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Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by kizyto(m): 12:38pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Ground zero: Dear Pastor,let's stop talking with full ignorance and talk academics here with facts. The catholic church is over 300years older than the bible we all read today. The catholic church gave the world the book that is called the bible. It was at the last council of Cathage held in 418AD presided over St.Augustine that Pope Gregory signed these compilations of books into law and from thence henceforth,it became a Christain archive. baba tuale |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Ukutsgp(m): 12:38pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by vascey(m): 12:38pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Sal C: Luke 1V48 said "all generations will call her blessed" It's just amazing how people have chosen to be blind about Mother Mary. All the verses are contained in their bible too. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by sylvok: 12:44pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
nwajoshua: Shut d Bleep up,,,you are blunt,blind,decieved,and inflated with false doctrine,,,mary was a vessel used and John said free u recieve and free u shall give...mary recieved d grace free of charge not of any effort of her own, afterall she already had a fiancee Joseph, although not like fiancee of nawadays, and later she got married and had children...if u say No.. wot do married pple do? They tie there hands and look at each other,, we are not made to honour marry instead d Bible said Honour d lord thy God...Mary is an Icon in d Bible but not to be moulded and honour, rember God is a jelous God.. Mary has been used to do a marvelous wk and God shuld be praised not mary,, are u mad ....sory.... pls be guidedBut you should honour tithe more than anything according to your pastor? If your pastor don't use these excuses on you they won't be able to get followers they will use to make money. If the issue of Mary has to do with making money, pastors would have defended it with every twist to ensure steady stream of income. Let the Catholics be they are better than Pentecostals as far as am concern. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by SalC: 12:45pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
femi4: Where in Mat 11 did God created Angels in his image?The moment Jesus took flesh and became man, he was lower than the angels but the moment he defeated death and ascended to take back his glory, he became a complete spirit being again and greater than the angels. When we too become family of God in the world to come, being completely transformed, we become higher than the angels and even judge the angels. But now we are still flesh and blood running the race to be crowned later, we are still. In that state where we are lower than the angels. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by God1stson(m): 12:45pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
[quote author=JENMAUCY]Dear fijiano,I dnt think there is need calling names here,you can believe or leave it because you are entitle to your own opinion...but the truth still remains that virgin mary is blessed,as the op said,go to luke 1:27_28,here the angel told her that she is favoured and blessed among women,remember its a message from God,and I know that the angel deliver the message the way the sender ask him to. Let's go futher to verse 40-42,elizabeth stil cal her blessed,because of what she felt i On point,whata about Rev:12 vs 17 |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Yungbitz(m): 12:47pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
JENMAUCY: Dear fijiano,I dnt think there is need calling names here,you can believe or leave it because you are entitle to your own opinion...but the truth still remains that virgin mary is blessed,as the op said,go to luke 1:27_28,here the angel told her that she is favoured and blessed among women,remember its a message from God,and I know that the angel deliver the message the way the sender ask him to. Let's go futher to verse 40-42,elizabeth stil cal her blessed,because of what she felt immediately she step into her home,it doesn't mean that the angel or elizabeth is worshiping her rather they apreciate what she accepted to do...or did you forget that heaven and earth await her answer after the angel have delivered the message? Yes heaven waits to hear her answer and in verse 38 she said behold am the handmaid of the Lord be it done to me according to thy word...do you know what it means? Even the angel can't leave without hearing her opinion on the message..then in verse 43 ,elizabeth asked her who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? My dear friends the angel $ elizabeth greeting makes up the hail mary you people hear today...hail mary full of grace the Lord is with you(angel..luk 1:28 )...blessed aree you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (elizabeth luk 1:42 ) then the catholic church taking a look @ what happened at canna in that wedding feast,the role mary played in that miracle that takes place there decides to ask for her intercession not praying to hher! If she can intercede when she is not asked ,what did you think will hapen when she is asked to? She talked to her son and he oblige her on earth even when he is not ready to perform..or do you think Jesus is not aware that the drink has finished? That is where holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and till the hour of our death....what else did u expect d angel to tel her?? Dat she was cursed 4 being d 1 2give birth to Jesus Every1 ws 1ce a virgin and jst lik every oda adult mary had a husband and equally gave birth to oda children afta Jesus...so if i make an image of jesus' father and genuflect,am stil rite and worshipin God?.... Lastly u av no idea hw mary look lik so dat tin u are genuflectin to is certainly nt mary |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Oyebee5(f): 12:50pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
