Saucyxo:


Abeg why did you tag me here. You know I don’t agree with such politics. People are allowed to believe God doesn’t exist. However, I do find it quite silly to publicly disrespect other people’s beliefs. I wouldn’t go to the KKK and shout white people are trash. Not because I don’t have to right to but it would be quite silly. I think we all need to be aware of our environment and act accordingly. But I do not agree with this. There’s no compulsion in theism or religion

Saucyxo:


Lol always on the defence. Yourself

Saucyxo:
On a lighter note! Isn’t this just beautiful? Empiree, lanrexlan, rilwayne001, tintingz, advocatejare lets focus on some positives! May Allah soften our hearts. You too whitelotus

tintingz:


Saying KKK are trash is different from saying they're racist even though it still complement each other. There's nothing silly about it, it's them that are being dishonest.

Most beliefs are expressed publicly, so they public matters, we're disturbed with these beliefs publicly on daily bases, so they shouldn't have problem when they're criticized.

If your belief is private and you disturb no one with it, I don't think anyone will even think of criticizing your belief.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Empiree:
I actually read that wrong. I didnt pay full attention. I thought you wrote "can I get some advice?"

Saucyxo:


So can I give you?

Saucyxo:


I didn’t say KKK is trash. I said white people are trash. The core stereotypical belief of KKK members is upholding white supremacy. I think this is crazy as do you I’m sure. However, this is their belief and they are entitled to that. If I’m in an environment that is governed by such core beliefs it is very irresponsible for me as a singular entity to publicly and aggressively go against such beliefs. I’m not saying Im not or I shouldn’t be entitled to, but it’s rather silly isn’t it? If the case of the guy being arrested happened in the North, while I don’t agree with it, I wouldn’t consider him innocent. I would consider him quite disrespectful.

Saucyxo:


I didn’t say KKK is trash. I said white people are trash. The core stereotypical belief of KKK members is upholding white supremacy. I think this is crazy as do you I’m sure. However, this is their belief and they are entitled to that. If I’m in an environment that is governed by such core beliefs it is very irresponsible for me as a singular entity to publicly and aggressively go against such beliefs. I’m not saying Im not or I shouldn’t be entitled to, but it’s rather silly isn’t it? If the case of the guy being arrested happened in the North, while I don’t agree with it, I wouldn’t consider him innocent. I would consider him quite disrespectful.

Empiree:
You see what these atheists don't understand, I dont have problem with Atheists saying they dont belief in God even if they utter it openly. That's their problem. I hear it all the time in my area loud and clear. This particular atheist so called ex-muslims knows exactly what he is doing. He made headlines years ago. You need to understand that his arrest was not only about saying he doesn't belief in Allah. His people already heard this many times from him. That's why he made headlines years back. Why would they be troubled by his statement again?.

Fact is, the guy called Bala deliberately wanted to incite and make headline again. He said more than just displaying his disbelief. Remember it is not just that authority that picked him. It is citizens complaints against him which means he is doing something beyond that. But media, you know them now. Let me just stop.

whitelotus:



[s]I can bet my life that you dont have a proper education.

Somebody was arrested on blasphemy laws and what he said was stated in the news release. Yet you are here spouting conspiracies that he wanted to incite.

He wanted to incite what? Do you even understand that you are indirectly saying that northern muslims are angry fools who can be incited by mere atheism?
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Saucyxo:
On a lighter note! Isn’t this just beautiful? Empiree, lanrexlan, rilwayne001, tintingz, advocatejare lets focus on some positives! May Allah soften our hearts. You too whitelotus

Saucyxo:


Abeg why did you tag me here. You know I don’t agree with such politics. People are allowed to believe God doesn’t exist. However, I do find it quite silly to publicly disrespect other people’s beliefs. I wouldn’t go to the KKK and shout white people are trash. Not because I don’t have to right to but it would be quite silly. I think we all need to be aware of our environment and act accordingly. But I do not agree with this. There’s no compulsion in theism or religion

Saucyxo:


I didn’t say KKK is trash. I said white people are trash. The core stereotypical belief of KKK members is upholding white supremacy. I think this is crazy as do you I’m sure. However, this is their belief and they are entitled to that. If I’m in an environment that is governed by such core beliefs it is very irresponsible for me as a singular entity to publicly and aggressively go against such beliefs. I’m not saying Im not or I shouldn’t be entitled to, but it’s rather silly isn’t it? If the case of the guy being arrested happened in the North, while I don’t agree with it, I wouldn’t consider him innocent. I would consider him quite disrespectful.

whitelotus:


I'm not impressed. Mosques and islamic charities only distribute in areas where there are muslims.

