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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by Nobody: 1:40pm On Oct 30, 2013
With this demonisation of our culture and religion, some priest attack shrines in villages and burn them down on the claim that those shrines are the reason for the ill luck experienced by the poor members of that community in finances and other areas of their lives.
These gullible fellows being already brainwashed and frustrated with life sanction such endeavours!
What happens next?
The criminals called priest/pastors steal the carved idols and totems, smuggle it overseas to sell it to willing europeans.
That's when the real suffering begins for the community and the priests!

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by Nobody: 1:42pm On Oct 30, 2013
Dr. Joe:
@OP
Mental slavery. it has caged the minds of Africans for hundreds of years now.
when the extraterrestrials(anunnaki) came to earth, they were all over earth in those days (Genesis 6:1-4)
the first mission of the Vatican sponsored evangelism in Africa was to get rid of any traceable evidence of extraterrestrials which were all over Africa before the coming of the missionaries. visibility studies has shown that those oracles/images of gods that were wiped away by the missionaries are actually caved images of extraterrestrial who visited Africa in the remote past and were being worshiped as gods by the primitive ancestors then. the bible was introduced to our ancestors and somehow they were made to believe that what they have been worshiping were demons and the biblical character is god with a capital G.


Oga wetin you dey talk like this?
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by adahib: 8:57pm On Oct 30, 2013
mazaje: Christianity and islam by definition are HATEFUL religions, there is NOTHING about love in any of them regardless of how they keep repeating that their religion is love. . .Their religion is love ONLY when you believe in it, as long as you do not believe in it then you deserve their scorn and condemnation. . .There is no difference between christianity and islam when it comes to hate, they are both the same, christianity lies to it self by telling its adherent that they are in the light while others are in darkness, it makes its members feel superior to others while demonizing the others at the same time. . .Islam does the same. . .Claims that those that adhere to it are special and were specially made so by the creator of the universe himself. . .Everything about christianity and islam is geared towards the hate of the other. . .Do not be yoked with the unbeliever. . .What has light got to do with darkness. . .He that does not believe in Jesus is condemned already and on and on. . .Islam begins by saying that Allah dislikes the unbelievers and on and on. . .These religions are all about hating and condemnation of other religions, that is why our pastors and the foooooooooools in Nolly wood go about embarrassing them selves and showing the whole world that they deserved to be looked at as animals. . .The black man is a complete fooooool. Because he is the only person that has been deceived to hate himself of all the races on earth . . .


Very true....very true indeed
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by thoth: 1:41am On Oct 31, 2013
PAGAN 9JA:


wetin be this one

Lol..my wife laughed so hard when she read that.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by birdman(m): 4:47am On Oct 31, 2013
Dr. Joe:
@OP
Mental slavery. it has caged the minds of Africans for hundreds of years now.
when the extraterrestrials(anunnaki) came to earth, they were all over earth in those days (Genesis 6:1-4)
the first mission of the Vatican sponsored evangelism in Africa was to get rid of any traceable evidence of extraterrestrials which were all over Africa before the coming of the missionaries. visibility studies has shown that those oracles/images of gods that were wiped away by the missionaries are actually caved images of extraterrestrial who visited Africa in the remote past and were being worshiped as gods by the primitive ancestors then. the bible was introduced to our ancestors and somehow they were made to believe that what they have been worshiping were demons and the biblical character is god with a capital G.



too much stargate SG1
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by Mudley313: 6:02am On Oct 31, 2013
Dr. Joe:
@OP
Mental slavery. it has caged the minds of Africans for hundreds of years now.
when the extraterrestrials(anunnaki) came to earth, they were all over earth in those days (Genesis 6:1-4)
the first mission of the Vatican sponsored evangelism in Africa was to get rid of any traceable evidence of extraterrestrials which were all over Africa before the coming of the missionaries. visibility studies has shown that those oracles/images of gods that were wiped away by the missionaries are actually caved images of extraterrestrial who visited Africa in the remote past and were being worshiped as gods by the primitive ancestors then. the bible was introduced to our ancestors and somehow they were made to believe that what they have been worshiping were demons and the biblical character is god with a capital G.

Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by onila(f): 6:12am On Oct 31, 2013
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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alanmwene: 11:06am On Oct 31, 2013
It is just inferiority complex!
In Africa:Head of states being puppets of whites esoteric orders!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEmPMzDYv8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ysfakviA

Meanwhile in asia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRbD_0w29I
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by macof(m): 12:56pm On Oct 31, 2013
Dr. Joe:
@OP
Mental slavery. it has caged the minds of Africans for hundreds of years now.
when the extraterrestrials(anunnaki) came to earth, they were all over earth in those days (Genesis 6:1-4)
the first mission of the Vatican sponsored evangelism in Africa was to get rid of any traceable evidence of extraterrestrials which were all over Africa before the coming of the missionaries. visibility studies has shown that those oracles/images of gods that were wiped away by the missionaries are actually caved images of extraterrestrial who visited Africa in the remote past and were being worshiped as gods by the primitive ancestors then. the bible was introduced to our ancestors and somehow they were made to believe that what they have been worshiping were demons and the biblical character is god with a capital G.



I have to disagree with you
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:55pm On Oct 31, 2013
alanmwene: It is just inferiority complex!
In Africa:Head of states being puppets of whites esoteric orders!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEmPMzDYv8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ysfakviA

Meanwhile in asia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRbD_0w29I

Adding, some Nigerian atheist are so brainwashed into European mumbo Jumbo through messiah Darwin just like those that fall from Abrahamic faith. They praise Eastern spirituality like Buddhism but spew trash on African spirituality......

Atheist from America and Japan are embracing Buddhism....the zombie atheist on nairaland are also embracing it too. African spirituality shall stand beyond their master rule. All are blindfolded and puppet of foreign world

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alanmwene: 3:24pm On Oct 31, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

Adding, some Nigerian atheist are so brainwashed into European mumbo Jumbo through messiah Darwin just like those that fall from Abrahamic faith. They praise Eastern spirituality like Buddhism but spew trash on African spirituality......

Atheist from America and Japan are embracing Buddhism....the zombie atheist on nairaland are also embracing it too. African spirituality shall stand beyond their master rule. All are blindfolded and puppet of foreign world
These people are placed at the head of African states to mess up Africa in any way possible!These fake and imported spiritualities have created a race of evil people who have no love whatsoever for Africa.

Check up their madness:
Ali bongo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hst7qHI3ou4
French people confiscating theodoro obiang luxury cars and houses:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih2fQA2wfec

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by akpos4uall(m): 4:41pm On Oct 31, 2013
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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by adahib: 9:24pm On Oct 31, 2013
alanmwene:
These people are placed at the head of African states to mess up Africa in any way possible!These fake and imported spiritualities have created a race of evil people who have no love whatsoever for Africa.

Check up their madness:
Ali bongo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hst7qHI3ou4
French people confiscating theodoro obiang luxury cars and houses:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih2fQA2wfec

Hmmmmmmm
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alnaijiri(m): 10:32pm On Oct 31, 2013
Traditional African religions, like traditional religions everywhere in the world, are lacking in morality, but rather focuses their attention on superstitions, magic, charms, etc. With the advent of science, an educated person cannot possibly believe in that former mumbo-jumbo. However, religions that preach morality manage to stand the test of time.

Religion shouldn't be about race or colonialism. Did not the pagans of Europe who worshipped Odin or Zeus give up their beliefs to believe in one God (and unfortunately in the blasphemous notion that God has a son). Did not the people of the Middle East give up their various pagan gods in order to live in the light of Islam?
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by macof(m): 10:39pm On Oct 31, 2013
alnaijiri: Traditional African religions, like traditional religions everywhere in the world, are lacking in morality, but rather focuses their attention on superstitions, magic, charms, etc. With the advent of science, an educated person cannot possibly believe in that former mumbo-jumbo. However, religions that preach morality manage to stand the test of time.

Religion shouldn't be about race or colonialism. Did not the pagans of Europe who worshipped Odin or Zeus give up their beliefs to believe in one God (and unfortunately in the blasphemous notion that God has a son). Did not the people of the Middle East give up their various pagan gods in order to live in the light of Islam?

1. ATR Isnt lacking in morality
2. Educated people are in fact pagans
3. Most Westerners are not religious folks, they might claim certain religions like Christianity and Judaism but they actually live free of these religious way of thinking.
4. They didn't give up their worship freely, the Vatican instigated crucifixion of all pagans. Have you even read the history of christianity? The early Christians were Savage murderers, look what they did in Rome.

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alnaijiri(m): 10:48pm On Oct 31, 2013
macof:

3. Most Westerners are not religious folks, they might claim certain religions like Christianity and Judaism but they actually live free of these religious way of thinking.