@op,ur indirectly telln us dat d essnc of ur religion is honourin mary..mary a mortal,dat receivd favour honour 4rm God...she was a vessel dat was used 2 brng d human jesus...n am sure dat any1 cn b used by God....so ma qus is y den are u layn so much cliam on honourin mary n 4getn abt God?..all glory,honour,worshp n adoration mst b given 2 God nt mary |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by God1stson(m): 12:51pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Ladiva49: bobo,incase you werent tot,the bible referd to us as gods,yea! I am a god in the likeness of my father,the bigger God so weda you acept or not,angels are our messengers,meant to pass info,bear prayers and bring answres btn gods and GOD.Ye are gods,but u're lesser than d the angels psalm 8 vs 5 Ladiva49: bobo,incase you werent tot,the bible referd to us as gods,yea! I am a god in the likeness of my father,the bigger God so weda you acept or not,angels are our messengers,meant to pass info,bear prayers and bring answres btn gods and GOD.Ye are gods,but u're lesser than d the angels psalm 8 vs 5 Ladiva49: bobo,incase you werent tot,the bible referd to us as gods,yea! I am a god in the likeness of my father,the bigger God so weda you acept or not,angels are our messengers,meant to pass info,bear prayers and bring answres btn gods and GOD.Ye are gods,but u're lesser than d the angels psalm 8 vs 5 |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by kizyto(m): 12:51pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
dozai: menhh av reali learn a lot from dis post ,thnx jare |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Missonas(f): 12:54pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Wonderful write up Macellot.God bless you brother!Mother Dearest whilst I'm still pleading for your powerful intercessions I'm declaring here and now that I won't stop till I cease to be.Amen |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Atmosfear: 1:00pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
The Mary delusion continues. Her worshipers are rallying to defend her not Jesus. Chieftaincy title---queen of heaven sexual status------virgin transition---------assumed (or assumption!) This crown no too heavy for the statue head? 1 Like
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Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by femi4: 1:11pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Sal C: The moment Jesus took flesh and became man, he was lower than the angels but the moment he defeated death and ascended to take back his glory, he became a complete spirit being again and greater than the angels.That is where you got it wrong, you don't need to die to operaate in the spirit. That's why he said "ye are gods". We ve acquired such authority through him. Paul that did not even see Jesus face to face performed tremendous miracles by keying himself into the Authority "Whatever you allow on earth shall be allowed in heaven" Tell me an angel that can say "By my word, there won't be rain for 3 1/2 yrs" No, wonder, James saidJm 5) 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by kizyto(m): 1:11pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
chincent: Exodus 20 vs 4 to 5, am a legionary n d legion promise is a promise we make to d holy spirit (not to Mary) to help us in our struggle to bring salvation ( the good news of Jesus ) to d world under the umbrella of our mother Mary |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by bankyblue(m): 1:12pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Macelliot: People kept saying that, 'Catholics are worshipping Virgin Mary,' but I wants to prove them wrong. young man, point of correction, we human re greater than angels ok read ur BIBLE MORE! HEBREWS 1 VS 4. and again when u talk about something been mysterious am not that please with it>>>i just pray we all make HEAVEN |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by saintfaculty(m): 1:16pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
My Fellow Christians... I urge you guyz to Talk Less and Pray More... SILVER!!! |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by ksolo2: 1:22pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
JENMAUCY: Dear fijiano,I dnt think there is need calling names here,you can believe or leave it because you are entitle to your own opinion...but the truth still remains that virgin mary is blessed,as the op said,go to luke 1:27_28,here the angel told her that she is favoured and blessed among women,remember its a message from God,and I know that the angel deliver the message the way the sender ask him to. Let's go futher to verse 40-42,elizabeth stil cal her blessed,because of what she felt immediately she step into her home,it doesn't mean that the angel or elizabeth is worshiping her rather they apreciate what she accepted to do...or did you forget that heaven and earth await her answer after the angel have delivered the message? Yes heaven waits to hear her answer and in verse 38 she said behold am the handmaid of the Lord be it