I can tell you for a fact that there are many places in the UK countryside that you will never see a muslim charity

tintingz:


Going to the KKK to say white people are trash is hasty generalization, not all white people support KKK, so it's a fallacy to begin with.

Like I said, if your belief isn't publicly expressed e.g blocking roads, attack physically on non-believers, disturb with microphones etc no one will criticize your beliefs but it's actually the case.

You can have any belief in your thoughts, you can have the thought of belief to kill everyone, no one has problem with that but the moment you express it in public then be ready to be criticized. It's tit for tat, you have free right to express your beliefs and I've same right to criticize it.

Criticism always come with a pay e.g disrespect, offensive etc no matter how it's constructive you will find some statement offensive.

If a book talked about a man going about and attacking people, calling such man a serial killer is actually what it's but this will sound offensive to his followers, not that I didn't just call the man a serial killer publicly, the followers are disturbing us with his ideology which is affecting the society.

Whether he was disrespectful is not the case, I don't care if I'm called disrespectful but taking actions for airing my views is what that's disrespectful. You're free you express your beliefs I'm free to express mine.

The Qur'an called non-believers loosers, hell dwellers, sinners and disrespect their ideology, you think no one take that offensive?, So non-believers also do same. So it's tit for tat.

If you have issues with disrespecting people's beliefs, start criticizing your Qur'an.

whitelotus:



He is expressing his rights guaranteed by the constitution. You can find it silly just as I find believing in fairy tales that Muhammad sliced the moon in two to be silly.

I'm happy this is going international

Saucyxo:


Nope that’s not true! There are ALOT of Muslims in the UK. This happened in Surrey which is just outside London. The area is very very suburban.

whitelotus:



Then, one can easily also say that you stating that there is God is offensive .

Go to the bible belt in America and they will tell you that your Islam is disrespectful to their Jesus.

I think we should be careful in describing innocent people. The atheist guy is innocent period. Calling him disrespectful is paying lip service to the crazy conservative muslims

Empiree:
Go ahead. I have been waiting to hear. I thought you slept on your keyboard

Saucyxo:


Lol my advice. Send me a temporary email address please. You know we can’t be giving advice in public

Empiree:
I just didnt not want to reply him. I read his post and he sounds very silly. Perhaps you can guess their plan that I have seen from miles away is the reason I am always defensive because i know them very well. I even told him yesterday about some Alfa in yorubaland are giving free money everyday. This particular one gives 20k per day to people regardless of religion or tribe. And every Saturday throughout Ramadan he organizes a quiz on live program where he gives 5k per question if you get the right answer. He is doing all this to ease lockdown stress on people regardless of religion or tribe. But these clowns are on a mission. Their mission is, they do not want anything positive attached to islam and muslim. Thats their way.

Brayss:
what time and which station about the quiz programe

Saucyxo:


Empiree is a Muslim, I’m a Muslim and we have quite different views. Different sects of Islam have different views. The KKK believe all whites are superior. Regardless of if white people agree with that or not. I’m allowed to say white people are inherently trash. It may not be false.

Anyways. It doesn’t matter. A part of growing up is becoming more aware and sensitive to your surroundings. This isn’t a matter of the law, it’s a matter of maturity and living with people. The analogies you made don’t apply to this scenario. If I lived amongst thieves and murderers, I wouldn’t go around condemning the act even though I have the right to. It’s very silly. It’s not heroic by any sense and would more than likely get me killed. It’s about being aware of the environment you are occupying. [quote] Ofcos it is reasonable to protect yourself in a dangerous environment with dangerous ideology, infact it's logical thing to do.

And in another sense, sacrifices are made to change a society. Muhammad did it, he didn't keep quiet in Mecca and when he got many followers he attacked. This is how revolution usually occur.

