nnofaith: Became an atheist cos i read somewhere how my "holy" prophet beheaded 700 Jews (of Banu Quraiza), i mean why would a God meant for everybody have favorite tribes, towns and people? why will god create some as believers and others as infidels? and he now tells the believers to kill the infidels. Religion doesn't make any sense.

bro,there are thousands of religions and all religions at their core is exclusive..and i believe that if all religions differ only,one of them can be true. The question is if u have considered other religions apart from islam and have sought to get answers to d questions u have on islam from their theologians

paulcr7: 'some truths cannot be substantiated or refuted'- can that statement be substantiated or refuted.if it can be substantiated(as agnostic except),then why cant God's existence be substantiated.Agnostic has no rational basis because no matter how much evidence u present,they can still choose to say it is nt substantiated.so,what test does agnostic apply to know when a claim can be said to be substantiated?

Young man,if the statement was "no truth can be substantiated or refuted", then your argument would have carried some force.

Weah96: I found out that the thing was in direct opposition to ordinary common sense. By the time I got to contemplate the story of how Mary was impregnated by nobody, for the umpteenth time, I had already passed the threshold for tolerance.

I will submit to you that after a hard day's work as a carpenter, no human man will come home and accept the fact that it wasn't the neighbor, but an invisible person who impregnated his wife. I even slapped myself for believing that story as a child, when I should have known better. I don't give a dam)n if he had a dream after or before. Joseph would have sent that girl back to her father's house.

If u believe that God can create d world with all its complexity,why cant he perform that miracle

finofaya:

Young man,if the statement was "no truth can be substantiated or refuted", then your argument would have carried some force.

u av nt answered the question

I stopped believing because belief in god does not change anything. It is simply redundant.

I got some of these from some where, I added some to it and it completely sums up why I do not believe in god(s) and religion. Here are the reasons. . .


*There is not one iota of unequivocal evidence that any God exists. . . .God remains just an idea, a perception and a claim that requires belief to sustain it.

*God cannot explain all that exists because God itself cannot be explained. This claim just gratuitously swaps one mystery for another.

*Religions do not fully explain any mechanism or process whereby God created everything. It is effectively an appeal to magic. For example how exactly did god create the planet, all you get are just wishy washy appeal to magic.

*Religious faith is generally indistinguishable from gullibility. Trust and faith as human concepts, are normally based on experience and reason. Religious faith is necessarily based on belief in unproved and unknowable things.

* Religious faith has never been tested objectively and shown to work.
*A god or anything that exists outside the realm of natural reality is necessarily unknowable, unintelligible and incoherent. It is therefore irrational to believe in something that is said to be supernatural and beyond the ability to be tested and be objectively shown to be real.

*Religious scripture:
* is completely man-made
*contains many translation, historical and scientific and interpretation errors
* is often self-contradictory
* often contradicts known facts
*promotes conversion by violence
* calls for punishment and death to unbelievers, why should people be punished for unbelief in stories that lack evidence?
*contains virtually no specific and unequivocal predictions
* is always subject to personal interpretation and opinion
* Was written by ancient men that didn't know much about the world and the universe in general
*contains only vague predictions beyond its own time
*contains many failed prophecies, predictions and unfulfilled promises of God
*Scripture contains too much that is vague, metaphorical and symbolic to be instructions from a divine being to humans. A perfect being would be expected to be able to communicate much better than that.

*In order to render most of scripture useful, it must necessarily be interpreted. This makes it easily twisted to support nefarious purposes.

*The problems with scriptures outweigh any good messages they may contain. If read at all, they should be considered opinion and philosophy and that's all that there is to it.

*Morals are based on human sympathy, empathy, what will lead to a stable and less chaotic society and not on divine guidance. it varies from culture to culture and is always evolving. Establishing moral codes based on theism is unnecessary, riddled with contradictions, and fraught with danger. Reason is what humans are supposed to use to guide them when making moral choices and decisions not ancient rules written by people whose civilization and way of life is outdated.

