thegoodjoehunt: You clearly didn't watch the match against Derby. If you did, you would know that Chelsea put out a strong squad and found the game difficult. By the way we are talking about long range passing ability. Mikel showed he could do it at the AFCON, Confeds and you can notice it in the Derby match.

IF YOU DON'T LOOK, YOU CAN'T SEE.

Oothman: bro! , u must be high on cheap shepe!....hw wud u say Yaya toure will b nos1 or 2? wts his acheivement/performance in European competitions?? yet u said he is d numb 1. where D likes of Xabi alonso ,muller , javi martinez dey

baby-boy:


Mourinho - First time around he was an understudy to Makalele


Avram Grant - Actually the Isreali manager didn't fancy Mikel and Makalele captained Chelsea when bothTerry and Lampard were out injured during the Christmas period, he actually prefered Julio Belletti to Mikel when Makalele is out. Strong chance of Mikel getting a red card than playing.


Scolari, - Scolari liked Mikel because he loves his ball on the ground and Essien had a bad Injury but he was sacked

Hiddink - He preferred Lampard, Ballack and Essien as the midfield trio

Ancelotti, - He also preferred Lampard, Ballack and Essien as the midfield trio until when Essien ruptured his knee in an International game with Libya this gave Mikel a very long run, the following season Ramires joined and Mikel found himself on the bench

AVB, - Preferred Ramires, Merelles wasnt sure about Lampard which eventually got him the sack, He also thought Oriol Romeu was matured enough to take Mikels place

Di Matteo - Liked Mikel ahead of Essien to partner Merelles and moved Ramires out wide, then sold Mereles and Partnered Mikel with Lampard which cost him his job because the team wasn't balanced

Benitez - Preferred Ramires and Lampard with Mikel as cover but at times Benithez felt with Mikel the build up to attack is very slow.

and Mouringo again - Jose thought Van Ginkle will take Mikel's place but Injury, he loaned Oriol Romeu to get more experience, Essien is now a spent force, Lampard well it seems age is catching up on him and the only Mikel seems to fair better alongside Ramires who is the engine of Chelsea's midfield.


So its a myth if you feel that Mikel was a first choice under every manager

Tell me why was Mikel on the bench when Chelsea played the top teams, Liverpool, Man City, Manchester United only started against Arsenal?

baby-boy:


Makes you think I didnt see the game?

I hate it when people jump to conclusion, I only said Derby and you jumped to conclusion, It was a game Chelsea dominated from start to finish yes Derby had a 15 - 20 minutes moment of dominance. Look you are talking to a Chelsea fan I know Mikels strength and weaknesses as a holding player.

The main reason Chelsea pushed Mikel deep was because between 2004 to 2006 without the brilliance of Robben and Duff or Chelsea goes direct to Drogba we found it hard to maintain possession because Lampard is not that great neither was Essien. They wanted Mikel to be a deep lying play-maker because he is comfortable on the ball, but aim has failed to materialised.

xtervaganza: man, even as I do not agree with your constant bashing of Mikel, I think you're a good football fan, you always come up with good points.


I like people who detail points in arguments not just noisemakers

xtervaganza: man, even as I do not agree with your constant bashing of Mikel, I think you're a good football fan, you always come up with good points.


I like people who detail points in arguments not just noisemakers

thegoodjoehunt: I actually wanted to point out that actually the fact is that most Chelsea coaches when brought in feel to transform Chelsea, they need Mikel out. Including Scolari bringing Mineiro. As time goes on, they realise that Mikel is critical to Chelsea's success. Only Di Matteo stuck with Mikel from the start and he repayed Di Matteo with a memorable performance against Bayern and Barca.

thegoodjoehunt: So what did you mean by the statement if not to belittle Mikel's exploit in the game.

Mourinho wanted Mikel to play deep because most top players would not want to play there. While the likes of Thiago, Ballack fight for the CAM role, no one will battle for the deep role.

Same way Mourinho wanted Pedro Leon to play as a right back at Real Madrid but Pedro Leon refused and left Madrid back to Getafe.

baby-boy:


Mineiro was back up to Mikel because they release Makalele, he wasnt there to take Mikel's place

baby-boy:


Common Jose played Essien all over the field, he moved Gallas out to the left, he got Mikel young so its an easy job, Pedro Leon was just stubborn

thegoodjoehunt: Nope Mineiro wasn't a back up but a quick fix. He was more experienced than Mikel. He even started playing more games than Mikel before he flopped and Mikel took the position.

psalmdave: I dnt know but did u see those passes song was feeding van persie.....He is also a defensive midfielder tho.....

striker9: That was in Arsenal,song has been the shadow of himself ever since he joined barca,even a blind man that listen to commentary knows this.Did you see the pass mikel gave to schurlle against stoke?killer pass he gave to Musa against Mali?Emenike against Zambia and Ethiopia?long ball to Ideye against Burkina faso?oh no you won't mention those na,we know your type,only hyping other players just to ridicule mikel.shior!

