i forget it did he finally psss his exams?
Yeah,he managed to have Credits in some courses,but had some carryovers sha.
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by BetaThings: 7:34am On Aug 07, 2013
tbaba1234:

Sometimes people do not even know the meaning of what they are reciting... there might be shirk involved... The best language to say dua is the one you can articulate yourself in, best.. Then memorize the duas in the Quran and Sunnah with understanding...

You do not need any other thing...

When i was in my late teens and just becoming really conscious of Islam, i had an alfa that used to brag about these jinns stuff and how he communicates with them, he will start talking like he knows the future etc... I was less patient then and used to get so angry with him... These guys do not know the consequences of what they do. Unfortunately, he had some clout in the community and people invite him to pray etc. He used to teach me to recite the Quran.

I was really rude to him when i found about some of these things, even stopped greeting him. May Allah forgive me.
Your parents would be really have been worried that you were rude to him
Most of these guys have established a fearsome reputation - they talk to Jinns etc - So nobody really wants to cross them
If your parents knew, they would perhaps have dragged you to his place to apologise

Some of these guys are very proud of their association with Jinns
I once heard one say that he spent several years at Masjid Jinn in Saudi Arabia
Implying that he was intimate with them and can get them to do stuff. They readily cite the example of Prophet Sulaiman
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by BetaThings: 7:45am On Aug 07, 2013
deols:

I use a divided one and the dua' is after each of the booklets.

Lemme smile now smiley smiley


I asked the question because I am not sure that it is the same as the khutbah(not sure if this is the term used) that many alfas recite.

I remember that when I was young, our then ustadh would recite khutbah of suratul yaasin anytime we recited it(it was a friday ritual). Each surah or the commonly recites ones like mulk and khaf have theirs too(i guess).

During nikkah, some alfas recite one as well that is meant to be for the couple..they say something like, a prayer for their barakah.

I have however never read authentic narrations on them. Hence my question.

Anyone with enough info on them should pls share.
The Imams use those "khutbahs" to make money
They promise to bring down Surah Yasin, Mulk, Waqiah etc as if they are revealing those surahs afresh
Then they must slaughter something
Then they make khutbah after the recitation. The khutbahs are improvised - they could b a combination of some dua from the Qur'an and ahadeeth. They have no problem with weak ahadeeth
However most printed Qur'an have a dua khatam l Quran at the end
We are encouraged to recite the Qur'an and ask Allah by it
hence such dua are useful
But nothing is better than the dua from the sunnah of the Prophet (SAW)
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by BetaThings: 7:52am On Aug 07, 2013
tbaba1234:

It is a dua Qunoot (said after witr) so it is not obligatory that it is words of the messenger. You can make any dua you want.

The below is from islam qa:

It is not obligatory for the du’aa’ of Qunoot to be in the words narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) rather it is permissible for the worshipper to say other words or to add to them. Even if he were to recite verses from the Qur’aan that include words of supplication.

This is a video of sheikh sudais saying dua khatmil Quran at the haram... I guess after ramadan since the whole book is recited.

Shayk Sudais makes Qunoot virtually everyday in Ramadan, usually in the last rakah (witr). He does not wait till the completion of the Qur'an

But there is one aspect of it that controversial - the way he does Qunoot is so moving that people always cry along with him - a practice that is strongly discouraged either by Shayk Albanee or one of his students
Still Shayk Sudais has a very long Qunoot that he does at the end of Ramadan (after completing the Qur'an) and I have heard him beseech Allah by referring to the fact that "we have read Your book"

I notice though that most of things I say here have been covered in that post from Islamqa

Thanks for all the explanation
May Allah reward your efforts
Re: Be Careful About Duas/adkhar Not In The Sunnah by deols(f): 8:03am On Aug 07, 2013
@tbaba, I understand the qunoot and the explanation is a good one.

Beta things answered my question on the khutbah recited by the alfas. It doesnt seem like the qunoot explained here.

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