striktlymi:
What about those who give tithe freely without being asked to?

bolaino:
so According to your logic my good man, we should allow people with dangerous ideologies like the islamic militants ISIS and Boko haram continue their forms of sabotage, because they have freewill?

You are on your own on this, like I said no arguments.

If you didn't understand me, let me explain.

Why is BH, ISIS et al doing what they are doing?

Answer is simple, they want everyone to think and act like them.

The same thing you are doing, you want everyone to think like you.

BH Didn't just wake up to carry guns, it started by someone forming the ideology, teaching and spreading it like you are doing, because they believed it, the ideology became radicalized, then they started fighting for what they strongly believe in

Live and let others live

PastorKun:


Nobody freely gives tithe without being asked to, they give because they have been indoctrinated into believing the lie that it is required of them as believers.

striktlymi:


Get your facts right! I have seen cases where ordinary church members go to ask the pastor for the 'favour' of paying tithe when the pastor never asked or preached it to them. Those are cases I am a witness to. I was not told. It would help if you stop thinking just in one direction.

To the Original Poster: The question I asked still awaits your response.

striktlymi:


Get your facts right! I have seen cases where ordinary church members go to ask the pastor for the 'favour' of paying tithe when the pastor never asked or preached it to them. Those are cases I am a witness to. I was not told. It would help if you stop thinking just in one direction.

To the Original Poster: The question I asked still awaits your response.

PastorKun:


You are still saying what I am saying, if a church member believes that there is favour in paying tithes, it's because such a person as been indoctrinated(brainwashed) into believing such thrash.

bolaino:
they are the ones encouraging the fraud to continue, they should rather give their tithes to the less privileged and poor widows as admonished in the Gospel of james.

bolaino:
Good morning my Good sire, I have answered your question, I said, those who give tithes without being asked to, are encouraging the fraud. Their monies would have better use to the orphaned, poor, widowed and destitute.

PastorKun:


You are still saying what I am saying, if a church member believes that there is favour in paying tithes, it's because such a person as been indoctrinated(brainwashed) into believing such thrash.

striktlymi:


I agree that it may be so for some peeps but not everyone is like that. Some do it because they want to genuinely support preachers in their ministry.

I see preachers like Oyakhilome, Okotie, TB Joshua, the winners guy etc as very successful businessmen, not preachers but this personal opinion does not mean we don't have preachers who try to be in tune with God's word.

Kumuyi and the dude from Apostolic faith, from a distance, are some I think are trying to build their church in line with the dictates of Sacred scriptures, my personal reservations notwithstanding; I believe genuine preachers should get the necessary support.

bolaino:
I agree with you that there are genuine preachers, and they should be given any form of support, be it financial or otherwise, I have no qualms with that, my issue is with the idea, which is inherent in all pentecostal pastors, about tithing, if we are to be truthful to ourselves we would acknowledge that tithing is not for the New testament christian, voluntary giving was admonished in the scriptures, even giving to help the ministry was also encouraged, but what was never encouraged or even talked about was tithe, because Jesus the christ and his early disciples knew it was not in their place to ask their followers to pay compulsory tax/levy/tithe, they knew if they asked for tithe, the work of Jesus the christ would have been rubbished by that singular gesture, hence they refrained themselves from speaking about tithe.

bolaino:
Good morning my Good sire, I have answered your question, I said, those who give tithes without being asked to, are encouraging the fraud. Their monies would have better use to the orphaned, poor, widowed and destitute.

Seeing the embolden reminded me of, the case in the bible where a woman washed JESUS' feet and wiped it alabaster oil, one of the disciples rebuked her saying, the oil could be sold and the money given to the poor.

Kikikikikikikikiki,
I love the holy book, you find a lot. It makes one see more reason to believe there's nothing new in the world

I love Jesus' Response.

ideology:

emmyskies:


I quite agree with you that 95% of church and pastor in Nigeria have compromised and are after wealth and many other things. But the truth still remain that christian ought to pay tithe. Most pastors capitalize on this to make themselves rich doesn't mean true believers shouldn't pay tithe anymore in the real christian church they attend. The pastor of my church don't own a private jet and won't.

