Abegi.wetin be the meaning and summary of all the above story? Akudaya koo' akudaya nii.

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Empiree what does the Rasul(saw) said about this?

This is from Ibn Tamiyyah essay on the jinn ( (born in Harran, January 22, 1263 – died in Damascus, September 20, 1328).

Recent references are added by Dr Bilal Philips

CHAPTER THREE: DEMONIC VISIONS Part 1

Those involved in incantations and oaths often swear by some devils to help them against others. Sometimes the evil JINN fulfil their request but frequently they do not, especially when the JINN against whom help is sought is honored among them. Neither the one chanting incantations nor his incantations have any power to force the devils to help them. The reciter of incantations earnestly entreats a being whom he considered great - which may or may not be the case - to harm others who may conceivably be greater. In the case where someone entreats the JINN to harm someone whom the JINN hold in high esteem, they will ignore him. In fact, it may prevent them from even responding at all. Their situations is quite similar to that of humans except that human beings are generally more intelligent,truthful, just and trustworthy while the JINN tend to be ignorant, untruthful, oppressive and treacherous.

The point is that though the oaths and incantations of devil-worshippers may contain statements of idolatry and disbelief, they are frequently ineffective against the JINN. When requested to kill or apprehend another JINN who has possessed a human, the JINN will often mock those who make the request by falsely giving them the impression that they killed or detained the offending JINN. This is especially so in cases where humans believe in the illusions created by the JINN. The JINN usually communicate by either visions or voices

["The gleaning of hidden information by way of visions and voices has been well documented among clairvoyants and mediums. 'A medium' may be defined as a person through whose agency or through whose orgainsm there are received communications ostensibly from deceased human beings or other discarnate or remote entities. In what is called 'clairvoyant mediumship' -now popularly known as channelling- the meduim 'sees' or 'hears' the deceased friends and relatives of persons present and relays messages from them.

Generally speaking, the experiences concerned seem not to have the distinctness of ordinary perception but are rather a seeing or hearing 'in the mind's eye' or ear. Sometimes, however, the figures seen or voices heard may attain as hallucinatory vividness; the medium's experience then resembles that of one who witnesses an apparition." (Benjamin B. Wolman. ed., Handbook of Parapsychology, New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1977, pp, 579-580)] with those seeking information among the idol-worshippers, Christians, Jews, and heretical Muslims driven astray by the devils. JINNS may take the form of a live picture portraying whatever the sorcerers and fortunetellers wish to know about. When these deviants see the image of what they sought, they then inform other humans about it. Some of them may know that the image is actually an illusion, while others may be deluded into believing that they are actually wintessing the real scene. JINNS may also make humans hear the voice of those whom they call upon who are far away. Such cases are frequent among idolaters, Christians, Jews and ignorant Muslims who seek refuge in those whom they consider holy. When some devotees call on their spiritual masters for help saying, "Oh my Lord so and so!" the JINN will address them in the voice of their masters. When the masters answer their request, the JINN, in turn, answer the devotees in the masters' voice. This has happened to many people some of whom are known to me. The devils will often respond while talking the form of the one besought, whether dead or alive, even if he is unaware of those who call on him. Those committing Shirk in this fashion believe that the person beseeched has actually replied when in fact it is the JINN replying. This frequently happens to Christians who call on those whom they edify, whether dead or alive, like George or other holy figures [ROME, Feb 24 1989 (AFP) - A retired Italian roadman Renato Baron claims that he has been seeing and talking to the Virgin Mary for nearly three years now. Visions by Baron and about THIRTY others have attracted tens of thousands of people from Italy, France, Belgium, and West Germany to a hill near Venice, causing huge traffic jams.

Ambridge, Pennsylvania - A small Roman Catholic Church in a western Pennsylvania mill town is preparing for a deluge of pilgrims after a reported Good Friday miracle in which the eyes of a statue of Christ suddenly closed. The Rev. Vincent Cvitkovic, a Franciscan friar, and many of his parishoners reported that the eyes of a life-size statue which depicts the crucified Christ, which have been open for 60 years, closed during a prayer meeting. (The Times, Monday, April 10th 1989, no. 63, 364, p.

