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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by TheBigUrban2: 9:54pm On Aug 09, 2014
sino:


Note if you may, this law is basically directed at Muslims, and it has no bearing on non Muslims. LIES

I believe you know what legal precedent means? Hence I believe the law is justified, knowing fully well the intrigues, fabrications and machinations which are hallmarks of Islamophobes...(something just reminded me of abdulsleek)



First off, apostasy by definition applies only to non-muslims. Simple common sense

Also, legal precedence doesnt justify a law- it only sets a direction for future similar cases to follow in court.

I cant believe that you think that I'm an islamophobe. Really? you know so little about christianity and atheism. I know a lot about Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Paganism and Atheism. I took time to study your religion, hence, Abdulsleek.
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by TheBigUrban2: 9:57pm On Aug 09, 2014
sino:

Now Mr man, is atheism a religion?
Do you guys also proselytise?


Atheism in not a religion. A religion requires a positive belief in something for people to gather around. Atheism is simply a disbelief.

Atheists do not generally proselytise and even if they did, proselytising doesnt make a religion. Belief does.

What is christianity without belief in Christ?
Buddhism without belief in Buddha's teachings?
Islam without belief in Allah?


Sino, you have been schooled cool
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 11:01pm On Aug 09, 2014
This thread serves as form of shock therapy, the shock has pushed a christian into the "loving" arms of hatetheist, united in a shared delusion. Moving on, as far back as 2005, a certain non-muslim noticed the apparent "deafness" of islamophobes, the media and others who made the strange claim muslims don't condemn terrorism.

Muslim leaders condemning terror to deaf?
Why don't we hear Muslim leaders condemning terrorism?
By MARK WOODS
In the wake of the London bombings, I called Parvez Ahmed, a Jacksonville resident who three months ago became chairman of perhaps the best-known Muslim organization in America, and asked him that. And there was silence. Well, just when the phone cut out. Once I got him back on the line, the University of North Florida professor who is the new chairman of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, did what he has been
doing ever since he woke up Thursday, logged onto his computer and saw the news.
He condemned the bombings. He condemned the people behind them. He did it immediately and unequivocally. "This is just absolute madness," he said. "It does not make any sense whatsoever. No ideology can even remotely justify what's going
on."
You want a Muslim condemnation of terrorism? How would you like it delivered? In the past week, Muslim groups have been condemning the attacks via e-mail blasts to the media, through news conferences, during a personal meeting with the British ambassador, in prayer services all over the country and, coming soon to television stations, with a public service announcement. This hardly is new. After Sept. 11, Muslim leaders issued statements, prayed for the victims, encouraged relief efforts and, in some cities, took out a full-page newspaper ad signed by 40 groups that said: "We condemn in the strongest terms possible the use of terror to further any political or religious cause."
Nearly 700,000 Muslims have signed a "Not in the Name of Islam" petition on CAIR's Web site that begins: "We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent." Yet when Ahmed speaks in public, the most common question is: Why don't Muslims denounce terrorism?
This has been a persistent drumbeat on talk radio, one that was echoed last year by syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin after CAIR took on a radio host in Boston. The organization, she wrote, "won't condemn Muslim fanatics, but it has declared war on outspoken Americans who will."
Just last week, following the London bombings, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman wrote, "To this day, no major Muslim cleric or religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden." Juan Cole, a University of Michigan history professor, quickly compiled a list of such condemnations. Not that people remember them.
They remember that some kids danced in the street when the towers came down. "There always will be lunatics who will try to justify the unjustifiable," Ahmed said. There certainly are legitimate reasons to question some Muslim groups (not to mention some Christian and Jewish groups). But to say that Muslims have remained silent after attacks not only
is inaccurate, Ahmed believes it fuels Osama bin Laden's Sept. 11 goal of a religious battle.
"That trap needs to be avoided," Ahmed said. "The breadth of Muslim voices against Al-Qaida, against Osama bin Laden, against 9/11, against such terrorism, is as broad as it can be, from the most conservative to the most liberal voices and everything in between." So why don't we hear Muslim leaders condemning terrorism? Maybe we're not listening.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071305/woo_19226307.shtml

www.archives2005.ghazali.net/html/muslim_leaders_condemn.html

As we have seen here so far, they are not listening or could be a classical example of the verse deaf, dumb, blind, they shall not return to the path for they are false to themselves?.

Next we shall examine the madrid bombing, and how it lead to the declaration of osama as an apostate etc.

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by TheBigUrban2: 11:18pm On Aug 09, 2014
^^^
When you keep calling anyone that disagrees with your religious position "islamophobes", you end up making no point.

A lengthy post wasted.

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by Empiree: 2:42am On Aug 10, 2014
TheBigUrban2: ^^^

It's time for fajr prayer in makkah and Medina. Please get off net and join the way to success. Thank You
http://www.searchtruth.com/tv.php

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by cloudstar: 11:52pm On Aug 10, 2014
TheBigUrban2: ^^^
When you keep calling anyone that disagrees with your religious position "islamophobes", you end up making no point.

A lengthy post wasted.