*Religion is divisive in that it pits groups of otherwise indistinguishable people against one another. There are already more than enough differences for humans to fight over. And religion is the most intransigent of such divisions because many people feel it is a divine duty to revile those who believe differently than they do even if they don't see the reason in it. God hates the disbelievers or the disbeliever are condemned is what is written in most scriptures.

*Religions are generally intractable when it comes to substantive compromise with other religions or belief systems.

*All suggested ways to perceive God rely on internal mechanisms that are subject to personal desires, suggestion, and mistakes. On the question of communicating with God, religion insidiously asks us all to deceive ourselves. If god or gods communicates to people as they claim then why are they always receiving and sending different messages that are mostly contradictory?

*People are animals. We are only special due to our more developed brain. (We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees)

*Every culture that has existed has had God myths and other superstitions. This is often used as an argument for the existence of God. Rather than indicating that there is a true God, this indicates that people are simply attracted to the idea and people easily form the idea.


*Goodness, truth, wisdom and all other purported attributes of God are human concepts. When applied to a presumed entity so completely different in kind as to be supernatural, they are meaningless. The idea of God is thus incoherent.

*Infinity is a concept humans cannot comprehend except in a limited mathematical sense. If God is infinite, this also renders him unintelligible.

*Belief in an afterlife is insidious, besides there is no evidence to show the human consciousness survives bodily death.

*Organized religion wastes untold amounts of money and resources that could be used to care for people, promote real knowledge, and advance the human race.

*Theism puts God above people thereby making people subservient, unimportant and expendable.

*Religion relies on guilt, fear, uses threat and outlandish promises to gain obedience.

*Religion is like racism because it segregates people.
*Theism generally precludes any possibility of testing God or questioning his existence substantively and objectively. It is something like the wizard of Oz saying, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

*The methods used in proselytizing for religion bear an unmistakable resemblance to the methods of confidence men. But the scriptures consider this the great commission of mankind.

*There are many good rational and logical arguments against theism but not one argument in favor of it that doesn't rely on a fallacy, assumption or special pleading.

*There are so many Gods put forth by thousands of religions that no one could ever be certain of picking the correct one, assuming that one exists.

*Prayer is totally subjective and cannot be shown to have any more efficacy than pure chance.
*There is no discernible difference between believing in God and having an imaginary friend.

*People generally rely on facts and evidence in every human endeavor except religion.

*Unequivocal miracles do not occur. example gods do not heal amputees or babies born with down syndrome.

*God supposedly speaks directly to the human spirit. This must be, at least partly, the same concept as mind. People who receive messages in their minds are invariably delusional.

*There is no positive correlation between belief in God and being a moral person.

*Belief in religion has spawned uncounted cults that draw people in by appealing to the concept of faith without proof and the promise of prophets to come. Some examples are: Jim Jones and the People's Temple, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Marshal Applewhite and Heaven's Gate. These groups had religious followers who were convinced to brutalize, mutilate and kill themselves and their children on the basis of this kind of blind faith.

*Religion has an extremely violent history that includes such things as crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, genocide, terrorism and holy war. Untold millions have died in the name of religious icons and for religious beliefs.

*Religions have a long history of misogyny.

*Religious dogma is practically immune to the incorporation of new facts. The best it can do is strained reinterpretation.

* Children have to be indoctrinated with religion at a very early age.

*The argument that God cannot be proven not to exist is irrelevant when one considers that to do so requires that the concept of a supernatural God be intelligible and coherent, which it is not.

*There is a well known argument commonly called "The Problem of Evil". It basically says that if an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God exists, unnecessary or gratuitous evil would not exist in the world. Thus if God sees this type of evil and does nothing he is either not omnibenevolent because he doesn't care or not omnipotent because he is unable to stop it. There are many counter-arguments that have been used. However the only one that really could defeat the Problem of Evil is if one says that we cannot apply human standards to decide what is or is not gratuitous evil. This may well be true, but that argument renders God unintelligible and meaningless to humans. Either way, the concept of God seems to be highly doubtful.

