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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 11:14pm On Sep 04, 2013
i support it whole-heartedly. fork the USA and fork SYRIA. gaddem edom and ishmael THOSE TWO DEMONS ARE IN THE WAY OF THE KINGDOM ON EARTH grin

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by yerimastyle(m): 11:19pm On Sep 04, 2013
Odunharry: dy shud watch well...uk n usa are still considering whether 2 intervene...American soldiers are waitng 4 go ahead 4m Obama.

Russia and China are watching..
I see innocent blood bathe end time has come start selling dose mansions and cars....Gog and magog
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Cypost: 11:20pm On Sep 04, 2013
trolling: abeg no dey watch CNN, cause all you are given is propaganda,remember CNN told you that Iraq had WMD as a reason to invade Iraq,this time around the liar they are giving you is chemical weapon to use to invade Syria and topple Assad's regime, we know the reason why America wants to invade Syria,chemical weapon is just their excuse this time around, false flag operations is what US uses to achieve its diabolical aggression
Ok naa. Na NTA we go dey watch. My question y can't Assad relinquish power to his aid nd run to Russia than continue to massacre his pple. US intervention will lead to more death, can't Assad avert all these. Don't support the killings tho either by Assad or USA

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by NOLONGTIN1(m): 11:28pm On Sep 04, 2013
Horus:

Why this hypocrisy?. America used chemical weapons in Vietnam, and if we follow your "logic" then America has to be punished.
86 million liters of Agent Orange were sprayed on Vietnam


1. In what year did America use chemical weapons on Vietnam??

2. Are you aware that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran? Why didn't you call for them to be punished (now)

3. In what year did the world come together to ban chemical weapons?

The answers to these questions are meant to make you understand there is no America hypocrisy on this,

Research my friend, stop listening to the propaganda feed to you by your Imam. Knowledge is power

After getting the answers to my questions above, I hope you will understand why Assad must be punished! Forget sentiment

Fun Fact : Iran lead by Ayatollah (Iran supreme leader) was the 1st to sign the ban on chemical weapons by the world. You can check his google+ page 4 more info

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 11:55pm On Sep 04, 2013
the goal is to circle/weaken iran..with Syria in chaos Israel has nothing to worry about, iran can't no longer send weapons to Lebanon/Hezbollah through Syria, it has been calculated. Arabs are the most stupid people on earth , their own pass Africans . see sunni and Shiite backstabbing and wishing death to each other yet they belong to the same ethnic group.(iran excluded)

As Africans we don't have any voice . so i'm neutral tho.

Obama is def a jew puppet .see how Kerry is dragging him in another conflict

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 12:03am On Sep 05, 2013
take a look at the middle east now

Egypt =instability

Syria = instability

Lebanon =instability + an actual pro Israel-usa government

Jordania = pro Israel

isrel is winning big time now they have turkey on their side.
the Camel fucker in Saudi Arabia only care about their thrones, they don't give a rat azz about islam or arabs. that's why u see them funding alquaeda and the rebels in Syria. Sunni islam is devilish.
let them kill themselves after all there is a need to reduce the muslim population.
funny fact is all the government/rebels backed by usa-israel are bunch of sunni extremists(oxymoron) ah ah ...Syria is a secular state , Egypt was very tolerant, Libya was tolerant etc

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by hunter21(m): 12:25am On Sep 05, 2013
As anybody seen video clips showing the body of any rebel that died from chemical attack?
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Omotolaaraujo(f): 12:30am On Sep 05, 2013
Syria and all those terrorist, oppressive governments can all go to the devil. What those killers need is killing. There are some Nigerian officials that could use a bullet too. They steal and don't care if millions of people starve. They don't get any mercy from me.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Teeneyo(m): 12:49am On Sep 05, 2013
[color=#000099][/color]nice write up.........underground.........eye opening
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by hammedkola(m): 12:55am On Sep 05, 2013
No
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by 2legit2qwt: 1:13am On Sep 05, 2013
No, too many internal issues going on to be acting as the world's police. Besides, no national interest or anything at stake here to start another war. Same way Iraq was accused of owning weapons of mass destruction.

Let Saudi Arabia/ Arab league help their own or better still, let the UN take this up
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by omenka(m): 1:14am On Sep 05, 2013
Horus: I don't support this aggression from America against Syria, this is going to get messy
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by omenka(m): 1:16am On Sep 05, 2013
Horus: I don't support this aggression from America against Syria, this is going to get messy


I think the US is on point on this call. The consequences of the US standing down after what Asad did to his own people would be more dire. It would give other rogue and beligerent regimes around the world the impetus to deploy such weapons against percieved enemies.

This is gonna be unlike Iraq or Afghanistan. There would be no boots on ground, just ariel strikes at some military infrastructure to reduce Asad's capability.

People like Asad are the reason why I still insist Mubarak is a patriot!! He didn't burn his country just to maintain his grip on power.

I feel people calling for the US not to act are only doing so just to sound politically correct. I mean, why should a whole country burn just for the selfish interest of ONE MAN It simply doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Winners72(m): 1:17am On Sep 05, 2013
thoth:
when ever someone says the truth about america the buffons around will scream Anti-america!! That ploy has been used and abused so much that sometimes i pity people in the third world so much for thier ignorance while they try to sound civilized.
After Americans must have bombed Syria back to 1600s, install their looting puppets, internalize sectarian differences to ensure that nation stays in chaos. Students of history who refere to this period and americans as the destructive constant to the whole equation will recieve the same answer our unenlightened brothers always give us, STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR PROBLEM! I feel really sorry for modern Africa and Nigeria because people who are aware of the way things work already know that the role al -qaeda is playing for the US in Syria is the same role that Boko Haram is planned to play for US in nigeria and west africa.
But you keep applying for american visa lottery every year, yet you hate americans with passion. This is the only reason you can't win.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Winners72(m): 1:17am On Sep 05, 2013
thoth:
when ever someone says the truth about america the buffons around will scream Anti-america!! That ploy has been used and abused so much that sometimes i pity people in the third world so much for thier ignorance while they try to sound civilized.
After Americans must have bombed Syria back to 1600s, install their looting puppets, internalize sectarian differences to ensure that nation stays in chaos. Students of history who refere to this period and americans as the destructive constant to the whole equation will recieve the same answer our unenlightened brothers always give us, STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR PROBLEM! I feel really sorry for modern Africa and Nigeria because people who are aware of the way things work already know that the role al -qaeda is playing for the US in Syria is the same role that Boko Haram is planned to play for US in nigeria and west africa.
But you keep applying for american visa lottery every year, yet you hate americans with passion. This is the only reason you can't win.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by chebeoc(m): 1:17am On Sep 05, 2013
[i][/i][color=#990000][/color][quote author=fewj]Reading through different comments regarding an impending war or should I say an impending U.S invasion of Syria and It sovereignty, Here are some points I think we should all note:

1. This impending invasion is a product of political turmoil, citizens of syria have rejected their government especially their president just like some other Arab nations did recently, why can't president Assad just step down, your own people don't want you anymore, you're imposing yourself on them at the cost of so many lives!!! You definitely do not have their best interest at heart!