They usually go in the opposite direction when asked simple questions about violence in their religion. It's almost like asking a thief why is stole and his response is because your great great grand father was a thief as well grin

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by TheBigUrban2: 8:37am On Aug 11, 2014
cloudstar:

They usually go in the opposite direction when asked simple questions about violence in their religion. It's almost like asking a thief why is stole and his response is because your great great grand father was a thief as well grin


Atheist/Christian; Mosques should do more against the Boko Haram menace by preaching against radicalism and getting informants to report on activities

Typical NL Muslim; Sharrap there! What about the USA? Bombing of Iraq? What about the Isrealis bombin Palestine? Why dont you stop the LRA? Is it only muslims that are terrorists? Islamophobes!! You want to oppress innocent muslims with spies eh?



Fortunately, there are some few sensible muslims here that one can have a rational discussion with

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by usba: 12:43pm On Aug 11, 2014
cloudstar:

Most Muslims are not objective when though questions about violence and extremism in Islam is brought to light. Instead of answering the question, they turn 360 degrees and start talking about Christians.

grin grin [img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1616272_but-thats-none-of-my2_jpegdb8bf32fb78dfdc00614d8f656cf923b[/img]

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 2:42pm On Aug 11, 2014
^^^

Pls it would be very appreciated if you do not contribute towards derailing this thread. thank you. Nice picture though wink .

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 4:07pm On Aug 12, 2014
Condmenation of ISIS
Rilwayne001: Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Fawzan:
Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Fawzan is a member of the Council for Human Rights, a Professor in Islamic Jurisprudence and the Head of the Department of Comparative Jurisprudence at the Islamic University of Imam Muhammad b. Saud in Saudi Arabia.[18] He says:

“ISIS is a rogue, external criminal organisation. Whoever knows of what afflicted us in Iraq and Afghanistan and the blood that was spilled unjustly at the hands of some ignorant individuals in our nation will understand the gravity of what is happening in Syria.”

Dr. Abdul Karim Bakkar:
Dr. Abdul Karim Bakkar is one of the leading authors in the field of education and Islamic thought, who seeks to provide a deep-rooted analysis into matters concerning Islamic civilisation, renaissance and Da’wah. He has more than 40 books in this area. Dr. Abdul Karim Bakkar is a member of the Advisory Board for the Islam Today magazine (Riyadh).[19] He says:

“I met a number of students of knowledge and Islamic jurists returning from Syria. I swear by the One besides whom there is no god that the only thing they spoke about were the repulsive actions of ISIS and their crimes. ISIS and the Assad regime are two faces of one evil.”

Dr. Shafi al-Ajmi:

Dr. Al-Ajmi sought knowledge under the supervision of Sheikh Muhammad b. Saalih and Sheikh Yahya al-Yahya. He studied at the University of Imam Muhammad b. Saud and is now the Imām of al-Ghazali Mosque in Kuwait.[20]He quotes:

“I have not heard of a single scholar inside or outside of Syria who has praised this faction, had good suspicion of them or defended them, rather they have unanimously agreed that they are aggressors. Al-Baghdadi’s aim, since entering Syria is to weaken the fighters and he has indeed weakened al-Nusra Front and Ahraar al-Shaam and continues to do so.”

Sheikh Abu Basir al-Tartusi:

Sheikh Abu Basir al-Tartusi has played the effective role of the Syrian revolution’s Mufti. It is said that Sheikh al-Tartusi was the first Arab fighter to travel to Afghanistan in 1981, accompanying Abdullah Azzam on one of his trips. He has authored many books and is the founder of several of the revolution’s coordination groups.[21] He says:

“The group known as ISIS are from the fanatical Khawārij, rather they have surpassed the Khawārij in many of their characteristics and actions, combining between fanaticism, aggression, hostility and shedding inviolable blood.” He further said: “We call upon all sincere individuals who have been fooled by them while still with this misguided group to severe their ties with it and to declare their freedom from it and its actions.”

Sheikh Abdullah Saad:

The Sheikh and notable Muhadtih Abdullah b. Abdul Rahman b. Mohammed Al-Saad Al-Mutairi is one of those at the forefront of 20th and 21st century Muslim scholars. His teachers include, Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Baz, Sheikh Mohammed b. Saalih and Sheikh Abdullah b. Abdul Rahman al-Jibreen. He has authored tens of books and has explanations of Bukhāri, Sunan Abī Dāwūd, Jāmi’ al-Tirmithi and others.[22]He says:

“I plea to whoever joined this faction (ISIS) to leave it and move away from it, and for its leaders to return to the truth and to repent to Allāh from the grave mistakes they have fallen into…”

Sheikh Abdullah al-Mahiseny:

Sheikh al-Mahiseny is a specialist in Islamic Jurisprudence, acquiring a PhD in Comparative Fiqh in the subject: “Rulings Concerning War Refugees in Islamic Jurisprudence.”[23] He says:

“By Allāh, I have never witnessed the scholars who speak about matters of Jihād agree on criticising and opposing a Muslim movement as they have agreed on condemning ISIS.” Sheikh Mahiseny concluded by saying: “I implore you by Allāh O Baghdadi to allow a general Islamic court mediate to uphold the injunctions of Allāh.”