*Theists claim that God has given humans free will. However, this free will is anything but free. The choices are forced on pain of death and eternal suffering. It is equivalent to having a slave and saying something like: "I grant you your freedom to leave at any time. But if you do, I will torture you mercilessly and kill you as slowly as possible."

paulcr7: 'some truths cannot be substantiated or refuted'- can that statement be substantiated or refuted.if it can be substantiated(as agnostic except),then why cant God's existence be substantiated.

God is one of those unknowable claims and that's why it cannot be substantiated. But I hope you realize that this statement is referring to a general God concept, not Yahweh and Allah who can both be dismissed and refuted by children. It's more difficult to disprove a general concept of God because it could imply almost anything. God could be energy, matter, consciousness, the universe itself, or anything.

paulcr7: bro,there are thousands of religions and all religions at their core is exclusive..and i believe that if all religions differ only,one of them can be true. The question is if u have considered other religions apart from islam and have sought to get answers to d questions u have on islam from their theologians

All religions are man made, there is no such thing as a true religion. If there was a god and he wanted to be worshipped via a religion,that religion would have started from day one and all races and tribes would key in to that religion from day one.

mazaje: A similar thread was made here some years ago by someone, the mods took it to the front page and it turned into the theist vs atheism argument and lost the main reason why it was put up here. I will like to ask the same questions to the atheist here in the house. I want the atheist and agnostics to state their reasons for not believing in god/religion. I will state mine later but I will like to hear from others. . .I don't want conversion stories, just state why you do not believe in god and religion to be true as portrayed by the theist. . .

NB: Mods pls do not take this to the front page.

I experienced the Christians vs Moslems February 2000 riot in Kaduna state and I couldn't come to terms with the atrocities that were committed by both sides and the attitude both sides possessed after the riot(No side wanted to claim responsibility for their actions they instead, preferred pointing fingers)I also began wondering why and how a people who their God told not to kill other human beings,slaughtered other human beings like they were chickens/rams.I also wondered why if there was really a God,why didn't 'he' stop the atrocities from occurring?Why did bad things happen and why didn't this 'almighty' and 'all powerful' God do anything to stop them?WW 1 and 2?Atomic bomb drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?The Khmer rouge?The Rwanda genocide?Questions...questions...back then,the internet wasn't as readily available as it is today so I had to do everything the hard way...believe me,it wasn't an easy journey but I slowly and painfully came to realize there was no 'God' anywhere only we humans.It will be twelve years this November I became a full-fledged atheist.The journey continues...

nnofaith: Became an atheist cos i read somewhere how my "holy" prophet beheaded 700 Jews (of Banu Quraiza), i mean why would a God meant for everybody have favorite tribes, towns and people? why will god create some as believers and others as infidels? and he now tells the believers to kill the infidels. Religion doesn't make any sense.

Hatred is the bedrock of every religion. The Catholics belief the pentecostals are on the broadway to hell because they do not recognize the leadership of the Pope who sits upon 'Peter's throne'; the pentecostals are so many there is no cental doctrine and they hate each other...those females who wear trousers,use make up, infact beautiful looking are hell-bound etc.
Islam has at its heart the commandment from prophet that all infidels must be forced to live under a medieval caliphate or else be killed preferably by beheading! None tithers and sinners will burn forever and ever in hell....

The heart of the primitive man was filled with hatred for dissenters ; from this same heart, man created god after mans' heart & perverted wishes. Religion was only a means to make men controllable by instilling fear into them.

