TheBigUrban2:
Some truth and a little falsehood in your comment.

There are geniuses that are religious....they just suffer from cognitive dissonance....they can compartmentalize their brains. They ratioanl when it comes to their jobs and education but irrational when it comes to their religious beliefs.

you can't be a genius & be religious. don't mix the two together. they cannot reasonably defend their religion cos there's no empirical evidence or statistical facts backing their religion. if you cannot defend a cause then how are you a genius?

TheBigUrban2:



I will report you for trying to derail if you mention your Caucasian nonsense again. Not only is it false and racist, it is a strawman.


The thread is asking why it is a fact that intelligent people are more likely to be atheists or irreligious. We are not here to argue against facts but to find out why it is so. You have been warned

Lol, I really had to laugh when I read this.

Here you are stating a "fact" and implicitly suggesting from it that somehow it is better to be non-religious than to be religious. I am merely stating a similar "fact" that implies that it is better to be a white man than it is to be black but surprisingly you find that hard to swallow. How inconsistent.

I know that you are mad that I have exposed your poor reasoning. Here you are complaining and crying racism because it suggests that people's intelligence is based on race while totally ignoring the fact that you are doing something similar by suggesting that people's intelligence is based on their religious beliefs. What a hypocrite.

As I said earlier, you haven't shown a valid relationship between atheism and intelligence but you want us to merely assume that it is true and proceed to discuss "why".
Propaganda only works on fools my friend. Skeptics will always challenge your unfounded assumptions. It is ironic that you who claims to be a skeptic is suddenly uncomfortable and resorting to threats when others are skeptical of your position.

Please feel free to report to Seun or whoever you like. You've kissed his buttocks enough already. Perhaps he'll throw you a bone.

coogar:

you can't be a genius & be religious. don't mix the two together. they cannot reasonably defend their religion cos there's no empirical evidence or statistical facts backing their religion. if you cannot defend a cause then how are you a genius?

A part time genius?

rationalmind:

How old are you? You remind me of my pre-teen years.



The problem is, you rush to reply without taking time to understand what one is saying.

I can't remember saying you implied 99 percent of Nigerians are not intelligent. I did say you implied 99 percent of Nigerians are not likely to be intelligent.

Using your own analogy, by admitting intelligent cows are more likely to be brown, you are in other words saying white cows are not likely to be intelligent.

Note that I didn't say you implied white cows are not intelligent.

There's a difference, no matter how slight, between the two.



Except that this is your own built up strawman and never what I argued.

PS: I just saw your last reply. Now that you re-read my post as against rushing, you got the point I was intending to make.

Using "less likely" would have been more apt.

Since that's settled, I'll be back with my response.

You are right....


annoyingly right

MrAnony1:
Lol, I really had to laugh when I read this.

Here you are stating a "fact" and implicitly implying from it that somehow it is better to be non-religious than to be religious. I am merely stating a similar "fact" that implies that it is better to be a white man than it is to be black but surprisingly you find that hard to swallow. How inconsistent.

Is your house made of straw? Because the amount of strawmen you throw is astonishing.

1) I put a fact from numerous studies (intelligent people are more likely to be atheists). I did not say that being non-religious is better.

2) If you feel that it is not a fact that intelligent people are more likely to be atheists, TAKE IT UP WITH THE NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT SAY SO
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

TheBigUrban2:



Do you have any experience with Japan?


Atheism is simply the disbelief in god. A nontheist is an atheist.


Many Asians, especially the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans, follow their ancestral religions out of tradition not belief.

An atheist can burn incense, pray at ancestors' graves etc but he or she will still be an atheist if there is no belief in God.

If an atheist does all these things and still believes he is 'unstained,' then I agree with Alfaseltzer. Atheists are confused; and satan is w(inning)atching...

whatofyou:


If an atheist does all these things and still believes he is 'unstained,' then I agree with Alfaseltzer. Atheists are confused; and satan is w(inning)atching...

it is not only unstained, it is umblemished.....mtcheww

TheBigUrban2:
A part time genius?

a part-time genius is no genius....he's bi-polar

coogar:

a part-time genius is no genius....he's bi-polar

lmao


Why naa?

Einstein too get some kind madness...

TheBigUrban2:
lmao
Why naa?
Einstein too get some kind madness...

yes, his insanity is the type associated with geniuses. you cannot be that intelligent & not display some unusual attitude that normal 5 sensory organs will find difficult to understand.

TheBigUrban2:
Is your house made of straw? Because the amount of strawmen you throw is astonishing.

You haven't demonstrated that you know what a strawman fallacy is.

1) I put a fact from numerous studies (intelligent people are more likely to be atheists). I did not say that being non-religious is better.

I also put a fact from numerous studies (intelligent people are more likely to be white than dark-skinned). I did not say being white is better. Who's fooling who?

2) If you feel that it is not a fact that intelligent people are more likely to be atheists, TAKE IT UP WITH THE NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT SAY SO
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

If you think that it is not a fact that intelligent people are more likely to be caucasians than negroes then please TAKE IT UP WITH THE NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT SAY SO.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/140239668/IQ-and-Immigration-Policy-Jason-Richwine . Again, who is fooling who?