2. This crisis didn't start today, its been on for over two years, neither the Assad regime, the U.S., Russia or even China have been able to come up with a reasonable solution and execute it to the later, Russia and China especially so far haven't done anything to mitigate the hardship being faced by Syrians through medical and food aid and anything else, instead they've been making huge profits from it buy selling more weapons to the Assad regime!!! grin

3. I never saw any thread here on Nairaland suggesting a solution to this crisis, or even commensurating with the Syrian people in their time of hardship for the over two years its been on sad

4. I also never saw any thread criticising the U.N. Security council for not doing nearly enough all this time, or even a thread mobilizing an anti Assad or even an Anti civil war rally all this time, now thousands have died! angry

Finally The U.S. is bold enough to initiate a military strike, tongues which have been silent to the death of people's children, parents, their lovers, spouse, uncles and aunties are now wagging. angry

In my opinion, the solution is very simple, Russia which has strong ties with the Assad regime should offer the Syrian president and his cohorts asylum, that would be a major game changer.

[i](If Russia won't, GEJ should set up a joint committee of boko haram and Mend to go and kidnap Assad cheesy cheesy cheesy, Na joke I dey o :-

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by thoth: 1:18am On Sep 05, 2013
Flytefalls:

angry angry Naive?



For you: I do not support war or America. I support coordinated international relief/aid efforts as an 'intervention' for the >4million displaced Syrians who have suffered already. I am talking of food, water, shelter, medicine, restructure funds; basically up-scaling what the UN is already doing. I also inferred (@bolded) that even our humanitarian efforts (as interventions) could result in war in some future place in time- one cannot discount that fact. It was somebody's bright idea to help arm the rebels- we will pay for that. It's best always to stay ph7 neutral to avoid unnecessary future repercussions; but this stance does not bode well to those affected undecided.

We cannot offer security. It is not our place to- this is their civil war. But we can't afford to be seen doing absolutely nothing; which is what many Syrians in the UK are verbalising. Basically what this guy is now saying now that his government have voiced their displeasure at military action: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23942037
When a grown man start talking gibberish as you just did that when things get messed up more, that is if people are silly enough to listen to you. You support intervention but not war, you support Giving food aid and relief as intervention...how does that stop the conflict ?

You did not object USA(which i assume is your country) funding the rebels, No the first to be done is not to stop funding the rebels but to give "Aid" which could mean many things. Although Igbo2011 suggest that you might be naive but after reading your reply to that i believe you are just simply wicked.
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 1:21am On Sep 05, 2013
In whisper"I SEE DEAD PEOPLE" cry
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by thoth: 1:23am On Sep 05, 2013
omenka:

I think the US is on point on this call. The consequences of the US standing down after what Asad did to his own people would be more dire. It would give other rogue and beligerent regimes around the world the impetus to deploy such weapons against percieved enemies.

This is gonna be unlike Iraq or Afghanistan. There would be no boots on ground, just ariel strikes at some military infrastructure to reduce Asad's capability.

People like Asad are the reason why I still insist Mubarak is a patriot!! He didn't burn his country just to maintain his grip on power.

I feel people calling for the US not to act are only doing so just to sound politically correct. I mean, why should a whole country burn just for the selfish interest of ONE MAN It simply doesn't make any sense.

Many credible sources have insisted that the US funded Rebels used chemical weapons on the civilians and not Assad, i still don't understand on what ground you are making this assumption. have you ever talked with a Syrian since this conflict started or you just watch CNN and then form your opinion ?(more like adopt their opinion).

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Horus(m): 1:30am On Sep 05, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSN6xkfwthg

[size=15pt]Syria Intervention: The Beginning End of The American Empire[/size]
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Underground: 1:32am On Sep 05, 2013
[size=14pt]Understanding the Syrian Civil War[/size]
September 3, 2013

With President Obama asking Congress to back a military strike to punish Syria for alleged chemical weapons use, the U.S. is lurching toward a new war. Beyond doubts about what happened and whether a U.S. missile attack will help, there is scant public understanding of the Syrian conflict, notes Mideast expert William R. Polk.

By William R. Polk

Probably like you, I have spent many hours this last week trying to put together the scraps of information reported in the media about the horrible attack with chemical weapons on a suburb of Damascus on Aug. 21. Despite the jump to conclusions by reporters, commentators and government officials, I find as of this writing that the events are still unclear.

Worse, the bits and pieces we have been told are often out of context and usually have not been subjected either to verification or logical analysis. So I ask you to join me in thinking them through to try to get a complete picture on what has happened, is now happening and about to happen. I apologize for both the length of this analysis and its detail, but the issue is so important to all of us that it must be approached with care.

A scene of destruction after an aerial bombing in Azaz, Syria, Aug. 16, 2012. (U.S. government photo)

Because, as you will see, this is germane in examining the evidence, I should tell you that during my years as a member of the Policy Planning Council, I was “cleared” for all the information the U.S. Government had on weapons of mass destruction, including poison gas, and for what was then called “Special Intelligence,” that is, telecommunications interception and code breaking.

I will try to put in context 1) what actually happened; 2) what has been reported; 3) who has told us what we think we know; 4) who are the possible culprits and what would be their motivations; 5) who are the insurgents? 6) what is the context in which the attack took place; 7) what are chemical weapons and who has used them; cool what the law on the use of chemical weapons holds; 9) pro and con on attack; 10) the role of the UN; 11) what is likely to happen now; 12) what would be the probable consequences of an attack and (13) what could we possibly gain from an attack.



1: What Actually Happened

On Wednesday, Aug. 21 canisters of gas opened in several suburbs of the Syrian capital Damascus and within a short time approximately a thousand people were dead. That is the only indisputable fact we know (although even here the estimates of the number of victims have varied widely).

2: What Has Been Reported

Drawing primarily on Western government and Israeli sources, the media has reported that canisters of what is believed to be the lethal nerve gas Sarin were delivered by surface-to-surface rockets to a number of locations in territory disputed by the Syrian government and insurgents. The locations were first reported to be to the southwest, about 10 miles from the center of Damascus, and later reported also to be to the east of the city in other suburbs.