psalmdave: I refuse to even argue with u cos u are always biased and will end up with using harsh words wen someone prooves u wrong

psalmdave: I refuse to even argue with u cos u are always biased and will end up with using harsh words wen someone prooves u wrong

thegoodjoehunt: I actually wanted to point out that actually the fact is that most Chelsea coaches when brought in feel to transform Chelsea, they need Mikel out. Including Scolari bringing Mineiro. As time goes on, they realised that Mikel is critical to Chelsea's success. Only Di Matteo stuck with Mikel from the start and he repayed Di Matteo with a memorable performance against Bayern and Barca.

thegoodjoehunt: So what did you mean by the statement if not to belittle Mikel's exploit in the game.

Mourinho wanted Mikel to play deep because most top players would not want to play there. While the likes of Thiago, Ballack fight for the CAM role, no one will battle for the deep role.

Same way Mourinho wanted Pedro Leon to play as a right back at Real Madrid but Pedro Leon refused and left Madrid back to Getafe.

xtervaganza: bros when and where did José asked Pedro Leon to play right back at real Madrid? In José 1st season who was real's rightback? Sergio Ramos, and arbeloa deputised for him.


Where did u get that false theory from? I follow real Madrid and i believe you're very very wrong

xtervaganza: Haba! Did u just say scolari signed miniero to replace Mikel? Miniero was like 34 when Chelsea signed him as a back up. Lol if you Chelsea then and who who miniero was u won't be saying this lol

thegoodjoehunt: Don't jump to conclusions, find out why Pedro Leon and Mourinho fell out. It was a tactical problem.

xtervaganza: bros when and where did José asked Pedro Leon to play right back at real Madrid? In José 1st season who was real's rightback? Sergio Ramos, and arbeloa deputised for him.


Where did u get that false theory from? I follow real Madrid and i believe you're very very wrong

thegoodjoehunt: So nhow come Mineiro came and started playing games ahead of Mikel.

xtervaganza: Bros why na.....say it if only you're sure na. Jose never asked him to play right back, just accept that 1st.


If you know Pedro Leon well u will know he's never a rel Madrid type of player, he was signed as a back up, nothing more. His type don't last at the bernabeu

thegoodjoehunt:
Pedro Leon said: “Mourinho is in charge. We have no problem between us. The reasons why I stayed out of the squad in the last two games were that I did not do what was ordered of me in the match versus Levante.

“It did not hurt when the coach said I was neither [Diego] Maradona nor Zinedine Zidane. We talked and everything is solved. I know that the coach trusts in me and I will continue working to help the team.

“The reasons why I have not played are sporting-based. What we spoke about remains between Mourinho and me. I see no punishment.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/10/12/2162149/i-have-no-problem-with-jose-mourinho-real-madrid-midfielder

I can't remember the forum I dug out what was the exact reason but from the article above, you can see Pedro Leon disobeyed Mourinho during a match against Levant and he did it for Sporting reasons.

psalmdave: I dnt know but did u see those passes song was feeding van persie.....He is also a defensive midfielder tho.....

xtervaganza: I'm quite sure u can Google d number of matches he started just when he arrived and when he left. Lol


I'm sure u don't know miniero's history. A player that was released by hearth Berlin(I think) will suddenly be signed at that old age as a starter for a huge club like Chelsea.....are u serious?

thegoodjoehunt: Someone not given an opportunity doesn't mean the person isn't good. This Pedro Leon and Sergio Canales problem is what led to the Mourinho and the Spanish players problem.

Secondly can you say what was the problem between Mourinho and Pedro Leon? I have even showed he refused a Mourinho order for Sporting reasons? It happened long ago by then it was being discussed on many forums.

xtervaganza: no need to dig up anything for reference....José said he's no Zidane or Maradona when he dropped him in an away cl match so I remember everything clearly.



He did not ask him to lay right back though

thegoodjoehunt: Let us leave long story. There was no reason for Scolari to sign Mineiro. He had Mikel, Beletti could play that role as a back up. Mineiro was brought to drop Mikel.

thegoodjoehunt: In your statement here, why are you hiding the fact that he did obeyed Mourinho? If you remember it very well tell us. You already said Mourinho has asked Lass to play as a right back, he also has asked Essien to play there also.

Why is it impossible for him to ask Pedro Leon to play there?

First of all accept that he refused to play in a position Mourinho asked him for Sporting reasons?
However, Leon told reporters: "Mourinho is in charge and we have no problem between us.

See another statement from another source:

"The reasons why I stayed out of the squad in the last two games were that I did not do what was ordered of me in the match versus Levante.

thegoodjoehunt: Let us leave long story. There was no reason for Scolari to sign Mineiro. He had Mikel, Beletti could play that role as a back up. Mineiro was brought to drop Mikel.