lertee:
Then the disintegrtion will have to be in pieces.
Ilorin alone cannot be moved out of kwara cos it is the largest in the state so anywhere ilorin goes,other prts of kwara follows unless they will be separated one by one and this will cause confusion.
The yorubas in kogi (aiyetoro,isanlu,iyara,and co will not have it easy.

PStylish:

Someone whose father AND MOTHER is Yoruba!

PAGAN 9JA:
...

PStylish:

Can your state of origin be both Kano and Lagos at the same time?

Father decides!

tpia@:


Dont mind these nl loudmouths.

isnt it interesting the ones with the severest inferiority complex and who spend their lives chasing non-yoruba women, begging them for sex and lord knows what, are the same ones who are the loudest bigots trying to form rubbish?

these same people secretly fraternize with the non-yorubas they say they disdain!

PStylish:

Can your state of origin be both Kano and Lagos at the same time?

Father decides!

macof:
The person u intending to attack with ur words isn't even Yoruba

And u are nt making sense, ur post has nothing to do with this thread

PStylish:

Why do we like making life complicated for ourselves?

The last time I checked, there is no ethnic nationality in Nigeria called 'mixed'.

My grandparents were from the same towns, my parents were from the same state, my wife is from the SW.
Can you see the trend?

Is your father a Nigerian? You are a Nigerian.
Is your father Hausa? You are Hausa!

Chikena!!

PStylish:

Why do we like making life complicated for ourselves?

The last time I checked, there is no ethnic nationality in Nigeria called 'mixed'.

My grandparents were from the same towns, my parents were from the same state, my wife is from the SW.
Can you see the trend?

Is your father a Nigerian? You are a Nigerian.
Is your father Hausa? You are Hausa!

Chikena!!

macof:
The person u intending to attack with ur words isn't even Yoruba

And u are nt making sense, ur post has nothing to do with this thread

PAGAN 9JA:


Father decides lineage but not purity.

An offspring of mixed descent is not Yoruba regardless. HE is half-caste.

In all truth, the paternal lineage in tribes was originally implied to denote clan lineage.

However these days, people are applying it even to inter-tribal marriage, which is against tribal norms as was in the past.

If paternal lineage was extended outside tribes, then our tribes would be extinct by now. Our ancestors knew better.

If you are mixed, you are mixed. You are not tribal anymore.

How else do yyou think the whites lost their tribes? Through Intermarriage.

birdman:

I took several swipes actually . but yeah, its a forum and we all are just throwing ideas out there, which is a good thing. I admit I could have been more "diplomatic"



I had a back-and-forth with Jarus on this same issue in the past. I will admit I have run into Ilorin Yoruba who are culturally Northern. No offense to Jarus, but in every case you could tell there had been some sort of foreign mind transplant, kind of like black latinos who will rather identify with white latinos against african americans even though they are constantly at the bottom of the ladder.

In any case though, the overwhelming population is Yoruba. If there is any concern about them, it would be that their being muslim makes them tolerate hausa/fulani bullsh*t when they should not. But you could make the same arguments for Yoruba christians and the west.

We cannot build a true nation without a strong moral foundation. If we dismiss our brothers without a fair shot, we introduce the seed of division that will eventually consume us. In a free, fair referendum, Ilorin is solidly southwest.



I think CyberG put it better than I could. Lets not allow political and economic convenience to trump values.

tpia@:


for the record, half caste is half black and half white, indian, chinese, iranian, and so on.

inter tribal marriage is different from being mixed tribe.

your grouse is with inter tribal marriage (go and preach to those in support of it btw)

in what way would paternal lineage be extended outside tribes?

you are from whatever tribe your father is, meaning if your father for whatever reason, decides to have kids with a woman from anywhere, the kids are from his tribe unless they dont know who their father is, or they prefer to identify with their mother's place (this is considered a slight of sorts on the father, as in there might be bad blood between the father and mother or the child was born out of wedlock).

sorry to burst your bubble, thats not how it works in nigeria.

maybe in your area thats how you define tribe?

most tribes in nigeria have myths and legends linking them to a region outside the country. Therefore your point is moot.

through globalization and migration. Intermarriage does not lead to loss of tribes unless there is no strong attachment to the culture to begin with, which is what happens with migration.

PStylish:

Why do we like making life complicated for ourselves?

The last time I checked, there is no ethnic nationality in Nigeria called 'mixed'.

My grandparents were from the same towns, my parents were from the same state, my wife is from the SW.
Can you see the trend?

Is your father a Nigerian? You are a Nigerian.
Is your father Hausa? You are Hausa!

Chikena!!

PAGAN 9JA:


stop mixing race with ethnicity. very illiterate thing to do.

anyone of mixed blood/mixed ethnicity is half-caste.