Sheikh Adnan Mohammed al-Aroor:

Sheikh Adnan al-Aroor is currently the Director of Research and Publishing in Riyadh. He grew up seeking knowledge in Syria under several scholars including Sheikh al-Albani and Sheikh b. Baz.[24] He is one of the most notable scholarly icons of the Syrian revolution and has a multitude of published works. Sheikh al-Aroor says, directing his question at ISIS:

“Did Allāh set conditions that must be met before accepting that the Qur’ān arbitrate [in the affairs of difference]? Then where did you get these conditions [that you set] from? Why do you leave military fronts such as Homs and dedicate your efforts to the areas near the Turkish borders? … Who are the people of religious authority (ahl al-hal wal-’aqd) who you consulted before establishing your ‘state’? Do you aim to overthrow the sectarian dictator or to fight others [who want to achieve this]? … What is your Islamic proof that justifies your pledge to someone unknown?”[25] He furthermore states: “ISIS are either Khawārij or infiltrated by the [Syrian] regime. It is composed of three groups of people: brutal Takfīrīs, wicked infiltrators and people deceived by them.”

The Scholars of Aleppo Front:

The Scholars of Aleppo Front issued a statement encouraging the sincere members of ISIS to leave this faction and join the legitimate revolutionary forces in Syria for the crime that has been perpetrated by this group, including:

Accusations of disbelief (takfīr), their shedding of inviolable blood without a second thought, kidnappings and documented armed robberies of weapons and ammunition from other rebel factions, their refusal to allow the Sharī’ah to arbitrate between them and the other factions and sowing the seeds of discord between fighers. ISIS’s takfīr sometimes extend to the entire population of Syria. This includes takfīr boldly levelled at the Free Syrian Army, accusing Ahraar al-Shaam that they are misguided ‘Surūrīs’ and that al-Nusra Front have defied their alleged ‘Khalīfah’.[26]

A Joint Statement of 47 Scholars in Saudi Arabia
Including Al-Ghunaymaan, Al-‘Umar, Al-Mahmoud and Al-Jalali Al-Mahmoud

The joint statement asserted that it is impermissible and of tyranny for one faction to impose itself as the only holder of legitimacy and that it is necessary that all other groups pledge allegiance to it without consulting the Muslims, otherwise they become of the Khawārij and their blood becomes permissible. It argued that this is the main reason for divisions and internal fighting. Sheikh Hamoud b. Ali al-Omari added: “The reality of the matter is, every drop of blood shed between the (rebel) factions in Syria is due to al-Baghdadi’s refusal to allow the Sharī’ah to arbitrate while implementing his own innovated Sharī’ah.”

There is no act, the punishment for which has been mentioned more sternly than that of killing a believer intentionally where a collection of five severe retributions have been listed:

“But whoever kills a believer intentionally – his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allāh has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.”[27]

Conclusion

Above are only some of the verdicts issued against ISIS by leading Muslim scholars. Such an agreement between scholars, analysts and intellectuals should shake the heart of any individual who has participated in hampering the revolutionary effort while imposing an innovated ideology on its people. This neither pleases Allāh nor is it to the betterment of Syria. Syrians are in no need of further repression. Sincere individuals who have joined ISIS believing it endorses the true purpose of Islam should rush to change course and avoid further gambling with their permanent abode and with a Syrian future that balances on a knife’s edge.

www.islam21c.com/politics/conclusive-scholarly-opinions-on-isis/

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 4:08pm On Aug 12, 2014
Rilwayne001: The muslim leaders are already condemning the ISIS

Most scholars used the Arabic abbreviation ‘Dā’esh’ in reference to ISIS. ‘Dā’esh’ has been substituted for ISIS for the convenience of the reader.

Sheikh Abu Abdullah al-Masry:

Sheikh al-Masry was previously a member of ISIS but withdrew from them on the basis of their ideology and methodology. He justifies his withdrawal by mentioning ISIS’s defamation of the people of Syria, claiming they were ideologically misguided[11], asking how this could be the case if the Prophet salla Allāhu ‘alayh wasalam said: ”If the people of Shaam corrupt, there is no good in you.” The Sheikh adds:

“The behaviour of many elements in ISIS including leaders consistently is offensive towards the people of Syria and its Mujāhidīn, accusing them of misguidance in belief and action.” He further said: “They moreover repeatedly accuse the people of Syria and the Free Syrian Army (FSA) of disbelief (Kufr).”

The Sheikh also argued that ISIS cannot be theoretically classified as Khawārij although practically this may be the case since they throw around accusations of disbelief without evidence and without understanding the gravity of such a charge. Rather, they may indict someone as a disbeliever merely on the grounds of disagreeing with them. Many of them believe that the people of Syria are originally apostates before creating justifications to this effect, raising weapons in their faces for the most trivial of matters.

Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi:

Sheikh al-Tarifi is a Researcher in the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Riyadh. The Sheikh is deeply erudite in the sciences of Islam, known for his profound ability to retrieve evidences and issue meticulous verdicts. Among his teachers are Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baz, Faqih Abdullah b. Abdul Aziz b. Aqeel and Sheikh Muhammad b. al-Hasan al-Shanqeeti. The sheikh has an extensive number of printed works.[12]

He states:

“It is impermissible for anyone to make his group or party a milestone against which loyalty and hostility are measured, such that he believes that allegiance and leadership should belong to him exclusively. Whoever believes that sole allegiance applies to him (or his party) from amongst all Muslims, then upon him apply the words of Allāh: “Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad salla Allāh ‘alayh wasalam) have no concern in them in the least.”[13]“

The Sheikh added: “it is incorrect that while in a state of fighting and factions that one group should request individual and general allegiance and all that it entails. The allegiance is to the Jihād, constancy, patience and reform. It is incorrect that one individual who leads a particular faction to call himself Amīr al-Mu’minīn (the leader of the Believers), rather he should call himself the leader of the army, the battalion or the battle. General leadership is determined by Shūrā (consultation) between believers, not for an individual to assume. Titles cause exclusivity that can lead to dispute, conflict, strife and evil… [Therefore], participating with ISIS so long as it does not agree with the law of Allāh, independent of it is impermissible.”


