Leward:
You are a stupid and ignoramus fool, before you comment on a subject your frail mind can't comprehend next time, y dont you aske learned intellectuals (profs) about the subject matter. Esu is nt a messenger god, he is a guard god that protects settlements if pleased that's why his shrine is always at the entrance of a community and yes, he can be wicked when vexed and he is feared, but to prove that, y dont you go to a local community where he is worshipped, ask for his shrine, and pour water on his statue, and mention your nane so as not to cause trouble for the poor community thats when you will understand what 'Esu gbomi mu' is. I'll love to hear your pleasant testimony at the end, sorry if i sound harsh, but i don't take insults lightly, as you must have noticed i've not insulted anyone directly on this thread, you untrained lobstar

kofoshi: All this talk about esu is scaring me o.

Katsumoto:



Esu is not Satan.

Katsumoto:



If you are sincere that you want to gain some knowledge, then you can start with any of the following books.

Some Aspects of Yoruba Aesthetics – Babatunde Lawal
The Yoruba Concept of Human Personality – Wande Abimbola
Black Critics and Kings: Hermeneutics of Power in Yoruba Society – Andrew Apter

When you are done with at least one, you can return to this thread and then we can proceed to have a discussion.

kofoshi: All this talk about esu is scaring me o.

ndu_chucks:

How convenient of you! You don't have any problem with issuing rebuttals with up to 8 bulleted items when you are challenged on this same thread, but you now want me to go and read a whole book before you will answer my very simple question to you. If you have no real knowledge of Ifa, there is nothing shameful about making an admission.

The vast majority of 'authentic' babalwos and Ifa priests are illiterates and very unsophisticated. Trust me, I've travelled far and wide within the SW and these people are outright dumb, sorry to say (most of them still believe that anything that goes up must come down due to gravity - mumus). You have an opportunity to summarize the Ifa philosophy for us and i will not accept the cop out that one has to be Yoruba to understand. So lets have it, educate us please.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

Esu is a hidden wholeness.

An experience has a co-joined hidden aspect which together creates a wholeness, they co-exist and move together.

No experience is permanent. If a person is stuck in an undesirable state for too long, its because they have unconsciously blocked the opposite aspect of that undesirable state, which otherwise should bring in the desired aspect, and by giving an offering their Ori is placated to open the way for the other aspect to manifest and complete the cycle or wholeness.

Dont be afraid of Esu, dont fight him, dont block him but embrace him.

Willingly or unwillingly, you are bound to encounter him.

kofoshi:

Mo taka osi danu!

Mi o ni resu!

ndu_chucks:

How convenient of you! You don't have any problem with issuing rebuttals with up to 8 bulleted items when you are challenged on this same thread, but you now want me to go and read a whole book before you will answer my very simple question to you. If you have no real knowledge of Ifa, there is nothing shameful about making an admission.

[s]The vast majority of 'authentic' babalwos and Ifa priests are illiterates and very unsophisticated[/s]. Trust me, I've travelled far and wide within the SW and these people are outright dumb, sorry to say (most of them still believe that anything that goes up must come down due to gravity - mumus). You have an opportunity to summarize the Ifa philosophy for us and i will not accept the cop out that one has to be Yoruba to understand. So lets have it, educate us please.

ndu_chucks:

How convenient of you! You don't have any problem with issuing rebuttals with up to 8 bulleted items when you are challenged on this same thread, but you now want me to go and read a whole book before you will answer my very simple question to you. If you have no real knowledge of Ifa, there is nothing shameful about making an admission.

The vast majority of 'authentic' babalwos and Ifa priests are illiterates and very unsophisticated. Trust me, I've travelled far and wide within the SW and these people are outright dumb, sorry to say (most of them still believe that anything that goes up must come down due to gravity - mumus). You have an opportunity to summarize the Ifa philosophy for us and i will not accept the cop out that one has to be Yoruba to understand. So lets have it, educate us please.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

Everything God created is designed in an orbit, regulated within a sphere of movement or non-movement, none collides with the other. Some are designed for interaction and inter-exchange and others are designed never to interact but to be perceived or experienced from safe distance.
Humans, as part of these phenomenon, are designated the custodians of life on earth and are taught the secrets of the elements and ecology and cosmic cycles for the benefit of sustenance.

This is a ordered world and to survive in it order is needed, the harmony of nature.

Ifa is an ancient manuscript that contains these secrets.

Some have wondered, why are there no rich babalawos or why are there no formulas for electricity in Ifa.

Babalawos are like monks. Monks live an austere life. Wealth and material things corrupt the soul, therefore monks protect their beings from the corruption through a disciplined, commited lifestyle. This is why Babalawos appear poor. Given the throng of clients that consult their service, domestically and internationally, there is no reason Babalawos should not own private jets like some of these mega pastors, but some of you are unaware that pastors also go to them for consultation.

On the issue of scientifical contents, Ifa has formulas that explain the science of life. If Yorubas were endowed with the gift of scientific creation then the world would be under our monopoly. Europe, with all its endowments for sciences and inventions is barren of the materials needed to fabricate their invention. Jews, with all their knowledge and insight have remained locked in perpetual hatred and battle all their history. So whatever you have, God also put in it a hole, the filling of which require an external source to come in partnership and make whole.

