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hammerT:
Anybody can update and semi lock wikipedia, it is not prove of anything.

They still not even sure if her mother is Zulu or not, so be careful.

hammerT:
have u seen any kid?

idahme:
There is nothing to defend, Social media is not the court, if you have grievances go to the court and bring a suit against her. She should not reply anyone, she has left the stage so be it let her leave the xenoPeople and do her things.

Someone who is born in South Africa, given south African citizenship is who those xenoPeople are Messing with, sh has same rights like any other citizen of South Africa. If I was her I wouldn't withdraw let's see what will happen,

hammerT:
Not everything they say is true.

luminouz:
Lol...you know nothing.

SlavaUkraini:
Ogogoro nor be Vodka indeed...

Hand don finally touch some of the Bastards wey dey poison Nigerians.

Magnoliaa:
1Sharon, this is also Julius Malema defending Chidinma's citizenship.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMrGpPHgq/

She was BORN in South Africa and has lived there all her life. For 23 years.


She has every right to choose to partake in the pageantry.

The hate train on her started WAYYYYYY before her parents were implicated in anything.

The MissSA organisation vouched for her, too:

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/local-celebs/chidimma-vanessa-adetshina-nigerian-igbo-south-african-citizen-miss-sa-latest-news/

Sirmwill:
"Pesin wey don blind don blind"
-A Great Akara Seller

Magnoliaa:
You're barely scratching the surface of all I've been saying. 🤣🤣🤣


I'm arguing blindly, but you just "bowed out" now claiming you'll let me know when you have more update on her family name?

So have you been arguing blindly? You did not have all the details of the matter?


You did not even touch the Xenophobic attacks the young woman has been subjected to, all because she has a different name.
Did you know that the organizers of the pageantry themselves vouched for Chidinma's citizenship? Nope.


Abegggggg...

Magnoliaa:
I'm pressed because I responded to a comment she dragged me into?

I'm pressed because she quoted my response to someone else and I addressed her?

Technically, it's a free forum with "free speech" but you two came into my mentions first, and you can decide to leave.

Because I didn't even insult you. I said something is not true just because you said so, and you have failed to show me where/how Chidinma's father committed a crime.

Which name did her father steal?


Anyway, my grouse in the whole matter is the needlessly xenophobic attacks Chidinma has been subjected to. You cannot police me on what I chose to react to.

Magnoliaa:
You've met every Itshekiri alive? 🤣🤣

Nah, I want to believe you're just trying to save face at this point.



Yep. Because you've met every Itshekiri alive. It is not possible for someone with that name to exist outside of your knowledge.



Because every (unique) (African) name in this world can be found on Google. Is it uncommon, yes? Uncommon that it doesn't exist at all, and nobody else bears it? Not likely. I would take a linguistic professor's words over yours.



Sighssssssssssssssss. This is frustrating. YOU are frustrating!!!!!!!

Adetshina is her father's name!

The Igbo name, WHICH YOU'RE CLAIMING IS THE REAL NAME, is an alias!!!!

For God's sake. Damn!



No. You're the only one doing that, and I'm sure it's clear to everyone.

Show me the name Chidinma's father stole, and where he was implicated in identity theft.



2+2 = Edika ikong.

Do you know what dual citizenship means? Chidinma is half-Nigerian, half-SA. She was born and raised in SA, and decided to partake in MissSA the same way Alli was born and raised in England and decided to play for English. The Nigerians who dragged Dele Alli are similar to the South Africans who dragged Chidinma.

Did the English reject Dele Alli THE SAME WAY the South Africans rejected Chidinma? Please, try. I know this should not be logically hard for you to connect.



What are we saying, what are you saying? 😂😂


So tell me, why was Chidinma forced out when she was a South African, when their laws conferred citizenship status on anyone born in South Africa and has lived there for about five years?

Magnoliaa:
🤦🤦🤦🤦
Who said Chidinma isn't Nigerian here?

It is South Africans claiming she's Nigerian and not one of them. Chidinma is both Nigerian and South African (With Yoruba/Itshekiri-Igbo and Mozambican roots).



Chai.

I was on my own jeje, on another thread. The person I was even quoting sef is not answering me again. Lioness brought me from that thread to here, and tagged my moniker to your comment. I responded to her.

Do you even know what this conversation is about? Who tf is saying Chidinma should stay in a place where she's not wanted?


Mtcheeeeewwwwwww.

Magnoliaa:
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I cannot laugh. I honestly can't- 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭.
You should direct this question to your creator, first of all.

Where? Where in the article is it stated that he's bearing a name that isn't his?

You, you're dragging her father, Lionessza6 and her cohorts are dragging her mother. Una nor go like decide on who is the identity thief here?