done to me according to thy word...do you know what it means? Even the angel can't leave without hearing her opinion on the message..then in verse 43 ,elizabeth asked her who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? My dear friends the angel $ elizabeth greeting makes up the hail mary you people hear today...hail mary full of grace the Lord is with you(angel..luk 1:28 )...blessed aree you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (elizabeth luk 1:42 ) then the catholic church taking a look @ what happened at canna in that wedding feast,the role mary played in that miracle that takes place there decides to ask for her intercession not praying to hher! If she can intercede when she is not asked ,what did you think will hapen when she is asked to? She talked to her son and he oblige her on earth even when he is not ready to perform..or do you think Jesus is not aware that the drink has finished? That is where holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and till the hour of our death....guy cme it z in d byble dat mak no img of me, nd also dz rmanz were d perccutorz of d xtianz nw we av dm as d largst church wt dr own doctrne. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Freddestiny(f): 1:23pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
I am an UNREPENTANT CATHOLIC if the protestant refuse to accept the BLESSED VIRGIN MARY please it is not by force and seriously for me i dont have the time to start explaining to prostestant who SHE is to the catholics because when we do, they start quoting bible all though we give them quotation from the same bible and they stand on their ground refusing to bulge. So protestant please salvation is personal s o continue in serving GOD and pray for us catholics since u all feel that we are not on right track and also pray for the holy spirit to direct us and you peopl should concentrate on your church and do the will of God |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by God1stson(m): 1:24pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
vislabraye:[color=#006600][quote author=vislabraye] Agreed with everything U said except calling the Op a fool. Mary did not remain a virgin after giving birth to Jesus. She mothered other children. As far as Jesus is coWHAT U SAID IS CONSISTENT WIT REV 12VS 17b "then d dragon was enraged at d woman and went off to make war agaist d rest of HER OFFSPRING -those who obey Gods commandement n hold to the testimony of Jesus.miracles are still happening in catholic church as it happens in protestant churches.God have reasons for making us com 4rm diff religious n biological backgroung.i 'm a catholic but i love RCCG, Christ emb,living faith.if u really undstand d bible u will knw dt we re one b4 God n d yard stick for his approval is agape lov 4 man n GOD. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by elbulk(m): 1:28pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Most times we loose focus...For every1 do what works for you as long as you believe its your gateway to God,none is superior to the other,we all seek God and when you do with truth you will find him,so whether or not you use a rosary...seek God the best way you know |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by nattyGENT: 1:34pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
....If 1 of the 10 commandments says, honour your "sinful father & mother" so that you'll live long, hmm! I wonder what the reward that follows for honouring the Holy Mary, mother of the Saviour of the world & a blessed virgin. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by PrettySpicey(f): 1:37pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
It really scares me each time I read about these debates concerning the Blessed Virgin Mary because I think to myself: 'here they go again, another way to expose Mary, the Mother of Jesus, Our Lord and God to ridicule, insults and total disregard and dishonour'. And indeed that is what happens. It is truly sad and thoughtless of us as Christians to have such little regard for the Mother of Him who we call Lord, God and Saviour. How do you guys do it? How do you feel doing it? How do you DARE speak so carelessly and thoughtlessly about the Virgin Mary without remembering She is the mother of your Lord and Master? Have any of you wondered how Jesus feels about this disregard and insults upon His mother? Have you? How many of you would dare insult GEJ's mother or Obama's mother or even your Pastor's and Church Leader's mothers? How many of you would do so? And continually bring them to ridicule? And how much comprehension do you really have of God if you truly believe that God would allow His Mother to be so ridiculed and welcome it? And maybe thank you for it? And again, you honour Prophets of old till tomorrow because you read that God honoured them first. But did you not read of how God honoured Mary - 'Hail, Full of Grace'. The word HAIL is used to salute Kings and Men of honour and valour. And for those of you who think that God will share the same route He used in coming into this world with any other (saying Mary had other children), you have true no comprehension of who God is. I want everyone of you to know that you are breaking Jesus' heart by dishonouring His Mother. But He understands because this is a battle set up by Satan. Think and Think real hard. And if you love Jesus, even if you have no understanding about the place of Mary in our Salvific history, give Her respect because She is the Mother of Jesus, your Lord and God. Do it for him. No one has yet asked you to pray the Rosary or even show any form of devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, but we as Catholics only ask and teach that She deserves honour and respect for Her role in the Mission of Salvation. A role She is still playing. Next time you have something nasty to say about Mary, remember you are about to say something nasty about Jesus' Mother. And if any of you will truly humble their hearts and ask God for enlightenment you might just learn a thing or two about Her. Finally, no need for panics and fears and fights, trust me, Jesus is not in any way whatsoever threatened by the honour and love accorded to His Mother. He honoured Her first and honours Her above all else. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by SalC: 1:41pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
