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Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by pmc01(m): 5:20pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
richP: What a double-faced style of defense, Haba!! Did that stop him from being a Christian? If your answer to the above question is yes, how do we verify a group of people bombing or slaughtering people at periods when they should be in the Mosque to be Muslims? #objectivity is needed! |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Sagamite(m): 5:21pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
deols: EXACTLY! Once you can make that interpretation, then they are aggressors and if you kill the people that voted them in power you are justified. That is not un-Islamic. So these terrorists are just following Islam. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Samunique(m): 5:21pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
richP: let them explain this verses firstThis is one of the fundermental problems Islamic teachers have to deal with. It unbelievable anytime i read this!!! Unbelivable i say it again!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by deols(f): 5:23pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Sagamite: I think you are having an intellectual decline. Something's wrong with you. Probably senile in nature. I didnt say that religion doesnt have a role. I only said ot is MUCH MORE..They play the religion card to get vulnerable Muslim youths into their fold. But I can tell you, there is more. Racial bigotry plays a role too. You may have read somalia12's posts yesterday. He didnt care much about Islam but the invasion of somalia by the Kenyans. It only becomes very comfortable to just conclude, religion. BTw, I wrote a long story enlightening you on the scenarios where Islam allowed fighting. Have you read that? I hope it is helpful. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by creativemusic: 5:26pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by DJDOLA(m): 5:29pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Well am a muslim and I swear wit my life that d quran I read and understand d word in it does not support killing non-muslim I swear...people just kill in d name of what I don't understand....and for u guys dat said islam does not preach love HABA islam do preach love....if islam does not preach love people will not convert 2 d religion dat preach hate na |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by deols(f): 5:30pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Sagamite: Another dumb assertion. what does terrorism mean..from the word terror. If you have terrorised somebody or a people, you are a terrorist. when you fight in Vietnam against many of your people's wish, you have terrorised others and are a terrorist. Senator McCain was said to have killed innocent civilians in Vietnam, I think if true, it makes him a terrorist. If tomorrow, you are found terrorising your neighbourhood, you become another terrorist. You dont have to become it only if you are a Muslim. That is my point. Did that sink? 1 Like |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by pmc01(m): 5:35pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
leggo: Mintayo: It is obvious you both and your likes have intentionally decided to play dumb and sarcastically ignorant. She is asking if all Nigerians, including you two should take responsibility for all the fraud and other related crimes Nigerians commit all over the world? Should we all, as Nigerians continue to victimized by others and remain perpetually apologetic for the criminal acts of fellow Nigerians who we don't even know existed? Face the question and quit the comical sentiments, as simple as that. 3 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Sagamite(m): 5:35pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
deols: And I am telling your retarded self that religion is the driver and motivation for it. Power is just an outcome. Maybe their salad is not sweet enough might play a role but religion is the numero uno of what is happening. Don't ever think at your intellectual level you can derail your God! Only a reetard takes somalia12 seriously. That is as dumb as taking becomerich seriously. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Kinikini: 5:36pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Peace @deols, There is little really you can do to correct fixed mindset especially the stereotyping and the outburst / backlash that comes with these type of terror attacks. All explanations would fall on deaf ears. Well, we can pray to Allah to change the terrorist from their devilish ways. 2 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Sagamite(m): 5:36pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
DJDOLA: Well am a muslim and I swear wit my life that d quran I read and understand d word in it does not support killing non-muslim I swear...people just kill in d name of what I don't understand....and for u guys dat said islam does not preach love HABA islam do preach love....if islam does not preach love people will not convert 2 d religion dat preach hate na You need to start reading the Quran better and understand it. 3 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Sagamite(m): 5:37pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Kinikini: Can you help her answer this then because she is running from this: https://www.nairaland.com/1449766/reactions-westgate-murders-muslim-scholars/2#18314000 |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by philip0906(m): 5:38pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
pmc01:Read this Abu Mikey: [/b] |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by pmc01(m): 5:40pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Abu Mikey: T.Y.G.A [Thank You God Always] You surely can not hold your own in a proper intellectual debate setting, it's wise for you to remain a learning observer in these instances. Please don't leave a trace of you behind as you take your leave. Cheerio! |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by pmc01(m): 5:41pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
philip0906: I have, your point? |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Nobody: 5:43pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
No matter what y'all say, Islam remains a religion of PEACE! To hell with all the terrorist organisations killing in the name of Islam/Allah 1 Like |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by deols(f): 5:45pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Sagamite: Yes. I am saying that there are no justification for a group to carry arms and terrorise innocent people.and you had to ask even after I made it clear? Obviously you are reading without comprehension and arguing only for the sake of it. If you are a sovereign nation and you get attacked, does it make sense to fold your arms and die? think man, think! No. The prophet never ordered the killing of innocent people. There is a hadith of a nation he went to while seeking assylum. the children were made to stone him that he lost his front tooth. Even after that he didnt wish them harm but was hopeful that someday, they would become Muslims. For your last question, you appear like a waste of time and like I have been doing with other dumb posters, I will ignore the dumb question. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by AbuMikey(m): 5:48pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
pmc01: I am Mickey MOUsE. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by cacius: 5:49pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
