italo: Atheism is just as irrational and ignorant as it claims theism is.

Atheism has no empirical evidence to back its bogus claims: "God doesn't exist. God is a myth" yet it expects theists to believe its positions on God which is based on blind faith, not reason.

striktlymi:

Lol!!!

Thought your first thread ever would have been on Catholicism or something related...

@Topic: Atheism as you defined it is arguably irrational but when we view it as a disbelief in any deity, then I have to say that it is quite rational based on the 'evidence' available for now.

italo: Atheism is just as irrational and ignorant as it claims theism is.

Atheism has no empirical evidence to back its bogus claims: "God doesn't exist. God is a myth" yet it expects theists to believe its positions on God which is based on blind faith, not reason.

italo: Atheism is just as irrational and ignorant as it claims theism is.

Atheism has no empirical evidence to back its bogus claims: "God doesn't exist. God is a myth" yet it expects theists to believe its positions on God which is based on blind faith, not reason.

italo:

LOL! Such an irony.

italo:
Well, I'm sure I'll be starting threads on Catholicism in the coming days. I'm still trying to figure out how to go about it as regards a few considerations...e.g:

italo:
Whether to address them to Catholics or everyone.

italo:
How to reduce derogatory comments to the barest minimum.

italo:
What topics to talk about and whether to include them in the few 'Catholic' threads available or open new ones.

italo:
One the other hand, I opened this thread because many Theists dont know this about Atheism. They let Atheists get away with so much false assumptions simply because they dont know how to prove them to be false.

italo:
@topic, I have never met a professed Atheist who doesnt claim that "God doesnt exist." I dont know if you have.

italo:
Except these people are not really Atheists but something else.

"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist."--Wikipedia

Evil Brain:

Christianity is just as irrational and ignorant as it claims pastafarianism is.

Christianity has no empirical evidence to hack its bogus claims: "The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a myth" yet it expects pastafarians to believe its positions on the Flying Spaghetti Monster which is based on blind faith, not reason.

Deep Sight:

The only problem with this response is that there are no pastafarians in existence.

Also, the sentence would read just as well if the word in red is replaced with "Atheism."

Neither Christians nor atheists believe in the FSM. In fact, no one does, and as a philosophical retort to theism, its puerile.

Evil Brain:

Christianity is just as irrational and ignorant as it claims pastafarianism is.

Christianity has no empirical evidence to hack its bogus claims: "The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a myth" yet it expects pastafarians to believe its positions on the Flying Spaghetti Monster which is based on blind faith, not reason.

Deep Sight:

The only problem with this response is that there are no pastafarians in existence.

Also, the sentence would read just as well if the word in red is replaced with "Atheism."

Neither Christians nor atheists believe in the FSM. In fact, no one does, and as a philosophical retort to theism, its puerile.

italo:

Oh! The claim isnt "Theists are irrational" anymore. It is now "we are all irrational."

It seems like I have achieved something.

Evil Brain:
Also atheists aren't making any positive claims that they need to defend.

Evil Brain:
They are just pointing out that your claims have no evidence backing them, and refusing to believe such claims until evidence is produced.

Alfa Seltzer:

Lack of grammar comprehension lessons shows.

Evil Brain:

What gives you the right to declare what other people do or do not believe in? How dare you call my religion puerile? How is is any less credible than yours?

You Christians have started with your legendary intolerance and bigotry again. But the pastafarians will stand strong, even in the face of persecution.

Also atheists aren't making any positive claims that they need to defend. They are just pointing out that your claims have no evidence backing them, and refusing to believe such claims until evidence is produced.

Alfa Seltzer:

this is a big fail argument. So if you actually see someone that belives in FSM, what does that do to your twisted argument?

What of those that believe in Amadioha? Are you going to claim that they don't exist as well?

mazaje: OP show define god and show us how such a god exist, that will keep all atheist quite, until the OP does that he can only delude himself by saying god exist, god is just a an idea that relies on belief and the people that buy into that idea and belief system are what exist not the gods themselves. . .Can the OP show us that Zeus the ancient Greek god or Shiva the Hindu goddess are u not the creators of the universe?. . There is no difference between the Hindu goddess Shiva and christian god. . .All are creation of men and exist only in the minds of their believers. . .

italo:

Permit me to refrain from cheap insults and face the topic.

Thank you .

Deep Sight:

Your reference to the existence of various ideas of God or gods, does nothing whatsoever to address the pure philosophical and logical question of the existence of a Creator or Creators of the universe.

That question is that which stands between the atheist and theist, and not the haggle as to identity: Zeus, Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, Shiva, Brahman, et all.

Evil Brain:
Also atheists aren't making any positive claims that they need to defend...

mazaje: OP show define god and show us how such a god exist, that will keep all atheist quite, until the OP does that he can only delude himself by saying god exist, god is just a an idea that relies on belief and the people that buy into that idea and belief system are what exist not the gods themselves. . .Can the OP show us that Zeus the ancient Greek god or Shiva the Hindu goddess are u not the creators of the universe?. . There is no difference between the Hindu goddess Shiva and christian god. . .All are creation of men and exist only in the minds of their believers. . .

mazaje:

All gods remain man made ideas. . .That is why there are many gods. . .belief is what makes god live, once people stop believing in gods they die off. . .Ra used to be a very powerful god in ancient Egypt. . .Many of the gods our ancestors worshiped are now dead after the Europeans and Arabs invaded our lands and forced us to accept their own version of gods. . .Gods remain a man made idea. . .FACT. . .

italo:

Let me simplify the OP for you.

This thread was not opened to show Atheists the evidence for God.

It was opened to show that Atheists like you are just as irrational as you claim Theists are when you assert that God doesnt exist, without having empirical evidence - only blind faith.

I pray you can understand it now. Amen.

italo:

The bold is what I am talking about.

An Atheist declares that statement to be "FACT" without any semblance of evidence for it.

italo:

The bold is what I am talking about.

An Atheist declares that statement to be "FACT" without any semblance of evidence for it.

Deep Sight:

I cannot countenance jokes within a proper debate please. No one believes in FSM as a creator God. You do know that to be true, so please try not to waste precious time on such an argument.

The eternal question remains: does an eternal creator of all that began to exist, exist or not?

That is the question, and it does nothing to address the question, to simply create fantastical concepts such as FSM and apply such concepts towards idle mockery.



We know that they exist, and abundantly so, and their belief is also a breed of theistic thought, and is deeply rooted in history and spiritual antiquity, and is not, as with FSM, a concept garbled up for the sake of idle mockery or argument.

Reyginus: I'm hoping to see an atheist show that atheism is rational. And please don't hold unto theism.

Alfa Seltzer:

I don't see how a default position can be described as irrational. It is only one whose natural brain function has been corrupted by the sermons of the godly, that can hold such absurd positions as to call perfectly rational beings irrational.

Reyginus: Lol. First of all, I didn't say that atheism is irrational. I am only exhibiting a trace of rational sceptism. Secondly, are you by the above implying that there shouldn't be any reason for asserting some things? Or that a default position transcends logic?