MetaPhysical:



Let's dial back the hand of time. The take is that Yoruba is synonymous with Oyo. Who founded Oyo?

MetaPhysical:



Let's dial back the hand of time. The take is that Yoruba is synonymous with Oyo.

1. Who founded Oyo?

IleIfe is much older than Oyo.
2. What were the people of Ife called?

Life in Ífè is as it was in the time of the Gods


Of Old Arámfè's realm . . . They went away; But still with us their altars and their priests Remain, and from their shrines the hidden Gods Peer forth with joy to watch the dance they taught, And hear each night their chorus with the drum: For changeless here the early World endures In this first stronghold of humanity, And, constant as the buffets of the waves Of Queen Olókun on the shore, the song, The dance of those old Gods abide, the mirth, The life . . . I, too, am born of the beginning:

Odúm’la speaks for the Gods;

For, when from the sight of men the Great Gods passed, They left on Earth Órní Odúm’la charged To be a father to a mourning people, To tend the shrines and utter solemn words Inspired by Those invisible. And when Odúm’la's time had come to yield the crown, To wait upon the River's brink, and cross To Old Arámfè—Ífa, in his wisdom, and lives for ever in the person of the Órní.

MetaPhysical:
....continuing from The Myth,





This is a chronicle of the Ooni dynastic rule.

Titles, Names, Aliases all got mixed up as time passed through the ages.

Aramfe is also called Ifa.
Oduduwa is also called Odum'la.

I draw attention to where they say Orni Odum'la was left in charge on Earth. This is a mindset and position commonly held by colonists.....world super powers or guardians of civilizatiins and world orders!

The Ifes...Yorubas, at one time had a superiority claim on world civilization.

We need to explore deeply and insightfully into the archives and legacies of these people and culture, holistically, and not half heartedly relying all on written chnronicles and dismissing histories passed down orally or in crafts.

kabiyesiii:
How could the name "Yoruba" be of Hausa origin? Let's give Samuel Johnson a break. He was away for a while due to slavery, and despite the circumstances, he did the best he could do. Some of his mistakes in "The History of Yorubas" were not intentional. What of the 21st Century historians we have today, what kind of archeological research are they doing, and what are their references?

Hausa called Ọyọ Ile, Katunga. Hausa would definitely call the the people of katunga, Katunga-bawan. How did that then change to Yoru-bawan (Yoruba)? Even the often quoted Sultan Bello of the Sokoto Caliphate would not explain that.

Yoruba people were known as ANAGO, from the ANAGO language we speak. Mali and Ọyọ Empires were contemporaries, and they had diplomatic relationship. And it was from Mali, that the name "Yoruba" was first used to refer to ANAGO people. As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" appeared in treatises written by the Great Songhai scholar, Ahmed Baba, in the 1500s, that refers to people that speaks ANAGO and its dialects.

An ethnic group is usually known by what its neighbors call them. Germans don't call themselves German, but that is what their neighbors call them. And Chinese don't call themselves Chinese, but that is what outsiders call them. Same with Finland (Suomi), Hungary (Magyar) and Japan (Nippon).

At a much later date, the "Yoruba" name filtered to the Fulani, and to the Hausa, to the Europeans and to the rest of the world.

It was through Mali, that Yoruba first encountered Islam and muslims. That was why Yoruba called Islam "ẹsin imale" (religion from mali) and a muslim is called "imale" till today. It is because of muslim fanaticism that Yoruba now call Islam "ẹsin imọle" (fanatical religion). Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL, Salafist jihadists, Wahhabism are case in point.

Yoruba were excellent traders. Ọyọ traders were all over, and were nicknamed the "Jews of Africa" (no pun intended). Their remnants, scattered all over Africa, could count (owo ẹyọ) into millions. I would love to know how they were recording those transactions. I hope i still have the genes of these computing geniuses. Our historians need to go to the Library in Timbuktu and translate many of the manuscripts w.r.t Yoruba (Ọyọ), for posterity, instead of "attaching" Yoruba history to the biblical/semitic crap. Garbage in, Garbage out.

The question then is what is the meaning of "Yoruba"? People are usually known by something distinctive about them. A Yoruba returnee group, that settled down in Liberia and Senegambia areas, are known as the "AKU". Yoruba have greetings for everything, and each greeting starts with "Ẹ Ku / A Ku". As a result, their neighbors named the Yoruba returnees, AKU, because they always say "A KU" every time. And the name stuck. Yoruba and their greetings, embedded in their DNA. Yoruba call themselves "ọmọ karọ-ojire", because of their greetings.

Our Ndigbo neighbors nicknamed us N-GBATI (when) because we say that a lot.