In the modern age, they have abandoned their religions and look where their society is now. Lack of morality throughout. Low birthrates. Population replacement by immigrants in their own lands.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alanmwene: 12:20am On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri: Traditional African religions, like traditional religions everywhere in the world, are lacking in morality, but rather focuses their attention on superstitions, magic, charms, etc. With the advent of science, an educated person cannot possibly believe in that former mumbo-jumbo. However, religions that preach morality manage to stand the test of time.

Religion shouldn't be about race or colonialism. Did not the pagans of Europe who worshipped Odin or Zeus give up their beliefs to believe in one God (and unfortunately in the blasphemous notion that God has a son). Did not the people of the Middle East give up their various pagan gods in order to live in the light of Islam?
How come that Indians who are "pagans" produce more great scientists than all the muslim world?What is your definition of morality?Is killing innocents like boko haram or al shabbab do moral in your view?

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by macof(m): 12:57am On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri:

In the modern age, they have abandoned their religions and look where their society is now. Lack of morality throughout. Low birthrates. Population replacement by immigrants in their own lands.

Who says? Immorality is everywhere
They might not be as respectful and loving towards culture as some Africans but we are not morally better than them
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alnaijiri(m): 2:41am On Nov 01, 2013
alanmwene:
How come that Indians who are "pagans" produce more great scientists than all the muslim world?What is your definition of morality?Is killing innocents like boko haram or al shabbab do moral in your view?

On a per-capita basis, the scientific output of India is minimal. But even if there are the occasional bright spots from the Hindus, their society is unfit for human life; poverty in India outpaces that of Africa, cruelty and injustice abounds in that pagan eyesore.

For centuries now, the so-called "Muslim World" has abandoned the proper scholarship of Islamic jurisprudence. That's why I'm calling for a renaissance for Islam. The ones that are calling for terrorism in the name of jihad are not properly educated according to the thousand-year tradition of Islamic scholarship and decision-making. Back when Islam was properly applied (Golden Age of Islam), the Islamic Nation led the world in scientific, economic, and social innovations.

macof:

Who says? Immorality is everywhere
They might not be as respectful and loving towards culture as some Africans but we are not morally better than them

Africans are for the most part pagans, even those who say they're Xian or Muslims. Dependence on magic and superstition as well as a complete disregard for reasoning and scholarship are what paganism has been about, and those things are still what African Xianity or Islam is about today. African religion is African paganism with different names for the deities. At least for the most part Westerners aren't pagans in this sense of the word. They may be shamelessly hedonists, but they're not overly superstitious and do take initiative (effective ones, not juju) to make changes to better their lot.

Paganism is the part of the African mentality that has been keeping us behind as a continent. The light of Islam is needed here, nothing else can shine the light so we can stop groping in the dark.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by MamiWata: 4:46am On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri:

Paganism is the part of the African mentality that has been keeping us behind as a continent. The light of Islam is needed here, nothing else can shine the light so we can stop groping in the dark.

Paganism has absolutely nothing to do with Africa being "left behind." Pagan beliefs are a part of Abrahamic religions as well (Christmas, the story of Jesus, etc.). No group of people has completely disregarded their ancestors the way you'd like Africans to disregard ours. Muslims need to wake up to the idea of women being full human beings before you start worrying about the harm that paganism is doing to Africa. Muslim societies consistently rank at the bottom of all indices with regard to women's well-being. You will never succeed when you undervalue 50% of your population. Islam is 100% compatible with women's continued voicelessness which is why it thrives in countries that treat women like grass to be stepped on and mowed. Many pagan spiritualities, however, value balance. Women's voices and power is part of that balance. And that is just one of the many ways that our ways are healthier than yours. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Niger, and Somalia are awful places where the world can see what happens when Islam is at work. By the way did they ever pass that Nigerian law to allow your filthy men to marry 9 year old girls?

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by macof(m): 7:40am On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri:

On a per-capita basis, the scientific output of India is minimal. But even if there are the occasional bright spots from the Hindus, their society is unfit for human life; poverty in India outpaces that of Africa, cruelty and injustice abounds in that pagan eyesore.

For centuries now, the so-called "Muslim World" has abandoned the proper scholarship of Islamic jurisprudence. That's why I'm calling for a renaissance for Islam. The ones that are calling for terrorism in the name of jihad are not properly educated according to the thousand-year tradition of Islamic scholarship and decision-making. Back when Islam was properly applied (Golden Age of Islam), the Islamic Nation led the world in scientific, economic, and social innovations.



