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Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by brilapluz(m): 2:56am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Our brothers go on and on that if we say the law is abolished, why then do we still speak of giving to charity at all, show love etc since they are all in the law. we'll answer by painting this scenario. Assume my brother works in office A and he resumes for work at 8am. He works there for 4 years then gets a better paying job at office B where resumption time is also 8am. Whose rules is he obeying when he resumes at the new office B at 8am? The rules of office A? Of course NO!!. Its only a coincidence that both offices share the same resumption time. He’s effectively obedient to the constitution of the new office B. so it is with our Christian life. If we do things with similarities in the law, it's simply a good coincidence. We DO NOT LOOK to the law for leading. We look to the spirit. The death of Jesus on the cross and his resurrection brought in a better hope, a better testament hence a better constitution. He is the end of the Mosaic law We don’t look to the law for lessons on love, There’s teaching on love all over the epistles of the apostles. We don’t look to the law to get lessons on mercy because mercy is an offshoot of love and once again, we have teachings on love by Christ which was repeated in all the epistles of the apostles. Love for my parents makes me honour them, not Mosaic law or are my brothers saying they wouldn’t love and honour their parents if not for Mosaic law? Love is the fulfilling of the law and it’s the one commandment that Christ left for his disciples. 1 Like |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Goshen360(m): 5:11am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Joagbaje: Joagbaje said this on the main discussion thread. Do we need to quote the Almighty Pastor Christ tithe statement to Joagbaje to validate or deny Pastor Chris statement of using fear to teach tithe to Christians even though same Joagbaje validating Pastor Chris teaching that the Law was abolished? Also, do we need to quote to Joagbaje what Pastor Kun: 2 Likes |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Nobody: 5:31am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Are we still here..? Thread closed!!! Everyone go home. 4 Likes |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(m): 12:37pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
I think this is a SOLID point: Mark Miwerds: In other words, the only to interpret Exodus 32 correctly is to read it in context. Realizing that God gave a command to the Levite at that time; a command that does not apply to everbody. Therefore it is not wrong to see the context in which God's command are giving in scripture; thus we have Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Impeccable! 3 Likes |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by brilapluz(m): 2:02pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: I think this is a SOLID point: lol..was about quoting that part from Mark Miwerds's post when i saw yours...indeed all scriptures are gud and valuable but not all are meant to be practiced by 2day's believers...tanx drummaboy 4 dese threads..God bless U all... 1 Like |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by nora544: 2:18pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
http://www.tithingdebate.com/ on this side you could get some free books about tithing http://www.cultwatch.com/howpastorsgetrich.html and that is why many nigerian pastors preach about tithing |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by brilapluz(m): 4:27pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
FROM MARK,VERY IMPORTANT LESSON TO ALL... Luke 10:3-8 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(m): 6:47pm On Jan 08, 2014 |
I saw this book "Eating Sacred Cows" on a website Nora54 put up on a post. Here is a free download: http://www.tithingdebate.com/EatingSacredCowsDownload.pdf It brings the whole tithe matter to a head. Rather than rehearsing the many and sometimes worn out arguments by anti-tithers, it shows the tithe matter in a clear and easy to read discuss. I recommend it for anyone who want to learn more on the biblical tithe. 1 Like |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by PastorKun(m): 7:02pm On Jan 08, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: I saw this book "Eating Sacred Cows" on a website Nora54 put up on a post. Here is a free download: Can't seem to open the link from my mobile is it possible you post extracts from the site here? |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(m): 7:10pm On Jan 08, 2014 |
Pastor Kun: Its PDF; maybe that is the reason why you cannot open it. I will get extracts right away on the next posts. |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(m): 7:21pm On Jan 08, 2014 |
I am having difficulty copying and pasting the text. It seem that is the way this PDF file I have is designed; so it will be impossible to copy and paste. Or is there a way around it? |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(m): 6:49pm On Jan 09, 2014 |
If anyone is looking for the works that Abraham did, which Jesus commended, you will find it here:
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Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(m): 7:36pm On Jan 09, 2014 |
Still on the book Eating Sacred Cows, there is a point made about tithing in that book which I have never heard anywhere. It came under the title A Punishing Tithe. Because I cannot copy and paste it the text here, I will endeavor to summarize what the author was saying: Taking his text from 1 Samuel 8 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots... 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants... He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants... 19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us The author begins by showing that there is a tithe in the Old Testament that God warned his people against. In a sense that tithe was going to be something they will practice when they disobey him, and it will be a sign of his judgement on them: The Punishing Tithe. God said that whenever they will eventually get a king, this king will turn their children to slaves; he take a tenth of their harvest: seed of the ground and livestock; etc. This will come as a result of this people rejecting God as their king and seeking to be like other nations by having a king over them. The author showed that this Punishing Tithe is what the religious churches collect today. God's arrangement for his church was to have all believers to be priests. If they will have leaders at all, it will be in special ministries to build the church unto maturity. When the church rejects God's ideal and seek to be like other religious bodies, then we will have the Priestly/Laity division. It will then transcend to the need to erect building and maintain them. These priests whom our religiosity demand, will then become kings unto us as Samuel prophesied. To maintain their lifestyle they will turn God's people to slaves and demand a tithe of their income. We will see this extend to the point where some are revered as Pastor and considered untouchable. Like kings they will live like royalty all at the expense of the people. ETC. The author showed that this was the mentality that began the tithe doctrine in the 6th century and it is what still sustains it today. The signature on Goshen360's post reads: "False prophets are God's judgement on our lust". Or tithing is God's judgement on our religiosity. So very apt. I will encourage that you read the read the text on page 40 after downloading the book. 2 Likes |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by trustman: 10:47pm On Jan 09, 2014 |
What Image123 & partner need to understand is that ANY part of the Bible has to be rightly divided, in other words rightly interpreted, for a CORRECT APPLICATION to be made from it. There is a popular story of a person who wanted to know the mind or will of God by using a system of (1) opening at random a page of the bible, (2) placing his hand wherever, and (3) taking the verse there as God’s directive for him. The story goes on to say that the first portion he opened was ‘and Judas went and hung himself’. Then the second portion he finger went to was ‘go and do likewise’. Now, if he were to literally go by his ‘system’ he should go and hang himself. But that would be regarded as foolishness by any objective thinker because no where in scripture tells us to seek God’s will by such ‘system’. Coming to their issue about Abraham and call for us to follow his example, a right approach would be to first know that Abraham was human (and the Bible never hid the weaknesses of even highly spiritual men like David, etc) the next thing would then be to seek to find out the same things that he did that we ought to do. How such part then lines up with other portions of scripture –particularly the New Testament – should then be examined before coming to a conclusion. If you make a blanket statement such as “If you were Abraham's children you would do what Abraham did” and then someone points out to you the THINGS Abraham did including the negative ones which by that statement should be followed and you begin to get EMOTIONAL then something is wrong somewhere. A clear understanding of this TITHING thing can only come from clearly reasoning out the scripture not by the emotions - emotions don't think, ever! It is always - line upon line, precept upon precept, a little here, a little there. 6 Likes |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by vooks: 4:48pm On Oct 16, 2014 |
Best thread I have read in eternities |
Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Franklinus: 7:40am On Jun 10, 2015 |
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