3: Who Told Us What We Think We Know

A UN inspection team that visited the site of the massacre on Monday, Aug. 26, almost 5 days after the event. Why was the inspection so late? As a spokesman for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon pointed out (Gareth Porter in IPS, Aug. 27), the request to the Syrian government to authorize an inspection was not made until Aug. 24 and was granted the next day. In any event, according to the spokesman, the delay was not of fundamental importance because “Sarin can be detected for up to months after its use.”

What was the American government position on inspection? Secretary of State John Kerry initially demanded that the Syrian government make access to the suspected site or sites possible. Then the U.S. government charged that the Syrian government purposefully delayed permission so that such evidence as existed might be “corrupted” or destroyed.

On the basis of this charge, Kerry reversed his position and urged UN Secretary General Ban to stop the inquiry. According to The Wall Street Journal of Aug. 26, Secretary Kerry told Mr. Ban that “the inspection mission was pointless and no longer safe…” To emphasize the American position, according to the same Wall Street Journal report, “Administration officials made clear Mr. Obama would make his decision based on the U.S. assessment and not the findings brought back by the U.N. inspectors.”

IPS’s Gareth Porter concluded after talks with chemical weapons experts and government officials that “The administration’s effort to discredit the investigation recalls the George W. Bush administration’s rejection of the position of U.N. inspectors in 2002 after they found no evidence of any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the administration’s refusal to give inspectors more time to fully rule out the existence of an active Iraqi WMD program. In both cases, the administration had made up its mind to go to war and wanted no information that could contradict that policy to arise.” Is this a fair assessment?

Why was the first UN inspection so limited? The only publicly known reason is that it came under sniper fire while on the way to the first identified site. Who fired on it or for what reason are, as of this writing, unknown. The area was contested by one or more rebel groups and under only limited or sporadic control by the Syrian government.

Indeed, as photographs published by The New York Times on Aug. 29, show the UN inspectors in one area (Zamaka) guarded by armed men identified as “rebel fighters.” So the sniper could have been almost anyone.

How limited was the first phase of inspection? According to a report in The Guardian (Aug. 26, 2013), the small team of UN Inspectors investigating the poison gas attack in Syria spent only an hour and a half at the site. So far, we have not been given any report by the UN team, but the doctor in charge of the local hospital was apparently surprised by how brief and limited was their investigation.

According to The Guardian reporter, he said, “The committee did not visit any house in the district. We asked the committee to exhume the bodies for checking them. But they refused. They say that there was no need to do that. We had prepared samples for the committee from some bodies and video documentation. There were urine and blood samples as well as clothes. But they refused to take them.

“After an hour and a half, they got an order from the regime to leave ASAP. The security force told the committee if they did not leave now, they could not guarantee their security. They could not visit the main six sites where the chemical rockets had fallen and lots of people were killed.”

Why did the investigators not do a more thorough job? The doctor at the site told the Guardian reporter that the Assad regime warned the investigators that they should leave because it could not guarantee their safety but the newspaper’s headline says that the Syrian government authorities ordered them out. Which is true? Is there another explanation?

And why did the inspection team not have the means to retrieve parts of the delivery equipment, presumably rockets? Were they told by the UN or other authorities not to retrieve them or were they refused permission by the Syrian government? We simply do not know.

To say the least, the inspection was incomplete. The best that the State Department spokesman could say about such evidence as was gathered is that there is “’little doubt’ [Vice President Biden later raised the certainty from the same limited evidence to “no doubt”] that forces loyal to Mr. Assad were responsible for using the chemical weapons.” [“’Little Doubt’ Syria Gassed Opposition,” The Wall Street Journal, Aug. 26, 2013]

Much was made of the belief that the gas had been delivered by rocket. However, The New York Times reported on Aug. 27, “Evidence from videos and witnesses suggested that the toxic substances in last week’s attack were delivered by improvised tube-launched missiles.” Would the regular army’s chemical warfare command have used “homemade” rockets? That report seemed to point to some faction within the opposition rather than to the government.

Several days into the crisis, we were given a different source of information, from Israel. For many years, Israel is known to have directed a major communications effort against Syria. Its program, known as Unit 8200, is Mossad’s equivalent of NSA. It chose to share what it claimed was a key intercept with outsiders.

First, a former officer told the German news magazine Focus (according to The Guardian, Aug. 28, 2013) that Israel had intercepted a conversation between Syrian officers discussing the attack. The same Information was given to Israeli press (see “American Operation, Israeli Intelligence” in the Aug. 27 Yediot Ahronoth,)

Israel also shared this information with the American government. Three Israeli senior officers were reported to have been sent to Washington to brief National Security Advisor Susan Rice. What was said was picked up by some observers.

Foreign Policy magazine reported (Aug. 28, “Intercepted Calls Prove Syrian Army Used Nerve Gas, U.S. Spies Say”) that “in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Minister of Defense exchanged what Israeli intelligence described as ‘panicked phone calls’ with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answer for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people.”

But, as more information emerged, doubts began to be expressed. As Kimberly Dozier and Matt Apuzzo reported for the Associated Press in an Aug. 29 article entitled, “AP sources: Intelligence on weapons no ‘slam dunk,.’” – according to a senior U.S. intelligence official, the intercept “discussing the strike was among low level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack to an Assad insider or even a senior commander.”

Reminding his readers of the famous saying by the then head of the CIA, George Tenet, in 2002 that the intelligence against Saddam Hussein was a “slam dunk,” when in fact it was completely erroneous, the AP correspondent warned that the Syrian attack of last week “could be tied to al-Qaida-backed rebels later.”

Two things should be borne in mind on these reports: the first is that Israel has had a long-standing goal of the break-up or weakening of Syria which is the last remaining firmly anti-Israeli Arab state. (The rationale behind this policy was laid out by Edward Luttwak in the OpEd section of the Aug. 24, 2013 New York Times). It also explains why Israel actively had sought “regime change” in Iraq.

The second consideration is that Israeli intelligence has also been known to fabricate intercepts as, for example, it did during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. So, unless or until more conclusive evidence is available, the request by Mr. Ban (“U.N. seeks more time for its inspectors,” International Herald Tribune, Aug. 29, 2013) for more time appears to be prudent.

Despite what Messrs Biden and Kerry have said, I believe a court would conclude that the case against the Syrian government was “not proven.”

4: Who Are the Possible Culprits and What Would be Their Motivations?

Since such information as we have is sketchy and questionable, we should seek to understand motives. As a historian, dealing as one always does with incomplete information, I have made it a rule when trying to get at the “truth” in any contentious issue to ask a series of questions among which are who benefits from a given action and what would I have done in a given situation? Look briefly at what we think we now know in light of these questions:

First, who gains by the action. I do not see what Assad could have gained from this gas attack. It is evident that while the area in which it took place is generally held to be “disputed” territory, the government was able to arrange for the UN inspection team to visit it but not, apparently, to guarantee the team’s safety there. If Assad were to initiate an attack, it would be more logical for him to pick a target under the control of the rebels.