femi4: That is where you got it wrong, you don't need to die to operaate in the spirit. That's why he said "ye are gods".Read V 8 of that chapter to see that when we became higher than the angels all things will also be subjected to us, but the later part of that verse made it clear that we are not incharge of everything yet. Therefore we are not greater than the angels yet. Verse 5 made it clear that that portion is talking about the world to come. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by SalC: 1:45pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
bankyblue:Heb 1V4 was talking about Jesus not you dear. Read again. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by vanvino(m): 1:52pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
when i say dat d One Problem with Christianity is d subjective interpretetion of d Bible....& dat d Bible is contradictory, i get so many attack, if u are 2sit & Analys it, many Will say dont read or Analyz D Bible 4rm human perspective fine, my question: our we Animal, Robot or Spirit, wat is our Brain/Mind meant 4? If we are 2follow it Blinely/Faith, oh yes i get it, let d Spirit interprete, yes bt there are Bad/evil &good/God, Spirit, they are all Spirit, how do u knw dat d interpretation u hav now is 4rm God, Devil, or ur conscience/Mind...most of u are Right in ur point of View Supported by Bible Passages, bt d Contradiction are Theire...look at Qur'an, since its Original form in Arabic is still there & potray diract & same Massage, in our own case,can we say d same wit all dis diff king James & Queen James Translation?....followd by diff partan/typs of Churches?..we need help, if nt Naitive Doctor may even mk Heaven while we ar here celebrating church Buildings |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by babsalux09(m): 1:55pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
GeneralShepherd: Why are you people fighting over imaginary friends and stories in a book written by Jewish cave men? and how do you come into existence?,and if you are gonna talk about a source...what created that source? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Malawian(m): 2:11pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
for those saying that Mother Mary had other children after Christ, i want to ask a question: why did Christ need a surrogate to take care of His mother when he was about to give up His Spirit on the cross? also, do you realize there is no separate word for "cousins" in the Hebrew language? that the same word used for "brothers" is also used for "cousins" what happened to the rest of "Christ's siblings" ? why couldn't they take care of their "mother" in the absence of Christ? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Cnachy(m): 2:15pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Nso-nso:Its written in the book of Hebrews 2:5-16. Read it. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Nobody: 2:18pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Matthew 13: 53-56 >> "(53) Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. (54) When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, "Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? (55) "Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And HIS BROTHERS JAMES, JOSES, SIMON AND JUDAS? (56) "AND HIS SISTERS, ARE THEY NOT ALL WITH US? Where then did this Man get all these things?" (GoodNews Bible) MY POINT >> Since Mary had other children with Joseph, through sexual-intercourse, would it be reasonable to continue calling her a virgin? Capital NO! Mark 3: 31 - 35 also made reference to his brothers. Concerning the issue of Mary being the mother of God >> Hebrews 2: 14 & 17 "Since all the children share the same blood and flesh, he too shared equally in it . . . It was essential that he should in this way become completely like his brothers." Would Jesus have been "completely like his brothers" if he had been a God-man while on earth? The belief of the "Mary the Mother of God" thing according to the Catholics would be true if two conditions are fulfilled: that she is really the mother of Jesus and that Jesus is really God. The Bible did say that Mary was the mother of Jesus, but did it say that Jesus is God Almighty (Isaiah 43: 10. . .)? Note that the expression "Mother of God" didn't even occur in the Bible (perhaps, yours may be paraphrased) Concerning the "Holy Mary" thingy >> Romans 5: 12 says "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, an thus death spread to all men, because ALL SINNED" Mary inherited sin and imperfection from Adam therefore she's a sinner just like you and I therefore calling her holy is blasphamey, take it or TAKE IT. Concerning prayers addressed to Mary >> John 14: 14. . . Addition >> Mary humbly accepted Jesus' correction at John 2: 3 & 4, would it have made sense for a God to correct his mother? No!. . . . 1 Like |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by 49cents(m): 2:29pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