Weah96:

God is one of those unknowable claims and that's why it cannot be substantiated. But I hope you realize that this statement is referring to a general God concept, not Yahweh and Allah who can both be dismissed and refuted by children. It's more difficult to disprove a general concept of God because it could imply almost anything. God could be energy, matter, consciousness, the universe itself, or anything.

u av nt answered my question,what level of evidence is sufficient and iow do we know that ur standard for sufficient evidence is itself sufficient

nnofaith: All religions are man made, there is no such thing as a true religion. If there was a god and he wanted to be worshipped via a religion,that religion would have started from day one and all races and tribes would key in to that religion from day one.

The word should be 'should' nt 'would'.God can have a religion and indeed has,where all races and tribes could choose to key in but they cant be forced to key in.Religious deviations are mostly based on personal issues,people want a god that will serve them and submit to their wishes and they created them.

paulcr7: The word should be 'should' nt 'would'.God can have a religion and indeed has,where all races and tribes could choose to key in but they cant be forced to key in.Religious deviations are mostly based on personal issues,people want a god that will serve them and submit to their wishes and they created them.

So which religion is the "true" religion?

traware: I experienced the Christians vs Moslems February 2000 riot in Kaduna state and I couldn't come to terms with the atrocities that were committed by both sides and the attitude both sides possessed after the riot(No side wanted to claim responsibility for their actions they instead, preferred pointing fingers)I also began wondering why and how a people who their God told not to kill other human beings,slaughtered other human beings like they were chickens/rams.I also wondered why if there was really a God,why didn't 'he' stop the atrocities from occurring?Why did bad things happen and why didn't this 'almighty' and 'all powerful' God do anything to stop them?WW 1 and 2?Atomic bomb drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?The Khmer rouge?The Rwanda genocide?Questions...questions...back then,the internet wasn't as readily available as it is today so I had to do everything the hard way...believe me,it wasn't an easy journey but I slowly and painfully came to realize there was no 'God' anywhere only we humans.It will be twelve years this November I became a full-fledged atheist.The journey continues...

What u av said does nt nullify God's existence if u put it in a syllogism.1.there is evil.2.evil is d privation of good.there is good.there is a moral standard that differentiate good or bad.3.these moral standards are universal.4.d moral standards suggest a moral lawgiver.God is d moral lawgiver...if u want God to stop evil by 'force',he would have to take away freewill(d capacity to choose to do evij) and he would have to be consistent with that choice.But God has a better way of dealing with evil

Oduduwaboy:

Hatred is the bedrock of every religion. The Catholics belief the pentecostals are on the broadway to hell because they do not recognize the leadership of the Pope who sits upon 'Peter's throne'; the pentecostals are so many there is no cental doctrine and they hate each other...those females who wear trousers,use make up, infact beautiful looking are hell-bound etc.
Islam has at its heart the commandment from prophet that all infidels must be forced to live under a medieval caliphate or else be killed preferably by beheading! None tithers and sinners will burn forever and ever in hell....

The heart of the primitive man was filled with hatred for dissenters ; from this same heart, man created god after mans' heart & perverted wishes. Religion was only a means to make men controllable by instilling fear into them.

If u want to know what Christianity should be,study d bible urself with an open heart.Christianity has become an emotional traunt and people have started modifying 'GOD' to fit their life and ideas.If u search 4 Christ truthfully,u will find him in his word.dont approach d bible with 'emotion',go with a sincere heart..God is nt a witholder,whatever he does nt wants u to do,it is for ur gud.d fact that u dont want ur child to play with d fire does nt mean hatred.

nnofaith: So which religion is the "true" religion?