Second, to have taken the enormous risk of retaliation or at least loss of support by some of his allies (notably the Russians) by using this horrible weapon, he must have thought of it either as a last-ditch stand or as a knockout blow to the insurgents. Neither appears to have been the case.

Reports in recent weeks suggest that the Syrian government was making significant gains against the rebels. No observer has suggested that its forces were losing. All indications are that the government’s command-and-control system not only remains intact but that it still includes among its senior commanders and private soldiers a high proportion of Sunni Muslims.

Were the regime in decline, it would presumably have purged those whose loyalties were becoming suspect (i.e. the Sunni Muslims) or they would have bolted for cover. Neither has happened.

Moreover, if it decided to make such an attack, I should have thought that it would have aimed at storage facilities, communications links, arms depots or places where commanders congregated. The suburbs of Damascus offered none of these opportunities for a significant, much less a knockout, blow.

Third, as students of guerrilla warfare have learned guerrillas are dispersed but civilians are concentrated. So weapons of mass destruction are more likely to create hostility to the user than harm to the opponent. The chronology of the Syrian civil war shows that the government must be aware of this lesson as it has generally held back its regular troops (which were trained and armed to fight foreign invasion) and fought its opponents with relatively small paramilitary groups backed up by air bombardment.

Thus, a review of the fighting over the last two years suggests that its military commanders would not have seen a massive gas attack either as a “game changer” or an option valuable enough to outweigh the likely costs.

So, what about the enemies of the Assad regime? How might such an attack have been to their advantage?

First, a terrorizing attack might have been thought advantageous because of the effect on people who are either supporting the regime or are passive. There are indications, for example, that large numbers of Palestinian refugees are pouring out of their camps in yet another “displacement.” The number of Syrian refugees is also increasing.

Terror is a powerful weapon and historically and everywhere was often used. Whoever initiated the attack might have thought, like those who initiated the attack on Guernica, the bombing of Rotterdam and the Blitz of London, that the population would be so terrorized that they might give up or at least cower. Then as food shortages and disease spread, the economy would falter. Thus the regime might collapse.

That is speculative, but the second benefit to the rebels of an attack is precisely what has happened: given the propensity to believe everything evil about the Assad regime, daily emphasized by the foreign media, a consensus, at least in America, has been achieved is that it must have been complicit. This consensus should make it possible for outside powers to take action against the regime and join in giving the insurgents money, arms and training.

We know that the conservative Arab states, the United States, other Western powers and perhaps Israel have given assistance to the rebels for the last two years, but the outside aid has not been on a scale sufficient to enable them to defeat the government. They would need much more and probably would also need foreign military intervention as happened in Libya in April 2011 to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi.

The rebels must have pondered that situation. We know that foreign military planners have. (See “Military Intervention in Syria” Wikileaks reprinted on Aug. 25, 2013, memorandum of a meeting in the Pentagon in 2011.) Chillingly, the just cited Wikileaks memorandum notes that the assembled military and intelligence officers “don’t believe air intervention would happen unless there was enough media attention on a massacre, like the Ghadafi move against Benghazi.” (See Time, March 17, 2011.)

As in Libya, evidence of an ugly suppression of inhabitants in Syria might justify and lead to foreign military intervention.

Clearly, Assad had much to lose and his enemies had much to gain. That conclusion does not prove who did it, but it should give us pause to find conclusive evidence which we do not now have.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Underground: 1:33am On Sep 05, 2013
5: Who are the insurgents?

We know little about them, but what we do know is that they are divided into hundreds – some say as many as 1,200 — of small, largely independent groups. And we know that the groups range across the spectrum from those who think of themselves as members of the dispersed, not-centrally-governed but ideologically-driven association we call al-Qaida, through a variety of more conservative Muslims, to gatherings of angry, frightened or dissatisfied young men who are out of work and hungry, to black marketeers who are trading in the tools of war, to what we have learned to call in Afghanistan and elsewhere “warlords.”

Each group marches to its own drumbeat and many are as much opposed to other insurgents as to the government; some are secular while others are jihadists; some are devout while others are opportunists; many are Syrians but several thousand are foreigners from all over the Middle East, Europe, Africa and Asia.

Recognition of the range of motivations, loyalties and aims is what, allegedly, has caused President Obama to hold back overt lethal-weapons assistance although it did not stop him from having the CIA and contractors covertly arm and train insurgents in Jordan and other places.

The main rebel armed force is known as the Free Syrian Army. It was formed in the summer of 2011 by deserters from the regular army. Similar to other rebel armies (for example the “external” army of the Provisional Algerian Government in its campaign against the French and various “armies” that fought the Russians in Afghanistan) its commanders and logistical cadres are outside of Syria. Its influence over the actual combatants inside of Syria derives from its ability to allocate money and arms and shared objectives; it does not command them.

So far as is known, the combatants are autonomous. Some of these groups have become successful guerrillas and have not only killed several thousand government soldiers and paramilitaries but have seized large parts of the country and disrupted activities or destroyed property in others.

In competition with the Free Syrian Army is an Islamicist group known as Jabhat an-Nusra (roughly “sources of aid”) which is considered to be a terrorist organization by the United States. It is much more active and violent than groups associated with the Free Syrian Army. It is determined to convert Syria totally into an Islamic state under Sharia law. Public statements attributed to some of its leaders threaten a blood bath of Alawis and Christians after it achieves the fall of the Assad regime.

Unlike the Free Syrian Army it is a highly centralized force and its 5,000 to 10,000 guerrillas have been able to engage in large-scale and coordinated operations.

Of uncertain and apparently shifting relations with Jabhat an-Nusra, are groups that seem to be increasing in size who think of themselves as members of al-Qaida. They seem to be playing an increasing role in the underground and vie for influence and power with the Muslim Brotherhood and the dozens of other opposition groups.

Illustrating the complexity of the line-up of rebel forces, Kurdish separatists are seeking to use the war to promote their desire either to unite with other Kurdish groups in Turkey and/or Iraq or to achieve a larger degree of autonomy. (See Harald Doornbos and Jenan Moussa, “The Civil War Within Syria’s Civil War,” Foreign Policy, Aug. 28, 2013). They are struggling against both the other opposition groups and against the government, and they too would presumably welcome a collapse of the government that would lead to the division of the country into ethnic-religious mini-states.

It seems reasonable to imagine that at least some and perhaps all of these diverse groups must be looking for action (such as a dramatic strike against the regime) that would tip the scale of military capacity. Listening to the world media and to the intelligence agents who circulate among them, they must hope that an ugly and large-scale event caused by or identified with the government might accomplish what they have so far been unable to do.

6: What Is the Context in Which the Attack Took Place?