MrAnony1:
Highly advanced countries have a Christian historical foundation and a large white population. So what's your point?

This is false and disengenous and misleading.

First, what do you mean by advanced?
How do you define advanced from a historical context? . When exactly does a historical foundation begin? Does Nigeria, for example have a christian historical foundation?
Who are the advanced countries that have Christian historical foundation?
Was it Egypt, Summer, Babylon, Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Ancient Bagdad?

And by the way, have you selectively forgotten the period of history known as the Dark ages, when christian churchmen ruled the known world?

MrAnony1:

And studies also show that white men on average have the highest IQ. So what's your point?

Lies lies lies.

Studies show that Asianl men, on the average, have the highest IQ.

MrAnony1:


Yet our greatest minds and our bravest men have been religious: Nnamdi Azikiwe, Ahmadu Bello, Obafemi Awolowo e.t.c. So what's your point?

Incorrect.

These men were prominent men in a religious society who had to live the pretenses of being seen as religious.

You forgot to add, that in their private lives, Herbert MacCauly, Azikiwe and Awolowo were Rosicrucians, students and followers of the Rosicrucian philosophies, philosophies that transcend, reject and even mock the very narrow dogmas of religion.
So, we know from whence their greatness came.

MrAnony1:


Why are intelligent people more likely to be caucasian? What's your point?

That is not correct.
We also know that poverty affects IQ.
A white person from a society that with less poverty is more likely to have better IQ than one who had more poverty.

MrAnony1:

Actually it was skepticism that led me away from atheism. So what's your point?

That is a contradictory statement.
First, religion belief is irrational,... something that I think you or another christian have admitted on this forum. It is based purely on having something which you call faith.
If you can believe everything that is written in bible as the true words of the creator of the universe, and then dismiss my comic books as fictional fantasies, then you are irrational, and therefore cannot be deemed intelligent.

MrAnony1:

A valid relationship has not been shown by you to exist between intelligence and atheism,

A valid correlation between intelligence and atheism has long been established. Studies after studies have affirmed this.
Google is your friend.

MrAnony1:

I also put a fact from numerous studies (intelligent people are more likely to be white than dark-skinned). I did not say being white is better. Who's fooling who?


If you think that it is not a fact that intelligent people are more likely to be caucasians than negroes then please TAKE IT UP WITH THE NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT SAY SO.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/140239668/IQ-and-Immigration-Policy-Jason-Richwine . Again, who is fooling who?

Wow, you have lied and been dishonest so much that you dont even know when you do it; it is now a part of you!!

You claim that you have numerous studies that say that intelligent people are more likely to be caucasians than negores, yet you put up only two links to two articles (compared to my one link that referenced a decade of studies).


Your first link references a racist professor and not a study.

Your second link references a dissertation and not a study. Not only that, it is talking about IQs of immigrants from other countries (including white European ones).



I have reported you to mynd44 about your racist and false strawman.

#ignore mode.

Bias based on skin color in a religious arguement? Smh

Guys, let's play nice please

Mynd44: Bias based on skin color in a religious arguement? Smh

Guys, let's play nice please

be nice

TheBigUrban2:
Wow, you have lied and been dishonest so much that you dont even know when you do it; it is now a part of you!!
You claim that you have numerous studies that say that intelligent people are more likely to be caucasians than negores, yet you put up only two links to two articles (compared to my one link that referenced a decade of studies).
Your first link references a racist professor and not a study.
Your second link references a dissertation and not a study. Not only that, it is talking about IQs of immigrants from other countries (including white European ones).
I have reported you to mynd44 about your racist and false strawman.

#ignore mode.

You lost this one Logicboy. Anony is right and he only cited the "racist" IQ study in order to show the illogical nature of your OP. Skin color doesn't affect IQ and religiosity doesn't affect IQ.

Religion and stupidity might be bed buddies but that doesn't mean religious people are inherently dumber than atheists. Some atheists around these parts believe that aliens created humans, built pyramids and other random things, so stupidity is not exclusive to religion.
Religious people just find comfort and "the meaning of life" in their various mythologies and superstitions, but that doens't make them dumb. Religiosity is their reaction to the "absurdity of life" i.e a universe without discernible meaning or reason for human existence despite man's yearning for meaning.
Their life has meaning because "God bla bla bla bla bla bla...............bla". They find "God" better than the apparent reality that they are just one of billions of organisms on this planet that will eventually die and cease to exist.

Their religion might require them to believe and do some monumentally ret@rded things, but as you can see, most of them don't do the really dumb stuff.
Religion is just their coping mechanism.

plaetton:
Studies show that Asianl men, on the average, have the highest IQ.

Some spreading nonsense. It's this same type of nonsense that has people thinking that jewish farts smell like roses.

Martian:

You lost this one Logicboy. Anony is right and he only cited the "racist" IQ study in order to show the illogical nature of your OP. Skin color doesn't affect IQ and religiosity doesn't affect IQ.