I believe that there are 3 test of truth u can apply-logical consistency-are d claims of that religion consisten with laws of logic and rationality.2.empirical adequacy-are d claims of the religion verifiable.3.existential relevance..how does d religion deal with the human condition,our sins,sinfulness.You can apply these to how each religion answers the questions of orign,meaning,morality and destiny.If u think truth is worth it,u must be ready to search for it.i suggest u go to this blog www.fadelessvision..com and consider the last 4 articles and Jesus among other gods-Ravi Zacharias(available online)

Mr majaze, can u pls state ur claims one by one for scrutiny

paulcr7: u av nt answered my question,what level of evidence is sufficient and iow do we know that ur standard for sufficient evidence is itself sufficient

With Yahweh and Jesus, the bible can be used as a means to dismiss them easily. In the book of genesis, for example, Yahweh creates light BEFORE he even bothers to create suns/stars. Even plants are created before our own star. On earth, plants require light from our star to carry on photosynthesis. What is Yahweh's excuse for telling lies, when he claims in other parts of the same bible that he doesn't? NONE. The only logical answer is that an ordinary man created the fiction, and that those two idiots are imaginary.

paulcr7: I believe that there are 3 test of truth u can apply-logical consistency-are d claims of that religion consisten with laws of logic and rationality.2.empirical adequacy-are d claims of the religion verifiable.3.existential relevance..how does d religion deal with the human condition,our sins,sinfulness.You can apply these to how each religion answers the questions of orign,meaning,morality and destiny.If u think truth is worth it,u must be ready to search for it.i suggest u go to this blog www.fadelessvision..com and consider the last 4 articles and Jesus among other gods-Ravi Zacharias(available online)

She asked you which God is the correct one to follow, and you decided to post an epistle. Just say Jesus and his tag team partner Yahweh.

paulcr7: I believe that there are 3 test of truth u can apply-logical consistency-are d claims of that religion consisten with laws of logic and rationality.2.empirical adequacy-are d claims of the religion verifiable.3.existential relevance..how does d religion deal with the human condition,our sins,sinfulness.You can apply these to how each religion answers the questions of orign,meaning,morality and destiny.If u think truth is worth it,u must be ready to search for it.i suggest u go to this blog www.fadelessvision..com and consider the last 4 articles and Jesus among other gods-Ravi Zacharias(available online)

Lol! You are trying to sell Jesus to a hard core atheist, what are you, a five year old?
please tell me you are playing! I thought you were going to introduce me to some exotic religion and here you are talking to me about Jesus. What do you think you can tell me about Jesus that I don't already know.

paulcr7: If u want to know what Christianity should be,study d bible urself with an open heart.Christianity has become an emotional traunt and people have started modifying 'GOD' to fit their life and ideas.If u search 4 Christ truthfully,u will find him in his word.dont approach d bible with 'emotion',go with a sincere heart..God is nt a witholder,whatever he does nt wants u to do,it is for ur gud.d fact that u dont want ur child to play with d fire does nt mean hatred.

Christ is a useless myth. He exists on paper, and in your mouth only.

Not really an atheist cus I'm not certified yet but God skipped pass the church to get to me cus catholic,penticostal,anglican,baptist,apostolic etc sounds like game to me....religion did nothing but brought division making the muslims hate the christians,christians hate the jews bla bla bla,God forbid you go to hell but if you in a place like Nigeria,then you know hell well.

mazaje: I got some of these from some where, I added some to it and it completely sums up why I do not believe in god(s) and religion. Here are the reasons. . .


*There is not one iota of unequivocal evidence that any God exists. . . .God remains just an idea, a perception and a claim that requires belief to sustain it.

*God cannot explain all that exists because God itself cannot be explained. This claim just gratuitously swaps one mystery for another.

*Religions do not fully explain any mechanism or process whereby God created everything. It is effectively an appeal to magic. For example how exactly did god create the planet, all you get are just wishy washy appeal to magic.

*Religious faith is generally indistinguishable from gullibility. Trust and faith as human concepts, are normally based on experience and reason. Religious faith is necessarily based on belief in unproved and unknowable things.

* Religious faith has never been tested objectively and shown to work.
*A god or anything that exists outside the realm of natural reality is necessarily unknowable, unintelligible and incoherent. It is therefore irrational to believe in something that is said to be supernatural and beyond the ability to be tested and be objectively shown to be real.

