super_sun: I feel very sad each time Islam is coined a 'Religion of Violence'. When in fact it preaches peace. Sometimes I feel the violence is brought forward by poverty which paves way for 'Brain washing' and an eventual radicalism. May the souls of the departed rest in peace.

Which peace does it preach The mallams that preach in the mosques close to my house definitely don't preach peace when they say the bible is fake and speak against paul.

O Allah, help the oppressed across the world

let them explain this verses first
Quran (3:151) - "*Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the
Unbelievers*, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He
had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also
includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what
Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of
this world for the other. *Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he
slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.*" The
martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the
slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to
inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the
theological basis for today's suicide bombers.



Quran (4:76) - *"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"*

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do,
and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from
their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is
forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them
wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from
their ranks."

nbright: How are muslims affected?

There were Muslims in the mall and there are always Muslims killed when these strikes happen.

Also Muslim businesses, etc

deols:

There were Muslims in the mall and there are always Muslims killed when these strikes happen.

Also Muslim businesses, etc

my dear, I'm hapi u heard there were muslims in d hall, but did u also hear dat muslims were escorted out of d hall? After answerin some islamic questions, the muslims were allowed to walk out! They walked out damn it! #B.S! #Hypocrite!

Sagamite:

Their actions are not against the Islamic tenets.

You will find the justification for their actions in the religion. It is just a matter of which side of it you read and the interpretation you choose.

The Quran tells you in one part to do good on an issue and the same Quran in other parts tell you to do bad on similar issue.

These Imams have chosen the good, the terrorist have chosen the bad.

Who is right when the Quran is unquestionable?

The verses are revealed in relation to time and different occurrences. A knowledgeable Muslim knows that.



Anyone interested in getting off ignorance will also take the time to learn and understand that.

Unfortunately, for political reasons, some people have misinterpreted these things and have given the wrong interpretation to them.

Jenams: my dear, I'm hapi u heard there were muslims in d hall, but did u also hear dat muslims were escorted out of d hall? After answerin some islamic question B.S! Hogwosh! I'm pissed! #Hypocrite!

His t.v went dead as the news that muslims were escorted out of the mall was read

deols:

There were Muslims in the mall and there are always Muslims killed when these strikes happen.

Also Muslim businesses, etc

Didn't you read that they escorted all muslims out of the mall before they started killing?

babeface3: what of the verse that says 'kill and be killed for a**lla'. is there anything like that, perhaps the fanatics are abusing such misleading statement.

How about the part that says thou shall not Lie.


LIaR.

deols:

The verses are revealed in relation to time and different occurrences. A knowledgeable Muslim knows that.



Anyone interested in getting off ignorance will also take the time to learn and understand that.

Unfortunately, for political reasons, some people have misinterpreted these things and have given the wrong interpretation to them.

are you telling me you never pray for a Nigeria under sharia law?? do not be an hypocrite , we all know what you all want

deols:

The verses are revealed in relation to time and different occurrences. A knowledgeable Muslim knows that.

Anyone interested in getting off ignorance will also take the time to learn and understand that.

Unfortunately, for political reasons, some people have misinterpreted these things and have given the wrong interpretation to them.

Lets address the ignorance issue.

Are you saying there are no justifications for these actions in the Quran, the Hadith or the examples set by Mohammed?

If so, please lecture us on how these guys were wrong, according to Islam.

Badosqi:
Who cares abt d comment made by d ghanaian president.... check d world news daily and u wil see aw ur people kill in iran,iraq,pakistan,afganistan(all d middle east), east africa, northern part of nigeria, niger, mali...
why is it dat dere is no peace in areas infected by this people

How are they my people? You are starting to sound like a terrorist in the making.

In Iran? who is killing in Iran. Some of you know nothing about what is going on. You hear Bs and keep recycling it.

and who is being killed in Afghanistan? Christians, your people? the US army?

Mobsync:

Most terrorists are not muslims. It's just that the ones you're interested in are the so-called "muslim" ones. Check out Joseph Kony on google, he hid under the cover of christianity to execute acts of terrorism.

when you kill 100 xtians . y wont they be interested in you.
joseph kony that stopped attending church when he was 15?

Jenams: my dear, I'm hapi u heard there were muslims in d hall, but did u also hear dat muslims were escorted out of d hall? After answerin some islamic questions, the muslims were allowed to walk out! They walked out damn it! #B.S! Hogwosh! I'm pissed! #Hypocrite!

so u mean all the Muslims were walked out? How could they have escortes all the Muslims qhen they were shooting sporadically?

have you seen the pictures with a lil boy wounded and his mother was wearing hijab?


Fact is, this is wrong no matter who is affected.

Actually,I was going by what they were saying.
Since they say it's against muslim ideology,then we accept that it is against it.