CHAPTER THREE: DEMONIC VISIONS Part 2

In 1981 a group of five children were playing on a hill just outside of a village in the Yugoslavian Republic of Bosnia - Herzegovina called Medugorje when a vision of a beautiful woman claiming to be the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared before them. Since 1981 some seven to eight million pilgrims from different countries, cultures and Christian traditions have climbed up the holy hill of Medugorje.

At 7:30 every evening pilgrims and tourists anxiously crowd around the dark rectory of a nearby church staring at the stream of light which will signify that once more the children, who still gather there daily, are having their private audience with the Blessed Mother. (IRF, Newsletter of the International Religious Foundation, Inc., Vol II, No. 6, Nov-Dec 1987, pp 1-2).

Divine grace (salvation) is felt to be especially potent in places visited by Jesus Christ or Saints or by Mary; where they have appeared in visions. Major pilgrimage centers include Lourdes where visions of the Virgin Mary were first seen in 1858 and where healing has been occuring since that time. (John R.Hinnells, ed., Dictionary of Religions, Middlesex, England: Penguin Books Ltd., 1984, p. 284)]. It also occurs to heretical Muslims who call on the dead or those not present, and the devils take the form of the one called upon even without him realizing it. I know of many cases where this has occurred and the people called upon have told me that they did not know that they were called upon, though those beseeching them for help saw their images and were convinced that it was the actual person. More than one person has mentioned that they called on me in times of distress, each telling a different story about how I have responded. When I told them that I never answered any of them nor did I know that they were calling on me, some said that it must have been an angel. I told them that angels do not benefit those committing SHIRK and that it was actually a devil trying to further misguide them.

Sometimes the Jinn will take the form of those admired and stand at 'Arafat, and those who believe well of him will think that he actually stood in 'Arafat. Many others have also been actually carried by the devils to 'Arafat and other sacred places. In such cases they pass the Meeqaat (boundaries that may not be crossed while on Hajj, around Makkah) without formally entering the state of Ihraam, or performing many of the obligatory rites of Hajj like making the Talbeeyah (chant of response to God's call) or circulating the Ka'bah, and walking between the mounts of Safaa and Marwah. Among them are some who do not even pass through Makkah, others who stand at 'Arafat without performing the pre-requisite rite of casting stones at the Jamaraat etc. It is by these and other similar feats that Satan leads seemingly pious people in misguidance. Sincere devotees among heretics are in this way enticed to do acts wich are prohibited (Haraam) or despised (Makrooh) in the religion. Satan is able to make such misdeeds appealing to them by convincing them that they are among the Karaamaat (supernatural or quasi-miraculous feats) of the righteous. However they are, without a doubt, Satanic deceptions because Allaah cannot be worshipped by any religious injunction which is neither compulsory (Waajib) nor recommended (Mustahabb). Whoever performs an act of worship which is neither Waajib nor Mustahabb believing that it is so, has been deceived by Satan. Even if it is decreed that such a person will be forgiven due to his good intention and striving, the act itself is still unacceptable to Allaah [An example may be seen in the mistaken belief held by some that a man's head must be covered while he is in formal prayer - Salaah -as is the case among Jews or that a woman's hair to be covered while reading the Qur'aan. However, the Prophet saws did not order that it be done nor recommended it but merely followed the customs of his people during that time.]. Such acts are not among the things with which Allaah honors His pious servants who are close to Him, as there is no honor in performing prohibited (Haraam) or despised (Makrooh) acts [Such is the case of the celebration of the Prophet's saws birthday - 'Eed Meelaad an-Nabee - which probably began among ignorant Muslims trying to outdo or at least compete with the Christians's celebrations of Christmas. Meelaad celebrations are a form of innovation - Bid'ah - in religion which has been forbidden by the Prophet saws who said: "Whoever innnovates in this affair ouf ours -i.e. Islaam - something which does not belong to it will be rejected. - Reported by 'Aa'eshah and collected by Al-Bukaaree and Muslim]. Divine honor lies in protecting one whom Allaah loves from such acts and preventing him from doing them. For, committing misdeeds debases one who does them and does not in any way favor him, even if he is not punished for doing them. Doing despised or Haraam acts MUST decrease the spiritual level of both the one who does them as well as his followers who praise such acts and glorify him. For, heaping praise on prohibited and despised acts, and honoring the one who does them is definitely a form of deviation from the path of Allaah. The more and more a man innovates in the religion as a result of independent judgement (Ijtihaad), the further he becomes from Allaah, because innovation (Bid'ah) removes him from Allaah's path; the divine path of "those who Allah has blessed from among the prophets, the sincerely truthful, martyrs and righteous" [An-Nisaa 4:69] unto the path of "those with whom Allaah is angry and those who have gone astray" [Al-Faatihah 1:7]. Ibn Taymeeyah mentioned the following [This begins a segment from vol.35 of Ibn Taymeeyah's compendium, Majmoo' alFataawaa.] historical incident concerning al-Hallaaj [Al-Husain ibn Mansoor al-Hallaj (858-922 CE) studied under the eminent Sufi teachers of his time (Tustaree, 'Amr Makee and Junaid) then broke with them and went out into this world to preach asceticism and mysticism in Khurasan, Ahwaz, Fars, India and Turkistan. On his return to Baghdad from Makkah in 908, many were attracted by his teachings, and disciples rapidly gathered around him. He taught that the five pillars of Islaam may be replaced by other works. He also taught about the existence of an uncreated Divine spirit (Rooh Naatiqah) which becomes united with the created spirit of the ascetic through desire of and submission to suffering.

