skelewu74:

I am very sorry for you if you can talk this way. You are merely showing how bitter you are, and you couldn't hide your incredulity throughout your post.

I am ashamed of anyone who thinks optometrists or MLS are any force to recon with by the ophthalmologist and the pathologists respectively. I have a reason to believe anyone who disrespect ophthalmologist (an eyes surgeon ) or the pathologist (Laboratory medical and surgical specialist ) by putting them in the same league with an optometrist or lab scientist does not only know what they are or went to a diploma mill school.

Did you say people are now seeing optometrists in UCH where there are real doctors of the eye? You are really doing disservice to the hospital of that great repute. Last time I checked, in UCH optometrists are mid level practitioner, and are confined to one little office where their refractive glasses are kept beside them. That's their role. They have nothing to do with patients other than dish out glasses to the patients the ophthalmologist sends to their office to get glasses (refractive errors ).

And about the lab scientist having a right to own, run, establish a med lab, Yes you have the right. You can. But when a pathologist is present, he is better qualified than you because it is no more a medical lab; it becomes a pathology lab, and a pathology lab covers your lab really well. Thats what puts a limit to your expertise. Get the point clearly: you should run your own lab, as long as it is just a medical lab. But the moment a pathologist is there or the lab is said to serve as a pathology lab, the pathologist is the KING.

You also do not know what Laboratory Medicine means. It is the science behind pathology or surgical pathology. And your entire field of study is just an appendage. So this is the way you should look at it: Laboratory Medicine>>Medical lab science + medicine.

You asked me a "simple" academic question that I would not want to answer, not because I see your question challenging, but because you are yourself the judge. it doesn't matter what I answer you with, you would just dismiss it with a wave of hand screaming, NOOoooooo.

armadeo:


Nope. But I was there when the said student REPEATED into my class. He lost a year.

skelewu74:

Every profession for itself. That's if those "professions" are truly independent and not appendages of one profession. When it comes to hospital setting, what you are talking about does not exist. There's order. There's tradition. Health profession is a traditional profession. You must follow the way it is done.

Doctors are not asserting a superiority over others. Their status, their role, their expertise, and training on the patient's care, which is the primary essence of the hospital is overall superior. That is not to suggest other people's inputs are not important.

The question is about who bears the overall responsibility? Doctors. None of these appendages of medicine can train their students without a reference to the doctor. That is the tradition anywhere. Medical tradition is not a bottom -up approach; all medical cases must reach the doctors first, because he has the overall view of all other appendages and if it gets to where others are needed, he acts accordingly.

Most people don't want to recognise this fact. They see it as pride. It is not. When the doctor needs the lab scientist, he needs him to conduct some tests for him, not to take over the management.

The whole thing in the hospital setting is about who gets to make decisions.

But if you work in the lab of your own, or in a private or hospitals where there's no need to do it the right way, the struggle between doctors and Johesu members over who is most central to the patients care would not exist.

dumodust:
and who is the personality I'm dealing with Are u God? See who is calling someone an embryo....hahahahaha... wetin person no go see... ..., inferiority complex ridden, mush for a brain, noncoherent pillar to post, seeking for relevance twaaat... you go about nairaland opening threads everyday about doctors, you are more pre-occupied with evaluating people way ahead of you than evaluating your quackery... I've sounded out your kind and I'm sorry to say that there was no match, all you do is mouth bug grammar and use terminologies recently learnt like you know jack shyte about them... if you're so important, let other people open threads about u and extoll your sterling qualities
doctors have never had it this good on nairaland...somuch publicity that it may even lead to some talk show deal like the 'doctors' ... kip opening them threads, we're around

YourHealthlabs:

Bwhahahahaha, you are pained, i keep bloating your ego, i do it online and offline.

Let me play your game, i'm your ORACLE in the medical laboratory, you gerrit?

Let me tell you a story, one of your Seniors(i know you are still in school), a medical intern with absolutely nothing in his head, wrongly queried one of my lab assistants about collection of 2HPP/FBS sample in a F.O bottle, he insisted he'll collect it an L.H bottle in the ward. I told my assistant to allow him do the collection but ensure that he signs. Of course the puffy goon signed.