So following that logic,since it's against what they preach,then why haven't they done something about?
Now if they can't show anything to prove that they stand against these terrorists,then it puts paid to the assertion that they support terrorism! Full stop
Afterall many countries have a budget to fight terrorism.
How many muslim countries actually spend their money on fighting islamic extremists.?
If there's a strict law in muslim countries giving serious penalty for any attack on other religious sects,then I'm sure by now terrorism won't be this bad.
All they do is condemn when the killings have been done.

But when they go for worship or teaching,they don't preach love for other people

Now I havnt insulted anybody's religion,but I think the truth is glaring!

Sagamite:

Their actions are not against the Islamic tenets.

You will find the justification for their actions in the religion. It is just a matter of which side of it you read and the interpretation you choose.

The Quran tells you in one part to do good on an issue and the same Quran in other parts tell you to do bad on similar issue.

These Imams have chosen the good, the terrorist have chosen the bad.

Who is right when the Quran is unquestionable?

lorretta u: Ok it's clear their actions are againgst muslim tenets
But What I want to understand is this.
in all the nations where there is islamic presence why is there always bloodshed?

Now I won't lie that I've not met peaceful muslims before.infact I'm friends with one for now
But these things keep happening and what we hear is that they aren't true muslims.

But they are muslims after all aren't they?
Now if there are muslim religious leaders on NL

I have a question for you guys.seeing as religious killings are being carried out in almost all muslim countries by the so called muslim exTremists,what have you guys done to stop this?asides from coming out after the attacks to condemn(when u do)

Have you people set up bodies throughout your religious domains to try and teach your youth tolerance for other religions?

do u make it a point of every religious gathering to preach to your youngsters peace and love for other people?
It starts from the home.now what do you teach your kids? Sometime we preach hate without knowing it.words like 'infidel' used to describe people of other religions only gives the kids an impression that it's ok to despise other people.

Do you teach them that it's ok to make friends(real friends) from other religions? Maybe even marry them?(I know they won't let this one happen)
As long as we keep up with these little segregations, it should come as no surprise when things like these happen.because they are the fruits of the tree of religious segregation.

If what they are doing is truely against muslim teachings,stand up and fight for your religion!

Show it.prove to the world that it isn't what you stand for.

these are what they usually say whenever any terrorist attack occur:
1. The west should be blamed.
2. It is political not religion.
3. THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS.
.
Sometimes when i see no 3,i ask who then are muslims? If trully d bombings,killings, slaughtering done in islamic countries and all over the world are not done by muslims,then d claim that ' islam is d fastest growing religion' is a lie.
This article like that of the Op is what we will continue to see whenever such terrorist ttack occur,instead of them to find a way out, a parmanent solution,they l continue to ram abt in circle,and inside of them they are happy!

#pls note,anything that is found on violence,has a foundation on violence will and must be sustain by violence!
May God help us.

richP: when you kill 100 xtians . y wont they be interested in you.
joseph kony that stopped attending church when he was 15?

Like I said earlier, it is a vicious circle.


The alshabab will say Kenyans have been attacking them and then Kenya will see a need to strike and then al shabab again.

depending on whom you are supporting, you will cry fowl when you are stricken forgetting you were previously the attacker. It does not happen that people just turn the other cheek. Never the human way.


Talk of the crusade and hear what the Christians did to Muslims. A Muslim may justify killing Christians based on that. Even though wrong, he might have supporters and depending on how the Christians make their case known, they will have theirs too.

It will continue to get more and more dangerous. I am afraid there may be no end to it

Until Judgement day when reality will dawn on us all.

Define Peace: Freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility.

Define Islam: Submitting and obeying.

Freedom Vs Submission

Religion Of Peace Indeed?

teeo:

Which peace does it preach The mallams that preach in the mosques close to my house definitely don't preach peace when they say the bible is fake and speak against paul.

same with me too,
everything they say is totally to discredit the bible and Jesus,no love in most of their messages,even in their prayers:
"allah beget and non bege him"-who is d above prayers refering to?
May God ave mercy.

Sagamite: I was about to say "Finally! About time. After years of it being due, we are finally getting there" but then I decided to check something first and I decided not to say it anymore.

All these guys are Western-influence imams. Hardly representative of the main problems and highly ignorable.


Sheikh Abu Eesa Niamatullah - A UK-born and raised Pakistani. Still lives in the UK.

Mufti Ismail Menk - Zimbabwe-born and raised Indian who now lives in South Africa.

Sheikh Yaser Birjas - A Kuwait-born Palestine who has lived in the US since 2000.

Gary Larocque - A white convert to Islam.

Sheikh Yahya Adel Ibrahim - A Canadian-born and raised Egytian who now lives in Australia.

Hardly the people that would make meaningful change. All are raised or based in places where Muslims are a minority.