Sheikh Sulaiman b. Nasser al-Alwan:

The Sheikh began pursuing knowledge at the age of fifteen. He has written comprehensive explanations of Hadīth books including Sahīh al-Bukhari, Jāmi’ Abū Issa al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Abī Dāwūd, Muwata’ Mālik among many others.[14] He quotes:

“Al-Baghdadi is not the Khalīfah of the Muslims for him to do whatever he pleases; rather he is a leader of a faction. Requesting a pledge of allegiance, killing those who refuse is the action of an aggressor, not the action of a person of good and righteousness.” He further said: “If his own leader does not agree with his actions, how can he expect allegiance from others?”

Sheikh Muhammad b. Salih al-Munajjid:

Sheikh Mohammad al-Munajjid is a renowned scholar of Islam with an array of recognised works (including IslamQA.com). His teachers include Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baz, Sheikh Abdullah b. Abdul Rahman b. Jibreen and Sheikh Abdul Rahman al-Barrak. He is currently the imām of the Mosque of Omar b. Abdul Aziz al-Khobar.[15] He says:

“If a group thinks, for example, that it has established the Islamic state, its leader is the ‘Leader of the Believers’, that he should be listened to and obeyed by everyone, that anyone not under his command has rebelled against him, that [this ‘state’] has the authority to draw up borders, elect leaders over towns, that it has authority over public wealth, petrol, wheat and so on, that others should forcefully submit to them while they can stop whoever they want, that they have the sole authority of establishing Islamic courts and judges and that every court besides theirs is void, it has deviated. This will no doubt create competition over control of regions and eventually lead to a great Fitnah and bloodshed.”
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Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi:

Sheikh Muhammad al-Maqdisi is considered the guide of the ‘Jihadist Salafist’ movement in Jordan. His name is Issam Barqawi but is famously known as Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi. Far from siding with ISIS,[16] he says in a letter to the Mujāhidīn of Syria after hearing of ISIS and their behaviour with other fighters:

“…and we do not feel ashamed to declare that we are free from the actions of those who dare spill the blood of Muslims whoever they may be.” He further added: “How can you be expected to accommodate all Syrians including Christians and other sects [if you cannot even accommodate other Muslims]?”

Dr. Hassan Saleh b. Hamid:

Dr. Hassan Saleh has a PhD in the principles of Fiqh and Sharī’ah, he is the Director of the Institute of Higher Islamic Education at the Umm Al-Qura University in Makkah and is a Member of the (Islamic) Advisory council.[17] He says:

[i]“No one going to Syria to fight is excused to be part of al-Baghadi’s faction for even a moment… they are a faction that brings Fitnah, whenever they are called to a court for religious arbitration they turn away and whenever a truce is declared, they reignite the war.”[/i

http://www.islam21c.com/politics/conclusive-scholarly-opinions-on-isis/

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 12:41am On Sep 15, 2014
Omexonomy: What do u suggest we non muslims do when we cotinue to hear and see violence nd wickedness being perpetuated by muslims promising each fighter 72 virgin by quoting the koran and hadith to support their evil
WHAT DID YOU WANT WE MUSLIM TO SAY ABOUT THESE TEACHING OF THE BIBLE


Matthew 10:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,but a sword

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

LUKE 19-27King James Version (KJV)


But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by cloudstar: 12:08am On Sep 16, 2014
tola9ja: WHAT DID YOU WANT WE MUSLIM TO SAY ABOUT THESE TEACHING OF THE BIBLE


Matthew 10:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,but a sword

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

LUKE 19-27King James Version (KJV)

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Another ignorant baffon who learns the Bible from his imam and who has refused to read the entire chapter to understand what is going on. Since you are too lazy to try or too stupi.d to read, I will help you:

The passage in Matthew and Luke 19 are the same. Here is goes from Luke 19:1 - 27

1. And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.

2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.

4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11 And as they heard these things, HE ADDED AND SPAKE A PARABLE, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


Please open your eyes and read verse 11 very well. The passage clearly states that it was a parable. Jesus always taught in parables so people could understand what he was saying. Verse 12 also clearly states that the parable was about a certain noble man or king.

People like you who can't see the spiritual violence that is wrecking Islam always wants to justify such 7th century cave-man like behavior with other religions. In the future, do yourself a favor and read the text before you make yourself look stupi.d on a public forum

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by boykas(m): 7:59pm On Sep 16, 2014
malvisguy212: I live in kaduna, the day obama bin laden was killed and the day saddam hussein was capture, many muslims in kaduna was very sad, they threaten to fight religious war.terrorist , why only muslims? What about others religion ? Hindu,judaism , jew,and many more, IF THE FOUNDATION IS FAULTY , THERE IS NOTHIN YOU CAN DO.

