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Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sconp: 9:54am On Jul 14, 2014
Caracta: I'm yet to find a reason that justifies råpë. I'm yet to see circumstances where the victim should be blamed. I'm talking of actual rãpë here, not my-boyfriend-went-two-rounds-instead-of-one-round kinda thing.
no vex o
LMAO.
Caracta!
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 10:10am On Jul 14, 2014
vickyO:
I really don't understand the last paragraph.
The Bible never said blame should be apportioned to the tempter, but to the tempted, that is, if he failed to resist.

Actually Jesus Himself said that offences (that is, trials and temptations) must come, but woe to him by whom they do come. That's in Luke 16, I think.

The last paragraph says simply that there will always be admissible excuses for rape and that women should not give them. However not giving a person occasion to sin will not prevent them all the time from sinning. If they do, you are not culpable, their reward is all their own.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sconp: 10:22am On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

I don't think it requires only removing all your clothes and walking into a den of known râpists. Still, you do think that there is something a girl can do and share blame for being räped?
why not give an instance?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 10:35am On Jul 14, 2014
sconp: why not give an instance?

According to Caracta, one possible instance is walking into a den of räpists näked.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by TheBigUrban2: 10:38am On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

According to Caracta, one possible instance is walking into a den of räpists näked.


And has that ever happened in the history of police reports?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 10:55am On Jul 14, 2014
TheBigUrban2:


And has that ever happened in the history of police reports?

Dude, we're talking about whether a räpe victim could ever be culpable for their experience and you're asking about what has shown up in police reports? What is your point?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by Caracta(f): 11:01am On Jul 14, 2014
sconp: no vex o
LMAO.
Caracta!

cheesy
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by Caracta(f): 11:09am On Jul 14, 2014
Just give us real examples OP

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Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sailormoon: 1:00pm On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

Some reason why it is never "justifiable" would push your point farther across, don't you think?
Thought it was a given to be honest
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sconp: 3:21pm On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

According to Caracta, one possible instance is walking into a den of räpists näked.
that was caracta's can we have yours. Btw, how do you know a den of rapiist
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 3:35pm On Jul 14, 2014
sailormoon:
Thought it was a given to be honest

Ok. I do agree in one sense. In another there is a question really. Can a woman do anything to attract räpe to herself or is the action of räpe in all circumstances and under all weathers completely independent of whatever she does or says or abstains from?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 3:37pm On Jul 14, 2014
sconp: that was caracta's can we have yours. Btw, how do you know a den of rapiist

I don't plan to offer any. You may direct your question about the den of räpists to Caracta.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sconp: 4:09pm On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

I don't plan to offer any. You may direct your question about the den of räpists to Caracta.
if you don't have any reason then why hammering on the issue, you should atleast provide one.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 4:16pm On Jul 14, 2014
sconp: if you don't have any reason then why hammering on the issue, you should atleast provide one.

You should re-read the op to be clear what the discussion is.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sconp: 4:22pm On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

You should re-read the op to be clear what the discussion is.
I did, but didn't understand. Could you explain?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by ihedinobi2: 4:55pm On Jul 14, 2014
It's a question: is there anything a woman does or can do to expose herself to räpe? Can she ever be culpable for falling victim? Or, in other words, is a woman completely helpless about räpe? Can she possibly do anything to mitigate the chances of falling victim to räpe?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by MrAnony1(m): 5:39pm On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2: Ok. Is a woman never culpable if she is räped no matter what the circumstances?
Lol I have only read the first page so far but it was funny to see how people jumped on Ihedinobi for asking a question. It is funny how people tend to judge what they percieve to be the intents of a person before he/she has declared them.

Now to answer your question, I think there are cases where rape can be justified. For instance if a woman rapes someone, I won't be opposed to rape as a punishment for her crime.

There is a second related issue, if a woman is innocent, she doesn't deserve to be raped even if she walks around nude, Nevertheless I would think her to be incredibly foolish to make herself an easy target. While this does not justify the rapist in any way at all, it doesn't leave the victim totally blameless.

This may be a very unpopular position that I may have just taken but I can't see how any other position would be consistent with natural moral reasoning

I would be interested in hearing objections too my position if there are any.