I collected the sample and ordered the documentation of the blunder with his name and threatened to write and copy to the CMLS, C.M.D, D.A, health board and other important offices with photocopies of the incidence attached. The brat came begging like a wet puppy. I wouldn't listen to him until his supervising consultant came to make peace. His name is still in that incidence register for posterity sake. Due process.
He learn't humility the hard way. Guess who avoids the other today. Your guess is as good as mine.

Now boy, if you don't bend down humbly and study your books, similar fate awaits you when you graduate, you might not find a person as forgiving as i am when you dig yourself into that pit. imp!

phantom: tales by moonlight!!

agabaI23: Yea, he lost a year but he didn't fail out.

armadeo:


Once you cross the path pharm level you do not fail out. However you nay be there till second coming if you don't pass.

phantom: tales by moonlight!!

YourHealthlabs:

You say you work at UPTH abi?, i know a colleague there , physicians don't dare mess with. If i call his name, you'll know.
But let me keep his name away from google search. If he reads reads my comments, he'll know me.

armadeo:


It might be a visual/ auditory hallucination. Only him saw it happen!!

YourHealthlabs:

Bwhahahahaha, you are pained, i keep bloating your ego, i do it online and offline.

Let me play your game, i'm your ORACLE in the medical laboratory, you gerrit?

Let me tell you a story, one of your Seniors(i know you are still in school), a medical intern with absolutely nothing in his head, wrongly queried one of my lab assistants about collection of 2HPP/FBS sample in a F.O bottle, he insisted he'll collect it an L.H bottle in the ward. I told my assistant to allow him do the collection but ensure that he signs. Of course the puffy goon signed.

I collected the sample and ordered the documentation of the blunder with his name and threatened to write and copy to the CMLS, C.M.D, D.A, health board and other important offices with photocopies of the incidence attached. The brat came begging like a wet puppy. I wouldn't listen to him until his supervising consultant came to make peace. His name is still in that incidence register for posterity sake. Due process.
He learn't humility the hard way. Guess who avoids the other today. Your guess is as good as mine.

Now boy, if you don't bend down humbly and study your books, similar fate awaits you when you graduate, you might not find a person as forgiving as i am when you dig yourself into that pit. imp!

skelewu74:

You really cannot separate the case of ONE house officer making error from that of his qualifications affording him the central role in patients management. Mind you, an house officer is under training, and that's expected of him if he makes mistakes. In fact even more glaring errors than that is anticipated. The housemanship period is when you are "supposed" to commit errors and learn from it. We learn on the job everytime. It's only when he's unyielding to suggestions or he displays a wilful ignorance that he can be surmounted. I am very sure that if you had reported him, nothing would have happened.

If anything, that even really emphasises the fact that only those who understand how the shoe hurts should be made the authority. A CMD who knew he had make more terrible mistakes too when he was an house officer would understand and not over react. I want to also remind you that the guys error does not mean he has "nothing" upstairs as you erroneously claimed. It only shows that the field is very broad, and details are too many to learn. That's Medical practice, my brother. If you were in it, you would experience the same.

I would only advise that you are not interested in picking at someone's errors especially out of personal vendettas. You would always see people commit errors, but can't spend all of your time on that, as it doesn't strengthen your own uprightness.

skelewu74:

You really cannot separate the case of ONE house officer making error from that of his qualifications affording him the central role in patients management. Mind you, an house officer is under training, and that's expected of him if he makes mistakes. In fact even more glaring errors than that is anticipated. The housemanship period is when you are "supposed" to commit errors and learn from it. We learn on the job everytime. It's only when he's unyielding to suggestions or he displays a wilful ignorance that he can be surmounted. I am very sure that if you had reported him, nothing would have happened.

If anything, that even really emphasises the fact that only those who understand how the shoe hurts should be made the authority. A CMD who knew he had make more terrible mistakes too when he was an house officer would understand and not over react. I want to also remind you that the guys error does not mean he has "nothing" upstairs as you erroneously claimed. It only shows that the field is very broad, and details are too many to learn. That's Medical practice, my brother. If you were in it, you would experience the same.