CHAPTER THREE: DEMONIC VISIONS Part 3

In his teachings the Saint (Walee) became the living and personal witness of God (H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers, Encyclopedia of Islam, Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1st ed., 1953, pp 127-80). Consequently he stated in his book: "If you do not recognize God, at least recognise His sign, I am the creative truth -Ana al-Haqq-, because through the truth, I am eternal truth. My friends and teachers are Iblees (Satan) and Pharaoh. Iblees was threatened with Hellfire, yet, he did not recant. Pharaoh was drowned in the sea, yet he did not recant, for he would not acknowledge anything between him and God (i.e. Hallaaj felt that Iblees' refusal to prostrate to Aadam and Pharaoh's statement "I am your Lord, most High" were correct!). And, I, though, I am killed and crucified and though my hands and feet are cut off; I do not recant." - Kitaab al-Tawaaseen, Massignon Press, Paris, 1913, vi, 32. The leading scholars from all orthodox schools of Islamic law as well as the leading Shi'ite scholars and some of his former Sufi teachers declared him a heretic and he was subsequently executed due to his refusal to retract his claim to be the personification of God on earth.] and a group of his followers, "Some of them requested some sweets from al-Hallaaj, so he got up and went to a spot a short distance away, then returned with a plateful of sweets. It was later discovered that it had been stolen from a candy shop in Yemen and carried by a devil to that area."

Ibn Taymeeyah went on to say, "Incidents similar to this have happened to others who, like alHallaaj, also achieved the pinnacle of satanic states, and we know of quite a few such people in our time as well as other times. For instance, there is a person presently residing in Damascus whom the devil used to carry from the Saaliheeyah mountain to villages around Damascus. He would appear out of the air and enter the windows of houses in which people were gathered to witness his 'miraculous entrance.'" Ibn Taymeeyah also quoted another mystic master who admitted that he used to fornicate with women and sodomise young boys. The former mystic master said, "A black dog ["Abu Dharr reported: The Messanger of Allaah said: 'When any one of you stands for prayer it should be towards something that shields him equivalent (in height) to the back of a saddle, otherwise his prayer will be broken by passing of a donkey, a woman or a black dog.' I asked 'O Abu Dharr, what is the difference between a black dog, a red dog and tan-colored dog?' He replied, 'O son of my brother, I also asked Allaah's Messanger as you are asking me, and he said: 'The black dog is a devil.'" (Saheeh Muslim and all other in the six Saheeh books with the exception of Saheeh al-Bukhaaree)] with two white spots between his eyes would come to me and say, 'Verily such and such a person has made an oath by you and he will come to you tomorrow to inform you about it. I have already fulfilled his need for your sake.' [When questioned during his trial, the infamous New York City mass murderer of the seventies, "Son of Sam", claimed that a dog used to come in backyard of his house and tell him to kill his victims. It was assumed by the court and his psychiatrists that he was mentally deranged and the dog a figment of his imagination.] The person would then come to him the next day and the Sufi master would reveal the details of his oath to him and how it was fulfilled. The Sufi master went on to say, 'I used to walk about the city and a black pole with a light on top of it would lead the way.' " Ibn Taymeeyah said, "When the Sufi master repented and began to pray, fast, and avoid the forbidden, the black dog went away." He also narrated the following about another mystic master who had the aid of devils whom he would despatch to possess people: "When the family of the possessed would come to him seeking a cure, he would send a message to his demon companion and they would leave the possessed persons, as a result, the Shaykh would be given many dirhams for his services. Sometimes the Jinn would bring him dirhams and food which they stole from people, so much so that the Shaykh would request dates from his devils and they would take them from beehives in which some poeple had hidden their dates. When the beehive owners would look for their dates they would find them gone."