Religion and stupidity might be bed buddies but that doesn't mean religious people are inherently dumber than atheists. Some "atheists" around these parts believe that aliens created humans, built pyramids and other random things, so stupidity is not exclusive to religion.
Religious people just find comfort and "the meaning of life" in their various mythologies and superstitions, but that doens't make them dumb. Religiosity is their reaction to the "absurdity of life" i.e a universe without discernible meaning or reason for human existence despite man's yearning for meaning.
Their religion might require them to believe and do some monumentally retarded things, but as you can see, most of them don't do the really dumb stuff.

I cited studies...no where did I call religious people stuupid or inherently dumber than atheists. Please, follow Anony to create a strawman thread abeg.


I stated a fact- intelligent people are more likely to be atheists/irreligious. Same conclusions made

Martian:

You lost this one Logicboy. Anony is right and he only cited the "racist" IQ study in order to show the illogical nature of your OP. Skin color doesn't affect IQ and religiosity doesn't affect IQ.

Religion and stupidity might be bed buddies but that doesn't mean religious people are inherently dumber than atheists. Some atheists around these parts believe that aliens created humans, built pyramids and other random things, so stupidity is not exclusive to religion.
Religious people just find comfort and "the meaning of life" in their various mythologies and superstitions, but that doens't make them dumb. Religiosity is their reaction to the "absurdity of life" i.e a universe without discernible meaning or reason for human existence despite man's yearning for meaning.
Their religion might require them to believe and do some monumentally ret@rded things, but as you can see, most of them don't do the really dumb stuff.
Religion is just their coping mechanism.

Furthermore, no one here said that religiousity affects IQ. You are either dull or just dishonest.

TheBigUrban2:
I cited studies...no where did I call religious people stupid or inherently dumber than atheists. Please, follow Anony to create a strawman thread abeg.

You cited studies, Anony cited studies and I can also cite studies that prove that unicorns are, in fact, real.
Hell, I read things everyday and the authors "cite studies" to buttress their imbecilic notions. So keep citing.

TheBigUrban2:
I stated a fact- intelligent people are more likely to be atheists/irreligious. Same conclusions made

I state a fact- the "most intelligent" people are more likely to abstain from affirming or denying the existence of mythological characters like atheists and religious people do.

Martian:

You cited studies, Anony cited studies and I can also cite studies that prove that unicorns are, in fact, real.
Hell, I read things everyday and the authors "cite studies" to buttress their imbecilic notions. So keep citing.

If you do not know what a scientific study is, keep quiet and ask gently.

You are embarrassing yourself.

TheBigUrban2:
Furthermore, no one here said that religiousity affects IQ. You are either dull or just dishonest.

No, but your post implies that religiosity depends on IQ.

Martian:

No, but your post implies that religiosity depends on IQ.

No, it just reads in your biased head that way

TheBigUrban2:

No, it just reads in your biased head that way

lol, so tell me, unbiased and erudite one, what is the point of your op?

Martian:

lol, so tell me, unbiased and erudite one, what is the point of your op?

If you are still asking this question by now, you didnt read the op properly.

So much for intelligence...smh

TheBigUrban2:

If you are still asking this question by now, you didnt read the op properly.

So much for intelligence...smh

Well, I'm not really intelligent. So tell me the point of your op, Einstein.

Martian:

Well, I'm not really intelligent. So tell me the point of your op, Einstein.

Olodostein, actually

Mynd44: Bias based on skin color in a religious arguement? Smh

Guys, let's play nice please

Dude, please read the arguments properly before shaking your head.

Martian:
Well, I'm not really intelligent. So tell me the point of your op, Einstein.

TheBigUrban2:

Olodostein, actually

......So this is how the conversation died out.

The question still remains: Dear Mr BigUrban, What is exactly is your point?


....crickets...

MrAnony1:
......So this is how the conversation died out.

The question still remains: Dear Mr BigUrban, What is exactly is your point?


....crickets...

lol...the point is clearly stated in the op. You just want to derail with your nonsense questions........

TheBigUrban2: 1) Highly advanced countries have huge/significant number of atheists in their population eg (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland)

2) Analysis of scientific studies over a decade shows that intelligent people are less likely to religious
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

3) Nigeria is a religious country with few atheists (less than 1%) of the population, yet our greatest minds have been atheists/agnostics/skeptics (Chinua Achebe, Soyinka, Seun Osewa, Tai Solarin)




[size=18pt]So the question remains- "why are intelligent people more likely to be atheists"?[/size]



What is your own say on this matter of intelligence?


NB; I use "atheism" in the general sense to cover irreligious people, deists, agnostics, skeptics etc


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TheBigUrban2:
lol...the point is clearly stated in the op. You just want to derail with your nonsense questions........

So the question remains- "why are intelligent people more likely to be atheists"?

Lol, so you really don't have a point. You just have a loaded question. Ok I see. Good luck

MrAnony1:
Lol, so you really don't have a point. You just have a loaded question. Ok I see. Good luck

loaded? Why is it loaded?

Do you have a problem with the fact that intelligent people are more likely to be atheists?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html


^^^^

Or are the studies false?