To "stand your ground", to "draw the line in the sand" when push comes to shove, YORUBA would say "yo ba iya ẹ", "yo ba baba ẹ", "yo ba ipọnrinpọngba ẹ", "yo ba idile yin", e.t.c. From this common saying, was how the name "Yo(ru)ba"was coined, and it became synonymous with these Great People, of the Great Empire of ỌYỌ AJAKA.

Ọyọ Ile, itself, was derived from "ibi tio yọ" (slippery place). Ọyọ Ile is not the same with Agọ Ọja (present ọyọ). They are as different as night and day.

The Yoruba of today is 180 degrees, out of phase, with the Yoruba of old.

2prexios:
Yoruba is the name by which the south-western people of Nigeria and her Diaspora are known. This effort is an attempt at getting to the root of the eponymous name ‘Yoruba’. What could this ancient word mean?

The fact that the term ‘Yoruba’ has not really been studied in order to be decrypted shows that perhaps, less is gong on as research geared towards understanding the checkered Yoruba history at this era in time.

The onus lies on us to investigate as deeply as possible the meaning of the mysterious name Yoruba so as to learn from its secrets. This present title is the most recent effort at understanding Yoruba history from new breed of writers.

Tan mo o?
ko wa so.

macof:


Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you very much for this brilliant piece not the pseudo-Yoruba history we have people posting here and claiming authority.

If only we had more of u on the culture section

limamintruth:



I only know 'yarbawa', not yoruba; lol.

(pls na joke oo, tam)

2prexios:
Ah, this is beautiful, just so beautiful. I wish you know that that term is from the heart of Semito-Hamitic theory? Be ready to defend it, wherever you get it from. Don't be afraid of the master bullies, their game is that of 'the dog in the manger': they can always vent their hurts and keep invoking their 'forbidden theory'. I am a friend and not fiend. I know no human imposed limitations to my ideas. Never allow nonentities kill the courage in you to share your knowledge. Meanwhile, I love that you come on this section often even as a jovial, quassi-authority.

kabiyesiii:
How could the name "Yoruba" be of Hausa origin? Let's give Samuel Johnson a break. He was away for a while due to slavery, and despite the circumstances, he did the best he could do. Some of his mistakes in "The History of Yorubas" were not intentional. What of the 21st Century historians we have today, what kind of archeological research are they doing, and what are their references?

Hausa called Ọyọ Ile, Katunga. Hausa would definitely call the the people of katunga, Katunga-bawan. How did that then change to Yoru-bawan (Yoruba)? Even the often quoted Sultan Bello of the Sokoto Caliphate would not explain that.

Yoruba people were known as ANAGO, from the ANAGO language we speak. Mali and Ọyọ Empires were contemporaries, and they had diplomatic relationship. And it was from Mali, that the name "Yoruba" was first used to refer to ANAGO people. As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" appeared in treatises written by the Great Songhai scholar, Ahmed Baba, in the 1500s, that refers to people that speaks ANAGO and its dialects.

An ethnic group is usually known by what its neighbors call them. Germans don't call themselves German, but that is what their neighbors call them. And Chinese don't call themselves Chinese, but that is what outsiders call them. Same with Finland (Suomi), Hungary (Magyar) and Japan (Nippon).

At a much later date, the "Yoruba" name filtered to the Fulani, and to the Hausa, to the Europeans and to the rest of the world.

It was through Mali, that Yoruba first encountered Islam and muslims. That was why Yoruba called Islam "ẹsin imale" (religion from mali) and a muslim is called "imale" till today. It is because of muslim fanaticism that Yoruba now call Islam "ẹsin imọle" (fanatical religion). Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL, Salafist jihadists, Wahhabism are case in point.

Yoruba were excellent traders. Ọyọ traders were all over, and were nicknamed the "Jews of Africa" (no pun intended). Their remnants, scattered all over Africa, could count (owo ẹyọ) into millions. I would love to know how they were recording those transactions. I hope i still have the genes of these computing geniuses. Our historians need to go to the Library in Timbuktu and translate many of the manuscripts w.r.t Yoruba (Ọyọ), for posterity, instead of "attaching" Yoruba history to the biblical/semitic crap. Garbage in, Garbage out.

The question then is what is the meaning of "Yoruba"? People are usually known by something distinctive about them. A Yoruba returnee group, that settled down in Liberia and Senegambia areas, are known as the "AKU". Yoruba have greetings for everything, and each greeting starts with "Ẹ Ku / A Ku". As a result, their neighbors named the Yoruba returnees, AKU, because they always say "A KU" every time. And the name stuck. Yoruba and their greetings, embedded in their DNA. Yoruba call themselves "ọmọ karọ-ojire", because of their greetings.