Syria is and has always been a complex society, composed of clusters of ancient colonies. Generally speaking, throughout history they have lived adjacent to one another rather than mixing in shared locations.

The population before the outbreak of the war was roughly (in rounded numbers) 6 in 10 were Sunni Muslim, 1 in 7 Christian, 1 in 8 Alawi (an ethnic off-shoot of Shia Islam), 1 in 10 Kurdish Muslim, smaller groups of Druze and Ismailis (both off-shoots of Shia Islam) and a scattering of others.

Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.

In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75 percent. And generally as much as 85 percent of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria’s farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 million and 3 million of Syria’s 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to “extreme poverty.”

The domestic Syrian refugees immediately found that they had to compete not only with one another for scarce food, water and jobs, but also with the already existing foreign refugee population. Syria already was a refuge for quarter of a million Palestinians and about 100,000 people who had fled the war and occupation of Iraq. Formerly prosperous farmers were lucky to get jobs as hawkers or street sweepers. And in the desperation of the times, hostilities erupted among groups that were competing just to survive.

Survival was the key issue. The senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) representative in Syria turned to the USAID program for help. Terming the situation “a perfect storm,” in November 2008 he warned that Syria faced “social destruction.” He noted that the Syrian Minister of Agriculture had “stated publicly that [the] economic and social fallout from the drought was ‘beyond our capacity as a country to deal with.’”

But, his appeal fell on deaf ears: the USAID director commented that “we question whether limited USG resources should be directed toward this appeal at this time.” (reported on Nov. 26, 2008 in cable 08DAMASCUS847_a to Washington and leaked to Wikileaks )

Whether or not this was a wise decision, we now know that the Syrian government made the situation much worse by its next action. Lured by the high price of wheat on the world market, it sold its reserves. In 2006, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, it sold 1,500,000 metric tons or twice as much as in the previous year. The next year it had little left to export; in 2008 and for the rest of the drought years it had to import enough wheat to keep its citizens alive.

So tens of thousands of frightened, angry, hungry and impoverished former farmers constituted a “tinder” that was ready to catch fire. The spark was struck on March 15, 2011, when a relatively small group gathered in the town of Daraa to protest against government failure to help them. Instead of meeting with the protesters and at least hearing their complaints, the government cracked down on them as subversives.

The Assads, who have ruled the country since 1971, were not known for political openness or popular sensitivity. And their action backfired. Riots broke out all over the country. As they did, the Assads attempted to quell them with military force. They failed to do so and, as outside help – money from the Gulf states and Muslim “freedom fighters” from the rest of the world – poured into the country, the government lost control over 30 percent of the country’s rural areas and perhaps half of its population.

By the spring of 2013, according to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), upwards of 100,000 people had been killed in the fighting, perhaps 2 million have lost their homes and upwards of 2 million have fled abroad. Additionally, vast amounts of infrastructure, virtually whole cities like Aleppo, have been destroyed.

Despite these tragic losses, the war is now thought to be stalemated: the government cannot be destroyed and the rebels cannot be defeated. The reasons are not only military: they are partly economic — there is little to which the rebels could return; partly political – the government has managed to retain the loyalty of a large part of the majority Muslim community which comprises the bulk of its army and civil service whereas the rebels, as I have mentioned, are fractured into many mutually hostile groups; and partly administrative — by and large the government’s structure has held together and functions satisfactorily whereas the rebels have no single government.

7: What are Chemical Weapons and Who Has Used Them?

When I was a member of the State Department’s Policy Planning Council in the Kennedy administration and was “cleared” for all information on weapons of mass destruction, I was given a detailed briefing at Fort Meade on the American poison gas program. I was so revolted by what I learned that I wrote President Kennedy a memorandum arguing that we must absolutely end the program and agree never to use it. Subsequently, the United States is said to have destroyed 90 percent of its chemical weapons.

My feelings aside, use of chemical weapons has been common. As ex-Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Indiana, the former head of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs and later president of the Woodrow Wilson Center, told me, his experience was that when a weapon was available, the temptation to use it was almost irresistible. History bears him out.

While most people were horror-stricken by the use of gas in World War I, governments continued to use it. In times of severe stress, it became acceptable. As Winston Churchill wrote, use “was simply a question of fashion changing as it does between long and short skirts for women.” Well, perhaps not quite, but having begun to use gas in the World War I, when about 100,000 people were killed by it, use continued.

After the war, the British, strongly urged by Churchill, then Colonial Secretary, used combinations of mustard gas, chlorine and other gases against tribesmen in Iraq in the 1920s. As Churchill said, “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.”

In the same spirit, the Spaniards used gas against the Moroccan Rif Berbers in the late 1920s; the Italians used it against Ethiopians in the 1930s; and the Japanese used it against the Chinese in the 1940s. Churchill again: during the Second World War, he wrote that if the Blitz threatened to work against England, he “may certainly have to ask you [his senior military staff] to support me in using poison gas. We could drench the cities of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany…”

More recently in 1962, I was told by the then chief of the CIA’s Middle Eastern covert action office, James Critichfield, that the Egyptians had used lethal concentrations of tear gas in their campaign against royalist guerrillas in Yemen.

America used various chemical agents including white phosphorus in Vietnam (where it was known as “Willie Pete”) and in Fallujah (Iraq) in 2005. We encouraged or at least did not object to the use of chemical agents, although we later blamed him for so doing, by Saddam Hussein. Just revealed documents show that the Reagan administration knew of the Iraqi use in the Iraq-Iran war of the same poison gas (Sarin) as was apparently used a few days ago in Syria and Tabun (also a nerve gas).

According to the U.S. military attaché working with the Iraqi army at the time, the U.S. government either turned a blind eye or approved its use (see the summary of the documents in Shane Harris and Matthew Aid, “Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran,” Foreign Policy, Aug. 26, 2013)

We were horrified when Saddam Hussein used poison gas against the Kurdish villagers of Halabja in 1988 (killing perhaps 4,000 to 5,000 people) but by that time we had dropped our support for the Iraqi government. Finally, Israel is believed to have used poison gas in Lebanon and certainly used white phosphorus in Gaza in 2008.

I cite this history not to justify the use of gas – I agree with Secretary Kerry that use of gas is a “moral obscenity” — but to show that its use is by no means uncommon. It is stockpiled by most states in huge quantities and is constantly being produced in special factories almost everywhere despite having been legally banned since the Geneva Protocol of June 17, 1925.
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Underground: 1:33am On Sep 05, 2013
8: What Is Current Law on the Use of Chemical Weapons?

Use, production and storage of such weapons was again banned in the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention (to which Syria it not a party). But nearly all the signatories to that convention reserved the right legally to use such weapons if the weapons had been used against them (i.e. no first strike).