There is about only 5% of christians and church in Nigeria that is true. And is mandated of them to pay tithe, irrespective of how their counterpart that have compromised are trying to mock GOD. Let the inhabitats of the earth rejoice and be glad because the LORD liveth and reigneth. Even before the foundations of the world, GOD is never mocked and never will

GOD bless you ma

bolaino:

bolaino:

there is a big difference between being good and doing right .
God is God, infallible,
our choices are ours, It will not change God

JakeII:


Thanks for your comment, you've said almost all I would have said....however, my opinion may differ a bit from yours that tithe is mandatory in this regard; 1.Tithing came up in old testament and everything in old testament was made compulsory because it was the era of LAW. But it is not so in new testament because it is an era or dispensation of grace.
2. No matter how much tithe one pays, he/she is not guaranteed of making heaven on that basis alone....the summary of this new testament- and for anyone to make heaven- is Faith, Hope and Love
Thus, tithe can only be said to be important for christians because it is a means of blessing. Whatever God says, He says. He has promised to bless all tithe payers hence, paying tithe will lead to blessing. It should be noted that 'it is given to man to choose between life and death' same with blessing. It is not by force except for those who really want it. So, i don't think Tithe is COMPULSORY!

emmyskies:


From your write-up, I can't help but say you have a very shallow understanding of the word of GOD.

1. Tithe wasn't abolised in the new testament. JESUS CHRIST compared the prayer of the pharisee and the publican, which the pharisee was justifying himself before GOD that he pays tithes and does other good works and exalt himself.
Also, the scribes and pharisees pay tithes, the LORD didn't rebuke them for this but rebuked them as they serve GOD deceitfully and neglect the whethtier matter of the law, faith, judgement and mercy.
Even the law wasn't abolished yet alone tithing.
Like you don't know the purpose of the coming of Christ?

Tithe, compulsory?? Hmmm, give to GOD what belongs to GOD, don't rob Him.
2. Wow!!! Is that really the summary of the new testament and how to make heaven? Like seriously?

PastorKun:


Evidently it is you that has an extremely shallow understanding of scriptures and the new covenant. Tithing is part of the old jewish laws and it is crystal clear from scriptures that christians are not to obey the jewish laws.

That is apart from the fact that the type of tithes preached and practised today (money from income) is unbiblical and can best be described as a fraud derived from twisting scriptures.

emmyskies:

From your write-up, I can't help but say you have a very shallow understanding of the word of GOD.

emmyskies:

1. Tithe wasn't abolished in the new testament. JESUS CHRIST compared the prayer of the pharisee and the publican, which the pharisee was justifying himself before GOD that he pays tithes and does other good works and exalt himself.

emmyskies:

Also, the scribes and pharisees pay tithes, the LORD didn't rebuke them for this but rebuked them as they serve GOD deceitfully and neglect the whethtier matter of the law, faith, judgement and mercy.

emmyskies:
Even the law wasn't abolished yet alone tithing.

emmyskies:
Like you don't know the purpose of the coming of Christ?
Tithe, compulsory?? Hmmm, give to GOD what belongs to GOD, don't rob Him.

PastorKun:


Evidently it is you that has an extremely shallow understanding of scriptures and the new covenant. Tithing is part of the old jewish laws and it is crystal clear from scriptures that christians are not to obey the jewish laws.

That is apart from the fact that the type of tithes preached and practised today (money from income) is unbiblical and can best be described as a fraud derived from twisting scriptures.

JakeII:
From your write-up, I can't help but say you have a very shallow understanding of the word of GOD.