CHAPTER THREE: DEMONIC VISIONS Part 4

About yet another mystic, Ibn Taymeeyah relates, "There was a Shaykh knowledgeable in the religious sciences and Qur'anic recitation to whom the devils came and eventually managed to seduce. They told him that Salaah was no longer required of him and that they would bring him whatever he wished. As soon as he complied with their wishes, they began to bring him a variety of sweets and fruit. This continued until he was advised to repent by some scholars that he visited who were firmly following the Sunnah. He subsequently repented and repaid the owners of the sweets for what he ate while under the influence of the JINN." He then went on to say, "Many of those who call on Shaykhs in time of need saying, 'O master so and so, or Shaykh so and so, fulfill my need' have seen an image of the Shaykh saying, 'I will fulfill your need and put your heart at ease,' then it fulfills their needs or repels their enemies. In such cases it is a devil taking the Shaykh's form when they committed Shirk by associating partners with Allaah and calling on others beside Him." Ibn Taymeeyah then went on to enumerate similar instances involving himself saying, "I know of many such incidences even among a group of my companions who called on me in times when they were struck by calamities. One was afraid of the Romans and another of the Tatars. Both of them mentioned that they called out to me, they saw me in the air and I repelled their enemies for them. I informed them that I did not hear their cries no did I repel their enemies. It was a devil taking my appearance to seduce them when they associated partners with Allaah the Almighty. Similar incidents have also happened to the students of my contemporaries among the scholars, whereby some of their students have sought refuge in them and have seen them fulfill their needs. The scholars have also denied doing so and indicated that it was in fact the work of devils." [Majmoo' Al-Fataawaa, Vol. 35, pp. 112-116]

In another book, Ibn Taymeeyah said, "I know people whom the plants greet and inform them of their beneficial ingredients, however it is, in fact, Satan who has entered the plants and spoken to them. I also know of others to whom stones and trees speak saying, "Congratulations, Oh friend of Allaah" and when the people recite Aayatul-Kursee it stops. I am acquainted with yet others who have gone bird-hunting and the sparrows addressed them saying, "Take me so that the poor may eat me." Such are cases of the evil JINN possessing the birds in the same way that others who, while in their house with the doors and vice versa [Many of those in our times who have claimed what is known as 'out-of-body experiences' or 'astral-travel' have recorded in vivid detail incidences simialr to those mentioned by Ibn Taymeeyah. Others have met beings which claimed to be guides, guardian spirits or their higher selves. However, the common thought which links most of these experiences is the ultimate expression of idolatry: that man is God, as was expressed by Al-Hallaaj and countless others before and after him.] He may even be taken through the closed city gates and back again swiftly by the JINN. Lights may shine on him or someone looking like his friend may call on him but, if he recites Aayatul-Kursee continually, it will all dissappear." He also said, "Some mystics have also said that the JINN showed them something shiny like water and glass in which images or pictures of whatever they sought information would appear and they in turn wold inform people." Ibn Taymeeyah mentioned other instances and then concluded by saying, "This is a so vast a topic that if I were to mention all that I knew, it would fill a very large volume." [Ibn Taymeeyah, Al-Furqaan Bayna Awliyaa ar-Rahmaan wa Awliyaa ash-Shaytaan, pp. 87-92]

That explains that.

OK well explained jazakallah

load of nonsense.

See how my fellow religious people are contradicting themselves.