Our Ndigbo neighbors nicknamed us N-GBATI (when) because we say that a lot.

To "stand your ground", to "draw the line in the sand" when push comes to shove, YORUBA would say "yo ba iya ẹ", "yo ba baba ẹ", "yo ba ipọnrinpọngba ẹ", "yo ba idile yin", e.t.c. From this common saying, was how the name "Yo(ru)ba"was coined, and it became synonymous with these Great People, of the Great Empire of ỌYỌ AJAKA.

Ọyọ Ile, itself, was derived from "ibi tio yọ" (slippery place). Ọyọ Ile is not the same with Agọ Ọja (present ọyọ). They are as different as night and day.

The Yoruba of today is 180 degrees, out of phase, with the Yoruba of old.

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kabiyesiii:
How could the name "Yoruba" be of Hausa origin? Let's give Samuel Johnson a break. He was away for a while due to slavery, and despite the circumstances, he did the best he could do. Some of his mistakes in "The History of Yorubas" were not intentional. What of the 21st Century historians we have today, what kind of archeological research are they doing, and what are their references?

Hausa called Ọyọ Ile, [b]Katunga. Hausa would definitely call the the people of katunga, Katunga-bawan.[/b] How did that then change to Yoru-bawan (Yoruba)? Even the often quoted Sultan Bello of the Sokoto Caliphate would not explain that.

Yoruba people were known as ANAGO, from the ANAGO language we speak. Mali and Ọyọ Empires were contemporaries, and they had diplomatic relationship. And it was from Mali, that the name "Yoruba" was first used to refer to ANAGO people. As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" appeared in treatises written by the Great Songhai scholar, Ahmed Baba, in the 1500s, that refers to people that speaks ANAGO and its dialects.

An ethnic group is usually known by what its neighbors call them. Germans don't call themselves German, but that is what their neighbors call them. And Chinese don't call themselves Chinese, but that is what outsiders call them. Same with Finland (Suomi), Hungary (Magyar) and Japan (Nippon).

At a much later date, the "Yoruba" name filtered to the Fulani, and to the Hausa, to the Europeans and to the rest of the world.

It was through Mali, that Yoruba first encountered Islam and muslims. That was why Yoruba called Islam "ẹsin imale" (religion from mali) and a muslim is called "imale" till today. It is because of muslim fanaticism that Yoruba now call Islam "ẹsin imọle" (fanatical religion). Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL, Salafist jihadists, Wahhabism are case in point.

Yoruba were excellent traders. Ọyọ traders were all over, and were nicknamed the "Jews of Africa" (no pun intended). Their remnants, scattered all over Africa, could count (owo ẹyọ) into millions. I would love to know how they were recording those transactions. I hope i still have the genes of these computing geniuses. Our historians need to go to the Library in Timbuktu and translate many of the manuscripts w.r.t Yoruba (Ọyọ), for posterity, instead of "attaching" Yoruba history to the biblical/semitic crap. Garbage in, Garbage out.

The question then is what is the meaning of "Yoruba"? People are usually known by something distinctive about them. A Yoruba returnee group, that settled down in Liberia and Senegambia areas, are known as the "AKU". Yoruba have greetings for everything, and each greeting starts with "Ẹ Ku / A Ku". As a result, their neighbors named the Yoruba returnees, AKU, because they always say "A KU" every time. And the name stuck. Yoruba and their greetings, embedded in their DNA. Yoruba call themselves "ọmọ karọ-ojire", because of their greetings.

Our Ndigbo neighbors nicknamed us N-GBATI (when) because we say that a lot.

To "stand your ground", to "draw the line in the sand" when push comes to shove, YORUBA would say "yo ba iya ẹ", "yo ba baba ẹ", "yo ba ipọnrinpọngba ẹ", "yo ba idile yin", e.t.c. From this common saying, was how the name "Yo(ru)ba"was coined, and it became synonymous with these Great People, of the Great Empire of ỌYỌ AJAKA.

Ọyọ Ile, itself, was derived from "ibi tio yọ" (slippery place). Ọyọ Ile is not the same with Agọ Ọja (present ọyọ). They are as different as night and day.

The Yoruba of today is 180 degrees, out of phase, with the Yoruba of old.

9jacrip:


The sanest and most stimulating post thus far on this thread since I unfollowed it.

God bless you.

2prexios:


Your conclusion is quite disappointing. Its not compulsory you believe the semito-hamitic theory before you are able to separate wheat from chaff. So the name Yoruba is from YoBa, then if you are the only Yoruba on this board, that's what you will establish as sane?

