Rilwayne001:


Pele



I'll either create another moniker and aaccept the condition or mail the mod to please allow me to accept it with my moniker, that is if i can't sleep without posting or opening thrreads here,
There are several other sections on Nairaland (about 20sections), why should I be obsessed and hold seun for restricting me of access to just only one.



If you notice me I stop opening thread on this section because of the restriction...

Seun is the owner of Nairaland and he is responsible for his decision. We all know what you guys do whenever you come to the Islamic Section, you visit the section to insult us by calling us names (terrorist, Bh, and all sort of names like that), some of your minions will even come to open thread that are offensive/provocative. If you guys stop at insulting us alone it would have been okay, but you would go ahead insulting those who we held in high esteem, you are not exempted, you do insult the prophet (saw) insult God almighty thinking you are insulting the name Allah. that alone is enough for me to support seun's decision..

Our threads dont make FP again, why? because of you people offensive words But with the restriction, everything is going on smoothly, is'nt it?





Must you comment on the islamic section
There are non-muslims that can comment on the section is'nt it?

mazaj accepted the condition, is he a muslim?
other non-muslim dat accepts the condition are they muslims?
Does dat make tthem a muslim?

It is only when you are obsessed with Islam, when you cant do without talking about islam that you will accept the condition. So why crying fowl all around.

Before you entered the IS you rread the instruction that "islam for muslims, even the mods are muslims"
So are you a muslim?
must you comment there?

If its a must then accept the condition...biko




Why don't you mail seun about it

Rilwayne001:


Too many posts on that thread!

Emusan:


Even though I have told you time again and again that Paul isn't the writer of Hebrew YET you never yield to it.
@Bold-Let's see whether the writer of Hebrew abuses Jesus of immaturity or you're the one displaying your ignorance.

"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God," Heb 6:1 (NIV)

A good English student can apply h/her knowledge here get what the verse is saying, this is the reason I quote NIV for you



I use to say it since Allah is a deceiver and Muhammad believe nothing wrong with lying then Muslims will never stop lying and the TRUE GOD hate lies.

You intentionally accused the writer talking about "WORKS OF LAW" when the NEXT verse provided details of what verse 1 means.
This is verse 1&2 together
"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
2. instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.(NIV)

Here the writer talked about:
1. Instruction about baptisms, who gave this instruction? Jesus! Matt 28:19-20
2. The laying on of hands (Baptisms of the Holy Spirit) even though Jesus didn't say it as laying hands, John 7:38-39
3. The resurrection of the dead, did Jesus teach anything like it? YES! Matthew 22:31-32, Mark 12:25-26, Luke 20:35-38, John 5:21-25.
The four Gospels record Jesus teaching the resurrection of the dead, does the writer accuse Jesus? Not only that Jesus teaches resurrection of the dead but Jesus also demonstrated it by raising people from dead.
4. and eternal judgement, who teaches this? Jesus Christ! John 3:18



Do they fulfil law or obey law?

I only show you how you misinform your audience in that book of Hebrew you quoted above NOT to talk about the teaching of Apostle Paul on SALVATION THROUGH FAITH.

Paul never slander Law BUT teaches SALVATION BY FAITH, hope you can see the difference?

I [size=20pt] use to say it [/size] [s] since Allah is a deceiver and Muhammad believe nothing wrong with lying [/s]

Emusan:


Don't let that one derail this thread your respond says it all.

malvisguy212:
all the post i made was saying the samething, just face it, you have know answer.

malvisguy212:
"But it happened that as I was on my way, approaching Damascus
about noontime, a very bright light suddenly flashed from heaven all
around me, and I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me,
'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?' "And I answered, 'Who are
You, Lord?' And He said to me, 'I am Jesus the Nazarene, whom you are
persecuting.' "(Acts 22:6-
This is Paul's account of his encounter with the risen Jesus Christ. Paul said that it was through this event that he stopped persecuting
Christianity, becoming its greatest proponent and evangelist.

Many skeptics assert that Paul of Tarsus (the apostle Paul) hijacked the
early Christian religion, changing the theology from what Jesus
originally taught. Usually offered as proof for this claim are the
doctrines found in Paul's great theological work, his letter to the
Romans. Without a doubt, the book of Romans contains the most
complete exposition of orthodox Christian doctrines. Are these doctrines contrary to what Jesus taught? Do they conflict with the
teachings of the Old Testament from which they were purportedly
derived? If Paul really "invented" Christianity, then one would expect
that his teachings would be different from Jesus, the other apostles,
and disciples.
Paul of Tarsus met Jesus on a trip to persecute
Christians in Damascus. Struck blind for three days, Paul waited for
Ananias (one of Jesus' followers) to heal him. Converted by the
experience, Paul passionately proclaimed the gospel to the Jewish and
Gentile world. This gospel included doctrines including the atonement
of sin through Jesus' death on the cross and justification through faith. Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, indicated that he received this gospel
by revelation of Jesus Christ:
" For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it
from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation
of JESUS CHRIST." (Galatians 1:11-12).If it were true that Paul received his teaching directly from Jesus Christ,
then surely Jesus Himself would have taught what Paul was preaching.