In islam and christianity, death takes you to the other side. How can you believe that someone is in paradise/hell and then, believe that the person is on earth again?

reincarnation is impossible if you believe in christianity or islam.



This is a load of rubbish.

JackBizzle:



In islam and christianity, death takes you to the other side. How can you believe that someone is in paradise/hell and then, believe that the person is on earth again?

reincarnation is impossible if you believe in christianity or islam.

This phenomenon is not as a result of reincarnation.

A dead person is dead.

Read the essay above.

tbaba1234:


This phenomenon is not as a result of reincarnation.

A dead person is dead.

Read the essay above.

The essay is long-winded and off topic.


Care to say it in a few sentences how someone that is dead can be around working and living life somewhere else?

zemaye:

Empiree what does the Rasul(saw) said about this?

Good question. The only thing I can say about this is the status can only be attained through dua, taqwa and other good deeds. I do not believe in other way. I do remember hadith which speaks of nabuwan i:e prophet-hood (dont know if i spell it correctly). It says there are 40s of them. None would remain expect one. The last part of prophet-hood will continue to function, dream/vision. This is Rawaniyah by the way. He does not believe in anything except dua. I am talking about the old one. He confirms prophet Muhammad (saw) was sent to them.

I think tbaba pretty much describes Jinn and their functions. Those ones are detested cuz they lie and deceptive. Jinn eavesdrop conversation. This is haram. The problem with unlearned men about situation like this is that when some of his clients' needs are met, they tend to venerate him (Ruhaniya). He rejects such a thing. Some client even take advantage by saying silly things like he should go and steal money from the bank for them. He frowns and asks that they never return. He also reject incantation. He speaks any language. I am looking forward to learn hadith on this one. This Ruhaniya is not human not Jinn. If you do have hadith that speaks on this specifically, i will be willing to look into it. Some people however do go too far in mysticism. I wont deny that.

JackBizzle:




The essay is long-winded and off topic.


Care to say it in a few sentences how someone that is dead can be around working and living life somewhere else?

It is not off topic or long winded, it addresses the issue and others related to it, giving examples.

First of all, the person is dead. There is no reincarnation.

However, there are creatures known as Jinn, that can create an illusion of life, for people. By taking the form or the voice.

JackBizzle:




The essay is long-winded and off topic.


Care to say it in a few sentences how someone that is dead can be around working and living life somewhere else?

tbaba1234:

A dead person is dead.

tbaba1234:


It is not off topic or long winded, it addresses the issue and others related to it, giving examples.

First of all, the person is dead. There is no reincarnation.

However, there are creatures known as Jinn, that can create an illusion of life, for people. By taking the form or the voice.

I know what a Jinn is.

Now, can you explain clearly, how such a Jinn will be able to fool a community because the op and others have given examples where the supposedly dead man is having successful business in another town/city.

Empiree:
tbaba1234:

A dead person is dead.

Are you a mouthpiece?

JackBizzle:


I know what a Jinn is.

Now, can you explain clearly, how such a Jinn will be able to fool a community because the op and others have given examples where the supposedly dead man is having successful business in another town/city.

I can not validate the examples given by others, that is not my place.

If you read the 'long winded' essay, some of these things be clearer.

tbaba1234:


I can not validate the examples given by others, that is not my place.

If you read the 'long winded' essay, some of these things be clearer.

Your long-winded essay is off-topic and nonsensical to say the least.

The op gave clear examples of what he meant. You are just posting essays on Jinns that might not even be relevant to the op.


Take the 3rd chapter which talks about Jinns confusing a Shaykh......seriously off topic!!

JackBizzle:



The op gave clear examples of what he meant. You are just posting essays on Jinns that might not even be relevant to the op.


Take the 3rd chapter which talks about Jinns confusing a Shaykh......seriously off topic!!

It is a chapter that addresses actions taken by the jinn including examples relating to exactly what the op meant.

Validating a person's story is not its' role. It is to show that these things do happen and they take different forms. What is addressed here is just one example.

If you put think about it, just a little, you might just get it

tbaba1234:


It is a chapter that addresses actions taken by the jinn including examples relating to exactly what the op meant.