I would only advise that you are not interested in picking at someone's errors especially out of personal vendettas. You would always see people commit errors, but can't spend all of your time on that, as it doesn't strengthen your own uprightness.

armadeo:


Once you cross the path pharm level you do not fail out. However you nay be there till second coming if you don't pass.

YourHealthlabs:

Same old lines just as expected, sorry sir, the presence of a Pathologist in the doesn't make my lab pathology laboratory. Most of you use interchange the phrase "pathology lab" and "medical lab" for convenience sake. You have no idea of the technicalities and scientific principles involved in running a medical laboratory but you want to manage and head it.

Mr, i have no qualms with opthamologists and pathologists in other climes. In the American society for clinical pathology, Clinical laboratory Scientists(nominated by American society for clinical lab scienstists-ASCLS) make up of 40% of the ASCP board of governors (BOG), i have proven it before. Matrix-management is employed, the Scientist running and managing the lab, while the pathologists writes consultative notes based on the results, nobody lords over anyone. In fact pathologists supported the establishment of doctor of clinical laboratory Science (D.cls). That's why things work in modern world, but as stone-age as you guys are around here, you wanna earn like them.You lots must be smoking something in Nigerian medical colleges to wanna earn like civilized physicians. Did medicine start in Nigeria?
Well the court has declared that the medical lab is the Scientists's territory, create your "morbid/pathology lab" and run your consultations there.

Oga optometrists(O.D) are not mid-level professionals in the U.S. They have a very strong professional body over there, they even prescribe. Some of them are very active policy makers. My brother, there is a lot you don't know. You need to "unlearn" yourself of the lies your medical lecturers told you, so you can understand these issues.

You know what?, anyday you see a non-Scientist(be it a pathologist or whoever under Nigerian laws) running mid/high-complexity tests in the lab, please run to the patient's rescue, call the MLSCN or AMLSN, the quack needs to read the council act and explain to us who issued him a license to work on the bench and issue results. You'll be saving lots of lives. Our efforts are already "paying off".

Let's work together FROM OUR DIFFERENT OFFICES AND DIRECTORATES and help save lives. i'll leave you here.


**My earlier professional question still awaits your perusal**

sisiafrika: its your type that beat d wife and relegate her to d kitchen, her opinion doesn't matter in making decision because u are d male. Male chauvinist nd probably A disguised misogynist. again, ur soul and psyche needs redemption. Guess female doctors are lesbians nd should be ashamed since d profession is meant for males only? Male choiristers nd muscians like Davido, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, 2face, lucky dube and d rest should be ashamed too since singing is typical of only females?

heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know?
A nurse is only there to carry out d plans documented by d doctor, their job is just to execute d doctors' order, so i don't see any threat to d line of profession of a magistrate who sentences by d prison officiLials who carries out d order.
As such, d little clinical experience re only derived when carrying out d docs' plan of management, so they then get to learn different lines of management of various health conditions from d docs' documentation, they av no formal training.
Nursing students ain't taught ow to examine patients nd neither do they acquire skills of diagnosing in school (who will even teach them when even d qualified nurses don't know it coz it isn't required to discharge their duties), so i then begin to wonder if it is even appropriate for nurses to establish coz they don't av d formal training to manage patients..
In fact it is funny nd i see it abnormal also coz once a nurse graduates from school wt a degree (Bnsc or so), she doesnt require any further education to get promotion to d highest nursing rank, she/he just sits carrying out docs' plan nd promotion keeps coming wt years spent. This is absurd..

Rilamaka:


Excuse me? How dare you? I bet you are not even close to being intelligent not to talk of being educated.

What do you know about nursing that gives you the impetus to make such ludicrous statement about it?

Have you ever visited a School of Nursing? Peeked at their curriculum? Who told you that student nurses do not know anything about physical examination? Are you a health tutor? Do you teach student nurses?

What gives you the audacity to state that "Nurses' only responsibility is to follow Doctors instruction"? Are u an authority on Nursing? Do you have the least idea of what you are talking about?