PAUL'S TEACHING OF THE GOSPEL:

The basis of the gospel is the belief that Jesus died for the sins of
mankind. Jesus clearly indicated that His purpose was to come to die on a cross for the sins of the world. This concept was not a new one, since Isaiah first prophesied that the Messiah would die for our sins. Paul, of course taught this doctrine, as did John, Luke, and Peter. Other crucial doctrines taught by Paul were also taught by Jesus and
the disciples:
1.Belief in Jesus for eternal life
2 Righteousness by faith
3 Justification by faith
4 Forgiveness of sin through faith Repentance

FOR A LIST OF VERSEES, SEE THE TABLE BELOW.
Were Paul's Doctrines Taught by Jesus?

DOCTRINE
FIRST TAUGHT
VERSE
TAUGHT BY JESUS
PAUL OTHERS
Atonement by death on cross
Isaiah
Isaiah 53:5-12
Matthew 10:38, 16:24, 26:28, Mark 8:34, 14:24, Luke 9:23, 14:27, 22:20, John 12:32-33
1 Corinthians 1:18, 11:25, Ephesians 2:8, 16, Colossians 1:20, 2:14 John 1:29, 36, Acts 8:32, 1 Peter 1:18-19, 2:24, Revelation 5:12-14, 7:14

Believe in Jesus for eternal life
Job
Job 19:25-26
Matthew 19:29, Mark 10:29-30, Luke 9:24, John 3:16
Romans 5:21, 6:23, 1 Timothy 1:16, Jude 1:21
Acts 11:17-18, 1 John 5:11
Righteousness by faith
Moses, Habakkuk
Genesis 15:6, Habakkuk 2:4
Mark 11:22, Luke 7:50
Romans 1:17, 3:22, 3:25-26, 4:3, 9, 11, 13, 5:17, 9:30, 10:4, 10,
Galatians 3:6, 11, Philippians 3:9
Hebrews 11:4, 7, 2 Peter 1:1
Justification by faith
Moses
Genesis 15:6, Isaiah 53:11
Luke 7:50, 8:12 Mark 16:16, John 3:18, 5:24
Romans 3:28, 30, 5:1, 18, Galatians 2:16, 3:8, 24
James 2:23
Forgiveness of sin through faith
David
2 Chronicles 7:14, Psalm 86:5, Jeremiah 31:33-34
Matthew 9:2, 6, 26:27-28, Mark 2:5, 10-11, Luke 5:20, 24,
Acts 26:18, Ephesians 1:7, 4:32, Colossians 1:13-14, 2:13, 3:13
Luke 1:76-77, Acts 2:38, 5:31, 10:43, 13:38, Hebrews 10:18-20, James 5:15, 1 John 1:7-9, 2:12
Repentance
Isaiah
Isaiah 1:27, 30:15, Ezekiel 18:32
Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Luke 5:32, 13:3, 24:46-47
Romans 2:4, 2 Corinthians 7:9-10
Matthew 3:2, Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 17:30, 20:21, 2 Peter 3:9

Other Teachings.
Besides the core doctrines of Christianity, Paul taught on many other
theological topics, also taught by Jesus. Below is a list of some of these
teachings (found in the gospels) compared to what Paul taught in his
letters to the churches.

Was Paul Aware of Jesus' Teachings? Teaching Paul Jesus Parable of sower 1 Corinthians 3:6-10
Matthew 13:1-23 Stumbling stone Romans 9:33
Matthew 18:7 Ruling against divorce 1 Corinthians 7:10
Mark 10:11 Support for apostles 1 Corinthians 9:14
Luke 10:7 Institution of Lord's supper 1 Corinthians 11:23-26
Matthew 26:26-28 Command concerning prophets 1 Corinthians 14:37
Matthew 23:34 Lord's return 1 Thessalonians 4:15
Matthew 24:1-51 Blessing of the persecuted Romans 12:14
Luke 6:27 Don't repay evil with evil Romans 12:17 and 1 Thessalonians 5:15 Matthew 5:38-48, Luke 6:27 Pay taxes to authorities Romans 13:7
Mark 12:12-17 No stumbling block Romans 14:13
Mark 9:42 Nothing is unclean Romans 14:14
Mark 7:15 Thief in the night 1 Thessalonians 5:2
Luke 12:39 Peace among yourselves 1 Thessalonians 5:13
Mark 9:50 Peace with everyone Romans 12:18
Mark 9:50 Do not judge Romans 13:10
Luke 6:37