The Convention, unfortunately, contains no provision banning the use of weapons, as Saddam certainly did and as Assad is accused of doing, in civil war. My understanding of the current law, as set out in the 1993 Convention, is that the United States and the other NATO members are legally entitled to take military action only when we – not their citizens — are actually threatened by overt military attack with chemical weapons.

9: Pro and Con on Attack

Putting the legal issue aside, there is precedent for military action over chemical weapons. A part of the rationale for the 2003 U.S. attack on Iraq was the charge that Iraq had or was developing weapons of mass destruction including poison gas which it planned to use against us. This was the essence of Secretary of State Collin Powell’s presentation to the United Nations Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003.

Powell then realized that there was no evidence to back up his charge (and it was later shown to be false), but that did not stop or even delay the attack. The determination to attack had already been made, regardless of evidence. An attack was undoubtedly then generally approved by the American public and its elected representatives. They, and our NATO allies, concluded on the basis of what the second Bush administration told them that there was a threat and, therefore, that action was not only necessary for defense but also legal. It is the memory of this grave misleading of the public that haunts at least some government officials and elected representatives today.

Memory of the Iraqi deception and the subsequent disaster is apparently responsible for the Parliamentary rejection last week of British Prime Minister David Cameron’s announced plan to take military action against the Syrian government.

“The vote was also a set back for Mr. Obama, who, having given up hope of getting United Nations Security Council authorization for the strike, is struggling to assemble a coalition of allies against Syria. … But administration officials made clear that eroding support would not deter Mr. Obama in deciding to go ahead with a strike.” (“Obama Set for Limited Strike on Syria as British Vote No,” The New York Times, Aug. 29, 2013)

The New York Times editorial board essentially joined with the British Parliament in arguing that “Despite the pumped-up threats and quickening military preparations, President Obama has yet to make a convincing legal or strategic case for military action against Syria.” (Editorial of Aug. 28, 2013)

As he often so eloquently does, President Obama said on Aug. 23, “what I think the American people also expect me to do as president is to think through what we do from the perspective of, what is in our long-term national interests? … Sometimes what we’ve seen is that folks will call for immediate action, jumping into stuff, that does not turn out well, gets us mired in very difficult situations, can result in us being drawn into very expensive, difficult, costly interventions that actually breed more resentment in the region.”

However, his actions, as unfortunately also is typical of him, do not seem to mesh with his words.

Meanwhile, at the United Nations, Secretary General Ban urged the European heads of state and President Obama to “Give peace a chance…give diplomacy a chance.” There also has been a steady outpouring of informed non-governmental opposition to an attack, even from members of Prime Minister Cameron’s Conservative party.

Sir Andrew Green, the former British ambassador called it “poor foolishness. … It beggars belief that we appear to be considering an armed attack on Syria with no clear purpose and no achievable objective.” [See “Blundering into war in Syria would be pure foolishness,” The English Conservative Party daily, Conservative Home, Aug. 26, 2013.] The opposition Labour Party objected even more strongly to the adventure.

The Russian government was outspoken, too, in opposition. Many Western commentators regarded their opposition as a sort of echo of the Cold War, but the Russians were acutely aware of the danger that their own large (16 percent of their population) and growing Muslim population might be affected by the “forces of extremism in country after country in the Middle East by [the U.S.] forcing or advocating a change in leadership – from Iraq to Libya, Egypt to Syria.” [Steven Lee Myers, “Putin stays quiet as his aides assail the West,” International Herald Tribune, Aug. 29, 2013]

President Obama believed that the Russians would veto the resolution the British had submitted to the Security Council before the English Parliament voted down the Prime Minister’s plan to intervene.

10): What is the role of the United Nations?

Perhaps the most important role of the United Nations has not been in the highly publicized meetings and decisions of the Security Council, but in its specialized agencies, particularly the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) in the attempt to mobilized food aid and the High Commission for Refugees (HCR) in attempting to ameliorate the conditions of the millions of people displaced by the fighting. They have had little to work with.

But it is the UN in its more peace-seeking role that is now in the forefront. Weapons experts from the UN are conducting the investigation of the sites where the victims were killed. There has been, as I mentioned above, an effort to end their work after their initial visit, but the UN Secretary General insisted that they continue for at least two more days.

The British, French and American governments have attempted also to limit the role of the UN to give them more latitude for whatever action they wish to take. Indeed, the U.S. State Department spokesman was quoted as saying that whatever the inspectors reported would make no difference to the decisions of the Western powers. Of course, the Western powers are concerned that whatever proposed action might be laid before the UN Security Council would be vetoed by Russia and perhaps also by China.

11: What is Likely to Happen Now

While President Obama has spoken of caution and taking time to form a coalition, the gossip around the White House (The Wall Street Journal, Aug. 26 and later accounts cited above) suggests that he is moving toward a cruise missile strike to “deter and degrade” the Syrian government even if this has to be a unilateral U.S. action. [See Paul Lewis and Spencer Ackerman, “White House forced to consider unilateral strikes against Assad after British PM unexpectedly loses key motion on intervention,” The Guardian, Aug. 30, 2013.]

The U.S. Navy has moved five cruise-missile-armed destroyers into the Mediterranean off the Syrian coast. Before President Obama agreed on Saturday to seek congressional approval for a military strike against Syria, it appeared that the launching of the missiles was imminent. [See Mark Lander et al, “Obama Set for Limited Strike on Syria as British Vote No,” The New York Times, Aug. 29, 2013] Congress is expected to vote on a use-of-force resolution shortly after returning to session on Sept. 9.

12: What Would Be the Probable Consequences of an Attack?

Retired Marine General Anthony Zinni, who was head of the Central Command when missiles were launched against Iraqi and Afghan targets warned that “The one thing we should learn is that you can’t get a little bit pregnant.” [See Ernesto Londoño and Ed O’Keefe, “imminent U.S. strike on Syria could draw nation into civil war,” The Washington Post, Aug. 28, 2013]

Taking that first step would almost surely lead to other steps that in due course would put American troops on the ground in Syria as a similar process did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Stopping at the first step would be almost impossible as it was in those campaigns. As the former American ambassador to Syria commented, “A couple of cruise missiles are not going to change their way of thinking.”

And, Zinni put it in more pointed terms, “You’ll knee-jerk into the first option, blowing something up, without thinking through what this could lead to.”

Why is this? It is called “mission creep.” When a powerful government takes a step in any direction, the step is almost certain to have long-term consequences. But leaders seldom consider the eventual consequences. What happens? Inevitably, having taken step “A” narrows the options, especially if the other side refuses to capitulate or retaliates. At that point, step “B” often seems the logical thing to do whereas some other, quite different sort of action on a different path, seems inappropriate in the context that step “A” has created.