U can lie!!! Most of u hyprocrite will die like dis and God almighty wnt forgive u even if u ask for forgivenes, I was posted to kaduna br,kano rd by my company and all muslims in d bank were d most happiest people in d world cuz of thebad tribulation d man caused to d muslim. U r a beast nd belive me, u will die in dis mess.
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by cloudstar: 8:17pm On Sep 16, 2014
boykas:

U can lie!!! Most of u hyprocrite will die like dis and God almighty wnt forgive u even if u ask for forgivenes, I was posted to kaduna br,kano rd by my company and all muslims in d bank were d most happiest people in d world cuz of thebad tribulation d man caused to d muslim. U r a beast nd belive me, u will die in dis mess.

There is no denying that some Muslims celebrated when 9/11 took place. I am not claiming that all Muslims were happy or had no resmorse but some Muslims celebrated in the face events like 9/11.

Here you go:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 10:26pm On Sep 16, 2014
cloudstar:

Another ignorant baffon who learns the Bible from his imam and who has refused to read the entire chapter to understand what is going on. Since you are too lazy to try or too stupi.d to read, I will help you:

The passage in Matthew and Luke 19 are the same. Here is goes from Luke 19:1 - 27

1. And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.

2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.

4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11 And as they heard these things, HE ADDED AND SPAKE A PARABLE, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


Please open your eyes and read verse 11 very well. The passage clearly states that it was a parable. Jesus always taught in parables so people could understand what he was saying. Verse 12 also clearly states that the parable was about a certain noble man or king.

People like you who can't see the spiritual violence that is wrecking Islam always wants to justify such 7th century cave-man like behavior with other religions. In the future, do yourself a favor and read the text before you make yourself look stupi.d on a public forum

i accept ur fabrication oya fabricate this 1



Matthew 10:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.



2 Samuel 22:7-9King James Version (KJV)

7 In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.

8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils grin grin grin, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it grin grin grin

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by cloudstar: 2:26am On Sep 17, 2014
tola9ja

i accept ur fabrication oya fabricate this 1 - Matt 10: 34-35

grin grin. Fabrication, you don't say. You raised an ignorant point, I disarmed it and provided the historical and traditional context of the subject matter in Luke. You failed to do the same in Matthew 10:34-35. Your problem is that you don't read the Bible, you listen to imams who want to justify the violence in Islam by comparing it with the teachings of Jesus. Apart from the fact that Jesus never killed anyone nor did he marry and had intercourse with a 9 year old child; we can truly say that Jesus taught concepts that resonates generations later.

Read Matthew 5:43-48:

43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

That is the teaching of the Messiah. Moving forward, what did Jesus do when one of his disciple drew his sword and cut of the ear of a temple guard, it is recorded in Matthew 26:51-54:

51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

The same event is recorded in the gospel of Luke 22:49-51:

49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? 50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

Again, the gospel record that Jesus forbid violence and rebuked it several times. Since you want to justify it, you wouldn't see that. I will do justice to your question in Matthew 10:34-35, when I am done, you can go to your imam and ask him again:

'''''At first glance it indeed appears that Jesus encourages violence and calls his disciples to practice it, presumably righteous violence. But appearances can be deceiving. A text without a context often becomes a pretext, as the old saying goes. Once this verse is read in its historical and literary contexts, the meaning will change. It is time to set the record straight about that verse

The historical context, we should recall, is Jewish culture, as Jesus ministers to his own people. He sends out the twelve disciples to the "lost sheep of Israel," not yet to the gentiles, who will be reached after the Resurrection. It is not surprising, historically speaking, that he would spread his word by proclamation to his own, by Jewish disciples. Second, he predicts that some towns may not receive the disciples and that the authorities may put them on trial and flog them. In that eventuality, they should shake the dust off their feet, pray for them, and flee to another city. Third, it is only natural that first-century Jews may not understand this new sect or "Jesus movement" (as sociologists of the New Testament call it), so they resist it. Does this mean, then, that Jesus calls for a holy war with a physical, military sword against his fellow Jews—say, against his own family who wanted to take custody of him because they thought he was "out of his mind" (Mark 3:21)?

Next, those cultural facts explain the immediate literary context, which shows division among family members. The context must be quoted in full to explain the meaning of "sword" in Matthew 10:34 (bold print):

32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

-- a man against his father,
-- a daughter against her mother,
-- a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household [Micah 7:6]

37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

The one key element in this lengthy passage is the word "sword," and its meaning is now clear. It indicates that following Jesus in his original Jewish society may not bring peace to a family, but may "split" it up, the precise function of a metaphorical sword. Are his disciples ready for that? This kind of spiritual sword invisibly severs a man from his father, and daughter from her mother, and so on (Micah 7:6). Given Jesus’ own family resistance early on (they later came around), it is only natural he would say that no matter what the cost, one must follow him to the end, even if it means giving up one’s family. But this applies only if the family rejects the new convert, not if the family accepts him in his new faith; he must not reject them, because the whole point of Jesus’ advent is to win as many people to his side as possible, even if this divides the world in two, but never violently.

Now we can appeal to even a much larger textual context. The non-literal interpretation of the sword is confirmed by a parallel passage in the Gospel of Luke.

Luke 12:49-53 reads:

49 "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo [my death], and how distressed I am until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Whatever the case, the proper way to interpret Scripture is to let verses clarify other verses, particularly parallel passages. And now Luke 12:49-53 confirms our interpretation of Matt. 10:34. Jesus did not endorse physical violence against one’s own family, but he warns people about possible family division.