First of all I don't like the title of this thread: "Bitter Truth" I understand where the OP is coming from but my dear that phrase sounds as if you wanna force something unpleasant down another's throat I still find it tragic and sad that people allow the writings and mere words of their religious leaders to make them stop the application of reason and commonsense in living out their God-given religious impulse when they can search on their own and verify things for themselves I can't understand why many who say that have an encounter Jesus still feel upset that His mother is being highly regarded; it only tells me how inadequate your Christian experience still is! If Christ is a daily experience for you then you won't have only high esteem for the Mother of Christ but all the great cloud of witnesses that have come to belief in the fact that that "Mystery" that made and sustains creation, that whom we call God, intervened in human history, in the Person of the man, Jesus of Nazareth! The issues I see here is a confusion of Faith, some posters objecting that Mary cannot be addressed as the Mother of God because Jesus himself is not God!!! Sorry sir you are not a Christian o! Christianity is not a religion of the book because Christianity (which is basically hinged on that God became Man in the person of Jesis, ultimately revealing Himself to Mankind as a fulfilment of His revelation with the Jewish people) is not about quoting and quoting scripture and end up confusing yourself and having no true faith in Jesus as God's revelation to Man; Did Peter quote the bible to convince anybody about the Messianic Mission of Jesus, definitely in trying to point out to his jewish contemporaries he quoted the Torah, Peter only announced what he has encountered; even Jesus did the same when He quoted the Prophet Isiah when He declared that "the Spirit of the Lord was upon me and He has sent me to bring Liberation to prisoners....." The Truth about Jesus is communicated from person to person through the Working of the Holy Spirit, not by arguments and logic! I risk deviating from the issue of this thread so I stop here! Mary is a believer in the Divinity of her own Son, whom she took care of as any mother would take care of her baby; that Woman saw so many things that many of us did not and still run our mouths without a thought! Things that made her "pomder in her heart" as the gospels put it As each of us are born to fulfil a task in this world, her task was extra-extra special thus God prepared her exceptionally to conceive, bear and nurture Christ, the Son Of God, True God from God, Light from Light, con-substantial with the Father, not made, He who through all things were made; yet she had the freewill to say No to the great call of God on her life and she said Yes, with all the humility she could muster: "Behold the Handmaid of the Lord, be it done to me according to thy word" and thus gave the world its Redeemer!" Mary was not a surrogate mother and baby-sitter to Jesus, She is a woman of great Faith who, Elizabeth praised by saying "Blessed are you who believed that what the Lord promised you would come to pass". And sharp-sharp this gorgeous woman would re-direct honour to God when she said "My soul glorifies the Lord who has done great things for me, my spirit rejoices in the Lord my Saviour".......and she even foretold that under the unction of the Holy Spirit " that all Generations shall call me blessed" .....if you wish keep on resisting the Spirit by not acknowledging and honouring the Mother of the Redeemer!!! It was at an Owambe at Cana, when the drinks ran out suddenly, Through her absolute Faith in her Son, she even "compelled" Jesus to work His very first Miracle which signalled the beginning Jesus' Messianic Ministry! A mysterious dialogue would ensue between Jesus and His Mother, for a moment we thought Christ would ignore her request appearing so banal but she went ahead and told the servants to 'do whatever he tells you" (note the confidence, she knows her Son would never refuse her nothing!!!) Later Six stone jars were filled with water by the stewards at Jesus' command and the water blushed at His command into premium wine...... If you truly know Jesus as the Love of your life and as the Light of your world, if you know Him as the Joy of your heart and as that presence that completes and fulfils your human structure for happiness and freedom you would not be able not to regard and thank not only Mary for saying Yes to God, you would salute her great courage for risking her life of being stoned to death for concieving outside wedlock and her trust that God will take control Christianity is not about buying Jeep and shouting praaaaaaaaaaaaaise the Looooooord in your church (God blesses all of His children Atheists and all!) or mot dying until you are a 140 years or dealing with witches and casting imaginary demons..... Can we dare to ask, seek and knock for more? |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by SalC: 2:36pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Cnachy:That portion said we are lower than the angels, but in the world to come we will be greater than them. |
Re: Bitter Truth About Blessed Virgin Mary by Ukutsgp(m): 3:01pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: Other lies. |
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