Afrobasic:

That was in reply to this:



Why would any 'savior' harden the heart of the oppressor?

And later kill all their 1st born?

seemylife:

Are your submissions about gaining POINTS? If it is ... good luck to you then.

shdemidemi:


He did that to take the glory, if pharaoh had let the people go easily they probably wouldn't celebrate and praise their God as much as they did after Egypt and their captives were destroyed.

Afrobasic:

If I'm right, this was Rude's main argument... Shedding of innocence just to take the glory.

Why then do you complain when other gods eg Allah, shed blood just to take the glory?

Mark Miwerds: who said the firstborn were innocent?

Psalms 58:3 (KJV) 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Afrobasic:

Smh.. I can see you're either a troll or you don't understand the meaning of a 'point' in regard to a discussion.

Point in the context used means "the essential element of what is being discussed"

So I say again
You've got no point.

seemylife:

Lol..., so you do understand what contextual meaning is? Yet you twist the bible to suit your argument. SMH

Afrobasic:

If I'm right, this was Rude's main argument... Shedding of innocence just to take the glory.

Why then do you complain when other gods eg Allah, shed blood just to take the glory?

Afrobasic:

Smh... Typical Christian argument always claiming "They twist scriptures". The issue here isn't twisting of scriptures but the convoluted nature of your god

Please tell us how you justify those actions in Rude's opening.

shdemidemi:

I believe someone said something about dispensations, please try go through the first page of the thread again. If God decides to wash out a whole country today, He would. He does not need you or me to fight any battle for Him, so comparing what men do in the name of their 'Allah' to what we are telling you holds no water.

Afrobasic:

Sir, to say I predicted your response is an understatement. Lol, could it be a miracle?

And No, I wasn't referring to what men do for Allah, I was referring to what the Quran itself claims Allah did for his people.

Mark Miwerds: The judgment passed upon Egypt was a result of Pharaoh's decree that the firstborn of Israel would be killed. God's people were in bondage. He had given Pharaoh multiple chances to simply say, "Go, take your people and worship your God." But Pharaoh hardened his heart against God.

Why would God kill all the firstborn of Egypt? Because they were just as sinful as their prideful leader was. Not one was "innocent." They all were corrupted with sin... yes, even the infants. Years later, King David concurred that all were born in sin.

seemylife:

I am not God's lawyer, ask Him to appear at a tribunal and levy the charges against Him.

You quoted "God hardened Pharaoh's heart"..." I give you credit for that because it is written in the bible and you added

"so he would have an excuse to satisfy his blood thirst.'' ... that is not in there! So, don't add it!

If you are going to make God guilty of the charges, at least do it based on what He wrote (or probably said) and not what you have added to it.

macof:

Now I see you Christians just twist the Bible to suit ur needs.

The very Bible stated that God hardened the mind of pharaoh. doesn't God have the power to do anything, must ur Bible God kill and taste innocent blood before he gets things done?

Couldn't he have softened the mind of pharaoh instead he hardened it to cause a fight

shdemidemi:

I don't find people complaining about what Allah did for or to his people..that's quite new to me I must admit. Please tell us what Allah did that we complain about.

macof:

Now I see you Christians just twist the Bible to suit ur needs.

The very Bible stated that God hardened the mind of pharaoh. doesn't God have the power to do anything, must ur Bible God kill and taste innocent blood before he gets things done?

Couldn't he have softened the mind of pharaoh instead he hardened it to cause a fight

Afrobasic:

What of all the sura's that fellow Christians like yourself post on this board portraying Allah as a blood thirsty god?? Don't tell me you've never seen such.

And No again, I'm not a Muslim, not even close!

Afrobasic:

Well if you read my post well again, you'll realize I didn't add it to the 'scriptural' quote.

The "so he would have an excuse to satisfy his blood thirst.'' was part of my own rebuttal implied from the fact that there was no need for heart hardening

shdemidemi:

I have no idea of what you are talking about, all I know is God wouldn't tell you to kill anyone on his behalf [b]today[\b]. He is more than able to fight His battles.