Africans are for the most part pagans, even those who say they're Xian or Muslims. Dependence on magic and superstition as well as a complete disregard for reasoning and scholarship are what paganism has been about, and those things are still what African Xianity or Islam is about today. African religion is African paganism with different names for the deities. At least for the most part Westerners aren't pagans in this sense of the word. They may be shamelessly hedonists, but they're not overly superstitious and do take initiative (effective ones, not juju) to make changes to better their lot.

Paganism is the part of the African mentality that has been keeping us behind as a continent. The light of Islam is needed here, nothing else can shine the light so we can stop groping in the dark.


Mental fool.

Islam is evil.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by macof(m): 7:45am On Nov 01, 2013
MamiWata:

Paganism has absolutely nothing to do with Africa being "left behind." Pagan beliefs are a part of Abrahamic religions as well (Christmas, the story of Jesus, etc.). No group of people has completely disregarded their ancestors the way you'd like Africans to disregard ours. Muslims need to wake up to the idea of women being full human beings before you start worrying about the harm that paganism is doing to Africa. Muslim societies consistently rank at the bottom of all indices with regard to women's well-being. You will never succeed when you undervalue 50% of your population. Islam is 100% compatible with women's continued voicelessness which is why it thrives in countries that treat women like grass to be stepped on and mowed. Many pagan spiritualities, however, value balance. Women's voices and power is part of that balance. And that is just one of the many ways that our ways are healthier than yours. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Niger, and Somalia are awful places where the world can see what happens when Islam is at work. By the way did they ever pass that Nigerian law to allow your filthy men to marry 9 year old girls?

No they didn't.
Muslims in this country especially the ones in the north are too brainwashed into this Islam, that's why they are the least developed part of Nigeria. That's wat happens when you let a book think for you.

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by beejaay: 9:30am On Nov 01, 2013
MamiWata:

So marry a traditional and help build it back up. That's what I did. It starts with us.

i dont really believe in marriage (cos the meaning is long lost) but i will be very much ready to marry one. the problem is how do i get one??
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alanmwene: 9:57am On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri:

On a per-capita basis, the scientific output of India is minimal. But even if there are the occasional bright spots from the Hindus, their society is unfit for human life; poverty in India outpaces that of Africa, cruelty and injustice abounds in that pagan eyesore.

For centuries now, the so-called "Muslim World" has abandoned the proper scholarship of Islamic jurisprudence. That's why I'm calling for a renaissance for Islam. The ones that are calling for terrorism in the name of jihad are not properly educated according to the thousand-year tradition of Islamic scholarship and decision-makintg. Back when Islam was properly applied (Golden Age of Islam), the Islamic Nation led the world in scientific, economic, and social innovations.

Africans are for the most part pagans, even those who say they're Xian or Muslims. Dependence on magic and superstition as well as a complete disregard for reasoning and scholarship are what paganism has been about, and those things are still what African Xianity or Islam is about today. African religion is African paganism with different names for the deities. At least for the most part Westerners aren't pagans in this sense of the word. They may be shamelessly hedonists, but they're not overly superstitious and do take initiative (effective ones, not juju) to make changes to better their lot.

Paganism is the part of the African mentality that has been keeping us behind as a continent. The light of Islam is needed here, nothing else can shine the light so we can stop groping in the dark.

Should I remind you that it was the "pagans" Indians and Persians scientists who contributed the most to the "Islamic" civilization?Even at its height,the Islamic civilization have never reached the achievements of ancient Greece , ancient Egypt or ancient india.The golden age of islam lasted less than 1000 years!Show me an Islamic country which is technologicaly equal to pagan japan!The only things islam and Christianity brought to Africa are slavery,corruption,intolerance and alienation.People like you are the worst enemies of Africa!Islam and Christianity have killed and enslaved more people than any traditional religion in the world,yet you are here talking about morality.Are you serious?

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by mazaje(m): 10:26am On Nov 01, 2013
alanmwene:
Should I remind you that it was the "pagans" Indians and Persians scientists who contributed the most to the "Islamic" civilization?Even at its height,the Islamic civilization have never reached the achievements of ancient Greece , ancient Egypt or ancient india.The golden age of islam lasted less than 1000 years!Show me an Islamic country which is technologicaly equal to pagan japan!The only things islam and Christianity brought to Africa are slavery,corruption,intolerance and alienation.People like you are the worst enemies of Africa!Islam and Christianity have killed and enslaved more people than any traditional religion in the world,yet you are here talking about morality.Are you serious?