1. Tithe wasn't abolised in the new testament. JESUS CHRIST compared the prayer of the pharisee and the publican, which the pharisee was justifying himself before GOD that he pays tithes and does other good works and exalt himself.
Also, the scribes and pharisees pay tithes, the LORD didn't rebuke them for this but rebuked them as they serve GOD deceitfully and neglect the whethtier matter of the law, faith, judgement and mercy.
Even the law wasn't abolished yet alone tithing.
Like you don't know the purpose of the coming of Christ?

Tithe, compulsory?? Hmmm, give to GOD what belongs to GOD, don't rob Him.
2. Wow!!! Is that really the summary of the new testament and how to make heaven? Like seriously?

I really thank God for your life that you have a strong Knowledge of the scriptures, even if u think mine is shallow....I am not too suprised to see the way u replied, it's simply the way of life in Nigeria, very obvious on Nairaland, people's avenue to show they have the best opinion and pass either plain and holy insults....lols!
Anyway, if what i said is not same with u, you would have taken time to understand my comment very well. I never said tithe was abolished or even said paying it is wrong. Though sarcastically written, my point was that anyone who is not paying tithe is simply missing out of God's blessing for abundance as He promised. But I remain strong on this....Paying tithe alone doesn't guarantee heaven...

emmyskies:
@ Crazyman :

I intensionally didn't quote the scriptures because I am discouraged how many who pose as christians don't know these things. I just tire. I tire no be small. It's discouraging.

Well, without writing much, you that interrupt don't know much about the scriptures still. Forgive me for saying that. You don't even know when tithing was introduced. Hmmm,,,when even Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, Paul even talked on this when comparing the priesthood of Melchizedek and the Levites, even Jacob made a tithing vow unto the LORD if He return safely to his father's house when he was fleeing before Esau. Hmmm, what more can I say?

Tithing was never abolished in the new testament. It was not talked about much because it is a sure thing everyone know to be done. As hypocrites justify themselves with good works of paying tithe. No be now wey... make I close mouth. Make I no talk. If ye have the spirit, He will give you understanding.

Wow!!! Like seriously?? So the law was abolished eh?? Kai,, this one now no be twisting, na direct opposite of the word of JESUS CHRIST himself which don't even need divine understanding to understand. This one wey even dey clear self wey even outsiders go understand. Wow!
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. " (Matthew 5:17-18)
Whether you believe o, whether you no believe o, till heaven and earth pass away, verilly verily, one jot, shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Yes o

Tithing was never a law? Have ye read the Book of law? Or na just the ten commandments you're talking about?

Because they robbed GOD by not paying tithe. GOD himself said it:
"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." (Malachi 3:8-9)
Let them that have ear, let them hear.

And crazyman, pls don't quote me again. GOD bless you

bolaino:
so According to your logic my good man, we should allow people with dangerous ideologies like the islamic militants ISIS and Boko haram continue their forms of sabotage, because they have freewill?

BodyKiss:


Good question. I wonder why such freewill wasn't accorded to Saul of tarsus when he was heading to damascus?

emmyskies:
@ Crazyman :

I intensionally didn't quote the scriptures because I am discouraged how many who pose as christians don't know these things. I just tire. I tire no be small. It's discouraging.

emmyskies:
Well, without writing much, you that interrupt don't know much about the scriptures still. Forgive me for saying that.

emmyskies:
You don't even know when tithing was introduced.

emmyskies:
Hmmm,,,when even Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek,

emmyskies:
Paul even talked on this when comparing the priesthood of Melchizedek and the Levites,

emmyskies:
even Jacob made a tithing vow unto the LORD if He return safely to his father's house when he was fleeing before Esau. Hmmm, what more can I say?

emmyskies:
Tithing was never abolished in the new testament. It was not talked about much because it is a sure thing everyone know to be done.

emmyskies:
As hypocrites justify themselves with good works of paying tithe. No be now wey... make I close mouth. Make I no talk. If ye have the spirit, He will give you understanding.

emmyskies:
TWow!!! Like seriously?? So the law was abolished eh?? Kai,, this one now no be twisting, na direct opposite of the word of JESUS CHRIST himself which don't even need divine understanding to understand. This one wey even dey clear self wey even outsiders go understand. Wow!