Afrobasic:

And not before?

Like a Möbius strip this conversation goes
Back and forth without reaching a consensus. I'm kinda busy now... Some other time... Till then, have a merry Christmas.

And for the third time, No!, Jesus isn't the reason for the season, it's more of a tradition to celebrate Christmas.

*thinking to myself I guess that's why people call it x-mas *shrugs**

shdemidemi:

How humans act like kids, did you put the blood there in the first place? It is an inherent fact that your life will be taken from you at some point, why don't you raise a charge over that as well?

rudedough: [b]Instead of Christian to be ashamed of these acts of God they are trying to justify it, arguing blindly. With the comments here, none so far have read the bible.

If you're a Christian and you have read your bible thoroughly just 1 time please quote me. If you have not then you shouldn't be arguing about the God you don't know.

It's such a shame that you guys are talking about dispensation when God himself is saying he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and forever. He's unrepentant and Jesus is not any better.

The Jesus you all hold in high esteem never preached against the law, he encourages it (stoning of disobedient children and dashing of children against a rock), he said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. He encourages slavery, immorality and disrespect to parents.

It's such a shame that the acclaimed Christians haven't read their bible but they're ready to kill and die to protect their believe. Study your bible 1st then come back and argue with full knowledge of the scripture.[/b]

seemylife:

Lol..., I like this guy, AfroBasic! I still maintain tho...,please stick to what is written and not to where your inductive reasoning is leading you.

seemylife:

Yet, Jesus did not allow a woman to be stoned!!!

rationalmind:

Lol, so, its God that takes lives. Does that include the lives of those who commit suicide?

rudedough:

You haven't read your bible yet you quoted me. Why do you Christians like to argue blindly without any knowledge of what you're arguing about except what was taught you in your Churches?

I don't want to get on that boat, I'm irritated by all you Christians. When you have read your bible, I will be willing to engage you in a more debatable discuss using sculptural evidences.

But for now, Goodluck reading your bible.

rudedough:

You haven't read your bible yet you quoted me. Why do you Christians like to argue blindly without any knowledge of what you're arguing about except what was taught you in your Churches?

I don't want to get on that boat, I'm irritated by all you Christians. When you have read your bible, I will be willing to engage you in a more debatable discuss using sculptural evidences.

But for now, Goodluck reading your bible.

rudedough: [b]@Drummerboy I've read your reply since yesterday but since then i haven't been myself. I have been pondering upon how you tried to justify the murder of innocent children, suckling babies, and the slicing of pregnant women to smite their unborn children with the sword. I almost cried thinking about this last night.

Can you look within yourself and see what religion has done to you? Look at what your morals and sense of judgement have become. That is what religion does to a man. You talked about grace and sins, you even said "Sin is odious to God. God hate sin. And God will judge sin"

But what sins have these children committed? What sins have the suckling babies in their mothers arms committed? What sins have yet unborn / undeveloped babies committed?

How does God justify killing innocent babies when they had nothing to do with the sins of Pharaoh? Couldn't an all-powerful God simply punish Pharaoh enough to make him change his mind?

How can one kill all the children in Nigeria because the President did something wrong, how does that makes sense to you?

I mean real, live babies in their mother's arms. I mean small children, trying to hide behind the safety of their parent's legs even as their parent is gutted. I mean little boys feeling their life flow out of them through a hole that passes through their lungs. I mean little children who don't even know how to wear their slippers.

I can't believe that you even had the guts to invite me to Christendom despite reading about all the shameful murders and grossly immoral conduct of your God. I think i have had enough of this nonsense and i will like to put an end to this discuss as i am deeply saddened and grossly irritated. I wish you luck in your religion.

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shdemidemi:

You sound like you are the only one who knows the content of the scriptures. Its sad that you have held the wrong end of the stick due to lack of understanding of what you have read.

Your emotions won't change or move God bro.