Ground zero: Dear Pastor,let's stop talking with full ignorance and talk academics here with facts. The catholic church is over 300years older than the bible we all read today. The catholic church gave the world the book that is called the bible. It was at the last council of Cathage held in 418AD presided over St.Augustine that Pope Gregory signed these compilations of books into law and from thence henceforth,it became a Christain archive.

When Martin Luther King,the father of Penticostalism,a German,that formed The Lutherian Church,felt the holy spirit was upon him,he altered some versions and books in the complete bible. He argued mathematically(stupidly) that the Glory of God had departed from Israel as of the time he calculated with his miniature brains the books of Meccabees,Tobith etc was written. He sited the birth of Eckabod in the bible,that means the Glory of God had departed from Israel. The scripture said of God,My spirit shall Never depart from you,o Israel until the end of time. To cut this long story short,When Martin Luther King wanted to die,while on his dying bed,he made a remark that was in record ..OH,MY GOD,FORGIVE ME FOR I HAVE MISLEAD MANY. These were men that twisted the word of the scripture to suite their life styles. They omitted the Purgatory aspect of the Bible and many other things. That is why when people especially some of these uninformed pastors and their ardent followers say things like The Catholics don't read the bible,I wonder their level of ignorance. Or when they say THESE ONE IS A CATHOLIC BILBLE. I laugh at such wave of ignorance. Both the bible your pastors use in the church and the one you put under your pillow are Catholic product. It was St.Jerome of the Catholic extraction that compiled the bible from Genesis unto Revelation and Guthenberg,the German Printer,printed the bible in his factory,a Catholic. So,I wonder,who is the greatest and who understands the bible better? The builder or the house built?

Many good number of these Protestant church's doesn't even know the origin of these things they read and call bible. It took the Mother church over 300years to compile,edit,proof read,harness,omit and suggest before we signed into law and today you can boost that St.Paul said this and Timothy and Revelation said these and that without even knowing who took sleepless nights to bring these together.

Finally,Jesus Christ is God. For the sake of clarity,God is not a Name. It's an office these Supreme beings occupy. That's the English word that many of us don't understand. When you say THE PRESIDENCY SAID....It's either Ruben Abati,Pius Anyim,Arch Namadi Sambo etc. that's the office they occupy.The Presidency. The God persons are enclaved in the word.. THE BLESSED TRINITY. THREE IN ONE GOD. A mystery that is beyond your comprehension. For instance,a man begets a man. A lion begets a lion. My names is not a man. My Dad begot me. My Dad is a man and begot me,a man. My own name is Nonso. God begets a God. His name is Jesus. The personality they assume is called God just as the personality we assume is called humans. Ok now,more clearly put,am an Igbo man. The word,God, in my dialect spells CHINEKE. It means The CREATOR. Did Jesus not creat together with God the Father? He did...let's creat man in our image after our own likeness. The scripture all said of Christ THERE WAS NOTHING CREATED THAT WAS NOT CREATED THROUGH HIM. If through him all things were created,then he is a creator in it's entirety and hence,CHINEKE comes to pre-intimacy. I don't know your local names you call God. You can go through it and see.

So,the word God,doesnt mean a name. It's just an office they occupy and Christ and the holy Spirit occupy these office. However,there are three distinctive aspect to their personalities. God the Father is the greatest. God the Son(Jesus) is co-eternal with the Father,co-Majesty with the Father but not Co-equal with the Father. That's the simple analogy. That's why we call the former,Father and the later,Son. It means you can Majestically worship Christ because He is God..Co-Majesty. They are co-eternal because Christ will live forever as God...Co-eternal but they are not Co-equal because one is Father and the other Son.

I rest my case.
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Sal C: Luke 1V48 said "all generations will call her blessed"

All generation did not start and end within the nine months span of her pregnancy,

nwajoshua: Shut d Bleep up,,,you are blunt,blind,decieved,and inflated with false doctrine,,,mary was a vessel used and John said free u recieve and free u shall give...mary recieved d grace free of charge not of any effort of her own, afterall she already had a fiancee Joseph, although not like fiancee of nawadays, and later she got married and had children...if u say No.. wot do married pple do? They tie there hands and look at each other,, we are not made to honour marry instead d Bible said Honour d lord thy God...Mary is an Icon in d Bible but not to be moulded and honour, rember God is a jelous God.. Mary has been used to do a marvelous wk and God shuld be praised not mary,, are u mad ....sory.... pls be guided

femi4: Where in Mat 11 did God created Angels in his image?

Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Jesus had to surrender his will, might and attributes just to save mankind.

Does that mean Angels are above Jesus too? No!