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. " (Matthew 5:17-18)
Whether you believe o, whether you no believe o, till heaven and earth pass away, verilly verily, one jot, shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Yes o

emmyskies:

Tithing was never a law? Have ye read the Book of law? Or na just the ten commandments you're talking about?

emmyskies:
Because they robbed GOD by not paying tithe. GOD himself said it:
"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." (Malachi 3:8-9)
Let them that have ear, let them hear.

emmyskies:
And crazyman, pls don't quote me again. GOD bless you

CrazyMan:

Lol...you intentionally refuse to quote the scriptures in a biblical discussion...how then do you expect people to learn from your post absent biblical references?


And you that know so much about the scriptures, why do you find it very difficult to quote it to back up your arguments?


Ok then...tell us which biblical evidence when it (tithing) was introduced.


Please don't misquote the scriptures. Abraham wasn't ordered by anyone to pay. Secondly the tithe Abraham gave to melchizedek was a tenth of his what he plundered from the war he fought and not his belongings.

It was more like a thanksgiving offering to God for making him victorious in the war against Chedorlaomer and the kings of Sodom.


Kindly post a bible passage of paul telling the early church to pay tithe as you claim in your post above.


You mean this passage?

Genesis 28:20-22
20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God:

 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Note God never asked Jacob to pay any tithe.

Jacob made a vow to God of his own will and ability.

Just like the passage below.

2 Chorithians 9:7
 7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Jacob gave a tenth of his belongings to God not because God requested for it, but because he saw it as a fulfillment of a vow he made personally with God.

The only place where God specifically mandated people to pay tithe was in the cas of the israelites (see my previous post).


Lol...sure thing and Jesus nor his disciples never bothered to mention it even once.

Sure thing indeed.


The spirit has already given me understanding.


Lol it may be clear to outsiders, it certainly isn't clear to you.

I would give you valid biblical proofs to show you that Jesus abolished the law of moses.

John 8:3-6
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Let's also see.
Matthew 12:10-13
 10 ¶And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

 11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

 12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

 13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Now according to you, if the law wasn't abolished, why then did Jesus prevent the adulterous woman from being stoned?

According to the law she ought to have been stoned, so are you saying that Jesus broke the law by allowing the woman live?

And in the second passage would you accuse Jesus of healing a paralyzed man like the pharisees simply because he broke the law?

In case you don't know Christ abolished the law of moses because it was no longer relevant.

That's why we no longer offer bulls and goats as antonment for our sins, because christ has already paid the price with his blood.


Yes tithing was never a law...I stand by my decision until you provide valid proof (apart from God's command to the children of israel concerning the levities) of Jesus asking us to pay tithe.


Lol when next you quote the bible for references purpose, be honest enough to quote the full context.

That passage if you read from verse 6 was God speaking to the children of israel because they cheated him by not giving the levites their rightful share of his blessings (tithes) hence he (God) made that statement.

I'm not surprised the way by which MOG have turned and twisted it to mean the church of our generation in order to milk gullible members dry.


I would stop when you stop...until then we'll continue to quote each other.

God bless you also.

Billyonaire:


So where was God, when where ever he is, was being created, and by whom ? There is nothing like God. Because the world wasnt even created.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.

I can only be grateful to God for the grace to believe without questions. Oniah u should believe too . God was the Creator that wasn't created. that's why he's God. He created light and air and every thing yo imagination can grasp was at the beginning. He is actually the beginning hallelujah!!

Nmeri17:


1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.

I can only be grateful to God for the grace to believe without questions. Oniah u should believe too . God was the Creator that wasn't created. that's why he's God. He created light and air and every thing yo imagination can grasp was at the beginning. He is actually the beginning hallelujah!!

bolaino:
so, simply put, you'll pay tithe today.