At the same time, in our highly visual age with the forces of television coming to bear, governments, particularly in societies where public opinion or representation exist, come under pressure to do something as President Obama said in the remarks I have just quoted.

Where lobbies represent sectors of the economy and society with vested interests, the pressure to do something become immense. We have often seen this in American history. One political party stands ready to blame the other for failure to act. And fear of that blame is often persuasive.

Thus, step “C” takes on a life of its own quite apart from what is suggested by a calm analysis of national interest, law or other considerations. And with increasing speed further steps are apt to become almost inevitable and even automatic. If you apply this model to Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, you can see how modest first steps led to eventual massive involvement.

During this time, it is likely that the victims of the attacks or their allies would attempt to strike back. Many observers believe that the Syrian government would be prepared to “absorb” a modest level of attack that stopped after a short period. However, if the attacks were massive and continued, it might be impossible for that government or its close allies, the Iranian and Iraqi governments and the Hizbulllah partisans in Lebanon, to keep quiet.

Thus, both American installations, of which there are scores within missile or aircraft range, might be hit. Israel also might be targeted and if it were, it would surely respond. So the consequences of a spreading, destabilizing war throughout the Middle East and perhaps into South Asia (where Pakistan is furious over American drone attacks) would be a clear and present danger.

Even if this scenario would not play out, it would be almost certain that affected groups or their allies would seek to carry the war back to America in the form of terrorist attacks.

13: So what could we possibly gain from an attack on Syria?

Even if he wanted to, could Assad meet President Obama’s demand that he stop the killing and step down? He could, of course, abdicate, but this would probably not stop the war both because his likely successor would be someone in the inner circle of his regime and because the rebels form no cohesive group. The likely result would be something like what happened after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989, a vicious civil war among competing factions.

No one, of course, can know what would happen next in Syria. My hunch is that Syria, like Afghanistan, would be torn apart not only into large chunks such as the Kurds in the northeast but even neighborhood by neighborhood as in the Iraqi cities. Sunnis would take revenge on Alawis and Christians who would be fighting for their lives. More millions would be driven out of their homes. Food would be desperately short, and disease probably rampant.

If we are worried about a haven for terrorists or drug traffickers, Syria would be hard to beat. And if we are concerned about a sinkhole for American treasure, Syria would compete well with Iraq and Afghanistan. It would probably be difficult or even impossible to avoid “boots on the ground” there. So we are talking about casualties, wounded people, and perhaps wastage of another several trillion dollars which we don’t have to spend and which, if we had, we need to use in our own country for better heath, education, creation of jobs and rebuilding of our infrastructure.

Finally, if the missile attacks do succeed in “degrading” the Syrian government, it may read the signs as indicating that fighting the war is acceptable so long as chemical weapons are not employed. They may regard it as a sort of license to go ahead in this wasting war.

Thus, the action will have accomplished little. As General Zinni points out, America will likely find itself saddled with another long-term, very expensive and perhaps unwinnable war. We need to remind ourselves what Afghanistan did – bankrupting the Soviet Union – and what Iraq cost us — about 4,500 American dead, over 100,000 wounded, many of whom will never recover, and perhaps $6 trillion.

Can we afford to repeat those mistakes?

William R. Polk is a veteran foreign policy consultant, author and professor who taught Middle Eastern studies at Harvard. President John F. Kennedy appointed Polk to the State Department’s Policy Planning Council where he served during the Cuban Missile Crisis. His books include: Violent Politics: Insurgency and Terrorism; Understanding Iraq; Understanding Iran; Personal History: Living in Interesting Times; Distant Thunder: Reflections on the Dangers of Our Times; and Humpty Dumpty: The Fate of Regime Change (forthcoming).
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 1:37am On Sep 05, 2013
Nigeria sending military to stop Russia and USA from fighting. angry God bless Naija. undecided Oya Lets go grin

Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 1:38am On Sep 05, 2013
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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Nobody: 1:40am On Sep 05, 2013
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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by thoth: 1:55am On Sep 05, 2013
fewj: Reading through different comments regarding an impending war or should I say an impending U.S invasion of Syria and It sovereignty, Here are some points I think we should all note:

1. This impending invasion is a product of political turmoil, citizens of syria have rejected their government especially their president just like some other Arab nations did recently, why can't president Assad just step down, your own people don't want you anymore, you're imposing yourself on them at the cost of so many lives!!! You definitely do not have their best interest at heart!

You are definitely wrong on that one, The Syrians has never rejected Assad, nor have they ever shown any intent to, the reality on the other hand is the other way round,they embraced him more since the conflict started and this Conflict has united the Syrian people more, American sponsored Islamic extremist which is trying to turn Syria into an Islamic state invaded Syria, majority of fighters are not even Syrian.
It is the same Game that was played in Libya against Gaddafi , recruit foreign fighters then let them invade the target country then prop up some reactionary element and let him speak for the whole country.



2. [size=14pt]This crisis didn't start today, its been on for over two years[/size], neither the Assad regime, the U.S., Russia or even China have been able to come up with a reasonable solution and execute it to the later, Russia and China especially so far haven't done anything to mitigate the hardship being faced by Syrians through medical and food aid and anything else, instead they've been making huge profits from it buy selling more weapons to the Assad regime!!! grin

3. I never saw any thread here on Nairaland suggesting a solution to this crisis, or even commensurating with the Syrian people in their time of hardship for the over two years its been on sad

Another Wrong twist of reality, The truth will remain the Truth for those who sincerely seek it, and the truth is that [size=15pt]Syria has been Battling Western Sponsored Islamic extremism for years[/size], trying to portray it as a systemic problem that has justifiable cause is just plainly wicked or ignorance whichever is your case.

You can't just say "the crisis has been there for years" as a means of justification without shedding more light on the nature of such crisis you mention,that is misleading, Boko Haram has been plaguing Nigerian for years...does that make it an Nigerian aggression against the state ? does that give it any credibility ? if the US starts arming boko Haram tomorrow and then recruit MORE fighters from Nigel,Chad and Mali would you put Nigeria in the same position you are portraying Syria ?
Will you say that Boko Haram is Fighting a Nigerian Cause ?
I am a Nigerian and i will be among the first to execute Boko Haram terrorist if i have the power. So is the Syrian People trying to do and the whole world Supports Assad apart from your likes and the Western War Mongers.


4. I also never saw any thread criticising the U.N. Security council for not doing nearly enough all this time, or even a thread mobilizing an anti Assad or even an Anti civil war rally all this time, now thousands have died! angry

If you say you have not seen people blindly supporting your claim then we can understand, well you should understand that there are intelligent and well informed people out there and not everybody is arrogant as the west.