I think you guys are not after any facts or deep inquest, but after the migration story, and the reason is not far fetched. If the truth is told you will loose grip of the people and the covering of lies cast upon them.

Thank God for the Awori thread, there are families in Awori that does not believe in Ife or Oyo story. Yes, you have great empire, it is likely the foremost in Yorubaland in prehistoric times, but it does not make the people to come from you, they can not find their history and we are here to confuse them of their confusion or enlighten them about their records.

If we look outside Yoruba domain, its not out of foolishness, but on the available pointers,and if that is a sin, two wrongs don't make a right, you shouldn't be desperate to take any appearance of opposition to ours as the gospel truth, hello o.

Yo ba furo re or yoo ba iya re is as metaphisical put it, its insult, and vulgar. It means it will be ill with your a.ss or it will be ill with your mother. Iba is a form of sickness with the Yoruba, it is the root source of fever or ill-fate, as in

O de /ba/ Olugbon, o muu mora,
O de /ba/ Aresa, o muu mora,
O de /ba/ Owarangun aga, oun naa mu mora ni,
Kii Ba ni a yeri.

"Ba" as used in the above is the same source of the ones that we use as slang these days, or as idiomatic expression in "tie ba e" As such, ba as used in your kabiesi's post is for negative omen. If that is the root word for Yoruba, it shows how superficial our "ace historians" here are.

At what point did this slur become the magnificent phrase and next, so glorious for a conventional name or eponymous name with the Yoruba? So if we can think this superficial as to the origin of the origin of the name Yoruba, it is this same superficial minds that condemn the wise thought of others as crap.

Why was the slur the most magnificent of names for the people and,
How could Yoruba with repertoire of preciosity lose it at naming itself?

---

Some so called Yoruba on this section are are funny though, they are under the Aole spell, they will always slave under Fulani and Hausa conclusion on Yoruba. I am not a subject of the North, I have a mind of my own, so I don't look unto Fulani man or Hausa man for guidance.

2prexios:


Your conclusion is quite disappointing. Its not compulsory you believe the semito-hamitic theory before you are able to separate wheat from chaff. So the name Yoruba is from YoBa, then if you are the only Yoruba on this board, that's what you will establish as sane?

I think you guys are not after any facts or deep inquest, but after the migration story, and the reason is not far fetched. If the truth is told you will loose grip of the people and the covering of lies cast upon them.

Thank God for the Awori thread, there are families in Awori that does not believe in Ife or Oyo story. Yes, you have great empire, it is likely the foremost in Yorubaland in prehistoric times, but it does not make the people to come from you, they can not find their history and we are here to confuse them of their confusion or enlighten them about their records.

If we look outside Yoruba domain, its not out of foolishness, but on the available pointers,and if that is a sin, two wrongs don't make a right, you shouldn't be desperate to take any appearance of opposition to ours as the gospel truth, hello o.

Yo ba furo re or yoo ba iya re is as metaphisical put it, its insult, and vulgar. It means it will be ill with your a.ss or it will be ill with your mother. Iba is a form of sickness with the Yoruba, it is the root source of fever or ill-fate, as in

O de /ba/ Olugbon, o muu mora,
O de /ba/ Aresa, o muu mora,
O de /ba/ Owarangun aga, oun naa mu mora ni,
Kii Ba ni a yeri.

"Ba" as used in the above is the same source of the ones that we use as slang these days, or as idiomatic expression in "tie ba e" As such, ba as used in your kabiesi's post is for negative omen. If that is the root word for Yoruba, it shows how superficial our "ace historians" here are.

At what point did this slur become the magnificent phrase and next, so glorious for a conventional name or eponymous name with the Yoruba? So if we can think this superficial as to the origin of the origin of the name Yoruba, it is this same superficial minds that condemn the wise thought of others as crap.

Why was the slur the most magnificent of names for the people and,
How could Yoruba with repertoire of preciosity lose it at naming itself?

---

Some so called Yoruba on this section are are funny though, they are under the Aole spell, they will always slave under Fulani and Hausa conclusion on Yoruba. I am not a subject of the North, I have a mind of my own, so I don't look unto Fulani man or Hausa man for guidance.

itstpia100:
if you add a prefix or article to yoruba, you can also play around with the meaning.

eg, iyoruba, eyoruba, eyioruba, etc.

itstpia100:
you can provide those yourself if you want them.

Funjosh:
Getting Interesting day afta day.

blacko:
The origin of the name Yoruba is a very simple one first of all the yo was. Coined from oyo then ruba means people so Yoruba means people of the oyo empire the name was most probably coined by neighbors