[quote]I agree with you sir! In an ideal world, free speech should reign but that’s not the reality. It is irresponsible to occupy and share a space with people that are different from you and you condemn them and expect no consequences. That won’t happen. I should be able to go to the Queens house and call her a thief but I’ll more than likely be kicked out and given a hefty fine for harassment and pubic misconduct. That’s just life.

He was aware of his surroundings and he CHOSE to disrespect people who are strong and callous in their belief. Come on, I’m sure you can see that’s not Islam’s fault.

If you came to my house and I was singing my mums praises and you called my mum a ***** I will absolutely smash a bottle on your head lol.

Even if she had been arrested 50,000 times for that exact same thing and it was publicised. That’s human nature. And you’d do the same.

There are ways to go about getting things. Luckily, I live in a society that allows you to say such with no consequences. Northern Nigeria is not that society. He knows it. You know it and I know it. The people who fought for the freedom of speech you’re flinging about didn't flaunt it in order to earn it. They were strategic. Do I think it was wrong for him to be arrested? Absolutely, judging by my societal standards but I’m not the judge here, it’s a northerner. I do think it was highly stupid and reckless.

I don’t understand what the Quran has to do with this. Please note: I’m not interested in useless debates. I’m here to learn and share what I know. A broken clock is right twice a day. However, if you read things to retort or just for debate purposes please count me out!

Saucyxo:


Nope that’s not true! There are ALOT of Muslims in the UK. This happened in Surrey which is just outside London. The area is very very suburban.

Empiree:
I just didnt not want to reply him. I read his post and he sounds very silly. Perhaps you can guess their plan that I have seen from miles away is the reason I am always defensive because i know them very well. I even told him yesterday about some Alfa in yorubaland are giving free money everyday. This particular one gives 20k per day to people regardless of religion or tribe. And every Saturday throughout Ramadan he organizes a quiz on live program where he gives 5k per question if you get the right answer. He is doing all this to ease lockdown stress on people regardless of religion or tribe. But these clowns are on a mission. Their mission is, they do not want anything positive attached to islam and muslim. Thats their way.

Saucyxo:


No I’m sorry I don’t agree. I don’t think he’s innocent. He is aware of lawless society he lives in. He is aware that freedom of expression is not one practised here in Nigeria. It wasn’t made with Nigerian in mind and certainly not for the consumption of Nigerian society currently. He is aware he went to far right conservative Muslim state. He wasn’t looking for a conversation or to learn or to discuss with Muslims. He was looking to offend and disrespect. I don’t agree with the consequences but I don’t believe it is peculiar to Islam.

whitelotus:



There are different parts of Surrey. Surrey is near london and so, many people live there just to get to London.

Take East Surrey for example with farms and farmlands. Very little muslims there and I know for a fact that the nearest mosque from the house I stayed in was miles and miles away. This is east Surrey.

Muslims are only 2.2% of the population of Surrey. Move away from the centre and you would stop seeing muslims.

Then take Nigeria as another example. You will hardly see any muslim charity in the south south of Nigeria. When you go to many remote villages, the only charities you see are Christian charities. Mind you, I am an atheist.

Let's call a spade a spade. Your Zakat is a waste.

Saucyxo:


Not here to go back and forth with you babe.

tintingz:
Again, saying white people are trash is hasty or faulty generalization, IT'S FALSE. Maybe you don't know what hasty generalization is. Link below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

whitelotus:


I'm sure you have heard of Martin Luther King. MLK.

He was arrested for preaching equality in America during a period of segregation. This was someone exercising his freedom of speech and many white people found it disrespectful that he wanted equality.

The point here is that you are no different from passively racist white people, as opposed to the actively racist white people. The actively racist white people felt that MLK should be arrested and silenced for speaking up against racial injustice. The passively racist white people felt that he was an uppity nigger that should stop being disrespectful (but didnt see a need for him to be arrested). The only good white people were the ones that either lent their voices in support or joined him at the protests.


You are sounding like a passive bigot in claiming that the atheist is not innocent for speaking up on his beliefs or lack thereof. You claiming that it is not palatable for Nigeria is very ignorant given the fact that you neither live in Nigeria nor do you speak for Nigeria as a whole.

What did the atheist say that was disrespectful? Try and answer that.

whitelotus:


I like it when you call me "babe".