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Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Ngokafor(f): 2:22pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
apolonius: You are so right!...being 'just friends' with the male gender has never worked for me..right from the get-go.. They always want more than that at the end of the day... |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by apolonius(m): 2:22pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: I guess my reply to your other comment speaks to this. To live in denial of the fact that most men will insist on sex before marriage is the hypocrisy. For a start,if you are married can you,I ask trusting your sincerity as a christian, say you married as a virgin?If you are not married,are you a virgin? If the answer to either is no,then how do you reconcile that with your purist views here? 4 Likes |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by apolonius(m): 2:25pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Ngokafor: Thanks for illustrating my point with your experience. Thanks too for appreciating my points. We can theorize and take purist views on these issues,but the practical voice of reason will insist that the male attitude to the female is coloured with attraction than the 'innocent friendship' we are won't to impose on it. |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by ihedinobi2: 3:15pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
apolonius: apolonius: Here is the problem in your participation in this discussion. It is that your comments suggest that my arguments lack merit by dint of the fact that they do not accommodate reality. That is an indictment that I must respond to. You have replied as though I were arguing that most people do not believe in test-driving or that sexüal immorality is not popular in this generation. So everyone with a bias to test-driving who reads your comment and the undecided ones as well will perceive your arguments as sensible and thus confounding mine. This is an underhanded tactic because when I reply as I have done you reply both that you agree with me that chastity is a good thing and that you disagree with me that it is practical to expect it of the majority subtly entrenching the idea that both were my argument and making any further discussion with you difficult because it is all murky. I say again, I never argued about majority or popular opinion regarding chastity and test-driving. The argument was never about which was more popular but whether test-driving is right. Now if you think that it is, put forth your own reasons for thinking so and let us engage. My own reasons were expressed in the exchanges with Coogar. As for my virginity, you should read my posts before you quote them. That old one you responded to already answered you. Asking this question suggests that you did not examine the discussion adequately before answering them and that reflects poorly on your position on the issue and may explain why you are misconstruing the argument. 2 Likes |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by ihedinobi2: 3:18pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
apolonius: Is your problem the "purism" or "puritanism" of views here or the questions that such views attempt to answer? |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by apolonius(m): 3:25pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: What an unimpressive attempt to be right than acknowledge the flaws of your arguments. If it is so right for you to push me to repeat points I have made so clearly,why is it wrong for you to repeat the status of your virginity? My position has been clear in all my points that I do believe in test driving wholly and without apologies. I have also been clear in saying that those who are inclemently saying they don't believe in test driving before marriage but who have acknowledged that they have test driven are hypocrites. Why champion a position that your life evidently discredits? More than anything else,I have littered my points with an advice to those who say they don't believe in it that they always will run into serious challenges as the crowd of men who will be interested in them romantically and seriously happy to marry them will insist on test driving. And this insistence does not mean that they don't love them or are not serious about them. Are these elementary points so unclear to a mind so determined to champion a position than understand alternative views? 3 Likes |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by apolonius(m): 3:27pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: My problem is with people who champion positions that their life experience and original choices already make mockery of! |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by ihedinobi2: 3:38pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
apolonius:Finally. So you can say clearly now that you think that there are flaws in my argument. Good. Now the onus is on you to point them out. If it is so right for you to push me to repeat points I have made so clearly,why is it wrong for you to repeat the status of your virginity?What point have you made that pertains to the discussion you joined? My position has been clear in all my points that I do believe in test driving wholly and without apologies.I believe that was already obvious. I have also been clear in saying that those who are inclemently saying they don't believe in test driving before marriage but who have acknowledged that they have test driven are hypocrites. Why champion a position that your life evidently discredits?First off, this does nothing to prove that test-driving is right. It's only a whine about the life choices your opponent made. Second, there is no one here in this discussion who has claimed that test-driving is wrong who himself has test-driven. That puts your remark even further out of place in the discussion. Third, even if people have test-driven in the past and now stand against it, it is not an indictable offence. Moral persuasions change as life experience increases. Perspectives are altered by the results of various choices we make in life. Thus it is totally understandable and acceptable that people should change positions they previously held to espouse their opposite. More than anything else,I have littered my points with an advice to those who say they don't believe in it that they always will run into serious challenges as the crowd of men who will be interested in them romantically and seriously happy to marry them will insist on test driving. And this insistence does not mean that they don't love them or are not serious about them. Are these elementary points so unclear to a mind so determined to champion a position than understand alternative views?What relevance are these "positions" to the discussion you joined? The question that Coogar and I were engaged over was whether test-driving as a practice is right. How have you shown that it is or isn't? 1 Like |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by ihedinobi2: 3:40pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