Where in the screenshots below did it say that Chidinma's father is bearing a name that isn't his? AKA? Is that all your evidence and basis for claiming that the man stole a name? The article said his name is Michael Adetshina aka Onye Something Something. How DO YOU KNOW THAT HE STOLE THE NAME? Where is your proof that the name doesn't belong to him?

You are the one who should rub two brain cells together and stopping sounding ignorant, clutching at straws. I never said it was a Yoruba name for sure, or that it was a variation of anything. I only said all that to show you that it was a possibility. A possibility that existing evidence highly supports! Infact, after a little personal research on my own, I am more convinced that is a Yoruboid Itshekiri name. If Oritsefemi (and Omawunmi) exists, then Adetshina (and Omowunmi, in this case) should not be unbelievable! There is nothing about "sounding and talking like a duck here," when it comes to matter of race and heritage (see third and fourth screenshot below). Kamala Harris alone is African-American and Indian, and even possibly has Carribean roots. What ethnicity "duck" are you going to day she sounds like? Even if rare, why exactly do you not think it is possible for her father's parents' parents to have "migrated" to Enugu in the past, grew up there, and Michael in turn met a Mozambican-South African, giving birth to a baby with a rich, diverse cultural background? Is it out of the realms of possibility? You think anyone whose state of origin is Igbo must definitely be an Igbo? Minorities suddenly do not exist anymore?

The Igbo name was introduced as "AKA." Also known as. Do YOU know for a fact how the name came about? Do you know if it's something friends playfully call him? I mean, you know what an alias means right. It is not necessarily an original name.



Now you're adding a clause. You DID NOT mention positive acclaims as a basis of Nigerians' support. You initially said we do not accept any 'foreigners' as our own. Point blank. You asked if we would accept something like that, to be represented by someone of mixed background and whatnot, and I gave you examples, showing you exactly Nigerians of mixed backgrounds whom we support. Either by birth or naturalisation.



Sighs. Was this because of Xenophobia? Was this because Nigerians hate the English?

These are not even remotely the same. That false equivalence you mentioned is what you've done here. IF Alli HAD wanted to play for Nigerians and Nigerians said no, we do not want someone with ties to England to represent us, they you have a ground for comparison. Chidinma DID NOT refuse to represent SA, the way Alli decided not represent Nigeria, and neither did she badmouth SA.

Infact, you can argue that Alli chose not to represent Nigeria because he felt that Nigeria had little chances and career opportunities to offer him. You could say that he felt more loyalty to England, cherishing the English culture and life he has grown to love, above Nigerian's.

My point was that Nigerians would usually support anyone who choses to represent Nigeria. Was Nigeria competing with SA in this competition? 😂

It was a national event inside the country. Nobody knew Chidinma before this. And so she had no reason to pick between Nigeria and SA initially, because Nigeria was not in the picture. She was not brought up here. She did not 'reject' Nigeria to chose South Africa like Dele did Nigeria to chose England ?? ?? ??



And Chidinma was born and raised in South Africa, hence her deciding to compete at the pageant? You're not keeping track of your own argument o.


?? ??

Sorry, I don't understand what you're driving at.

Have you stopped being a Nigerian because Boko Haram exists?

I don't understand what your last line is about.

Anyways, these are the screenshots about Chidinma's father's name, and its likely origin. You can see the last one clearly shows that Itsekiris can be found in Southern Nigeria.

If a group of rebels were genociding South africans, would you count Chidinma as South African? Or would yall tell her to dust off her nigerian heritage disowned for some recognition

Gbadugbakun:
Fake news.

Magnoliaa:
Yeah? They're Nigerians just as Chidinma is a South African. They are all of a mixed heritage.



You realise they these people started hating on Chidinma from the very moment that the MissSA account on Twitter posted her amongst the top 16 finalists?


And she stayed on to be a top 9 finalists until she was forced to pull out.

They even started a petition, on July 24 (when she was among top 13) to have her withdrawn from the competition. The crime allegations were only made against her/her mother on August 7, so I am sorry if I am ready to willingly swallow up shit about her? Possibly as a witch-hunt? INSPITE of the organisation vouching for her. MissSA vouched for her identity, and said that all her credentials has been vetted. It is either both organisations are corrupt, or one of them is, which is a reflection of their institutional ethics.

Mrfeel:
Adetshina not adeshina, she's using her mother's surname, her father is onwe

givedemwotowoto:
I have read it, all of it. Have you read it yourself? Where did the name Adetshina come from?

Calm down with the speculations

Magnoliaa:
These are all people who are Nigerians and represent Nigeria in various areas, from music to literature to comedy and traditional religion.


Interestingly, they are all Yorubas. 😂😂



This is the progressive culture that Tinubu and his bat legion are trying to turn to a primitive laughing stock 😭.

