Syncan:

You really need that therapy abi retreat you are undergoing, please go back to it, your ignorance, hatred and lies are becoming embarrassing.

elampiro:


Expressing the belief that it was important for Christians to engage in "a sincere and rigorous dialogue" with atheists, Francis recalled Scalfari had asked him whether God forgave those "who do not believe and do not seek to believe".

"Given – and this is the fundamental thing – that God's mercy has no limits, if He is approached with a sincere and repentant heart," the pope wrote, "the question for those who do not believe in God is to abide by their own conscience. There is sin, also for those who have no faith, in going against one's conscience. Listening to it and abiding by it means making up one's mind about what is good and evil."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/pope-francis-atheists-abide-consciences

Syncan:








Direct from his/her website, and you're still here lying through your teeth. You really have an agenda here. Just tell me what I lied about, you are downloading a copyrighted material, Its called piracy in truthful circumstances, I guess in yours its just normal business.

Syncan:

The Ignorant is sitting in judgement over the informed: Read your catechism!

"Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths." CCC 1776.

elampiro:

You are so notorious for defending lies and anti-christian teachings.

A Catholic belief is formed by the teaching of Jesus in the gospel, then by the church via the apostles and tradition. A catholic who puts a Pope's individual opinion before the gospel of Jesus and the tradition of the church has to check himself. It becomes more worrisome where the Pope's statements are anitchristian or anticatholic.

Syncan:

Another lie.

I have always defended the Popes speech more with the Catechism of the Catholic church and scripture quotations, you have defended your schism with messages more from your "internet visionary"and bloggers. This is all over the thread for all to see.

elampiro:

You are ignorant.

This does not say people should work with their conscience without Jesus. Stop twisting truth to send people away from accepting Jesus.

elampiro: [b]Freemasons of Italy and Argentina express their joy with the enthronement of Pope Francis
Sunday, 24 March 2013
Two official Masonic statements following Pope Francis' election and enthronement express the joy of the Grand Masters of Argentina and Italy regarding the future changes within the Catholic Church and Vatican. We are talking about Angel Jorge Clavero of the Grand Lodge of Argentina and Gustavo Raffi of the Grand Orient of Italy.

According to the Masonic Press Agency, the Grand Lodge of Argentina officially welcomed the election of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio as the Pope of the Catholic Church and Sovereign of the Vatican. Argentinian Grand Master Angel Jorge Clavero considers that this appointment brought recognition to Argentine nation.



The same source mentions that The Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy expressed his joy regarding the election of Pope Francis. Raffi stated that: "With the election of Pope Francis nothing will ever be the same again."

http://masonictimes..com/2013/03/freemasons-of-italy-and-argentina.html[/b]

I saw and read all of these in March.

6 months later, everything is heading to the direction.

Syncan:

Now he is believing the devil, the father of lies. I fear for you. Another blog.

elampiro: I guess when he said atheist are saved if they they do good, he was not also trying to preach to them? What is then the primary job of a Pope if he is not to call people to Jesus?

I leave you people.

We will meet again in the future. But I have the right to analyse the Pope words any time, just as the cardinals and the rest of the world are doing.

elampiro: [b][/b]

I guess you will call this too the work of the devil.

No smoke without fire. A real humble man would not be disobedient to Pope Benedict as Cardinal Bergoglio did.

Bye for now.

Syncan:

Jumping from Pillar to post each time your lie is refuted and Ignorance exposed, does not help you in any way. I told you from the beginning to pray more, you refused out of pride that you know a lot, you thought you were talking to ignorant people, see where you have landed. You may now take my advise, its never too late. However make sure that the sacrament of reconciliation is the first you run to when you are fully contrite.

elampiro:


Expressing the belief that it was important for Christians to engage in "a sincere and rigorous dialogue" with atheists, Francis recalled Scalfari had asked him whether God forgave those "who do not believe and do not seek to believe".

"Given – and this is the fundamental thing – that God's mercy has no limits, if He is approached with a sincere and repentant heart," the pope wrote, "the question for those who do not believe in God is to abide by their own conscience. There is sin, also for those who have no faith, in going against one's conscience. Listening to it and abiding by it means making up one's mind about what is good and evil."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/pope-francis-atheists-abide-consciences

elampiro:

You talking of another blog again? Na wai for this man. Did you not see where Benedict was reference in his letter about the traditional Mass issue?

Look at who is judging and recommending sacrament of confession for another when you defend antichristian teachings.

When Pope Francis teach anti-gospel again, I will expose more things.

elampiro:

The post quoted a cannon law which clearly states that a heretic Pope loses his papacy immediately he becomes heretic.

No church law prevents me from analysing the Pope's comments. Even individual cardinal have made their own analysis, and nobody has questioned them.


I am to worship Jesus not a Pope, My belief is to be formed by the bible, them my loyalty is to the church, not any man. Afterall there have been bad Popes in history.

elampiro:

You are ignorant.

This does not say people should work with their conscience without Jesus. Stop twisting truth to send people away from accepting Jesus.

elampiro:

You have not defended anything successfully, except that you are trying to help the Pope to be Pope.

The same Pope Francis who refused to follow Benedict's instructions.

elampiro: I guess when he said atheist are saved if they they do good, he was not also trying to preach to them? What is then the primary job of a Pope if he is not to call people to Jesus?

I leave you people.

We will meet again in the future. But I have the right to analyse the Pope words any time, just as the cardinals and the rest of the world are doing.

elampiro: [b][/b]

I guess you will call this too the work of the devil.

No smoke without fire. A real humble man would not be disobedient to Pope Benedict as Cardinal Bergoglio did.

Bye for now.

Ubenedictus: he didn't mention 'salvation' or 'saved'. He never said anybody was saved by following their conscience. He only admonished that the unbeliever should follow his conscience he never said that was a guarantee of salvation.
Again i advise you to read with understanding.

Ubenedictus: where did pope francis say atheist are saved if the do good.?

Ubenedictus: canon law 101 a pope is not bound by the instructions of a previous pope except they are dogmas

Ubenedictus: no the post didn't quote canon law it quoted a saint/theologian and a pope but it didn't quote canon law. It also says that it is wrong for you to judge the pope guilty of heresy because you do not possess that authority.

Church law doesn't prevent you from analising but church law prevents you from accussing the pope of heresy or to assume that he has lost his office that is why not even the cardinal dare to accuse the pope.

Incase you don't know you owe loyalty to the pope

Syncan:


Can't stop laughing now. Do you have itchy lips...sorry...fingers? Thought you said bye earlier, albeit for the second time in this thread. Leaving all the lies I have exposed and seeking straw to clutch on.

Your acts Judge you, for I judge you not.

"schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him". CCC 2089.

elampiro:


Why did he not invite to Jesus Christ?

He said atheist who do good are saved. Then he said they should follow their conscience.

Why is he not preaching Jesus to them?

Ubenedictus: that is exactly what it says, with or without Jesus man must obey his conscience.

Let me ask you, would you advise an atheist to seek God and listen to his conscience or ignore his conscience and seek God.

elampiro:

That is CCC, not Canon law. Canon law and the doctors of the church does not hold that belief. Refer to the article and video I posted earlier.

So are you saying when the Pope teaches antigospel I should obey him?