macof:


why don't you face me directly? ever since I asked for proof to ur ridiculous claims you've been hating on me is such proof of the name of the geneticis that discovered Euriasian gene in Yoruba so hard to furnish? btw you keep saying I know nothing of the Igbo Apparently I know better than you - who claims Hebrew origin of the Igbo without evidence or any sort of compelling proof just wishful thinking

I love culture and history that includes the Igbo's so this quite different from the case of somegirl1 who doesn't care about the yoruba yet comments on what she knows nothing about calling it insane myth

how can one appreciate what he doesn't understand or wish to understand?

walexy30:


I always enjoy your arguments. Are you a lawyer?

ANAMBRA11:
shatap mumu yorubas want to be igbo more than vice versa, in lagos most good looking yoruba girls re being called omo ibo

macof:


did I ever tell you anything like igbo came from here or there to suggest me claiming an authority, it's you claiming an authority on Igbo and yoruba. .I asked simply for proof of your claims if you can't then you have nothing to say
Igbo history is part of world History, everybody can ask questions and contribute, if you were not aware be so now
you were the one that brought up hebrews here, the person you were even quoting showed little interest in what you were talking about

pls don't insult yourself with the bold again
I should be asking you to provide academic backup for such claims
but that would be a waste of time, as the very Ugbo people are known today as the Ilaje
I'd like to see you prove that the Ilaje aren't the Ugbos bt the Igbo of SE Nigeria are

walexy30:

so long i have enough knowlegde about them.

Ihuomadinihu:

Lol,am not on nairaland to please anyone. I saw you defensive and spiteful responses to her claming she knows nothing about yoruba. I mentioned it was a familiar habit of yours,where you free to garivant on non yoruba issues which you know nothing about. And the moment someone talks about your culture,she or he is labelled a dunce. Just like you sleep on Igbo threads,let Igbos also sleep on this one without calling them ignorant.
Igbo is world history,yes! But i far as i know you've only been a troll on igbo threads,contributing more confusion than solution.

macof:


pls we have aaddressed this... move on if you have something else to say rather than going in circles

the person you are defending already admitted her ignorance and lack of interest on yoruba matters. .. whereas I have much interest in Igbo matters
as to me being a troll,I can only say you don't know far enough

lezz:
You seem more hurt than the people against whom your anger is directed.

All this literary drama of strong emotions for just an article of who settled where first....

If you are Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa or any other Nigerian tribe, I am sorry to inform you that we are bound to stick together like stink on shiit. That's our fate and our strength. You should know that if you aren't putting on tribal blinders.

But we can avoid making it our biggest weakness too.

If not for the great diversities and ethnic varieties of great peoples that call Nigeria home, we just might have been one insignificant West African country.

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I save my venom for foreigners on NL talking crap about Naija, never with a man who share a common history with me.

Radoillo:
Even the most ridiculous-sounding oral tradition often contains a kernel of historical truth. The historian needs only understand that the language of oral traditions could be highly poetic, allegorical and symbolic. Then begins the work of decoding and interpretation.

nisai:
That' wise of u my brother.I have been following u on nairaland and i can tell your last paragraph is the truth.You have been my hero when it comes to whooping the southies and ghanaians asses.Permit me to say this-You are a patriot.

lezz:
You seem more hurt than the people against whom your anger is directed.

All this literary drama of strong emotions for just an article of who settled where first....

If you are Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa or any other Nigerian tribe, I am sorry to inform you that we are bound to stick together like stink on shiit. That's our fate and our strength. You should know that if you aren't putting on tribal blinders.

But we can avoid making it our biggest weakness too.

If not for the great diversities and ethnic varieties of great peoples that call Nigeria home, we just might have been one insignificant West African country.


I save my venom for foreigners on NL talking crap about Naija, never with a man who share a common history with me.

lezz:
Thanks Bro!!! most Nigerians just don't know what destiny and providence has bequeathed on Nigeria. It is a frightening and amazing responsibility and influence for the entire continent. South african government understands this more than Nigerians. Ghanaians are historically jealous with misplaced pride.

that is why i do not take part in tribal wars anywhere. it serves no purpose and WE REALLY CANNOT BREAK UP ANYMORE.

the united states of America has been the military, cultural, entertainment , sports and economic super power for decades now because of her cultural diversity and population.

if our government follow the right part, we have the diversity and human resources to be the most feared and prosperous country not only in Africa but among the top 10 countries in the world.

nisai:
You nailed it! I wish the people singing secession could assimilate this as well.Thanks for the reply.

logica:
Apparently some Igbos are eager to fit into the Yoruba narrative and history; even if it means they are referred to as "bush people".

igbodefender:


Good question, Sir. Take the then Igbo Kings of Ife, the Obatala for instance. One of their titles was Obi Osere Igbo. Now, let us analyse the title Obi Osere Igbo. The Obi part of the title is undeniably an Igbo royal title, as in Obi of Onitsha, Obi of Otolo, Nnewi, etc., etc., etc.