Conclusion:
The idea that Paul invented Christianity out of some theological
vacuum is completely without merit. Although Paul's Letter to the
Romans is radically different from just about any other book of the
Bible, the teachings found in the Book of Romans is also found in the
Old Testament, the teachings of Jesus, and the teachings of the
disciples. So, Paul didn't just make up doctrines to create a new religion. However, he did write the greatest theological treatise of all
time in the Book of Romans. Not only are the core doctrines of
Christianity found outside Paul's writings, but Paul himself taught
many other theological issues that reflect the teachings of Jesus during
His years of ministry. Contrary to the claims of some, Paul did not just
write about some "cosmic Jesus," but described Jesus as a real man who lived and died on planet earth. In conclusion, Paul of Tarsus did
not invent Christianity, but clarified the teachings of the Bible as no
other Bible author ever has. In addition to his great theological
writings, Paul was Christianity's greatest evangelist.

gatiano:
he invented the idea that Jesus is GOD and he rose from dead, and that GOD is a spirit.

malvisguy212:
you dont even understand what you are saying, in romans3,paul was reffering to the jews,he use himself as an example.
Romans 3
God’s Faithfulness
3 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God. 3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”[a] 5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on
us? (I am using a human argument.) 6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why
am I still condemned as a sinner ?”

Abdulsalam20:


I should have respond toall this trash but am kinda busy i wil try to make it brief


@ bolded one it has prove him tobe a liar jesus command circumcision and even jesus was circumcised but he condermn it that is spirit of antichrist man!

@ bolded two he clearly say that he is a liar


and moreover you didnt adress the remaining post


HE ACEPT ROBING CHURCHES ROBING ANOTHER
3. And he admits to the church of Corinth: " I
robbed other churches ... to do you
service" (2 Cor. 11. .


HE ADMIT TO BE A CAMELION
2. "I made myself servant unto all,
that I might gain the more. And
unto the Jews I became as a Jew,
that I might gain the Jews; to them
that are under the law, as under
the law, that I might gain them that
are under the law; To them that are
without law, as without law, that I
might gain them that are without
law. ... I am made all things to all
men , that I might by all means
save some. And this I do for the
gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23).


see yoiur life jessus says go not into the way of the gentiles

Abdulsalam20:
malvis think
paul is an anticrist

look at how paul teachng contradict jesus teachng
(1 ) Jesus says we should beware of the doctrine of the
Pharisees (Lk 12:1 );

but Paul proclaimed himself a
Pharisee even as a Christian (Acts 23:6 ) .

THIS IS MADNESS

(2 ) Jesus warns that not everyone who calls him Lord will
enter the kingdom of heaven ( Mt 7 :21);

but Paul says
everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be
saved (Rm 10:13) .


(3 ) Jesus asks men to preach the gospel ( Mt 28 :18-19);
but Paul says he did not receive his own gospel from men
(Gal 1: 11-12) .


4 (4 ) Jesus himself was circumcised ( Lk 2 :21 ); but Paul
says if we are circumcised we would be estranged from
Christ (Gal 5 :2 -4) . SEE YOUR LIFE


(5 ) Jesus says children of God are born spiritually (Jn
3: 3);
but Paul says children of God are adopted ( Rm 8 :15 ) .


(6 ) Jesus says God must be the only father of believers ( Mt
23:9 );

but Paul proclaims himself the father of some
believers (Phile 1: 10; 1 Cor 4: 15) .AND THAT IS THE FOOLS LIKE YOU THIS CHRISTIANS


(7 ) Jesus says there is only one pastor and he is the one
(Jn 10:16); but Paul says there are many pastors ( Eph
4: 11) .

(9 ) Jesus says we should pray in private and not on
street-corners ( Mt 6 :5 -6 ); but Paul says we should pray
everywhere ( 1 Tim 2 :8 ) .


[b]THIS ONE IS FUNNY
(10) Jesus says we should not eat food sacrificed to idols
(Rev 2 :14);
but Paul says it does not matter if we eat food
sacrificed to idols ( 1 Cor 8 :8 ; Rm 14:14) .