What morality is he talking about?. . .Isn't islam the myth and supersition of ancient arabs?. . .The islamic golden age is just a ruse, that muslims use to delude themselves. . Many parts of the islamic world today is unfit for humans, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Chad, Yemen, Niger, Mali, Sudan, Pakistan, Syria, northern Nigeria etc. . .India is better than all these miserable cesspool of death that practice islam, so what the hell are you talking about?. . .Islam has no morality to teach the world. . .We have perfect examples of places that claim to live under the ultra conservative tenets of Islam(Saudi Arabi and Iran), they are NOT the best places to live here on earth, in fact they are terrible places to live. . . Many pagan nations. like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan and Hong Kong are much better than these Islamic countries. . .Islam has NO light to offer anybody, if it had we would have seen it, so far we have seen the darkness it is displaying for all to see through its campaign of violence and death all over the world. . .Islam is a very big problem for the world as a whole at the moment because of its campaign of violence and death. . .

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by lockedOut: 10:59am On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri: Traditional African religions, like traditional religions everywhere in the world, are lacking in morality, but rather focuses their attention on superstitions, magic, charms, etc. With the advent of science, an educated person cannot possibly believe in that former mumbo-jumbo. However, religions that preach morality manage to stand the test of time.

Religion shouldn't be about race or colonialism. Did not the pagans of Europe who worshipped Odin or Zeus give up their beliefs to believe in one God (and unfortunately in the blasphemous notion that God has a son). Did not the people of the Middle East give up their various pagan gods in order to live in the light of Islam?

^^^ I totally disagree with this notion. "Lacking in Morality" are you saying there were no morals before the advent of western religion in Africa? Agreed some ways were not perfect (ignorance to a certain level due to the available knowledge) but lacking morality is just wrong. There is this popular saying "Kill them all and let God choose his own people" This statement was made by a christian crusader when they were going to take over Jerusalem from the Muslim Jihadist, a warrior came to him and asked Sir what should we do with the women, slaves and children, his answer was what I wrote above. I am just sighting an example for the religion you are claiming upheld morality.

Now to the civilization part, have you ever heard of the Egyptian Civilization As far back as 2000AD those people performed Brain surgeries and built the pyramids of Egypt without any form of iron, till today the Pyramids stand as one of the seven ancient wonders of the world. Eratosthenes is a famous Greek mathematician/philosopher and he learnt his trade in Egypt (earliest form of schooling method). I can go on and on about the sophistication of the Egyptian civilization and also let you know when Egypt prospered their God was an African God and they practiced African religion (checkout Ramses)

Today Egypt is known as an Arab nation and people forget that before the Arabic religion came in Egypt was once the cradle of civilization. People like you will sit down and due to unavailability of knowledge claim African religion lacked morality. Africans were wearing clothes long before their European counterparts because we were knowledgeable about our nudity.

All the religions you have mentioned above have benefited solely the originators of those religions. China is a super power today and I do not see the Chinese practicing either Christianity or Islam, so you see your deductions are flawed. If i misinterpreted expatiate more.

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by MamiWata: 11:02am On Nov 01, 2013
macof:

No they didn't.
Muslims in this country especially the ones in the north are too brainwashed into this Islam, that's why they are the least developed part of Nigeria. That's wat happens when you let a book think for you.

Thank the ancestors those sick bastards have to wait until a woman is an adult to start treating her like a sex object.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by lockedOut: 11:08am On Nov 01, 2013
alanmwene:
Should I remind you that it was the "pagans" Indians and Persians scientists who contributed the most to the "Islamic" civilization?Even at its height,the Islamic civilization have never reached the achievements of ancient Greece , ancient Egypt or ancient india.The golden age of islam lasted less than 1000 years!Show me an Islamic country which is technologicaly equal to pagan japan!The only things islam and Christianity brought to Africa are slavery,corruption,intolerance and alienation.People like you are the worst enemies of Africa!Islam and Christianity have killed and enslaved more people than any traditional religion in the world,yet you are here talking about morality.Are you serious?

just to buttress your point, the popular Arabic numerals is actually known as the Indian numerals by the Arabs but becuase they exported it to the world through Islam we all know it as the Arabic numerals while the Arabs themselves call it the Indian numeral.