The Osere part of the title has a deep priestly significance in Igbo Land. For example, in the Igbo kingdom of Ogwuta in Imo State, their priests have inherited the title Osere. In Ogwuta, the Osere is the Chief Priest of the Owu Institution. (Does the word Owu ring a bell?. Don't say no o.)

Okay, let's continue with our analysis of the Oba Igbo's title, Obi Osere Igbo.

The last part of the title Igbo is self explanatory. If one should translate that Obatala title from Igbo to English, it would simply mean Priest King of the Igbo. Mind you, ancient Igbo Kings like the King of Nri, where the aboriginal Igbo of Ife originated according to History of the Igbo World by Prince Charles Offokaja were and are priest kings.

Even Catherine Acholonu, whom you despise, told us of a trip she took to Cuba, where she saw a statue of Obatala built by Afro Descendants (probably from Ife) in which the following phrase was inscribed Obatala, King of the Igbo Nation. This phrase is so insightful that I will repeat it, Obatala, King of the Igbo Nation. These and other facts are documented in the book, History of the Igbo World, which you can purchase at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K4AIUO8 at a very affordable price. In fact, if you had read the book, you wouldn't have asked me such an easy question. Oga, bring difficult questions na.

igbodefender:
Scholars should do more DISPASSIONATE research on Igbo places like Ugbodu, Onitsha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugbokko Araba, Ogba, Egbeda, all in the Igbo speaking areas of Nigeria (Igboland). What are their mysterious linkages to their present day Yoruba namesakes? For instance, why is their Ogba in both Lagos (Eko) and in the Igweocha (Port Harcourt) area of Rivers State?

igbodefender:
The above quote was a responce to ImperialYoruba on this issue in another thread. The Igbo (Lucumi) were no doubt the aborigines of Ile Ife. That does not detract from the glory of the great Yoruba People.

lawani:
THERE WAS A TIME IGBO AND YORUBA WERE ONE BEFORE THEY SPLIT BUT THE MECCAN ODUDUWA CAME AFTER ISLAM!. THAT IS A VERY RECENT ARRIVAL. THE MOREMI STORY HAPPENED AFTER IFE WAS RELOCATED TO THE PRESENT AREA FROM ELSEWHERE, SO THE UGBO PEOPLE UNDER THE OLU IGBO WERE TROUBLING THEM JUST LIKE PALESTINIAN TROUBLE JEWS TODAY! THOUGH ALL WERE THESAME IFE PEOPLE BUT THE OLU IGBO RECOGNISED A MORE ANCIENT IFE THAT HAD GONE UNDER, SO IT TOOK THEM SOME TIME TO GET USED TO THE NEW PEOPLE MASQUERADING AS IFES!. SO THEY RAIDED THEM AS WOULD BE EXPECTED! THAT IS THE STORY!.

WE DONT KNOW WHEN YORUBAS AND IGBOS SEPARATED BUT IT CAN NOT BE LESS THAN 3 TO 5 THOUSAND YEARS AGO!. I WILL SAY IT WAS BEFORE THE TIME OF OGUN ALARA BECAUSE IGBOS DONT SACRIFICE DOGS BUT NOT BEFORE OGUN ONIKOLA SINCE IGBOS PERFORM CIRCUMCISION ON MALES. IT MAY BE BEFORE ORUNMILA TOO. THE FIRST ALARA WAS ORUNMILA'S SON. YORUBA CALENDAR IS 10060 THIS YEAR, LET US JUST SAY THE FIRST FIVE THOUSAND YEARS PROBABLY SAW YORUBAS AND IGBOS AS ONE PEOPLE. THAT IS MY SUBMISSION

OPCNAIRALAND:


Could this just be a theory, or is there a convincing markers that you can inject to make it factual and conclusively historical?

OPCNAIRALAND:


Could this just be a theory, or is there a convincing markers that you can inject to make it factual and conclusively historical?

igbodefender:
Scholars should do more DISPASSIONATE research on Igbo places like Ugbodu, Onitsha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugbokko Araba, Ogba, Egbeda, all in the Igbo speaking areas of Nigeria (Igboland). What are their mysterious linkages to their present day Yoruba namesakes? For instance, why is their Ogba in both Lagos (Eko) and in the Igweocha (Port Harcourt) area of Rivers State?

