[quote author=debosky]

Christ has no beginning because God has no beginning - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

hisblud:

Ok so you are in agreement that Yashua pre-existed?

hisblud:

No Frosbel has not but always claim to have dealt with issues raised, he comes in, post a little, leaves others to keep speaking, then repeats the steps above... do you take that as a serious discourse on his part?

Secondly, you have failed to take the verses presented in context rather you brought forth some "logical thinking" to help hide your disbelief... so if you have nothing to say, just pass or else take apart the scriptures apart

debosky: @ frosbel

Philippians 2:5-7
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant,being made in human likeness.

Note the word being - not created, not became, but being as in present-continuous. Also note the word taking - taking on a different nature, which is what happened at his birth.

frosbel:
He had the nature of GOD, he could not have been God, there is ONE God, not Two Gods, smh.

So let me ask you a question :

If Jesus pre-existed and had no beginning, then do you at least agree that the Man Jesus had a beginning ?

debosky:

Christ has no beginning because God has no beginning - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Even if we use your preferred-version of 'and what God was, the Word was', we still come to the same conclusion.

frosbel:


In other words you are Lazy

[quote author=debosky]

How can one have the nature of God and not be God? When did he have this nature of God and when did he take on the nature of man?

What is Jesus? Is he God, a 'god', or a man? Asked numerous times, but Frosbel constantly equivocates.

Of course I agree - clearly all human form has a beginning. The verses you posted show that.

hisblud:

Lazy... rather am showing that you should stop being dishonest, claiming you have trashed something when you have not done anything of that nature....

hisblud:

Ok so you are in agreement that Yashua pre-existed?

BERNIMOORE:

yes!

frosbel:

What did he preexist as ?

uboma:

Check the threads on the Religion Section very well and you will see that the trinity doctrine is not new here on Nairaland. It has been thrashed extensively.

I still repeat that i will not engage in any argument with you and co-horts because your minds are already blinded to the scriptural truth. Any further argument will simply be pointless but i still maintain my stand that the trinity doctrine is baseless and unscriptural.

uboma:

Check the threads on the Religion Section very well and you will see that the trinity doctrine is not new here on Nairaland. It has been thrashed extensively.

I still repeat that i will not engage in any argument with you and co-horts because your minds are already blinded to the scriptural truth. Any further argument will simply be pointless but i still maintain my stand that the trinity doctrine is baseless and unscriptural.

frosbel:

as what ?

BERNIMOORE:

frosbel, im sorry, i disagree with you that jesus did not pre-exist, but that discussion will be ironed out maybe you create another thread then i join you there, to avoid distraction here and not neccesarily be at loggerhead with you which may cause the discussion boring,

because i do agree with some good points you do have on the false trinity teaching which is unscriptural!

yes, i will mention the form that jesus pre-existed, and you may not yet agree or convinced, but let us treat that on another tread, i ll join you there! thanks

Can we then infer, in all honesty from the scripture below that we are also GODs

"Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires." - 2 Peter 1:4

When asked this question, Peter called him Messiah and Nathaniel called him Son of God. Furthermore, Satan and the demons called him Son of the most high God.

What does DEBOSKY call him : GOD.

Mate , you are on your own with this heresy.

asadokie:

oh u believe that christ preexisted but u dont agree with the trinitarian dogma? ur brand is a new one i guess. smh.

you r all wasting your time arguing about things u know nothing about. how much sense does it make that one man dies and his blood washes away my sins? someone who Lived thousands of years ago. do yourselves a favor and live the christian life of genuine charity and holiness, not arguing on things u know nothing about, and things that would not affect you rating in the sight of God wether u r right or wrong.

BERNIMOORE: @Hisblud

im posting this to you for the third time,

BERNIMOORE:

malachi 3:1 gave us the hint of what form that jesus pre-existed;


"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even [b]the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in[/b]: behold, he shall come, says the LORD of hosts".

God which is the father rightly reffered to jesus his son jesus as ' messenger of the covenant' note that he is still yet to sent jesus while he was making this pronouncement, yet he reffered to jesus while in heaven as 'my messenger.........shall come'

this shows you that he was not equal with the father!

jesus emptied himself 'by being obedient to go for an errand proposed by the father'(submission)

now when did jesus took the form of a servant? below shows that it was when he was made lower than the angels

hebrew 2:9

King James Bible

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death"....,

Enigma: And what did God the Father call Him?

"O God"! Hebrews 1:8





Good point!

frosbel: ^^^


Start from here - http://www.google.com.ng/search?q=site%3Anairaland.com+++Trinity&sa=Search

debosky:

No we are not - Jesus didn't become 'partaker' of the divine nature due to a promise, just as God did not become a partaker, hence there is no comparison. He has always had a divine nature - the Word that was God.



What did Isaiah call him? Or are those the only references to Jesus in the bible?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6

What did Thomas call him? John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Still equivocating I see.

BERNIMOORE:

[size=14pt]jesus pre-exist as a spirit 'messenger' or 'messenger of covenant' "behold, he shall come" [/size]

Frank4YAHWEH:
Yahshua said the FATHER was GREATER than he, so they can not be equal in that sense.

John 14:28
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
KJV

Phil 2:5-8
5 For let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man.
8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.

Douay-Rheims

hisblud: hmm

Yes another Anti Trinitarian thread, Just finished my work and was thinking of what I should write again that has intrigued me about the Anti Trinitarian stands. Oh I remembered, I was having some discussion with one called frank and one post he made is what I did like to bring up here.

This is his post




And rightly so, Yashua did say this:



Now this is my question to all you anti-trinitarian that don’t believe in the pre-existence of Yashua [are there anti Trinitarian that believe in Yashua’s pre-existence? ], in what FORM was Yashua when He made the above statement, as a Form of God or Form of a Servant?

Using this verse for a start



[size=18pt]Now which is which: FORM OF GOD or FORM OF SERVANT when He made the statement that the Father was greater than Him? [/size]

Thanks

ledafaze:

I can see you are not ready to learn... So its useless telling you anything... If you really want to learn, I expect you to have learnt something from what everyone has been saying and even if you dont understand, i expect you to have reframed ur question. Ure just trying to move people away from the truth of the Gospel and you are nothing but the son of ELYMAS described in Act 13. Get ye behind me!

Un-subscribing from this thread.

Phil 2:5-9

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

KJV

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phil 2:6

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly graspedor retained,
AMP

Phil 2:6

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

Phil 2:6
He was like God in every way,
but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.
Holy Bible: Easy-to-Read Version, Revised Edition, copyright © 1987, 1999, 2005 World Bible Translation Center. All rights reserved.

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.