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Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by thoth: 12:47pm On Nov 01, 2013
alnaijiri:

On a per-capita basis, the scientific output of India is minimal. But even if there are the occasional bright spots from the Hindus, their society is unfit for human life; poverty in India outpaces that of Africa, cruelty and injustice abounds in that pagan eyesore.

For centuries now, the so-called "Muslim World" has abandoned the proper scholarship of Islamic jurisprudence. That's why I'm calling for a renaissance for Islam. The ones that are calling for terrorism in the name of jihad are not properly educated according to the thousand-year tradition of Islamic scholarship and decision-making. Back when Islam was properly applied (Golden Age of Islam), the Islamic Nation led the world in scientific, economic, and social innovations.



Africans are for the most part pagans, even those who say they're Xian or Muslims. Dependence on magic and superstition as well as a complete disregard for reasoning and scholarship are what paganism has been about, and those things are still what African Xianity or Islam is about today. African religion is African paganism with different names for the deities. At least for the most part Westerners aren't pagans in this sense of the word. They may be shamelessly hedonists, but they're not overly superstitious and do take initiative (effective ones, not juju) to make changes to better their lot.

Paganism is the part of the African mentality that has been keeping us behind as a continent. The light of Islam is needed here, nothing else can shine the light so we can stop groping in the dark.

Sorry..that's all i can say to you.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alnaijiri(m): 3:14pm On Nov 01, 2013
MamiWata:

Paganism has absolutely nothing to do with Africa being "left behind." Pagan beliefs are a part of Abrahamic religions as well (Christmas, the story of Jesus, etc.). No group of people has completely disregarded their ancestors the way you'd like Africans to disregard ours. Muslims need to wake up to the idea of women being full human beings before you start worrying about the harm that paganism is doing to Africa. Muslim societies consistently rank at the bottom of all indices with regard to women's well-being. You will never succeed when you undervalue 50% of your population. Islam is 100% compatible with women's continued voicelessness which is why it thrives in countries that treat women like grass to be stepped on and mowed. Many pagan spiritualities, however, value balance. Women's voices and power is part of that balance. And that is just one of the many ways that our ways are healthier than yours. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Niger, and Somalia are awful places where the world can see what happens when Islam is at work. By the way did they ever pass that Nigerian law to allow your filthy men to marry 9 year old girls?

Ok, I see you raised two issues.

One, I don't think you read what I said when I said what constituted the pagan mindset in Africans: dependence on superstition and abandoning logic and rigorous scholarship. This certainly is prevalent in African cultures and is a big reason why the continent today is behind in human development. No argument about that.

Two, Islam (as passed down by Muhammad (peace be upon him), his companions, and the sages of Islam over the centuries) have a respect for women that is unmatched by other civilisations.

Women are in many cases more important than men in Islam. Islam has many rules to protect the rights of women, not to infringe upon them.

The forced marriages to children is regional and is against the teachings of Islam. I don't want to go in more details, but I want to say that in Islam (not the cultures that have many Muslims), marriages must be consensual. Even when young girls are married, the marriage cannot be consummated until the girl is physically ready. All other ways are against the ways of Islam.

In fact, in the laws concerning marriage, the husband is the one who has a DUTY to satisfy the wife whenever SHE wishes, but the wife has no corresponding duty to satisfy her husband's needs. I'd think that most Africans would say that Islam gives too many rights to women.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alnaijiri(m): 6:25pm On Nov 01, 2013
alanmwene:
Should I remind you that it was the "pagans" Indians and Persians scientists who contributed the most to the "Islamic" civilization?Even at its height,the Islamic civilization have never reached the achievements of ancient Greece , ancient Egypt or ancient india.The golden age of islam lasted less than 1000 years!Show me an Islamic country which is technologicaly equal to pagan japan!The only things islam and Christianity brought to Africa are slavery,corruption,intolerance and alienation.People like you are the worst enemies of Africa!Islam and Christianity have killed and enslaved more people than any traditional religion in the world,yet you are here talking about morality.Are you serious?

I'm not making a case of the superiority of Arabs, no! I'm making a case for the Islamic civilisation. Many of the foremost scientists in the early Islamic Nation were non-Arabs, but the key is that those people were able to make these innovations only after conversion to Islam and more importantly, after the establishment of fair legal systems and harmonious societies established by the Islamic government in their respective locales.