ODVanguard:


Bro, I think it's safe to say that Mr. Lawani's theories are based on speculation without any hard evidence as I doubt there's any oral, written or documented evidence to prove what he's saying hence his usage of words like "it cannot be less than 3-5 thousand years ago". Na mere speculation. It's like saying all black people ultimately come from the same single source. That is only logical anyhow, but yet doesn't change the fact that Igalas and Zulus are different from Yorubas today.

lawani:


BASED ON LINGUISTICS AND DNA, IGBOS AND YORUBA WERE ONE PEOPLE BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY BRANCHED OFF AND MERGED WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS, SAME APPLIES TO YORUBA AND NUPE. THE YORUBA ANCESTORS WERE PROTO NUPOID TO AN EXTENT, SAAKI WAS THE ROYAL GREETING BEFORE KABIYESI AND IT IS STILL USED BY NUPES, WE HAVE IGBO ITAPA IN ILE IFE AND ITAPA MEANS NUPE. OUR GREETING E KU IS A NUPE GREETING BUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH IGBO IS SOMEHOW SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE DONT SHARE BORDERS WITH THEM.

MGBALA IS AGBALA COURTYARD
GIRIPA IS DIMKPA ADULT MALE
MGBA IS IGBA TIME
OKA IS OKA MAIZE
ATUPA IS ATUPA LAMP
EWU IS EWURE GOAT
EKWENSU IS ESU ORISA FOR RATIONALITY
OSA IS THIEF LIKE OLOSA
THERE ARE MANY MORE
IF ANYTHING IS BASIC, IT IS WORDS LIKE ESU, OKUTA, AGBALA ETC AND THEY ARE SAME IN IGBO. SO THERE IS NO DOUBT AT ALL THAT SOME OF THEIR ANCESTORS WERE THESAME AS YORUBA ANCESTORS. NO DOUBT AT ALL AND GIVEN THE DIFFERENCE IN CULTURE AND SOCIETAL ORGANISATION, WHAT CAUSED THE SEPARATION IS OBVIOUS ENOUGH AND THAT IS IGBO ANCESTORS WERE IFE PEOPLE WHO REFUSED TO ACCEPT KINGS OR PAY TAX TO ANYONE. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN REBELS. SO WHOEVER WAS KING THEN SAID 'IF THAT IS HOW THEY WISH TO LIVE, LET THEM BE!'. THAT TO ME IS OBVIOUS ENOUGH. SO THE FIRST IGBOS LEFT THE CITIES TO GO AND LIVE IN SMALL NON VIOLENT SELF SUBSISTENCE GROUPS WITH SETTLEMENT NEVER EXCEEDING 2000 IN POPULATION FOR EASY ADMINISTRATION IN THE VILLAGE SQUARE BY ALL.

OPCNAIRALAND:


If you do a comparative of words between Yoruba and other ethnics within Nigeria you will no doubt arrive at commonality with people as far as Kanuri and as well to Ijaw and Adamawa, in addition to Igbo and Nupe.

Yoruba share word commonality with Romans and even Egypt and Hebrew. These are all on the surface. Go beneath the surface and extract markers that tie Yoruba to Igbo and share with us.

lawani:


We speak modern Kemitic Egyptian laced with words from surrounding languages like Igbo, Nupe, Edo and etc. Maybe over 60 percent of our words were used in Kemitic Egypt of 5000 years ago and we construct sentences thesame way. This our language was not spoken here 5000 years ago. I believe it would be a proto Akoko Edo Igbo that was one language. Our own there was Akoko and part of Akoko is Nupoid. It was on the Akoko that Egyptian was superimposed by new arrivals from Egypt. We still have some Akoko. Before Egypt, I would say the Yoruba were proto Nupoid in culture because of royal greetings and festivals in Ife. They probably were not so in language. The Hausa too may have been proto Nupoid in culture even language. The Hausa language too is new and different by having gender. I am still researching.

Igbos are cutoff from Yorubas but still use atupa, agbala, oka, esu as ekwensu and etc. Apparently they branched off and merged with a new group having another language just like the Akokoids merged with Egyptians. Just a weak opinion for now

http://obamaandpeace..nl/2010/03/oduduwa-and-yoruba-revolution-in-world.html?m=1

Probz:


Some people would say that Yorubas are cut-offs from Igbos since Nri civilisation is the oldest in southern Nigeria. Don't chat.