DJDOLA: Well am a muslim and I swear wit my life that d quran I read and understand d word in it does not support killing non-muslim I swear...people just kill in d name of what I don't understand....and for u guys dat said islam does not preach love HABA islam do preach love....if islam does not preach love people will not convert 2 d religion dat preach hate na If the quran is not against killing non muslims so where did these muslim terrorist gets the idea of killing christians? Let's take a good look at it from Nigeria to the middle east etc. I don't like commenting on such thread that has to do with religion but my advice to fellow christians especially in Nigeria is not to trust any muslim no matter how good and kind they look outwardly because of their fetish and religious bigo.try. When you are offered food or drink by a supposedly good muslim please do not eat or drink because your destiny or glory might just be tempered with. They worship objects in the heavenlies moon, stars, sun etc. This is an advice to the christians out there and please mods don't delete this post because is a true story. That's my 2cents. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Nobody: 5:53pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
deols:But there we all know theres something seriously wrong with the structure of Nigeria. Thats why we all want a restructure! Don't you think its time you admit same here? |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Aifey(m): 5:55pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
US n saudi arabia are behind all d terrorism u see since after 9'11. M23 a terrorist organistion has a cooperat office in washinton. Taliban just opened on oFfice in Quata. For US n its allies, its a big bussiness. We jst discoverd oil in kenya. Nw they will pay wit their blood. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by rman: 5:59pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Sagamite: Case closed. You have intelligently let Deols understand what motivates these savages. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Mintayo(m): 6:00pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Playing the blame game again? Smh. Aifey: US n saudi arabia are behind all d terrorism u see since after 9'11. M23 a terrorist organistion has a cooperat office in washinton. Taliban just opened on oFfice in Quata. |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by kadree(m): 6:02pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
So many av turned demselves into religion e-war soldiers,hoping dr creator(as D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ believe) would consider dis as a move of righteousness n wipe away der sins.I can only laff. D relieve of many is to participate in d bashing of islam,calling it names n downplaying what a lot in d muslim world has done to reject dis inhumane act powered by dis terrorist. Call islam any name,coin it as U̶̲̥̅̊ please,wish negative news abt islam as much as U̶̲̥̅̊ can.We will NEVER EVER backslide.we stand chim like zuma rock. @ deouls n macklatunji n d rest,Remember D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ will never believe U̶̲̥̅̊ untill U̶̲̥̅̊ tell dem jst dat tin D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ will forever want hear abt islam. Salam! 2 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Sissie(f): 6:06pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
NOT ALL TERRORIST ARE MUSLIMS. It's a dumb thing to say ALL terrorist are Muslims. 2 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by deols(f): 6:08pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Kinikini: Thank you jare. wa alaykum salam. I should call it a day now I have to study for my exams. In summary, and in retelling it to the dumb ans the dumbers. I was saying that I condemn these terrorist actions. I condemn them irrespective of who is carryong it out and against whom. whatever is wrong is simply wrong. I am saddened by it and I hate that it keeps many of you from seeing the beauty of Islam . At the same time, not every Muslim should have to suffer for the actions of a few people and no Muslim owes anyone apologies for the actions they did not take part in. May Allah help Suffering Muslims wherever they are, may Allah save innocent people from the actions of terrorists everywhere in the world. May Allah show us his light and keep us firm in His Religion. May Allah help the MuMus out of their mumuness 6 Likes |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by pmc01(m): 6:21pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
Deuteronomy Commentary: So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see, when its in war it okay? Yet when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in war its different, Christians say nooooo. Either way, The Quran does not say kill women and children, I CHALLENGE ANY CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your Bible, one of your greatest prophets killing women and children by God's permission, meaning Jesus allowed it! So hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and so was Moses so according to the Christians own argument, Moses cannot be a prophet since he killed. Note Moses and his army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not one city which was strong enough in the plural sense, hence up to 6 or 7 cities were destroyed with its women and children? What is the Christian response? [b]Deuteronomy [b]Commentary:[/b]Notice the killing spree, scores of cities were raided by Moses and his army by the permission of JESUS, and they killed women and children! What does the Christian have to say to this? [b]Deuteronomy [b]Commentary:[/b]So note, Jesus allows Moses to completely destroy cities and show NO MERCY, NO MERCY AT ALL meaning you can do whatever you want to them. Not only that, Jesus orders Moses and his army to destroy all their images and their places of worship, so much for religous tolerance among Christians. So once again we see Moses killing with NO MERCY as God Jesus ordered, we also see no tolerance of other religions, somethings which Christians rant about Islam! This proves which religion is the in-tolerant one, it is the Christian, their God is in-tolerant to other religions as you see. [b]Deuteronomy Commentary: Once again we the tolerance of the Christian God Jesus. In these passages God says that anyone who worships others Gods wherever they be must be killed. Even if your antartica and you worship some pagan deity you shall be put to death. As the verse says, to the ends of the world, meaning all over the world, so there is no tolerance in the religion. God Jesus orders his followers to stone the ones who dont believe in him, and to kill them, and to destroy the city with the sword and burn it and never rebuild it. The ending ot the paragraph is very interesting, God tells his followers TO KEEP all his commandments which include this one! To kill others who dont believe in him, so hence no religous tolerance. So this rule STILL APPLIES TODAY, because their God said: keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God. Or did God change his mind? The God of the OT does NOT change his mind:
So hence the Christian God doesn't change his mind so this rule still applies today, so Christians are still ordered to kill us! SUBMISSION: If all the Christians who have unreasonably taken human lives rely on the verses above to justify their acts, should we crucify the whole of Christianity for this? |
Re: Reactions To Westgate Murders By Muslim Scholars/imams by Sagamite(m): 6:24pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
pmc01: The point is they are not. So why are Muslims rampantly doing such to justify killing and having no respect for life? I can tell you why, but I would let you answer yourself! |
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