P/s: If you disagree with me please state precisely why you disagree and we can respectfully reason together. Merely mocking my position or my person will tell me that you are not interested in reasoning and so you won't get a response from me. I look forward to replies. Cheers
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by texanomaly(f): 7:08pm On Jul 14, 2014
Mynd44:
Even if a girl removed her clothes and walked into a group of men, how can she be have caused her rape? She committed public display of nudity, the men should not take law in their hands.

Wait! What law says they are justified in rap3ping her?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by texanomaly(f): 7:44pm On Jul 14, 2014
ihedinobi2:

Did you deliberately open the zipper?

Are you seriously trying to say that it is ok to sin if we are tempted. I guess in that case, any sin we do because we were tempted is justified. There is ALWAYS a choice no matter the temptation. We each chose our path. Temptation will always be a factor. The choices we make are on US individually. It will be me, alone, facing God.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by MrAnony1(m): 8:02pm On Jul 14, 2014
texanomaly:

Are you seriously trying to say that it is ok to sin if we are tempted. I guess in that case, any sin we do because we were tempted is justified. There is ALWAYS a choice no matter the temptation. We each chose our path. Temptation will always be a factor. The choices we make are on US individually. It will be me, alone, facing God.

No that is obviously not what he is saying.

What he is asking is this: If you deliberately lure thieves to your property, isn't it fair to blame you (partially at least) for the loss?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by texanomaly(f): 8:16pm On Jul 14, 2014
MrAnony1:
No that is obviously not what he is saying.

What he is asking is this: If you deliberately lure thieves to your property, isn't it fair to blame you (partially at least) for the loss?

So now we are saying the ra.pe is petty theft brought on by the victim. Is that it? I'm sorry, I still believe the perpetrator is still culpable. So what if he was lured there. He took the bait didn't he.

Satan tempts us all the time. If we give in to temptation, are we exempt because he tempted us? If we find our neighbors door unlocked, do we go in and rob him blind and rape his wife?

Of course we are justified, after all he left his door unlocked when she was changing... undecided
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by texanomaly(f): 8:22pm On Jul 14, 2014
You can try to justify bad/criminal behavior all you want, but it is still illegal and sinful. I'm not sure God will find you blameless on the last day.

I keep hearing this needs to be looked at on an individual basis. I agree, but let's look in the mirror first.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by MrAnony1(m): 8:30pm On Jul 14, 2014
texanomaly:

So now we are saying the ra.pe is petty theft brought on by the victim. Is that it? I'm sorry, I still believe the perpetrator is still culpable. So what if he was lured there. He took the bait didn't he.

Satan tempts us all the time. If we give in to temptation, are we exempt because he tempted us? If we find our neighbors door unlocked, do we go in and rob him blind and rape his wife?

Of course we are justified, after all he left his door unlocked when she was changing... undecided
I never said that the perpetrator is not culpable, I fully agree that he/she is. . That's not the question, Neither I nor Ihedinobi justifies the criminal in any way

The question is specifically this: Is the victim totally blameless and not in regards to his/her misfortune especially if the victim deliberately put himself/herself in harms way?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by Mynd44: 8:33pm On Jul 14, 2014
texanomaly:

Wait! What law says they are justified in rap3ping her?
Hell no. I meant they might try to cover her up or tell her she is wrong but that is not their place as that can be mollestation. They can report and move the hell on
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by texanomaly(f): 8:37pm On Jul 14, 2014
Mynd44:
Hell no. I meant they might try to cover her up or tell her she is wrong but that is not their place as that can be mollestation. They can report and move the hell on

Thank you Mynd.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by Mynd44: 8:39pm On Jul 14, 2014
texanomaly:

Thank you Mynd.
You are welcome.

This obsession by the OP is telling me something oooo....is there something he is trying to justify?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by MrAnony1(m): 8:48pm On Jul 14, 2014
Mynd44:
You are welcome.

This obsession by the OP is telling me something oooo....is there something he is trying to justify?
I think you assume too much
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by texanomaly(f): 8:54pm On Jul 14, 2014
Let's stop stepping all around the issue here. We all know Ihe is not really referring to a woman who walks into a group of men naked. Let's discuss something that is likely to actually happen.

1. Let's say a girl is on a date with her bf. Afterward they go to his place. They are making out on the couch. Things get hot and heavy. Suddenly she decides she doesn't want to go any further and says "NO". Does the guy have the right to continue?