When the Xian Europeans burned books in the Middle Ages, the libraries of Islamic Baghdad were the pinnacle of human knowledge and scholarship.

You have to realise that the Arabs were a backward, tribal nomadic society prior to Islam, and of course they could not have come up with civlisation to rival those of Persia, India or Egypt. But after the establishment of the Islamic Nation, ancient Greek and Persian ideas were quickly synthesised into Islamic scholarship. Far more than just technical innovations, Islam allowed for great legal innovations that resulted in the most equitable and harmonious society of its size mankind has ever witnessed, far outdoing its predecessors the Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, or the Romans (the latter three were all known to be extremely cruel and had very rigid unequal societies).

BTW, those Asian economic powers you mentioned are NOT pagan in the same sense as African paganism. Confucianism (a non-superstitious religion/system of morality) is deeply rooted there, and promotes a society of loyal relationships as well as hard work. It does not believe in divine intervention nearly as much as African religions, so do not equate the two.

Even so, Asian societies are harshly unequal, cruel, and unjust. They could do much better with the morality of Islam. But I'm African, and I'd like to focus my energy on the propagation of Islam in Africa.
Re: Why Is African Traditional Religion Seen As Demonic? by alnaijiri(m): 6:36pm On Nov 01, 2013
lockedOut:

^^^ I totally disagree with this notion. "Lacking in Morality" are you saying there were no morals before the advent of western religion in Africa? Agreed some ways were not perfect (ignorance to a certain level due to the available knowledge) but lacking morality is just wrong. There is this popular saying "Kill them all and let God choose his own people" This statement was made by a christian crusader when they were going to take over Jerusalem from the Muslim Jihadist, a warrior came to him and asked Sir what should we do with the women, slaves and children, his answer was what I wrote above. I am just sighting an example for the religion you are claiming upheld morality.

Now to the civilization part, have you ever heard of the Egyptian Civilization As far back as 2000AD those people performed Brain surgeries and built the pyramids of Egypt without any form of iron, till today the Pyramids stand as one of the seven ancient wonders of the world. Eratosthenes is a famous Greek mathematician/philosopher and he learnt his trade in Egypt (earliest form of schooling method). I can go on and on about the sophistication of the Egyptian civilization and also let you know when Egypt prospered their God was an African God and they practiced African religion (checkout Ramses)

Today Egypt is known as an Arab nation and people forget that before the Arabic religion came in Egypt was once the cradle of civilization. People like you will sit down and due to unavailability of knowledge claim African religion lacked morality. Africans were wearing clothes long before their European counterparts because we were knowledgeable about our nudity.

All the religions you have mentioned above have benefited solely the originators of those religions. China is a super power today and I do not see the Chinese practicing either Christianity or Islam, so you see your deductions are flawed. If i misinterpreted expatiate more.

With regards to Ancient Egypt there is no doubt they were very advanced in their times in terms of technology. Yet, they were unmistakably barbaric in terms of morality. So much labour was wasted to build burials for the pharaoh, and even buried people alive with the dead. They held vast armies of slaves which they exploited to the death. Ordinary human life was not of value to them, how can anyone say they were advanced other than in technical matters?

For such a savage people, their belief system is one that I (or any sane human being for that matter) want nothing to do with. It's not a system that I or anyone else for that matter would want to live under.

Religions do not only benefit the originator peoples. Xianity did not originate with the Europeans or even the Romans among them, but with the Jews of the Middle East, for example. Xianity was spread to the barbaric people of Northern Europe by the sword, yet the civilisation brought to them undoubtedly benefitted them.

Another example is the Islamic Kingdoms of Western Africa. Timbuktu could not have been a centre of learning were it not for the propagation of Islamic learning in that region.

Regarding how some "pagan" societies such as China were able to be fairly civilised, I have the following to say, the same as in a previous comment from me.

China is NOT pagan in the same sense as African paganism. Confucianism (a non-superstitious religion/system of morality) is deeply rooted there, and promotes a society of loyal relationships as well as hard work. It does not believe in divine intervention nearly as much as African religions, so do not equate the two. However, superstition does exist in Chinese philosophy, just not in Confucian philosophy.

Even so, the Chinese society is unimaginably unequal, cruel, and unjust. They could do much better with the morality of Islam. But I'm African, and I'd like to focus my energy on the propagation of Islam in Africa.

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