What do you even know about nursing profession? Have u stumbled on any nursing theory? The least being Nightingale's theory which is a basic tool for any aspiring nurse?

Do you know that administration of medication(which you understand as "following doctor's instruction" in your small mind) is just one (and the last resort) part of Nursing intervention in patient care?

If Doctors (In Nigeria obviously) are perhaps not threatened by Nurses and other health care practitioners, why the need to make the "CMD or whatever title" exclusive to them? What are they scared of? What does that tell you?

I won't waste my time anymore than I have already but I will just leave you with a piece of advice.

Try to learn and research about things before you disgrace and potray your malignant ignorance on a public forum such as this.

Nursing right from inception has never been about "following doctors' instructions" and it will never be. Nursing is an independent profession that has and continually develops its own body of knowledge independent of what doctors are doing or saying.

So get it right you egotistical, ignorant and loud mouthed cognitive depreciated human being.

You can start by reading about Florence Nightingale and the birth of Nursing as a profession you fo.ol.

adanny01: Older nurses are seriously a piece of work. Apart from their jealousy towards Doctors, they are also jealous of their fellow young graduate nurses. I have seen several scenerios when an old nurse is not cooperative with her Doctor and her young nurse who because of the nursing degree has suddenly become her boss. I have seen outright disgust to the point of physical exchange of blows.

Nurses we used to know never went to the universities until recently. That has allowed mediocrity into their system. Now they have grown wings and want to fly without feathers.

I would also mention that the respect the doctors get has been overhyped. Their profession is supposed to a humble one but not what it is today where vanity is the order of the day. Nowadays, a doctor must have a private hospital at the sidelines.

At general hospital in Kafanchan, Kaduna state, the pediatrician is the only in southern Kaduna but an albino Igbo guy who owns a private clinic. In the government hospital he is callled Dr Sharp Sharp, because he cares less of a patient in the hospital only to recommend you meet him privately for better and adequate treament. Once there, you are admitted for days while still giving you panadol and accumulating huge bills of 10k per night in an unkempt so called vip ward with broken beds, broken down A/C and tv. A woman whose husband had unpaid 40k bills and had been avoiding the Dr had brought their infant child who this Dr had treated but had relapsed and fainted. The Dr refused looking at the infant baby requesting to see the father or outstandng bills paid. All pleas fell on deaf ears including mine. My son was just admitted, i really got scared that if this Dr is this heartless then my son isnt safe. I decided my son had to leave there, i had told the Dr i wasnt confortable with all that was going on. The Dr instructed his staff not to allow me leave with my child or he bans me from ever coming to his hospital. I confided in a nurse who assisted me, i paid for drugs and half the amount for the night i never slept and took off with my child. The Dr called me placing a ban on me and my family from his hospital and even the government hospital where he is an employee should he be the one to attend to us. After seeing the heartlessness of this Dr, i almost hated the profession.

Let Doctors, nurses, pharmacist, lab scientist do their work while professional managers manage the hospitals. My view.

YourHealthlabs:

Bwhahahahaha, you are pained, i keep deflating your bloated ego, i do it online and offline.

Let me play your game, i'm your ORACLE in the medical laboratory, you gerrit?

Let me tell you a story, one of your Seniors(i know you are still in school), a medical intern with absolutely nothing in his head, wrongly queried one of my lab assistants about collection of 2HPP/FBS sample in a F.O bottle, he insisted he'll collect it an L.H bottle in the ward. I told my assistant to allow him do the collection but ensure that he signs. Of course the puffy goon signed.

I collected the sample and ordered the documentation of the blunder with his name and threatened to write and copy to the CMLS, C.M.D, D.A, health board and other important offices with photocopies of the incidence attached. The brat came begging like a wet puppy. I wouldn't listen to him until his supervising consultant came to make peace. His name is still in that incidence register for posterity sake. Due process.
He learn't humility the hard way. Guess who avoids the other today. Your guess is as good as mine.