There is a branch of mathematics called opposite category or dual category. It is a formulaic for how Esu operates and expresses more on why an entity must go into partnership to find wholeness.

ndu_chucks:

How convenient of you! You don't have any problem with issuing rebuttals with up to 8 bulleted items when you are challenged on this same thread, but you now want me to go and read a whole book before you will answer my very simple question to you. If you have no real knowledge of Ifa, there is nothing shameful about making an admission.

The vast majority of 'authentic' babalwos and Ifa priests are illiterates and very unsophisticated. Trust me, I've travelled far and wide within the SW and these people are outright dumb, sorry to say (most of them still believe that anything that goes up must come down due to gravity - mumus). You have an opportunity to summarize the Ifa philosophy for us and i will not accept the cop out that one has to be Yoruba to understand. So lets have it, educate us please.

Katsumoto:

Nicely put. Let me expand a bit on the duality you mentioned above. Many cultures believe/believed in the concept that reality has two parts (male and female, good and evil, etc). The ancient Greeks and Romans were believers of this principle as were many other empires. But religions such as Christianity and Islam gradually replaced or amended this belief. There are still many cultures/religions that follow this belief system but their interpretations are different. These interpretations believe that the two can be interdependent, mutually independent, complimentary (Hinduism) or antagonistic (Gnostic Christians, Zoroastrianism).

Zoroastrianism is similar to Ifa in that both believe in the concept of good and bad but differ in that Ifa dictates that good and evil exist for the common good of the universe while Zoroastrianism believes that good and bad are in an eternal fight. This is why the Yoruba say "Buburu ati fere ni o nrin po ("Bad and good things work together" amongst many other sayings. On the good side, you have the orishas and on the bad side, you have death, curse, sickness, etc.

lakhadimar: @verysick9igerian you are as dumb as your paymaster the retardeen himself, i am sure you created this thread for the purpose of castigating aregbesola but unfortunately you know nothing about the IFA philosophy so i will excuse your dumbness. To all you dimwits saying rubbish; we yorubas are proud of our culture, history, heritage and belief system; teaching our children the religion of our fathers at an elementary age is a nice development. We are not like you dumbf*cks who cannot tolerate people from other faiths

Leward:
Africans took Europeans as slaves? Really? Which of them? the egyptians, ethiopians, tunisians or algerians?
My bro go easy on weeds. I'll change my stance if and only if you can give my a sensible proof of that.
I wont consult google for this falacy

Katsumoto:

I wasn't going to respond to you but I see that Mayor of Lagos has done Justice to your question. You can not seek knowledge about something and then denigrate it at the same time. I will not delve further into the subject of Ifa just so you can turn around and ridicule it.

geeez:

Its called idolatry

You need to enroll in a school in Osun State to improve on your English

Meanwhile, Ifa, as a subject, tells the history of the Yorubas and you don't have to become an Ifa priest or worshipper

The SW states will introduce Yoruba as a language of instruction alongside English in our schools

Its the way we've chosen to preserve or rich heritage and you can't understand since you don't have a history you want your unborn
generation to be proud of
At least he communicated and you understood

hercules07:

Bros read up small, hope you know that part of spain was colonised.

Mayor_of_Lagos:

Everything God created is designed in an orbit, regulated within a sphere of movement or non-movement, none collides with the other. Some are designed for interaction and inter-exchange and others are designed never to interact but to be perceived or experienced from safe distance.
Humans, as part of these phenomenon, are designated the custodians of life on earth and are taught the secrets of the elements and ecology and cosmic cycles for the benefit of sustenance.

This is a ordered world and to survive in it order is needed, the harmony of nature.

Ifa is an ancient manuscript that contains these secrets.

Some have wondered, why are there no rich babalawos or why are there no formulas for electricity in Ifa.

Babalawos are like monks. Monks live an austere life.

Katsumoto:

9jacrip is correct. Esu is a divine messenger god. He is the messenger between the physical and spiritual world. He is also the enforcer of spiritual justice; when ever man strays away from the instructions of the gods, Orunmila sends Esu to enforce the will of the orisas.

ndu_chucks:

The above is a bunch of crap! This ancient manuscripts that contain these secrets were privately revealed to you ko? LWKMD Show us the manuscripts, we will not accept your deception on its face.




I dey laugh o.

The reason for the poverty of babalawos is that they are essentially uneducated, without marketable skills, and most are illiterates. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but what I said is true of those babalawos I saw and spoke with from Abeokuta to Ibadan, to Oyo to Ijebu and beyond.

ndu_chucks:

The above is a bunch of crap! This ancient manuscripts that contain these secrets were privately revealed to you ko? LWKMD Show us the manuscripts, we will not accept your deception on its face.




I dey laugh o.

The reason for the poverty of babalawos is that they are essentially uneducated, without marketable skills, and most are illiterates. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but what I said is true of those babalawos I saw and spoke with from Abeokuta to Ibadan, to Oyo to Ijebu and beyond.

ndu_chucks:

The reason for the poverty of babalawos is that they are essentially uneducated, without marketable skills, and most are illiterates. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but what I said is true of those babalawos I saw and spoke with from Abeokuta to Ibadan, to Oyo to Ijebu and beyond.

ndu_chucks:

The above is a bunch of crap! This ancient manuscripts that contain these secrets were privately revealed to you ko? LWKMD Show us the manuscripts, we will not accept your deception on its face.




I dey laugh o.

The reason for the poverty of babalawos is that they are essentially uneducated, without marketable skills, and most are illiterates. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but what I said is true of those babalawos I saw and spoke with from Abeokuta to Ibadan, to Oyo to Ijebu and beyond.