Validating a person's story is not its' role. It is to show that these things do happen and they take different forms. What is addressed here is just one example.

If you put think about it, just a little, you might just get it

Akudaya is a Yoruba word for wraith or better put, a resurrected person who now lives away from family and friends in order to avoid being seen or discovered......


Does that sound like a Jinn to you?

You don't get it.

JackBizzle:




Akudaya is a Yoruba word for wraith or better put, a resurrected person who now lives away from family and friends in order to avoid being seen or discovered......


Does that sound like a Jinn to you?

Empiree:
You don't get it.

Thanks.

JackBizzle, what is really being conveyed with respect to 'Akudaya' is that when someone dies, he is dead. Period. The idea that people see such person in another city etc, is that Jinn, most of them are bad, take the form. They are capable of taking form of your long dead grandfather and speaking to you. And you would recognize he's your grandfather. That is the illusion mentioned in above essay. The reality is the man talking to you is not your grandfather. He's Jinn. I learn that this thing is common in Hinduism as well. You just have to watch out.

When I was growing up, we were taught to cover our private before shower. Jinn at that moment are capable of seeing you. It's recommended that anyone (male or female) at age of puberty should cover his(her) private in shower. In Hinduism, they believe that as well. In their theology, it's believed that water is life and must be respected while taking shower by covering your private. That's correct as far as I am concern.

I understand some people may not feel comfortable with my narrative, especially Muslims. Your eyes are rolling like what the heck is empiree talking about. I want you to please see my writings as mere narration. I said it earlier that I would narrate relationship between a human being and the world of unseen. Therefore, one shouldn't see this as my absolute creed. It's events I witnessed myself. The man in question himself doesn't talk about this save those around him for long time like myself. I never ever talked about stuff like this either. I don't even pay much attention to this issue of 'Ruhaniya'. This topic only brought it up and I sensed I should share it.

Motivatively, it was because of ongoing incident in connection to this. And the man directly involved is a well known family-friend that I called uncle. He's christian. He came here to spend some time with me last month. I was aware of his predicament since 2010. But I snubbed him early 2012 because he talks too much. Suddenly he called me last month in distress and I felt bad. But within 2yrs we didnt see each other, I was following his condition through the man in question. And now that he's back, I feel like sharing his story but I havent even talked about him yet. I started the story about how Ruhaniya came about. But this uncle i knew since 1989 back home.

1-To Muslims, I have to share that seeking knowledge is incumbent on us. Past Ulama did great job but it doesnt stops there. We are to continue from where they stopped. I am sorry i wont be able to quote directly but you can research further. It was reported that Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessing be upon him) have said:

'my Ummah is like rain. I do not know which shower is better. The first or the last'

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2-Another example is four rightly guided caliphs and closed companions of the prophet(saw). Before prophet passed away, he warned that no one steps on his 'minbar'(prayer spot). So after he passed away, the first 3(three) caliphs did not step nor pray in his minbar throughout their tenures. But when the last Calip, Ali ibn Tabit (ra) became leader, he stepped and prayed on prophet's minbar(prayer spot). The people who are aware of this warning criticized Ali(ra) that prophet forbade this and that he had committed sin. It's was Ali who now interpreted prophet Muhammad's statement mentioned above (in bold). He said "minbar" that Muhammad was talking about refers to his (prophet's wives). That no one should inherit prophet's wives after him. That is what the statement mean. Not minbar(where he prayed). But Ali's (ra) knowledge here does not diminish his predecessors.

3-Another example are books written on Dajjal (anti-christ) in the early days, it makes perfect sense to those people base on their intellect and ability to think. But if you read those books today about Dajjal compare to what we now know about him, you'll find gross mistakes in their understanding of him. I am not talking about hadith. I am talking about books written on him by some early scholars. But does this diminishes their efforts?, absolutely not.

4-Another example is told in the QURAN in Surah Khaf, the story of Moses (alaiy salam) and Khidr (alaiy salam). Moses is regarded as one of the great and brilliant prophets yet Khidr was his teacher. And Khidr is merely portrayed in the Quran as servant (of God). But he taught Moses, a prophet great things that he knew not. But does this diminished Moses's status before God?. No. I think you should understand my point now. I wont elaborate.

Ruhaniya story will continue, inshallah...