JENMAUCY: Dear fijiano,I dnt think there is need calling names here,you can believe or leave it because you are entitle to your own opinion...but the truth still remains that virgin mary is blessed,as the op said,go to luke 1:27_28,here the angel told her that she is favoured and blessed among women,remember its a message from God,and I know that the angel deliver the message the way the sender ask him to. Let's go futher to verse 40-42,elizabeth stil cal her blessed,because of what she felt immediately she step into her home,it doesn't mean that the angel or elizabeth is worshiping her rather they apreciate what she accepted to do...or did you forget that heaven and earth await her answer after the angel have delivered the message? Yes heaven waits to hear her answer and in verse 38 she said behold am the handmaid of the Lord be it done to me according to thy word...do you know what it means? Even the angel can't leave without hearing her opinion on the message..then in verse 43 ,elizabeth asked her who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? My dear friends the angel $ elizabeth greeting makes up the hail mary you people hear today...hail mary full of grace the Lord is with you(angel..luk 1:28 )...blessed aree you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (elizabeth luk 1:42 ) then the catholic church taking a look @ what happened at canna in that wedding feast,the role mary played in that miracle that takes place there decides to ask for her intercession not praying to hher! If she can intercede when she is not asked ,what did you think will hapen when she is asked to? She talked to her son and he oblige her on earth even when he is not ready to perform..or do you think Jesus is not aware that the drink has finished? That is where holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and till the hour of our death....

Ladiva49: bobo,incase you werent tot,the bible referd to us as gods,yea! I am a god in the likeness of my father,the bigger God so weda you acept or not,angels are our messengers,meant to pass info,bear prayers and bring answres btn gods and GOD.

Ladiva49: bobo,incase you werent tot,the bible referd to us as gods,yea! I am a god in the likeness of my father,the bigger God so weda you acept or not,angels are our messengers,meant to pass info,bear prayers and bring answres btn gods and GOD.

dozai:
Now u have lied, ill prove you wrong. I know where u will quote from, but u are wrong[b].Mark 6:3[/b] " Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.” and Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?” The scripture is for all to be read. Pray that the Holy Spirit leads you to the places where the truth will be revealed to you.
In the original Greek the words used are adelphoi (“brethren”) and adelphe(“sisters”). The words adelphoi and adelphe can refer to actual siblings. However,the Bible also uses these words to describe people who are not brothers, but cousins or relatives or step brothers or close neighbors.
Going further..... The scripture described Abraham as Lots brother but in actual LOT was the nephew. Gen. 11:27 “Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; andHaran begat LOT.”

Now let me hit the mace on the head. During the crucifixion, There were three women at the foot of the Cross: 1) the Blessed Virgin Mary (the mother of Jesus); 2) Mary the wife of Cleophas (who is said to be the Blessed Virgin Mary’s sister); and 3) Mary Magdalene.
John 19:25 “Now there stood by the cross of Jesus [1] his mother, and [2] his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and [3] Mary Magdalene.”
Mary, the wife of Cleophas, is also described as “the other Mary” in Matthew 28:1. The Bible tells us that James and Joses are the children of this Mary:
Matthew 27:56 “Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.”
Thus, James and Joses (who are called the “brothers” of Jesus) are not His siblings, but at least His cousins. However, they are probably not even first cousins. This is because Mary of Cleophas (the mother of James and Joses), who is said to be the “sister” of Jesus’ mother (John 19:25), is also named Mary. It’s extremely unlikely that two siblings in a Hebrew family would be given the same name. Most likely they were not sisters, but members of the same clan who were called “sisters” in the same way that James, Joses, Simon [/b]and [b]Judas were called “brothers” of Jesus. All of this shows that none of the statements in the Bible about the brothers and sisters of Jesus disproves, in any way, the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Now we must look at the proof that Mary had no other children and that she was perpetually a virgin.

JOHN 19:26 PROVES THAT MARY HAD NO CHILDREN BESIDES JESUS
While dying on the Cross, Jesus entrusts His mother to the care of St. John the Apostle.
John 19:26-27 “When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple [John] took her to his own.”

Sorry for taking much of your time. But let the right spirit lead you.

Sal C: The moment Jesus took flesh and became man, he was lower than the angels but the moment he defeated death and ascended to take back his glory, he became a complete spirit being again and greater than the angels.

When we too become family of God in the world to come, being completely transformed, we become higher than the angels and even judge the angels.

But now we are still flesh and blood running the race to be crowned later, we are still. In that state where we are lower than the angels.

chincent: Exodus 20 vs 4 to 5,
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God,...........
This part of Ten commandment is not in Catholic ten commandment that we are thought, why was it omitted? Why will someone be praying and you knee down in front of statue which is an image and you think God is happy with you? I Am GOING TO OPEN THREAD ON THIS ISSUEM
Can any Legionary member in Catholic church that is in this forum tell me what they do on a special occasion they call LEGiON PROMISE?