(11) Jesus says we should not receive payment for
preaching the gospel (Mt 10:8 ); but Paul says we should
receive payment for preaching the gospel (1 Cor 9: 11) .

(12) Jesus warns us to beware of thieves and robbers
masquerading as pastors (Jn 10:1 /8 ); but Paul admits to
robbing churches in the name of receiving wages from
them ( 2 Cor 11: .WHY WONT HE ADMIT WHEN HE IS ONE OF THEM

.
(13) Jesus asks us to baptise as we preach the gospel (Mt
28:19); but Paul dismisses the importance of baptism (1
Cor 1 :17) .


(14) Jesus says in preaching the gospel we should build
on other men 's foundations (Jn 4: 38); but Paul says he is
determined not to build on other men 's foundations ( Rm
15:20) .


(15) Jesus says we should not swear or curse (Mt
5: 34-37); but Paul swears and curses (2 Cor 1 :23; Gal
1: 9) .


(16) Jesus is against the use of deception ( Jn 1 :47 ); but
Paul boasts of using deception ( 2 Cor 12:16 ) .


(17) Jesus says we should disregard public opinion (Lk
6: 26; Jn 15:18-19); but Paul actively courts public opinion
(1 Cor 10:33; 1 Cor 9 :20-22) .


(18) Jesus says God is not the God of the dead ( Lk 20: 38);
but Paul says God is the God of the dead ( Rm 14 :9 ) .


(19) Jesus says believers will never die (Jn 11:26); but
Paul says believers died with Christ ( Rm 6 :8 ) .


(20) Jesus says he was a ransom for only some people
(Mt 20:28); but Paul says Jesus was a ransom for
everybody ( 1 Tim 2 :6 ) .


(21) Jesus says some men are righteous (Mt 13:17; Mt
23:35); but Paul says no one is righteous ( Rm 3 :10) .
more here

plaetton:

Complete baloney.
You seem to have your own little version of Christianity where you twist everything as it suits you.

Paul's reference to Apollo watering a plant that God helps to grow puts Apollo as virtuous character that helps god.

The important thing here is that Paul believed in Apollo, in the same way that he believed that he saw Jesus.

So, its either of two things:
1. Either Paul was truly divinely inspired, in which case the god Apollo is also real and should be worshipped by the followers of Pauline doctrine.
Or,
2. Paul was a delusional character and conman who also believed in the mythologies and superstitions of his era, including the superstitions of Apollo and it's striking similarities with the myths of Jesus.

Did you know that Apollo was of a virgin birth too, and that he was called the saviour of mankind ?

Do you know that portraits and statutes of Mary suckling her young child Jesus were originally based on those of the goddess Venus suckling her infant Apollo?

Now I clearly see where Paul is coming.
Paul used his cunning to smuggle the pagan worship of Apollo into the budding Christian movement in 2 and century Palestine.

I have maintained that what Paul, Constantine and early Roman church father's successfully did was to surreptitiously paganize Christianity by hiding paganism inside the false flag of Christian doctrines.

Paganism survives and strives today thanks to Paul, constsntine and other Roman figures.

The largest pagan movement in the world is called the church.

Thank you Paul.

Rilwayne001:
Emusan
Can you now see the reason why you are banned forever from the Islam Section?

You can't do without insulting those who we held in high esteem.

Are you this stwpid

After all those lies of the bible God

Its high time i stop conversating with you since you lack courtesy
Fvcktard

malvisguy212:
the death and ressurection of jesus was not only thought by paul,it was prophecise in the old testement.

This the prophecy of isaiah concerning jesus being the spirit of God.

Isaiah 61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to
bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the
opening of the prison to them that are bound;

and this is the fullfilment of the prophecy

Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,

paul was not the first person that mention it.

malvisguy212:
learn how to read and understand, there was a question mark."of what value is there in circumcision? (question mark) the people take circumcision as important to salvation,so paul ask them,what is the value? Infact paul encourage timothy to be circumcised.Paul did not condemn circumcision in itself. Neither by word
nor deed did he ever inveigh against circumcision. But he did
protest against circumcision being made a condition for
salvation. He cited the case of the Fathers. "The fathers were
not justified by circumcision. It was to them a sign and seal of
righteousness. They looked upon circumcision as a confession of their faith."