History demonstrates that Jesus never wielded a sword against anyone, and in Matt. 10:34 he does not order his followers to swing one either, in order to kill their family opponents or for any reason. But a true disciple who is worthy of following Christ and who comes from a possibly hostile family has to use a sword of the will (never a physical sword) to sever away all opposition, even as far as taking up his cross—another metaphorical implement for the disciples. It is true that Jesus divides the world into two camps, those who follow him, and those who do not, those in the light, and those in the dark. However, he never tells his followers to wage war on everyone else, and certainly not on one’s family.

It is true that the Roman Emperor Constantine, Medieval Crusaders, and Protestants and Catholics have used the sword against unbelievers and each other. However, none of them is foundational to Christianity—only Jesus is, and he never endorses the sword to spread his message. Also, Christianity has undergone Reform (c. 1400-1600) and has been put under the pressure of the Enlightenment (c. 1600-1800), which demanded peace. Be that as it may, Jesus himself never calls for military holy war, and only he sets the genetic code for his movement.

There is not a single verse in the New Testament that calls the Church to commit violence to spread the gospel or to plant churches or to accomplish anything else. Rather, the New Testament hands the sword over to the State (Rom. 13:1-6). In any case, Jesus says a spiritual sword, not a physical one, may sever family ties, so his disciples must be ready for that.


So, do yourself a favor and study the Bible for once in your life, it will do you some good.

2 Samuel 22:7-9

So, how does this verse teach Christians to kill non-Christians?

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 10:04am On Sep 17, 2014
cloudstar: tola9ja


Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.


MATTHEW 10:34
I HAVE NOT BRING PEACE BUT SWORD THAT MEANS IF U ACCEPT WHAT JESUS BRING U WILL PERISH SEE HOW U ARE CON CONTRADICTING YOURSELF
cloudstar:
love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

DID U LOVE THE BOKO HARAM ARE U PRAYING FOR THEM


cloudstar:

2 Samuel 22:7-9
THESE SHOWS THAT YOUR LORD IS SANGO SMOKE CAME OUT IS NOSTRIL [INA LOJU INA LENU]

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by cloudstar: 4:23pm On Sep 17, 2014
tola9ja

MATTHEW 10:34
I HAVE NOT BRING PEACE BUT SWORD THAT MEANS IF U ACCEPT WHAT JESUS BRING U WILL PERISH SEE HOW U ARE CON CONTRADICTING YOURSELF

Jesus didn't marry and 6 year old child and slept with her. Jesus didn't rob caravans. Jesus didn't kill anyone. Read the Bible back to back and show me anywhere Jesus killed anyone. Compare that to Mohammad. He killed and asked his companions to rape because Allah endorsed it. He stole and sold slaves.

DID U LOVE THE BOKO HARAM ARE U PRAYING FOR THEM

I pray that God will intervene with Boko Haram and I pray for them but don't mistake my prayers and love for stupidi.ty or passiveness. As Christians we must loathe war but we also had to defeat Hitler, the lover of war. We are taught to be as harmless as doves but as wise as serpents. Because I am a Christian doesn't mean I leave my door open and don't lock it when I go to bed at night. The same God that told us to love is the same that will judge the wicked and evil people.

THESE SHOWS THAT YOUR LORD IS SANGO SMOKE CAME OUT IS NOSTRIL [INA LOJU INA LENU]

Perhaps you need to go to school and again and learn realize when a text is figurative rather than literal - I can't help you with that one grin. You have displayed your understanding of the Bible and honestly, all I can do for you is hope you had a good college degree. More enlighten Muslims don't debate with such arguments but since you discovered youtube and imams who rather find violence with Jesus to justify the craziness happening in Islam today; all I can do is pray for you.

Please go and figure out why Sunnis and Shias are killing themselves in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Go figure out why someone can convert from a Muslim to another faith in a Muslim dominated country. When you have figure those out - then come to me and discuss violence in the Bible.

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by boykas(m): 10:13pm On Sep 17, 2014
cloudstar:

There is no denying that some Muslims celebrated when 9/11 took place. I am not claiming that all Muslims were happy or had no resmorse but some Muslims celebrated in the face events like 9/11.

Here you go:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

was that kaduna...bt u claim its was kaduna,we were nt happy abt 9/11. even here in Nigeria, when i traveled to dubal with my friends they were all talking about it and they were nt happy
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 10:15pm On Sep 17, 2014
cloudstar: tola9ja

Jesus didn't marry and 6 year old child and slept with her. Jesus didn't rob caravans. Jesus didn't kill anyone. Read the Bible back to back and show me anywhere Jesus killed anyone. Compare that to Mohammad. He killed and asked his companions to rape because Allah endorsed it. He stole and sold slaves

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where did u see the verse that said muhammed kills and ask is companion to rape?
did you think muhammed follow what is inside the bible?

CAN THE WORD OF THE CREATOR OF THE WORLD CONTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THESE


Song of Solomon 7:1-13King James Version (KJV)

7 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3 Thy two[b] bosoms[/b] are like two young roes that are twins.

4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.

6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!

7 This thy[b] stature is like to a palm tree, and thy bosoms to clusters of grapes[/b].

8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy bosoms shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.

10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.

11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.(EMIRATE STADIUM)LOL

12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.

13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.