This is an example of one of the numerous problems I keep on alluding to when I say something is wrong with the Islamic religion.

Illogical and cultic!

Unfortunately, these problems cannot be changed because it is strongly woven in the doctrine and culture. Only conscience, civilisation or just plain domination over others would make some Muslims stop the violence because it is sooooooooo easy to find justification for killing others like chicken in the religion.

It is not the religion of peace!

I dare say VERY FEW PROMINENT Imams in a majority Muslim country can or will condemn these kinds of evil actions because the populace would see it as siding with the enemy: Kaffirs!

"Support you brothers even when they are wrong?" ............Houston, we have a problem!

I can see that you have not done much in reading and getting yourself informed.


Or do you expect the arab Imam to come and speak it into your ears? .that you thought we are just getting there by this is even more apaling. Only God knows how many times we have posted similar things even here on NL.

As per you reading the wrong meaning to the supporting our brothers in right and wrong, I dont even know what to say.

Just go and read the post again and if you dont understand still, I will get down to the kindergaten level to explain it to you.

deols:

Did you see anyone apologising? No Muslim has to apologise for this. I don't like that this happens. I am sad that it does but I owe no one apology for what I am not a part of.


Even the president of Ghana made it clear it is not a matter of religion.


It is a vicious circle, I am afraid.

You talk thrash!!!!


More reason why I still think this stuff has blinded muslims for them not to reason with their medulla oblongata.
How can you say no muslim has to apologize,when we know this act was perpetrated by muslims.
Even if you not in support of the terrorists,you should at least,apologize,cos they your brothers in "religion" and they claim they doing it for the sake of their "religion".


Talk is Cheap,but cognitive reasoning is expensive,you've gotta "buy" some. Trust me

lorretta u: Ok it's clear their actions are againgst muslim tenets
But What I want to understand is this.
in all the nations where there is islamic presence why is there always bloodshed?

Now I won't lie that I've not met peaceful muslims before.infact I'm friends with one for now
But these things keep happening and what we hear is that they aren't true muslims.

But they are muslims after all aren't they?
Now if there are muslim religious leaders on NL

I have a question for you guys.seeing as religious killings are being carried out in almost all muslim countries by the so called muslim exTremists,what have you guys done to stop this?asides from coming out after the attacks to condemn(when u do)

Have you people set up bodies throughout your religious domains to try and teach your youth tolerance for other religions?

do u make it a point of every religious gathering to preach to your youngsters peace and love for other people?
It starts from the home.now what do you teach your kids? Sometime we preach hate without knowing it.words like 'infidel' used to describe people of other religions only gives the kids an impression that it's ok to despise other people.

Do you teach them that it's ok to make friends(real friends) from other religions? Maybe even marry them?(I know they won't let this one happen)
As long as we keep up with these little segregations, it should come as no surprise when things like these happen.because they are the fruits of the tree of religious segregation.

If what they are doing is truely against muslim teachings,stand up and fight for your religion!

Show it.prove to the world that it isn't what you stand for.

All.of those preachings are carried out. No one needed your validation and so would not come and announce it to you.

If a Muslim had uses that 'fight for your religion' statement, ot would have been misinterpreted dont you think?

deols:

I can see that you have not done much in reading and getting yourself informed.


Or do you expect the arab Imam to come and speak it into your ears? .that you thought we are just getting there by this is even more apaling. Only God knows how many times we have posted similar things even here on NL.

As per you reading the wrong meaning to the supporting our brothers in right and wrong, I dont even know what to say.

Just go and read the post again and if you dont understand still, I will get down to the kindergaten level to explain it to you.

Please inform me where senior Muslim clerics in Islamic countries are condemning this act.

I beg you and I dare you.

Feel free to inform them to come and whisper it in my ears because I am sure that is the only way you heard.

Oya start:

Saudi Arabia - {put link here}
Pakistan - {put link here}
Iran - {put link here}
Egypt - {put link here}
Jordan - {put link here}
Syria - {put link here}
Indonesia - {put link here}
etc

I beg you and I dare you.

I wait. Lets test your kindergarten education.

Abu Mikey: You talk thrash!!!!


More reason why I still think this stuff has blinded muslims for them not to reason with their medulla oblongata.
How can you say no muslim has to apologize,when we know this act was perpetrated by muslims.
Even if you not in support of the terrorists,you should at least,apologize,cos they your brothers in "religion" and they claim they doing it for the sake of their "religion".


Talk is Cheap,but cognitive reasoning is expensive,you've gotta "buy" some. Trust me

Have you apologised for 'Nigerians being 419ners?'

have you apologised for the MEND

and kidnappers

and bank robbers

and

polithifcians?


dont you think you should take responsibility and apologise for the actions of these NIGERIANS?


some of you will have to admit that your IQs are LOW.