Abdulsalam20:



i now see you havent even read complete bible and understand it
pls read GALATIAN 5:2-4

Paul
says if we are circumcised we would be estranged from
Christ (Gal 5 :2 -4) . SEE YOUR LIFE


2.
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let
yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to
you at all.
3.Again I declare to every man who lets
himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the
whole law.
4.You who are trying to be justified by the
law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen
away from grace.



u make me laugh man like i have always said read your bible very well and you will know the truth

the man is an antichrist

malvisguy212:
this will be my last reply to you,paul did not abandon circumcision,the jew thought circumcision is a way of salvation
◄ Acts 15:1 ►
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching
the believers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom
taught by Moses, you cannot be saved."
◄ Galatians 4:10 ►
You are trying to earn favor with God by observing certain days or
months or seasons or years.


But when paul preaches salvation in christ jesus,they accused him he abandon circumcision,even when he did not abandon it.


◄ Galatians 5:11 ►
Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still
being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been
abolished.

Abdulsalam20:
Was the Person on the Cross Really Jesus?
The Bible says


“For the LORD loves the just and will not
forsake his faithful ones. They will be
protected forever, but the offspring of the
wicked will be cut off;” (Psalms 37:28)


But yet when Jesus Christ (pbuh) was put
on
the cross according to the Bible. He cried
out
“About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a
loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?"—
which means, "My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?" (Mathew 27:46)
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a
loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—
which means, "My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)

the question is


How can Jesus be forsaken when God
does
not forsake his faithful ones?? Now the
Christians have four options to choose
from.
1. The person put on the cross was
not really Jesus.
2. Jesus (pbuh) was not faithful to God.
3. Jesus (pbuh) is a lied that God forsook
him.
4. Bible is lying when it says that God
does not forsake his beloved ones.
You have four options to choose from.
Now
with whatever gymnastics you try. You
cannot add a fifth option here. So decide
for
yourself.

yazach:

Chai where are you christians to defend this. This man you dey catch them wella. There is God oooooo
Don't worry I will make this one a topic and your name will be mentioned.

yazach:

Chai where are you christians to defend this. This man you dey catch them wella. There is God oooooo
Don't worry I will make this one a topic and your name will be mentioned.

Abdulsalam20:
Was the Person on the Cross Really Jesus?
The Bible says


“For the LORD loves the just and will not
forsake his faithful ones. They will be
protected forever, but the offspring of the
wicked will be cut off;” (Psalms 37:28)


But yet when Jesus Christ (pbuh) was put
on
the cross according to the Bible. He cried
out
“About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a
loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?"—
which means, "My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?" (Mathew 27:46)
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a
loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—
which means, "My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)

the question is


How can Jesus be forsaken when God
does
not forsake his faithful ones?? Now the
Christians have four options to choose
from.
1. The person put on the cross was
not really Jesus.
2. Jesus (pbuh) was not faithful to God.
3. Jesus (pbuh) is a lied that God forsook
him.
4. Bible is lying when it says that God
does not forsake his beloved ones.
You have four options to choose from.
Now
with whatever gymnastics you try. You
cannot add a fifth option here. So decide
for
yourself.

JMAN05:

What is "pbuh"?

Emusan:


It means "Peace Be Upon Him"

The exert blessing they always cast upon Muhammad because Muhammad didn't sure about his salvation so Muslims must pray blessing for him.

I pray your hatred for our Prophet(peace and blessing be on him) will not lead you to hell. We are to seek blessings for all prophets including Jesus whenever their name is mentioned

I wonder why people on earth we be praying PEACE for the person supposedly to be in heaven where God's peace forever abound.

You will keep on wondering but I will bail you out a bit so that you will not die wondering.

You said those believe in Christ will leave in eternal peace, Did you ever pray for dead ones in your family e.g may his/her soul rest in perfect peace, why would you do that? Are you still doubting them resting in peace when they died as christians?

yazach:
YOUR POST IS EMPTY

Emusan:


If you don't know how to use NL tell people so that they can teach you.

Modify your post by separating YOUR POST from MINE by using quote symbols […]

e.g

yazach:

Mr Emusan!!! You always dodge questions when you are caught red handed. Instead of you to say you don't know, you started twisting the question so that you can run away but not this time

Just answer the question

Emusan:


How many of your questions have I dodged? For you to say I always dodge questions.

Olodo!!! How can I answer your MIXED UP post when you failed to follow the pattern I always used in replying to your post?

For the last time SEPARATE MY STATEMENTS from YOURS so that when I click QUOTE only your statements will appear. OK!

yazach:

I have never read your comment without dodging the content of the topic. you either change it to abusing the OP or those the OP hold in high esteem

If you say Olodo, did you know the definition?

You alone did not understand the question is that not funny?

For the last time answer the question or tell us you don't know