Olorun o ni fun yin se 😒.

Magnoliaa:
Okay. So, I went through the article you shared, in good faith, and was prepared to genuinely apologize if I see anything contrary to the stance I've been maintaining, but, pffft.

I must have come back to an alternate reality after my ban because it seems as if words don't mean anything anymore or people cannot suddenly engage in critical thinking again. Or it's just me??

I went through the article you posted with an open mind, hoping I'll see where it pronounced her father a criminal, but no. Zilch. Nada. Ko si nkankan nbe. WHERE IS THE IDENTITY FRAUD HER FATHER COMMITTED? FUÇKING WHERE?? ?? ?? ??


The Adetshina name?? ?? ?? ?? ?? Why did your mind go to a crime, instead of the beauty of language? Or a cross-cultural influence, or even a personal stylistic?

I have a friend I met online who's name is Boyowa. All my life, all I know is Bayowa, and I was pleasantly curious at that. He's from the South South. There is also Adesuwa/Adesua in Edo, and Adesewa in Yoruba. Will you call Adesua Etomi a fraud and a fake Yoruba? There are other name variations like that that I cannot recall, but these are legitly because of cultures transferring. Yemaja, Yemanjá, Yemoyá, Yemayá are all Carribean variations of the Yoruba word for mermaids, and I DIDN'T know these before. So because I have never heard of Adetshina before, then it must certainly be a case of identity theft? When variation of surnames and phrases even exist between Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa dialects here in our own backyard!

Adetshina makes sense to me the same way Oritsefemi makes sense to me!!!!!!! I am NOT a linguistic authority, for me to outrightly slam the name as nonsense, but I DO have a lot of inferential evidence to believe it's not nonsense.

An open-minded person will not just jump to calling something they do not understand or have never heard before a fake or a lie! You can say that after you've weighed the (etymological) evidence on ground, maybe spoken to a linguistic professor, and THEN make your judgement. But clearly, you've not done that if all you're going by is an article, which actually puts Chidimma and her family in a glowing light than most others have done. The man may be from Enugu, but you know nothing more about his lineage/cultural makeup.

I did not even know about Lydia Balogun. I barely recognise her when she was Timini's girlfriend. Did Lydia become a cross-national discussion like this one has? Was Lydia forced to drop out of the Miss Exquisite Queen competition (which she later won by the way)?

https://leadership.ng/lydia-balogun-wins-exquisite-queen-nigeria-pageant/



Go out there on Nigeria streets and ask people to name one beauty pageant queen, and all they'll know is Agbani Darego. Some will know Bianca Ojukwu and others will know this girl who's baby mama to Flavour (I don't remember her name), but WHO will tell you Lydia Balogun? That's to show you that the people who dragged her are insignificant and most Nigerians do not give a shit.

You do not see how Nigerians appreciate Sade Adu and Aduke Gomez as cultural icons? So what are we talking about here? Nengi is also biracial and widely loved, even came second in BBN 5. If she decided to run for Miss Nigeria today, you think Nigerians will push her out? So, again, what are we really on about here? Was there not a time where men/Nigerians were pushing for Nwanyi Ocha, a Swiss woman married to an Igbo man, to be made minister of tourism because "she appreciates our culture?" There is Tiago Ishola of the Alaafin's palace; there was Suzanne Wenger of the Osun-Oshogbo festival (as a priestess).


So no, Nigerians are not always against foreigners representing us in any right, so long as they are legal citizens/versed in the local cultures.

givedemwotowoto:
I see his father is Nigerian of Igbo descent.

The next question is, where is the name "Adetshina" from? Don't speculate if you don't have evidence.

givedemwotowoto:
There's too much speculation. calm down people.

GreatVocalist:
Lol yeah, that's a possibility but we can't conclusively say that's the case here. She could have been misled, as I opined in my previous comment. I think this needs to be thoroughly investigated.

PureFace1:
Well i won't make any judgment for now till all the investigation come out

PureFace1:
Who told you that the name is Fake ? although his name "Adetshina" wasn't properly spelled, it could be for various reasons. It could be document error it sometimes happen, i mean a situation where someone erroneously misspelled your name on a document and you couldn't change it back and decided to go along with it.

The father could also be one of those half caste Yoruba or Igbo, with Igbo and Yoruba parents, so many possibilities. You have no reason to make any conclusion regarding the matter until you have all the evidence after investigation.

Using Yoruba name when you are not one, it's an Identity theft. If she had gone to rob or kill someone now, Igbos will be the first to shout "she's Yoruba" knowing well that she stole the name igbos are all over Malaysia's prisons using Yoruba names after they have destroyed their own names and known world wide as drug mules and criminals.