2. A guy and the girl are at school. They are talking in his room. He kisses her. She does not stop him. Things start to go farther than she is willing. If she asks him to stop, is he obligated to do so?

Now, in both case the girl went willingly to the guys place. She allowed him to kiss and touch her. She may have even started it. Is he obligated to stop when she asks him to, or is he justified in continuing when she says no?
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by InesQor(m): 9:07pm On Jul 14, 2014
This topic should NOT even be up for debate. Räpe is never the victim's fault, and there is no sense in justifying it for whatsoever reason. Rapists are wild animals.

Saying räpe is ever the victim's fault is like saying you deserve to be robbed for being so wealthy.

How dare you drive past me in that sexy car while I am just here dreaming and salivating about such cars! You deserve to be robbed. Not by me, cos I am not a criminal, but you deserve to be robbed by someone for showing off that flashy car indecently. When I hear that someone robbed you, I will say "You totally deserved it. After all, there are others who drive rickety cars or older models. Why must you be so flashy?"

See how foolish that sounds?

Any one that cannot control their se'xual urges and takes forceful advantage or obtains non-consensual benefit is an animal and actually deserves to be treated as such, or even worse.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by sailormoon: 9:10pm On Jul 14, 2014
People should think about taking steps to reduce the risk of bad things happening, no doubt. In the case of räpe, failure to do so does not however mean the victim is to blame (urgh this 'blame' word is irking me), indeed some women could probably take steps to reduce the risk, i.e. not playing näked poker with a convicted räpist in his prison cell but even still, she isn't to blame, the räpist is. Please bear in mind that räpe is a premeditated action, it's not involuntary, it's not like sweating, I know plenty of men who are capable of not räping women, there is no excuse.

S/N: Fully aware that females aren't the only gender that are victims of rape, same with males being perpetrators.
Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by InesQor(m): 9:14pm On Jul 14, 2014
texanomaly: Let's stop stepping all around the issue here. We all know Ihe is not really referring to a woman who walks into a group of men naked. Let's discuss something that is likely to actually happen.

1. Let's say a girl is on a date with her bf. Afterward they go to his place. They are making out on the couch. Things get hot and heavy. Suddenly she decides she doesn't want to go any further and says "NO". Does the guy have the right to continue?

2. A guy and the girl are at school. They are talking in his room. He kisses her. She does not stop him. Things start to go farther than she is willing. If she asks him to stop, is he obligated to do so?

Now, in both case the girl went willingly to the guys place. She allowed him to kiss and touch her. She may have even started it. Is he obligated to stop when she asks him to, or is he justified in continuing when she says no?

In all cases, the man should have stopped immediately.

As much as we teach girls to stay safe, we need to teach our boys to pick themselves up like men when a lady says NO. No means no. The moment she says no, switch off your di'ck and your heart and switch on your brain!

If I was trying to get with someone and she tells me no, I will free her entirely. If she was "joking" or "playing hard to get", that's her tough luck. She said no, and that is it. NO. Even if my wife (when I get married) tells me NO, I'd stop whatever I was doing. Of course since she's my wife I can't free her up forever, but she'd need to really convince me next time.

Summarily, people need to grow some balls and stop giving lame excuses for being wild animals.

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Re: When Räpe Is Her Fault? by Mynd44: 9:18pm On Jul 14, 2014
texanomaly: Let's stop stepping all around the issue here. We all know Ihe is not really referring to a woman who walks into a group of men naked. Let's discuss something that is likely to actually happen.

1. Let's say a girl is on a date with her bf. Afterward they go to his place. They are making out on the couch. Things get hot and heavy. Suddenly she decides she doesn't want to go any further and says "NO". Does the guy have the right to continue?

2. A guy and the girl are at school. They are talking in his room. He kisses her. She does not stop him. Things start to go farther than she is willing. If she asks him to stop, is he obligated to do so?

Now, in both case the girl went willingly to the guys place. She allowed him to kiss and touch her. She may have even started it. Is he obligated to stop when she asks him to, or is he justified in continuing when she says no?
No means no. She owns her body damn it. Anything other than that is mollestation. What is with guys think she is asking for it or the crap about "her mouth says no but her body says another thing"

in both cases, the man should stop! There is no excuse here. Your dîck is an appendage and not your brain control it

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