Why would you be looking for Anti-Assad Thread, why not Anti-Al-Qaeda thread ?
Why would you be looking for Anti-Civil War thread, since when did the Syrian conflict become a civil war, why not look for anti Terrorism thread ?


Finally The U.S. is bold enough to initiate a military strike, tongues which have been silent to the death of people's children, parents, their lovers, spouse, uncles and aunties are now wagging. angry

In my opinion, the solution is very simple, Russia which has strong ties with the Assad regime should offer the Syrian president and his cohorts asylum, that would be a major game changer.

(If Russia won't, GEJ should set up a joint committee of boko haram and Mend to go and kidnap Assad cheesy cheesy cheesy, Na joke I dey o kiss kiss kiss)

The US is bold enough to ignore the UN and murder millions of Iraqi citizens on a lie that Saddam has WMD,US is bold enough to invade Afghanistan when all fingers has been pointing to the US for 9/11. Us has been bold enough to topple democratic governments all over the world and erode cultures and impose hardship on the people.
More than 80% of the world wish that US weren't this bold and we pray that somehow we might be able to put a stop on the Insanity.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by DankemzI(m): 1:58am On Sep 05, 2013
gboss4sure: An attack on syria will lead to retaliations and will escalate to several countries which will lead to WW3. The question am asking myself is are we ready to defend ourselves in Africa if this war broke out because truth be told, they will use Africa for weapon testing ground.

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Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:38am On Sep 05, 2013
Tgirl4real: I support it100%.

Se you don't want the world to end ni. grin

These are prophecies being fulfilled.

Make America attack, Russia retaliate, everything turn to yam-pepper, scatter, scatter. lol


Seriously, if that happens, we are in for a showdown.

"I see the Son of man coming in the cloud of heaven..."


Come Lord Jesus! smiley


Real christian indeed. And your life is so boring which makes you whin like a sour widow over an intelligent analysis of the obvious makes you a fool at what ever age you are.

What has life turn to you? Your husband broke your heart, bankruptcy, depression, unsuccessful or what exactly makes you wanna commit suicide and wish destruction of the world pack of ally dogs?

You and other christian will insult muslims and islam when islamist, terrorist and insurgent attack.....You will bark like b.itch when you hear christianity isn't peace by turning the claim to judaism.

Christianity showing the real color of what it is.....war mongering like judaism and islam. ABRAHAMIC FAITH IS COMPLETE BLOOD SUCKING CULT. Hope you praying for the death of your families and children as you wish for the end.

Afterall, you guys have been praying for end time.......nothing bad cuz your children are involve. Lets wait and see how the game play
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:42am On Sep 05, 2013
Tgirl4real: Oh my! I thought this was in the religion section.


Don't get me wrong Frosbel. Whether U like it or it, this gonna happen cos we are in he endtimes...that doesn't mean I wish for souls to perish. It is prophecies being fulfilled. Scriptures encourages us to watch for the day.

I can only hope the hour of my salvation is near.

I really don't know about you, but I am tired of this crazy world and its godless system.

Come Lord Jesus! cool

old widow wants to join her ill-fate husband. Nobody ready to fvck that your rugged puzzy.

Life not good with ya so kill yourself. End ko,,,,,,,Emp ni
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Legendbaba1(m): 4:00am On Sep 05, 2013
America must fall d end is coming 2 America will shall see
Re: Do You Support The Coming American War Against The Syria Assad Regime by Omero(m): 4:04am On Sep 05, 2013
I will not say mine is support but an argument for the world to intervene so dat d war will end on time @ least for d sake of those who hav died and for d over 2million displaced syrian refuges across neighbouring countries, d argument dat america is a war monger does not hold water kiakia, or dat america is d cos of wars around d world is a big farce cos it was'nt d USA dat caused d recent wave of revolutions across d arab world startin from Tunisia rather it was as result of corrupt n baaaaaad govt, cos wit wat is happening in naija now n if a revo occurs now as widely speculated, we say its d US, or was it d US dat told Mohammed Morsi not to run an all inclusive govt in egypt dat led to d army taking over which has led to d current turnoil in d country? I never supported d iraq/afgan/lybian intervention but one thing is clear, Saddam Hussien used chemical weapons on his people not ones, so like wat happened in syria though not ascertianed dat d govt did, dis WMD could hav been developed on a small scale either as trial or or to test d patience of d world BECAUSE these weapons hav been BAN by d world. d US dont take light d issues of chemical weapon especially afta 9/11 cos dey fear dat their country/citizen will b at d recieving end if dis WMD fall into d wrong hands or they become prolifirated. I sometim fill dis countries play a smart one on d world cos dey tend to destroy any trace of such weapons afta such an attack(very possible). Again am of d opinion dat once d people of a country say dey are tired of particular ruler/dictator, such should quietly leave office for peace sake rather dan plunging d whole country into unecessary war. For goodness sake presdo Bashir Assad has been in power for so long why kill ur own citizens in an unholy war, please bow out when d ovation is still high. So for me d intervention should go ahead for these reasons.
1. so dat d war will end soon n innocent civilians/refugees will return to their homes.
2. every effort (so many) to bring about a peaceful end to d war has failed.
3. d US and its allies did'nt dim it fit to intervene not until dis inhumane attack of 21st august, 2013, @least d war is been on for over 2years now.
4. d US mission/mandate and as approved by congress is for specific n selected targets which will weaken d govt power to continue unleashing terror on its people, cos statistic show dat d govt has killed/destroyed more dan d rebels cos d govt has more sophisticated weapon power wit its constant shelling of rebel positions and d strike will not involve ground troops unlike Iraq/afgan n its for a maximum of 60 days so as not to prolong d war for too long.
5. the aim is not to punish presdo Assad but to deter future occurence of d use of WMD wen 2 groups ar fighting.
6. in as much as d west to a greater extent are arming/supporting d rebels, Russia/China/Iran ar arming/supporting d govt, so we hav divided interest, so I am of d opinion dat a greater force shld be involved once n 4 all to settle d mattet once n 4 all.

7. d US has alot of interest to protect in dat region, remember all most all d arab nations there ar against Israel, to maintain d on going peace nego. btw Israel n palestine, to prevent prolifiration of such weapons in d region, remember Iran's nuclear activities shrudred in mystery till today. remember other terror groups in Yemem, Lebanon, Somalia. etc, etc.
8. Most of d neighbouring countrie(turkey, lebanon, iraq, etc) taking in refugees ar over stretched n if decisive measures ar not taking it may lead to internal crisis in those countries as some of them ar already complaining, and if dis is not checked it might degenerate to a regional crisis.
This is just to mention but a few, as some comments already has it here, dis tins has been predicted in d Bible so dey must surely come 2 fulfilment or as some will say end time is near so dont blame d US or anybody else.. I rest my case 4 now.

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