Now boy, if you don't bend down humbly and study your books, similar fate awaits you when you graduate, you might not find a person as forgiving as i am when you dig yourself into that pit. imp!

skelewu74:

well nursing is a very Good profession. I married a nurse. They are not dummies. They have actually suffered for their RN and need to be appreciated and not looked down upon.

But nurses are not independent. They cannot make a decision concerning the patient, and must carry out the doctor's order.

That's for a Good nurse anyway. You cannot be a Good nurse without that.

sisiafrika: why is it hard for u to realize schl differ from schl? Wat is obtained in uni A isn't same with uni B. In OAU, u could still be withdrawn in final year. Its rare but it happens

finn: I have seen too many posts on this NMA/JOHESU matter everywhere. NL and facebook. And it's all crazy. Now someone like myself likes to sit on the fence when certain issues crop such as this. But i have noticed that lies are being spewed forth in some of these posts just to make doctors seem bad to the general public who have no idea of how things are done in teaching hospitals.
Now look at this post. Back in school we had lectures with nursing students, radiography, physiotherapy and MLS students. But when it came to exams, we were given different things. I knee a person or two that had issues with their own exams but still wrote exams for health science students (like we called them) and passed well. I dated the 2nd best graduating student in med lab science of our set for 3yrs. In the rankings of my class i was just somewhere in the middle yet i know how i taught her a whole lot. The things she didnt knw of the same courses we did. I had MLS and physiotherapy frnds. I knw what they knew. Point is. Same study, same lectures but different exam standards. That was donr for a reason.
Now the only issue where i agree with the johesuites is hospital management. I feel management of govt establishments like hospitals shdnt be left for doctord alone. I profer the setting up of a board system that encompasses everybody in quotas. Because i feel an mbbs my guarantee you heading a medical team in a clinical setting. But not in a hospital management setting. Yea maybe the CmD post might remain. But a hospital board quota for non doctors should be increased. The ratios i saw were quite poor in favour of others. I must admit.
As for the issue of salaries. I am sure the johesuites know deep down that we all can't get the same salaries because of the degree of importance of our roles in patient management. But then again i don't think this is a debate.
Now for the issue of consultancy i would love for people to try to get educated about how things are done in the world before coming to make comments here. Most of the consultant nurses and phrnacists are not seen in tertiary hospitals. Rather in hospices and private firms. I could agree with consultant physiotherapists. Cos of the way their field spins off. But the rest? Nah. The word consultant was coined for a patient doctor reason. Maybe johesu should consider another term for that which they want to achieve.
Finally it's sad that all this hate between doctors and other health personnel has degenerated to this level. Now these health workers have decided to rope workers like cleaners and porters into their union cause they know we can actually run the hospital to a good extent without them. We did it last year at UNTH. If only the nurses, lab scientists, physiotherapists, radiographers decided to go on strike without the porters, cleaners, security, office staff, who dont have much to gain from all this but have roped due to the mutual dislike for doctors, hospitals can function well. We can do surgeries. We can keep patients in wards. Some skeletal lab services were being run by doctors in those lab medicine residncy. And so on.
I hope all of this ends well. I really do. If we had a system were the focus was the patient, perharps things would be different.
My two cents.