Ruth 3:1-4King James Version (KJV)

3 Then Naomi her mother in law said unto her, My daughter, shall I not seek rest for thee, that it may be well with thee?

2 And now is not Boaz of our kindred, with whose maidens thou wast? Behold, he winnoweth barley to night in the threshingfloor.

3 Wash thyself therefore, and anoint thee, and put thy raiment upon thee, and get thee down to the floor: but make not thyself known unto the man, until he shall have done eating and drinking.

4 And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.




Proverbs 7:11-14King James Version (KJV)

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

PLEASE BE SINCERE SHOULD CHILDREN BE ALLOW TO READ THESE
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 11:00pm On Sep 17, 2014
Deuteronomy 14:21-22Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 You shall not eat of anything that dies of itself. You may give it to the stranger or the foreigner who is within your towns, that he may eat it, or you may sell it to an alien. [They are not under God’s law in this matter] but you are a people holy to the Lord your God. You shall not [even] boil a kid in its mother’s milk.

22 You shall surely tithe all the yield of your seed produced by your field each year.



beware of eating food from your christian neighbour hood because you can see what there scripture teaches them to do grin grin grin grin
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 10:18am On Sep 18, 2014
I hope you guys know you are derailing my thread, this seems to be the intent of the non-muslims right from page one, we should stop indulging them, there are many more fatwas and statement condemning terrorism that needs to placed on this thread.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by winner01(m): 10:45am On Sep 18, 2014
tola9ja:

i accept ur fabrication oya fabricate this 1



Matthew 10:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.



2 Samuel 22:7-9King James Version (KJV)

7 In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.

8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils grin grin grin, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it grin grin grin
there is no justifiable for violence in christianity, God the son (Jesus Christ) came and showed us the perfect way to live life unlike an "alledgedly sent prophet" who fought violently to "protect islam from persecution".....God is all-powerful, we don't fight for him, he fights for us...Jesus Christ the only perfect being never encouraged the sword and condemned it at all times even when his disciples were trying to protect him from being arrested.....these verses and other "violent verses that people twist in other to justify the madness of other faiths" was explained in details by me sometime ago...pls go to this link.; https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10203064762133362&id=1634959181&refid=17&_ft_ .....And to those condemning christianity on isreal-gaza whatever...isreal is presently more of an islamic country than a christianity thanks to a "prophet" who forcefully converted many jews. (Muslims 16.8 percent, christians 3.2 percent) u can google the religious breakdown of isreal.

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Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 10:47am On Sep 18, 2014
^^^
FINAL WARNING!
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by winner01(m): 10:54am On Sep 18, 2014
tola9ja: where did u see the verse that said muhammed kills and ask is companion to rape?
did you think muhammed follow what is inside the bible?

CAN THE WORD OF THE CREATOR OF THE WORLD CONTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THESE


Song of Solomon 7:1-13King James Version (KJV)

7 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3 Thy two[b] bosoms[/b] are like two young roes that are twins.

4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.

6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!

7 This thy[b] stature is like to a palm tree, and thy bosoms to clusters of grapes[/b].

8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy bosoms shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.

10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.

11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.(EMIRATE STADIUM)LOL

12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.

13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.



Ruth 3:1-4King James Version (KJV)

3 Then Naomi her mother in law said unto her, My daughter, shall I not seek rest for thee, that it may be well with thee?

2 And now is not Boaz of our kindred, with whose maidens thou wast? Behold, he winnoweth barley to night in the threshingfloor.

3 Wash thyself therefore, and anoint thee, and put thy raiment upon thee, and get thee down to the floor: but make not thyself known unto the man, until he shall have done eating and drinking.

4 And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.




Proverbs 7:11-14King James Version (KJV)

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

PLEASE BE SINCERE SHOULD CHILDREN BE ALLOW TO READ THESE

. So you don't know that mohammed married a minor, endorsed slavery, engaged in violence.....I doubt if ur a muslim...go to this link and learn more about your prophet. www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/contrast.htm
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 5:46pm On Sep 18, 2014
winner01: . So you don't know that mohammed married a minor, endorsed slavery, engaged in violence.....I doubt if ur a muslim...go to this link and learn more about your prophet. www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/contrast.htm
when ever i wanted to give u evidence i qoute quran and bible not link that is why you where miss guided by your so call pastors

Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by tola9ja: 5:52pm On Sep 18, 2014
winner01: there is no justifiable for violence in christianity, God the son (Jesus Christ) came and showed us the perfect way to live life unlike an "alledgedly sent prophet" who fought violently to "protect islam from persecution".....God is all-powerful, we don't fight for him, he fights for us...Jesus Christ the only perfect being never encouraged the sword and condemned it at all times even when his disciples were trying to protect him from being arrested.....these verses and other "violent verses that people twist in other to justify the madness of other faiths" was explained in details by me sometime ago...pls go to this link.; https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10203064762133362&id=1634959181&refid=17&_ft_ .....And to those condemning christianity on isreal-gaza whatever...isreal is presently more of an islamic country than a christianity thanks to a "prophet" who forcefully converted many jews. (Muslims 16.8 percent, christians 3.2 percent) u can google the religious breakdown of isreal.
is these not an evidence