Inter tribal marriage leads to children of mixed tribe.However when a person is of mixed tribe, that person is not tribal anymore.If you have a kid through intertribal marriage, the kid has to balance 2 cultures. Then the kid marries from another tribe and his offspring has to balance 3-4 cultures.
By the 3rd generation, the tribe will be extinct

tpia@:


Half caste is mixed race ,not mixed tribe. Are you nigerian?

The products of intertribal marriage are the fathers tribe, dont know why i have to keep explaining this to you, either you're not nigerian or else perhaps your tribe migrated from somewhere and thus dont know much about the country

Even when a couple is from the same tribe, the offspring will still go with the father's lineage, not the mother's, unless the father is unknown or on bad on bad terms with the mother.

PAGAN 9JA:


stop mixing race with ethnicity. very illiterate thing to do.

anyone of mixed blood/mixed ethnicity is half-caste.





You are just arguing for the sake of it.

Inter tribal marriage leads to children of mixed tribe.



In the past, this was only applied to clans inside tribes. Therefore todays Ethnic groups have retained their purity, for now.

However when a person is of mixed tribe, that person is not tribal anymore.

Or else are you telling me that todays europeans have tribes as well?






The Federal Republic of Nigeria has nothing to do with the way of the tribes.

Nigeria is a 60yr old nation whereas our tribes date 1000s of years back.

Just because things are going sh!t it doesnt mean things were always so.




These myths and legends were mostly propagated by anti-tribal elements (christianity/islam).

All these myths and legends tend to promote an Arab/middle-eastern origin.

Foreign religion is a black spot on tribal policy.





We all know what happened to the europeans and Natives, dont we?

If you have a kid through intertribal marriage, the kid has to balance 2 cultures. Then the kid marries from another tribe and his offspring has to balance 3-4 cultures.

By the 3rd generation, the tribe will be extinct.


So please do not teach me, I've researched all means.

PAGAN 9JA:


Please stop bringing race into the discussion.

We are tribals. Your foreign notion of skin colour and other physical features do not matter.

What matters is genetics.

A Fulani person for example, has nothing to do with a Zulu person.

Do you understand English?

Nigeria is a recently formed Nation. What happens in Nigeria today does not determine the ways of the tribes. It is not like anything good is happening today.

Why do you think intertribal marriage is generally frowned upon?

tpia@:
let me modify my post since while YOU are just playing and fooling around with the subject matter, it actually is more personal to many.

did somebody say fulani and zulu are the same?

my posts are in the context of ethnicity, you are simply trying to be sneaky with your intentional misinterpretation of certain terms.

half caste does not apply to mixed tribe because its used in a colour related context, not an ethnic one.

you wont reinvent the wheel dear.

do YOU understand english?

when i say nigeria, i'm referring to the ethnicities which make up nigeria, or are you doubting their existence too?

is it on nl that intertribal marriage is frowned on or where?

not sure i even have time for all this blah you're posting, you need to save your energy for the myriads of pro-inter whatever relationships wey full here, i dont see you addressing any of them?

alj harem: lertee is a troll really

@ Op you are absolutely correct not only about Kwara or even Illorin in particular but also Kogi west/central and delta west.

The truth is that Illorin people are not enlightened about their history and have been brain-washed for years but fulanis. I met someone was called himself/herself fulani and it took me an hour to convince and tell the person why Islam DOES NOT EQUATE TO BEING A FULANI. He/she is Yoruba, speaks yoruba (although halfyorubafulani father and halfyorubafulani mother). A very interesting mix I said to myself. This person is from the ilorin caliphate quite alright but I gave the person history and actually convinced the person why his/her kids are yoruba.

They speak Hausa,Fulani and Yoruba in the house quite fluently but their lifestyle is yoruba. I believe if I can convince such a person then it is possible to educate a minority of them. Although NO ONE SHOULD FORCE ANYONE. IF THEY ARE MORE YORUBA OR MORE FULANI LET THEM BE anything but IGBO is fine by me JK jk jk just let them be

note: apologise for not specifying the gender cus the person knows me

mandarin:



There is no reason Yoruba cannot be mix blood with other races! Yoruba that are married to Igbo or many married to Hausa in the north, thos married to Europeans or Hispanic etc are all Yoruba. If Saraki claimed Fulani he was right and if he claimed Yoruba he would be right also because his roots touches both sides.
If a referendum is held today that whole state will vote to be with their kinsmen against all postulations and cunning adverts of many here because blood is thicker than water!
I must state that its not just Ilorin even other areas of Yoruba land have mixed population and places like Pategi ,Mokwa and the Gbagyi tribe in Niger state have cultural similarities with the Yoruba and the country may extend to Igala and even in a federal system it could include the Urhobo.
Have you heard of an adage that sas 'what an elder can see sitting ,a child cannot see it from the top of Iroko tree'