Empiree:
JackBizzle, what is really being conveyed with respect to 'Akudaya' is that when someone dies, he is dead. Period. The idea that people see such person in another city etc, is that Jinn, most of them are bad, take the form. They are capable of taking form of your long dead grandfather and speaking to you. And you would recognize he's your grandfather. That is the illusion mentioned in above essay. The reality is the man talking to you is not your grandfather. He's Jinn. I learn that this thing is common in Hinduism as well. You just have to watch out.

When I was growing up, we were thought to cover our private before shower. Jinn at that moment are capable of seeing you. It's recommended that anyone (male or female) at age of puberty should cover his(her) private in shower. In Hinduism, they believe that as well. In their theology, it's believe that water is life and must be respected while taking shower by covering your private. That's correct as far as I am concern.

Hinduism talks about reincarnation
Akudaya is a ressurected person
Jinn is a mischevious spirit

The fact that you guys keep forcing Arabic/Islamic theology into Yoruba beliefs and now, hinduism.

Islam and jinns have nothing to do with reincarnation. Period.

Akudaya is reincarnation. So your Jinn theory is out of the way.

Empiree:


When I was growing up, we were thought to cover our private before shower. Jinn at that moment are capable of seeing you. It's recommended that anyone (male or female) at age of puberty should cover his(her) private in shower. In Hinduism, they believe that as well. In their theology, it's believe that water is life and must be respected while taking shower by covering your private. That's correct as far as I am concern.

This is nonsense at its highest

JackBizzle:




Hinduism talks about reincarnation
Akudaya is a ressurected person
Jinn is a mischevious spirit

It's okay pal. You dont have to believe us. It seems you believe in reincarnation.

Definitions:

Reincarnation is the religious or philosophical concept that the soul or spirit, after biological death, begins a new life in a new body.

Resurrection is the concept of a living being coming back to life after death.

My belief is that resurrection doesnt take place here on earth until afterlife when everything is crumbled and Judgement Day sets in. But if you believe resurrection, Akudaya as you said, in another word, 'ayorun bo' kindly give us evidence of this. Evidence should not be someone who fell unconscious and later regain himself. I see this all the times. Thanks

Reincarnation on the other hand is mere fallacy. We say Jinn take form of individual. If you have a family member who passed away while back and living some place else, while he's buried in your backyard, bring him home and show him his place, lol. We believe when someone dies, that's it. O tun daye tuwa.

Jinn, we all know they are confirmed despicable species

I have to rectify my mistake in earlier post on Ruhaniya. Before that there is a need to acknowledge existence of unseen world namely Angel (the highest of them all), Jinn, and Ruhaniya.

Of all supernatural beings we cant see, Angels are the most pious and powerful one for simple reason. They have no freedom. They do what they are ordered. Angels and Jinn are most common among humans. But in between them are Ruhaniya. My understanding is Ruhaniya are next to Angels. They live just like human i:e they reproduce, they work to earn living just like Jinn. Although Quran speaks of Angels and Jinn basically. However, the same way Quran speaks of 25 prophets of God by names and at the same time acknowledges existence of other prophets not mentioned in the Quran, is the same with Ruhaniya. Ruhaniya exist in their own dimension of space and time. We human can not see them. They have Muslims and non-muslims amongst them.

Error that I made in my earlier post is that [s]they have their own Masjid(Mosque) around Grand Mosque in Makkah.[/s] This is incorrect. I wanted to say they have their own Jummah(congregation) in the same Kahaba in Makkah but we can not see them. They do tawaf, Haj, umrah, Safa and marwa like we do. 137 yr oldRuhaniya i was talking about earlier said prophet Muhammad (God bless him) was sent to them. He said 'anytime we hear his name we send salawat on him with respect'.

Ruhaniya and Jinn are distinct but have something in common, being unseen. Most Jinn by my understanding is they are 'Jinn-aswad'. They are evil. The curse on their father (iblis-Satan) radiates on most of them. That's why any human, like witches and wizards that use charm or magics on their fellow human, it's Jinn behind that. They consult Jinn. Jinn have lots of charm, incantation, and magic (haram). Some Ruhaniya do too but most of them are pure. They possess less charm, lots of prayers.