Matthew 10:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by winner01(m): 10:53pm On Sep 18, 2014
tola9ja: when ever i wanted to give u evidence i qoute quran and bible not link that is why you where miss guided by your so call pastors
don't be demented, this is not about pastors, this is not about church, its about truth....ull see many verses and suras as evidence in that link...
Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by winner01(m): 10:59pm On Sep 18, 2014
tola9ja: is these not an evidence

Matthew 10:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(5). In matthew 10;34-36, Bros, U
and your friends dont quote the context in full,
so that people will see this sword as a violent
"sword".in Matthew 10:34 : 32 "Whoever
acknowledges me before men, I will also
acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33
But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown
him before my Father in heaven. 34 Do not
suppose that I have come to bring peace to the
earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a
man against his father, a daughter against her
mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-
law—36 a man’s enemies will be the members of
his own household [Micah 7:6] 37 Anyone who
loves his father or mother more than me is not
worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or
daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and
anyone who does not take up his cross and follow
me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake
will find it." The one key element in this lengthy
passage is the word "sword," and its meaning is
now clear. It indicates that following Jesus in his
original Jewish society may not bring peace to a
family, but may "split" it up, the precise function
of a metaphorical sword. Are his disciples ready
for that? This kind of spiritual sword invisibly
severs a man from his father, and daughter from
her mother, and so on (Micah 7:6). Given Jesus’
own family resistance early on (they later came
around), it is only natural he would say that no
matter what the cost, one must follow him to the
end, even if it means giving up one’s family. But
this applies only if the family rejects the new
convert, not if the family accepts him in his new
faith; he must not reject them, because the whole
point of Jesus’ advent is to win as many people to
his side as possible, even if this divides the world
in two, but never violently.

(6). About Luke 22:36...Up until this point, the
disciples had operated under the aegis of both
Roman and Jewish law. They were seen as just
another group of disciples of some charismatic
Rabbi. If he had some strange ideas he was
teaching, well, so did plenty of others. But now,
all that was about to change. He was going to be
taken by the Jews, tried and convicted and put to
death by the Romans. Suddenly their Master's
public status was about to go from "eccentric
Rabbi" to "criminal condemned for stirring up
trouble with the Romans," which would turn those
who supported him into fugitives, at least
temporarily. Here, he was trying to explain to
them that they would need to be prepared to stay
mobile (side note: the word fugitive comes from a
Latin root meaning "to flee"wink: they would need to
always have a purse (for money) and a bag (to
carry basic supplies) ready, and that a sword (for
protection against other men) was to be more
important to them than a cloak (for protection
against the elements) in the days to come. But as
we see repeatedly throughout the Gospels, the
disciples never really "got" the whole "Jesus is
going to die and then be resurrected" thing until
after it was all accomplished. Here, they hear him
talking about swords, and someone says "yeah,
we've got a couple here already." They just don't
understand what he's trying to explain, and you
can almost hear the Master's resigned sigh. "Sure,
that'll be fine.".... Long and short is that,this
"SWORD" word used by Jesus was never a violent
sword. It was an abstract sword.. Hebrew 4:12
says "for the word of God is quick and powerful
and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing
even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and
of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the
thoughts and intents of the heart. Here are many
verses from which it is clear that Jesus mission
and message was peace, and was to be spread
peacefully only. His commands are in no way
ambiguous: Matthew 26: 52 "Put your sword back
in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw
the sword will die by the sword.". Luke 9: 51 As
the time approached for him to be taken up to
heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. 52
And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a
Samaritan village to get things ready for him; 53
but the people there did not welcome him,
because he was heading for Jerusalem. 54 When
the disciples James and John saw this, they asked,
"Lord, do you want us to call fire down from
heaven to destroy them?". 55 But Jesus turned and
rebuked them, 56 and they went to another
village. [Shortly thereafter, he sends out a larger
group of disciples to preach the gospel, and gives
among others, these instructions.]. Luke 10: 1
After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others
and sent them two by two ahead of him to every
town and place where he was about to go. 2 He
told them, "The harvest is plentiful, but the
workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest,
therefore, to send out workers into his harvest
field. 3 Go! I am sending you out like lambs among
wolves.". 5 "When you enter a house, first say,
`Peace to this house.'. 6 If a man of peace is
there, your peace will rest on him; if not, it will
return to you.". 10 But when you enter a town and
are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11
`Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet
we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The
kingdom of God is near.'. EVEN WHEN THE REAL
SWORD CAME INTO THE PICTURE, Jesus
condemned it, he did not even allow it for self
defence( as ALMIGHTY GOD is our defence). When
on of the disciples used a sword, Jesus rebuked
him for doing so. A rebuke is recorded in three of
the four gospels: Matthew 26:52 ('"Put your sword
back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who
draw the sword will die by the sword.'), Luke
22:51 ('But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And
he touched the man's ear and healed him.'), and
John 18:11 ('Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your
sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father
has given me?"'). Mark does not record a rebuke,
but does note that while one disciple used a
sword, Jesus allowed himself to be arrested
peacefully (implying that he disagreed with the
use of force). If Jesus ever told them to have a
sword handy (for self-defense) as they went into
the world preaching the gospel, why then do Acts
and the epistles consistently show the disciples
accepting persecution peacefully? It is clear from
these passages (and there are more) that
Christians are not allowed to use force to spread
the message of the Gospel. We are to make clear
that it is very serious to reject the message of
God, but if we are not welcomed, then we should
move on to those who are willing to listen

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