drhappy: It is no news to say that the health care industry in Nigeria just as the state of our nation itself is moribund.
Nigeria is a land full of hardworking, honest and honorable people a.k.a. the goodies. Yet, it is equally full of lazy, indolent, neurotic, deceitful and now, self-deceiving people a.k.a. the baddies.
The crux of the current state of our health care system as well as our nation is the the tilt of balance is now overwhelmingly in favour of the baddies.
Some of the reasons for this abysmal situation is the chronic exodus of the goodies and the apparent nonchalance of the goodies in the affairs of the system couple these with the self-propagation of corrupt and equally indolent leadership, phenotypic religiousness of the followership that has over glorified grace (unmerited favour), then, anything goes. More so, as the entire nation as lost its senses of shame and value.
Now that democracy is the order of the day, majority should always and in all instances carry the day. Common sense can simply be outvoted by nonsensical majority. ..How dare persons with murder cases on 'their heads' be nominated and I dare say 'win' gubernatorial positions! ........
Such is the state of affairs in our nation and alas its health care system. A state of democracy devoid of justice, probity and equity. A state where the 'ayes have it' based on the decibels of their noise as against the logic of the 'nahs'. A state where we've forgotten that the empty vessels make the most noise.
That we the doctors in the system are now making noise, the people now assume us to be empty!
An amorphic or aemoebic body called 'JOHESU' wants this democratisation to consume the remainder of the health care system.
Johesu is an amalgam derived from professionals in the Nigerian hospital (public) with the singular exception of the Medical doctors. Johesu amongst other wishes, want the headship of the public hospitals open to the majority, they want equity across professions in pay and titles but not a tution or responsibilities.
A. Firtly, Lets compare and contrast tuition.
1. Most universities offer basic degrees following 4 academic sessions (pharmacy 5 academic sessions). However, Medicine and surgery bachelors is offered only after a minimum of 6 years not academic sessions!
2.Note we have a common ground of the first or preliminary year. This however is also quite different: the other students have the luxury of a pass mark of 40% as against 50% for the budding medical mind!... who Must pass all his or her papers at one sitting and is unable to 'carry over' the failures into higher classes.
Did I forget to say that the entry marks into the university are also not the same and the lower marks favour the Johesuits who may have 'sat' secondary school leaving examinations multiply too.
Again it is noteworthy that even amongst the Johesuits, the vast majority are non university schooled but then who cares! ?
3. Still, these differences becomes more significant when one takes into cognisance that 1 academic session consists of just 2 semesters each of 15 weeks i.e. 30 weeks per year for 3 years for others, 4 years for pharmacist as against our own 52 weeks year for 5 years. This is an open but forgotten truth the translation of which means the medical mind is trained after the preliminary year for at least 260 weeks or almost 9 academic years cramped into 5! Note, only  noble, stable and intellectual minds can survive and thrive under such!!
4. The course contents are also different. The training of Johesuits I dare say lack the requisite exposure to human patients in clinical training as compared to that of medical students. The skills for patient-doctor interaction are not taught to them simply because they are not and can not become doctors be it by tution or democracy.
I agree to a downside of our high entry, intense persistent training, it can make any brilliant minds arrogant or cocky.
Nonetheless, our Oath as doctors eventually makes us respect our clients as our focus primus and we thus become more selfless. We are even bound from self advertisement which makes Johesuits even more vocal!
B. Lets compare the jobs we do in the hospitals.
The focal point of the hospital is the patient.
The focal point of the patient's visit is the consultation with the doctor (medical not academic) which aims to alleviate the clients complaints.
That the hospital employs record staff, nurses, dieticians, physiotherapists and pharmacists in drones should not and can not subsume or subvert the doctor's duties, responsibilities and commitment to the patient.
E.g.
* Can the 12 disciples replace Jesus the Christ!
* Can Okon the waiter having meritoriously served for decades  (and no formal training) become the chef in a restaurant?
* I know of many hardworking and honest graduates who serve in banks as Security guards: when can they become our banking/ account officers, bank managers or even the CBN governor. Can longevity of service or proximity to the bank without tution assure them of this responsibility. If it does (sic) what happens to the bank and its innocent clients?
C. Lets look at title.
Not every medical doctor is a consultant.
First you go through house job or internship. To become one, yes you have been grilled in no where else to an accredited university.  Then, you work under observance and guidiance at a time your peers are already 3-4 years in their own practices. Certainly therefore the new medical doctor is no juvenile even if a youth! Thus, entry into his/ her job can not be at the same salary grade/ level with persons of lesser entry/ tution/ qualifications or responsibilities.
After the internship, it then takes about 6 to 10 years to qualify to become a Consultant by daily hands-on experience and 3 tier fellowship examination. He/ she then gets appointed as a Medical consultant employed to 'see' patients. This is obviously at a time equivalent to the zenith of the carriers of the Johesuits.
Are the Johesuits qualified to be called consultants?
Who are they to consult with?
Why?
Some nurses (a global phenomenon) are now acquiring more academic training to include Ph.ds just to become known to colleagues and patients as Doctors. These academic appellations nonetheless can never translate such title holders to medical doctors, responsibilities or pay!
Similar ''mago mago'' occurs whereby nigerians now become graduates from distant affliated school or equating the Bachelors and the National Diplomas.
Against some want to become directors.  Noble as this may seem on fave value because it may give a sense of accomplishment before retirement perhaps or simply ensure high pay packages. Deeper thought will soon reveal the clumsiness of this. How many directors should there be in any given hospital?
D. Lets look at headship of the Nigerian public hospitals.
This scenario is only in question in the public domain only. No private establishment or its clientele question that age tested governance by the medical doctor. It's simply a case of 'he whom the cap fits'.
Yes, others may desire the cap too: in yoruba ''ki ni obo fi se ori ti inoki o se''. Again some argue,  if I can't where the cap, no other should! However:
* Should non-combatants head our military?
* Can a medic become chief of air staff?
* Can the canteen manager of 30 years service in the CBN aspire to be CBN governor.
I am exhausted from bearing my mind on FACEBOOK mobile but I know that in Nigeria anything can happen......that is why we ate forced to down tools! Chai......Diaris God o!
Dr. John Akintunde OKENIYI
Consultant Paediatrician