So if a Jinn says to you not to offer Salat you know you are threading the wrong part. Jinn too recognize Prophet Muhammad (as). They are ordered by God to worship Him Alone.

“And I did not create the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

However not all Jinn are non-believers and evil. Among them are Muslims and pious. Just that their 'father' iblis disobeyed God and was cursed.

"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers."

But this doesnt mean they are all bad or disbelievers just like not all Nigerians are credit cards fraudsters, drug dealers etc

Allah reported about Jinns that they said:

{'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.)} [72:11]

Ibn Abbas and other scholars explained this verse by saying that there are Muslims and non-Muslim Jinns. In fact both Humans and Jinns are ordered to worship Allah. So some of them believe in Allah and abide by His orders. While others refuse to believe in Allah and remain on their disbelief. The Head of this last group is the cursed Satan. Allah knows best.

Problem with we human is we marginalized them. This is bigotry. But if a Jinn is telling you not to pray anymore...that you are above the status because you gain a lot from him, you should know you dealing with Jinn-aswad, unbelieving, demonic Jinn. Muslim Jinn and Ruhaniya (Angelic spirit) will never tell you that.

if akudaya is a myth, why is alujonu not a myth? jinn is the caucasian (a man, devil). while i was a small boy, i was told that when a person dies young and not up to the 70 years mark, then they will still be roaming around the earth surface (this is a myth). the true talk is when a person dies physically, no return, no spirits. the dead person's spirit can only live with his loved ones if he is a good and righteous person. hitler was bad, yet his spirit still lives, why? the jews can hate all they want, without hitler, germany will not be what they are today, that is his spirit still living.

Empiree:
Akudaya: Myth or Reality?

What is Akudaya?
It simply means incarnation or reincarnation.

Myth or Reality?
Both

Explain please:
It is a myth because when a person dies he(or she) does not come back to life(world). He(or she) can no longer be seen.
How then is it real. But we hear stories about them. So?. Jinn(Alujonu) at work. They take form of dead people. They could take form of your grandfather that died longtime ago and people who know your grandfather will confirm seeing him. In short, the reality is 'he' is seen. The myth is the person seen is not your real grandfather. You can get deep sense of this in Islam. When someone dies, that's it. The person is dead for real whether natural death or murdered.
Jinns reside in dirty, filthy places, like bathroom, filthy uncompleted building. That's why it's advisable to wear clothe to cover private part when taking shower. Cover yourself with blanket (etc) during intercourse. Don't be scared now. They don't necessarily reside in all dirty bathrooms or places. Jinns are endowed with supernatural perception. They lodge where they can see human but human beings can not see them. They can see you taking shower, having intercourse etc. Most of them are liars. Never take their words seriously. In a nutshell, if you see "Akudaya", a relative, he or she is not your relative so long as the person is dead. Hope this answer your question. See if you can find useful info in this link.
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gatiano:
if akudaya is a myth, why is alujonu not a myth? jinn is the caucasian (a man, devil). while i was a small boy, i was told that when a person dies young and not up to the 70 years mark, then they will still be roaming around the earth surface (this is a myth). the true talk is when a person dies physically, no return, no spirits. the dead person's spirit can only live with his loved ones if he is a good and righteous person. hitler was bad, yet his spirit still lives, why? the jews can hate all they want, without hitler, germany will not be what they are today, that is his spirit still living.

Haba, you got somethings mixed up here. Alujonu (Jinn) are another creation of God in their own planet. Caucasian are White people. White people are human beings(mankind). Just because some White folks behave bad does not mean they are Jinn. If that's is the case, then you should agree with me that devils among Black people are Jinn, too. Humans are human, Jinn are Jinn. Complete different creations. Your theory is flawed.

"Akudaya" is famous creed among Yoruba people. Maybe other tribes, too. According to them, if someone dies 'before his time', he reincarnates. We Muslims do not believe that. When someone dies, that is it. If however it is confirmed that the person is seen some place else while already dead, it's illusion. We say Jinn is at work. Pls continue reading this thread. Thanks

This is not reincarnation. It is called earth-bound. The person while alive was attached so much to something. When he passed on could not move on and is hence earth bound. More enlightenment on this can be gotten from the Grail Message.