Macelliot: People kept saying that, 'Catholics are worshipping Virgin Mary,' but I wants to prove them wrong.
* Firstly, we 'Catholics' are not worshipping Virgin mary, but instead, honouring her.
* Secondly, the holy bible made us to know in Luke 1:26-31 that the Arch-angel Gabriel visited Virgin Mary and greeted her saying, "you are full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed in the fruit of your womb, Jesus." Please, which woman again in this world can an Angel greet with such respect. Angel Gabriel honoured Mary, because He delivered the message from GOD. so who are you not to honour her? [b]Are you greater than an Angel of GOD?
* Can Jesus Christ dwell in an unholy body? No ofcourse! She(Mary) is the only woman whom GOD has choosen.
* In Revelation 12:1-18, there was a woman who was clothed by the Sun, the moon under her feet and twelve star as a crown. She was about to deliver a Son and the pain at child birth made her cry. There appeared a dragon, who wanted to kill her, but fail. At that time the Archangel Michael fought the dragon and defeat the it. What I wanted to bring out here is that during the birth of Jesus Christ. King Herod wanted to kill Jesus by killing all the children atleast 2yrs, thinking He kill Jesus, but He failed.
* Last, but not the least. Blessed Virgin Mary was Clothed by the Sun, the moon as foot-mat and 12 stars as crown. Waoh! That's great! Anybody that condems Catholics by saying we are worshipping Mary is so jealous, [s]because no woman in that person's generations or generations to come, even grand, great, great-great-great-great-great-great-grand mother of that person combined together[/s] is as great as Blessed Virgin Mary.
We 'Catholics.' Our doctrines lies on mysterious teachings.' where ignorance, fools, pharisees and sadducees people can never understand. JESUS CHRIST teaches in parable, even His diciple couldn't understand Him, unless He explains it like ABC. So that is how Catholics are. You will keep on condeming Catholics until you know their mysterious teachings, then you will understand clearly. Thanks.

JENMAUCY: Dear fijiano,I dnt think there is need calling names here,you can believe or leave it because you are entitle to your own opinion...but the truth still remains that virgin mary is blessed,as the op said,go to luke 1:27_28,here the angel told her that she is favoured and blessed among women,remember its a message from God,and I know that the angel deliver the message the way the sender ask him to. Let's go futher to verse 40-42,elizabeth stil cal her blessed,because of what she felt immediately she step into her home,it doesn't mean that the angel or elizabeth is worshiping her rather they apreciate what she accepted to do...or did you forget that heaven and earth await her answer after the angel have delivered the message? Yes heaven waits to hear her answer and in verse 38 she said behold am the handmaid of the Lord be it done to me according to thy word...do you know what it means? Even the angel can't leave without hearing her opinion on the message..then in verse 43 ,elizabeth asked her who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? My dear friends the angel $ elizabeth greeting makes up the hail mary you people hear today...hail mary full of grace the Lord is with you(angel..luk 1:28 )...blessed aree you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (elizabeth luk 1:42 ) then the catholic church taking a look @ what happened at canna in that wedding feast,the role mary played in that miracle that takes place there decides to ask for her intercession not praying to hher! If she can intercede when she is not asked ,what did you think will hapen when she is asked to? She talked to her son and he oblige her on earth even when he is not ready to perform..or do you think Jesus is not aware that the drink has finished? That is where holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and till the hour of our death....

vislabraye:

Agreed with everything U said except calling the Op a fool.
Mary did not remain a virgin after giving birth to Jesus. She mothered other children. As far as Jesus is concerned, it is those who hear his Word and does it that is his mother or brethren!! QED

femi4: That is where you got it wrong, you don't need to die to operaate in the spirit. That's why he said "ye are gods".
We ve acquired such authority through him.
Paul that did not even see Jesus face to face performed tremendous miracles by keying himself into the Authority

"Whatever you allow on earth shall be allowed in heaven"

Tell me an angel that can say "By my word, there won't be rain for 3 1/2 yrs"

No, wonder, James saidJm 5)
17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months.

18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit.

bankyblue:


young man, point of correction, we human re greater than angels ok read ur BIBLE MORE! HEBREWS 1 VS 4.
and again when u talk about something been mysterious am not that please with it>>>i just pray we all make HEAVEN

GeneralShepherd: Why are you people fighting over imaginary friends and stories in a book written by Jewish cave men?

You all need to repent from your ways and realise God does not exist

Nso-nso:
@ fijiano202
Pls dear where is it written in d bible dat u are greater than d angels?

Cnachy:
Its written in the book of Hebrews 2:5-16. Read it.

Ukuts gp: Other lies.
https://www.nairaland.com/1540773/51-lies-propagated-roman-catholic