YourHealthlabs:

Doctor's in pathology/lab medicine have no business running lab procedures. Those who spent 5+1+1Nysc years learning the application of science in the medical laboratory are KINGS in that area and they are the SCIENTISTS, THE ORACLE IN THE LAB. The little pcv and gram staining you know was taught to you by these SCIENTISTS, and if you think MLS starts and ends there, you are a joker.

A pathologist's job is to help interprete the result to confused medical officers in the ward and suggest clinical solutions if need be. It is utterly inappropriate and illegal for any doctor to mount a lab bench and start lab procedure which demands the use a Scientist's INTELLECT, HANDS AND PEN. It is pure quackery and criminal in the eyes of the law. A doctors training does not cover that scope.

Morever, pick up the Med Lab council federal gazette which contains LAWS governing the medical laboratories, read it and tell us who should run,control, regulate and accredit Public and private labs. We've dragged you to court and thrown you the books. The court disagreed with you.

http://www.mlscn.gov.ng/files/
mlscn_docs/MLSCN_ACT.pdf

Oga Louis pasteur wasn't a doctor, he was a chemist, he developed lab methodologies and came up with solutions. Remember pasteurization?
How about Robert Koch, a botanist and a mathematician, whose breakthrough in anthrax came in the 1870s, did he study medicine?. Your lecturers deceived you a lot. I'll give you a sound lesson here.

And we Scientists are not involved in research? Guy you should run a clown-house part time. You are funny.
I won't go far, go to uniben Nigerian MLScientists developed a new cost-effective method of diagnosing parasitemia. The doctors as usual are running all over the place trying to either discredit him or take the glory while the working model has been adopted in some african countries. Go to google type in FIBMS and see contributions of Biomedical Scientists who are "Chartered Scientists" in UK. Know your place.

My heartfelt sympathy goes out to any lazy doctor who decides to specialize in pathology or opthamology in the nearest future because he feels he can hide in the lab,/eye clinic collect the same pay as gynaecologists, surgeons and still the rule over the Scientists and optometrists. I bet you it won't be funny as other doctors have started abandoning them to their fate in UCH and some other federal hospitals.

Oga all-knowing doctor,I'm holding you to your words. You said you all know everything in the lab.
Oya answer this small 200L question. At least you have google(expo) there with you.
--->Why do we preferably run H-D
method on wet mounts?, Can you
also tell us the role of trimethoprim in
the constitution of S-medium for
isolation of microarophilic, catalase-
variables.
............................................................................

Nigerians are reading.

Rilamaka:


http://www.uhb.nhs.uk/board-of-directors.htm

That's a NURSE led hospital in England, so Mr consultant pediatrician what's your point? Can you name any hospital in Nigeria that can stand shoulder to shoulder with that hospital that has a Nurse as the CMD?

Please stop embarrassing yourself. You are clearly egotistic nothing else.