*Religious scripture:
* is completely man-made
*contains many translation, historical and scientific and interpretation errors
* is often self-contradictory
* often contradicts known facts
*promotes conversion by violence
* calls for punishment and death to unbelievers, why should people be punished for unbelief in stories that lack evidence?
*contains virtually no specific and unequivocal predictions
* is always subject to personal interpretation and opinion
* Was written by ancient men that didn't know much about the world and the universe in general
*contains only vague predictions beyond its own time
*contains many failed prophecies, predictions and unfulfilled promises of God
*Scripture contains too much that is vague, metaphorical and symbolic to be instructions from a divine being to humans. A perfect being would be expected to be able to communicate much better than that.

*In order to render most of scripture useful, it must necessarily be interpreted. This makes it easily twisted to support nefarious purposes.

*The problems with scriptures outweigh any good messages they may contain. If read at all, they should be considered opinion and philosophy and that's all that there is to it.

*Morals are based on human sympathy, empathy, what will lead to a stable and less chaotic society and not on divine guidance. it varies from culture to culture and is always evolving. Establishing moral codes based on theism is unnecessary, riddled with contradictions, and fraught with danger. Reason is what humans are supposed to use to guide them when making moral choices and decisions not ancient rules written by people whose civilization and way of life is outdated.

*Religion is divisive in that it pits groups of otherwise indistinguishable people against one another. There are already more than enough differences for humans to fight over. And religion is the most intransigent of such divisions because many people feel it is a divine duty to revile those who believe differently than they do even if they don't see the reason in it. God hates the disbelievers or the disbeliever are condemned is what is written in most scriptures.

*Religions are generally intractable when it comes to substantive compromise with other religions or belief systems.

*All suggested ways to perceive God rely on internal mechanisms that are subject to personal desires, suggestion, and mistakes. On the question of communicating with God, religion insidiously asks us all to deceive ourselves. If god or gods communicates to people as they claim then why are they always receiving and sending different messages that are mostly contradictory?

*People are animals. We are only special due to our more developed brain. (We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees)

*Every culture that has existed has had God myths and other superstitions. This is often used as an argument for the existence of God. Rather than indicating that there is a true God, this indicates that people are simply attracted to the idea and people easily form the idea.


*Goodness, truth, wisdom and all other purported attributes of God are human concepts. When applied to a presumed entity so completely different in kind as to be supernatural, they are meaningless. The idea of God is thus incoherent.

*Infinity is a concept humans cannot comprehend except in a limited mathematical sense. If God is infinite, this also renders him unintelligible.

*Belief in an afterlife is insidious, besides there is no evidence to show the human consciousness survives bodily death.

*Organized religion wastes untold amounts of money and resources that could be used to care for people, promote real knowledge, and advance the human race.

*Theism puts God above people thereby making people subservient, unimportant and expendable.

*Religion relies on guilt, fear, uses threat and outlandish promises to gain obedience.

*Religion is like racism because it segregates people.
*Theism generally precludes any possibility of testing God or questioning his existence substantively and objectively. It is something like the wizard of Oz saying, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

*The methods used in proselytizing for religion bear an unmistakable resemblance to the methods of confidence men. But the scriptures consider this the great commission of mankind.

*There are many good rational and logical arguments against theism but not one argument in favor of it that doesn't rely on a fallacy, assumption or special pleading.

*There are so many Gods put forth by thousands of religions that no one could ever be certain of picking the correct one, assuming that one exists.

*Prayer is totally subjective and cannot be shown to have any more efficacy than pure chance.
*There is no discernible difference between believing in God and having an imaginary friend.

*People generally rely on facts and evidence in every human endeavor except religion.

*Unequivocal miracles do not occur. example gods do not heal amputees or babies born with down syndrome.

*God supposedly speaks directly to the human spirit. This must be, at least partly, the same concept as mind. People who receive messages in their minds are invariably delusional.