apolonius: Then you joined the wrong discussion. Neither coogar nor I nor anyone else who discussed test-driving here was trying to answer a question about such people. |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by apolonius(m): 3:49pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: You have assumed in this reply that only Coogar and you have brought up issues and taken positions on this thread. This highlights a shortsightedness that 'bake' most of your points. Also,you are clearly picking and choosing what to respond to;you sieve out rubrics of essential points to subject to your limited lenses. Very many have contributed to this thread with anecdotes and life stories which some of my responses have been directed at,not your heavily jaundiced and hypocritical rants and chants. I suspect your determination to ridicule with a vesture of rationality will dictate a degeneration of this thread. I won't stoop to replying you anymore. I believe the thread is about shared thoughts and reasoned opinions from reflected hindsight, I am sure those who will find made points useful surely will. We can only wish those who know so much and are determined to be right than learn the very best. 2 Likes |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by ihedinobi2: 4:09pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
apolonius:Where did I make such an assumption? I have spoken exactly as though it were Coogar and I primarily that discussed test-driving here. Most other comments here responding to the issue were mainly to agree with one or other of us and reinforce some point or points one or the other made. Also,you are clearly picking and choosing what to respond to;you sieve out rubrics of essential points to subject to your limited lenses. Very many have contributed to this thread with anecdotes and life stories which some of my responses have been directed at,not your heavily jaundiced and hypocritical rants and chants.What law of discussion demands that you must respond to everything? Notwithstanding, feel free to point out what essential points I 'ignored'. I suspect your determination to ridicule with a vesture of rationality will dictate a degeneration of this thread. I won't stoop to replying you anymore.I think it is beyond question which of us came here on a mission to ridicule. I respecr your choice to disengage, it is yours to make. I believe the thread is about shared thoughts and reasoned opinions from reflected hindsight, I am sure those who will find made points useful surely will. We can only wish those who know so much and are determined to be right than learn the very best.I agree. 1 Like |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by christabeli: 7:51pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
apolonius:But I believe that you are the one who aim to ridicule. I read cooger's argument for test driving and it wasn't filled with so much energy, but yours apolonius:But I believe that you are the one who aim to ridicule. I read cooger's argument for test driving and it wasn't filled with so much energy, but yours.... You have your point though and I love it. |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by apolonius(m): 8:21pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
christabeli: But I believe that you are the one who aim to ridicule. I read cooger's argument for test driving and it wasn't filled with so much energy, but yours But I believe that you are the one who aim to ridicule. I read cooger's argument for test driving and it wasn't filled with so much energy, but yours.... You have your point though and I love it. I made my points for me,not Coogar. Thanks though. 1 Like |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Nobody: 10:29pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
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Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Nobody: 3:16pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
apolonius: Of what relevance is your first question? Just dey your lane. |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Nobody: 5:48pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
Very educative thread thought I knew it all before......
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Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Nobody: 5:41pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
dorosola: I just stumble on this thread yesterday and I couldn't help ma self but to read through every oda page......I love what baby mama 1 et al are doing God bless u. Sadly most of the thread was wiped out by the nairaland tsunami 1 Like |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Bluemetal: 6:03am On Sep 09, 2014 |
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Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Bluemetal: 6:05am On Sep 09, 2014 |
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Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by willyboss: 1:52pm On Dec 19, 2014 |
Stumbled on this thread one year ago and I've been following it eversince. Thanks to the originator i.e. Baby mama and others that made meaningful contributions. Seasons greetings to you all. |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by anumide(f): 9:09am On Dec 20, 2014 |
apolonius:if I used to steal and then stopped. Does preaching against stealing make a hypocrite? Sometimes, it is our experiences and their consequences that define our values, NT what we haven't done. If I go by your argument, hypocrisy is the synonym for humanity 2 Likes |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by Darteyyyy(m): 7:11pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
apolonius: Tis not really like that in all situations.... But sometimes the ladies send mixed feelings... You don't really even know where you stand. And with that comes attachment and with attachment comes different problems. me personally don't have a problem with my girlfriend having male friends... I trust her, tis the guy I don't trust. |
Re: Making Love & Raising A Family by bukatyne(f): 4:38pm On Feb 24, 2015 |
bukatyne: Almost two years... Have I repented from rationalizing.... Trying to oh! Not seeing things the same way sometimes.... getting better at that Just had to comment again |
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