*There is no positive correlation between belief in God and being a moral person.

*Belief in religion has spawned uncounted cults that draw people in by appealing to the concept of faith without proof and the promise of prophets to come. Some examples are: Jim Jones and the People's Temple, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Marshal Applewhite and Heaven's Gate. These groups had religious followers who were convinced to brutalize, mutilate and kill themselves and their children on the basis of this kind of blind faith.

*Religion has an extremely violent history that includes such things as crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, genocide, terrorism and holy war. Untold millions have died in the name of religious icons and for religious beliefs.

*Religions have a long history of misogyny.

*Religious dogma is practically immune to the incorporation of new facts. The best it can do is strained reinterpretation.

* Children have to be indoctrinated with religion at a very early age.

*The argument that God cannot be proven not to exist is irrelevant when one considers that to do so requires that the concept of a supernatural God be intelligible and coherent, which it is not.

*There is a well known argument commonly called "The Problem of Evil". It basically says that if an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God exists, unnecessary or gratuitous evil would not exist in the world. Thus if God sees this type of evil and does nothing he is either not omnibenevolent because he doesn't care or not omnipotent because he is unable to stop it. There are many counter-arguments that have been used. However the only one that really could defeat the Problem of Evil is if one says that we cannot apply human standards to decide what is or is not gratuitous evil. This may well be true, but that argument renders God unintelligible and meaningless to humans. Either way, the concept of God seems to be highly doubtful.

*Theists claim that God has given humans free will. However, this free will is anything but free. The choices are forced on pain of death and eternal suffering. It is equivalent to having a slave and saying something like: "I grant you your freedom to leave at any time. But if you do, I will torture you mercilessly and kill you as slowly as possible."

Baba I greet you,either you a philosopher or you have spend more time studying than I have because you not only demystify well but you also gave us the reason to ask 'why' and that's what philosophers do,your brain is top notch!!!!

paulcr7: If u want to know what Christianity should be,study d bible urself with an open heart.Christianity has become an emotional traunt and people have started modifying 'GOD' to fit their life and ideas.If u search 4 Christ truthfully,u will find him in his word.dont approach d bible with 'emotion',go with a sincere heart..God is nt a witholder,whatever he does nt wants u to do,it is for ur gud.d fact that u dont want ur child to play with d fire does nt mean hatred.

@Evangelist paulcr7 how are you? I can see you are really striving to convert the atheists on this thread...hmmm! well i wish you luck sha!
You must know that for you to have any success at your mission, you need to be more logical in your submissions. As of now, most of your responses are not products of logical reasoning nor are they epitomes of a well educated mind!
I will implore you to read a bit more books outside of that book of fables you guys love to carry around called the bible; look for or browse excerpts of " the age of reason by Thomas Paine ". It may do you a lot of good.

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Oduduwaboy: I used to describe myself as a born-again christian up till 3 years ago. Then , i started having doubts as a result of all sort of frauds going on in church; namely , tithe fraud, miracle & breakthrough fraud, sexual immorality, schemes designed to separate members from their money etc. Also, i found praying & fasting to be nothing more than psychological exercises. In short , i got tired of defending God against common sense. I realised i got better results when i applied rational methods to issues.

I had always read a bit widely outside of the bible and i had always had questions; there are just too many inconsistencies in that book. It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to accept it as the unquestionable word of a PERFECT god, which provisions are meant to traverse all generations. Then i spent some time to study about Emperor Constantine and the role he played at the council of Nicea and i came to the conclusion that the bible is not the word of God but that of early Jews & Romans with early greek influences....

I have to cut this 'testimony' o.
Then some personal issues on which i prayed & fasted....with faith...with camp going...each exercise left me empty & with more questions.
Also, the daily tragedies that occur coupled with the evils of fundamental islamism left me with the conclusion that no self-respecting god can allow so much hatred to be exercised in his name. If a god must exist, he must be omnipotent & omniscient but human history has shown this not to be so.
If God created the ability in us to reason, then reason must of necessity lead us back to him. However, reason(science) has consistently shown how unlikely the existence of god is. So, i moved into this season of Agnosticism . I could call myself an atheist but for the mathematical impossibility of PROVING that a god does not exist!

friend the burden of prove that a "God" exist doesn't lie on you rather it lies on those that says there is a "God" character . Ur own burden is to prove that there is none( which u brilliantly did in ur post)

mazaje:

[s]So your reason for believing in god is because you are afraid?. . .Pls if you have nothing sensible to say just shut up. . .Your opinion is not needed here if foolishness is all you can display[/s]. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H926sSP-748

TheBigUrban2: I became an atheist when I found out the support of racism and slavery in the holy books of the Abrahamic religions (christianity, islam, judaism).

In fact, all gods are racist- they are only concerned with the tribe that worship them. Yaweh for Jews, Olodumare for Yorubas, Zeus for Greeks and Allah for Arabs.


This made me reason that those gods were actually created by the racist, barbaric men.....because any god who had basic knowledge of science and how the world works would know that racism is senseless

nice post but could u pls stop using the phrase "holy books" for all those man made crapy books..... D word " holy" bible, "holy" quaran and shits always nauseate me

Zikdik:
First of all, you own a private jet. Really?
Secondly, anyone sensible enough to be an atheist would know that, neglecting external factors, neither you nor the pilot is willing to die or go to jail. Hence, neither of you would be willing to exert fatal damage to either one or all of the occupants of the jet. No reason to worry.
Finally, the "Oh God" exclamation is more of an impetuous action than an assertion of belief. It might as well be "Jupiter's Co.ck", "bloody fu.c.k", "holy sh.it", e.t.c. Not an assertion of belief.

u are smart I was about replying that dogma infested individual but then u replied him/her brilliantly.... I rest my case

paulcr7: Agnosticism means 'truth cannot be known',but how does agnostics know that truth(dat statement) and if that statement is nt true,it is false.also someone said 'all knowledge must be scientific' but is that statement itself scientific,if nt d statement itself is useless.Someone else claim that all religions are racists and supporters of slavery.But d message of Christ is 'there is neither jews nor greek,there is neither bond nor free,there is neither male nor female:for ye are all one in Christ Jesus '(Gal 3:28).There are more than enough scientific,logical,rational reasons to believe in God.The earliest scientists were theists.Go and consider d second law of thermodynamics for example,they all speak of a beginning by a creator.Another person talked about errors in d bible.You must understand that the manuscripts were copied by men who could make errors like writing 8 instead of 18, but d numerous manuscripts and d discovery of the dead sea scrolls has helped to solve almost all of the supposed errors.the message of the bible is consistent and coherent,God did nt made mistakes neither did the writers,every mistake is from copyists and translators.If u are sincere,i will suggest u read these e books that u can get online WHEN CRITICS ASK BY NORMAN GIELSER,RECEIVING THE WORD-SAMUEL PIPIM.For all others that complain abt d church,judge a religion nt by its abuse.The center of Christianity is Christ.There are too many perversions in today's christianity,take the bible and read it for yourself and u will find Christ who nt only explain ur origin but places a value on u because u are created in God's image,he gives u a purpose to live for,he tells u dat u are the light of d world,on morality,he tells u to love God and recognise the sanctity of the lives of ur neighours,he gives u a destiny beyond d grave,'because i live u will live also',..

have u had to read any Buddhist script ??! It's more philosophical than this ur Jesus repugnant shit..,, ask ur dogmatic brain y Christianity has so killed more humans in history far the sake of their religion more than Hinduism , bhudism, yorubaism and amadiora!!!

Empiree:

You sound confused. Sounds like you suffering from hyponatremia. Just listen to yourself

he didn't sound confuse . He made pure sense !!!