OgidiBoy:

I totally agree with you, I just came back from Nigeria a few day ago and the rate at which that country is developing amazes me. Right now I have my family members looking at different business's I can invest in, I'm so sick of living in the States. A record number of Nigerian went home from Dallas this year so it's starting to look like Nigeria is not as bad as some people will make it.

I seriously envy so many people in Nigeria  take my little sister that just went back to Nigeria last year, now she works in a freaking bank, drives a new car she paid cash for, has two maids, a driver, lives in a 3 bedroom flat, with a gate man. Tell me how many people in America can enjoy that kind of luxury.

I certainly agree with you on that. My take is that Nigeria is an up and coming country, and it's left for us who live abroad to garner as much experiences as we have here and contribute it back home. For me, I am not interested in lavish living, as long as I am comfortable, and can offer something back to the community, I am fine with it. Life was great in Nigeria for me, you don't need a lot of money to be happy.

Guys you have really done a great job here. I guess pple will now consider and reconsider in travelling abroad. I have a friend studying there, he claims things are getting worst min by sec. But I beleive the ultimate thing is to ask God for Guidance. He will surely show you the way and wud have made preparations for you, Why some may be finding it hard, you will surely find it easy, according to His Grace.

Ndipe:

I certainly agree with you on that. My take is that Nigeria is an up and coming country, and it's left for us who live abroad to garner as much experiences as we have here and contribute it back home. For me, I am not interested in lavish living, as long as I am comfortable, and can offer something back to the community, I am fine with it. Life was great in Nigeria for me, you don't need a lot of money to be happy.

My brother you talk true. I still think a lot of Nigerians back home are not being honest to us living abroad. A Nigerian man especially Igbos which I am can have 2 billion Naira in his account with 2 or more houses be crying that he has no money and his kids are starving. I was in Enugu and Onitha just this December, come and see mansions people are building everywhere, talk less of cars. I mean brand new cars from the factory.

OgidiBoy:

My brother you talk true. I still think a lot of Nigerians back home are not being honest to us living abroad. A Nigerian man especially Igbos which I am can have 2 billion Naira in his account with 2 or more houses be crying that he has no money and his kids are starving. I was in Enugu and Onitha just this December, come and see mansions people are building everywhere, talk less of cars. I mean brand new cars from the factory.

Living abroad has been so overhyped and is seen as living in Utopia. That's far from the truth. I think people are beginning to realize the truth about living abroad. I think my services would be more beneficial/needed back home than abroad.

@wumiabo

I'm sure you know who it is responding to your post

You have made good points which people should consider before relocating out of the country but as someone rightly pointed out, it will depend on the individual and his/her dreams, visions and goals.
I draw a comparison from Ireland where I live, it is widely known that there are more Irish people living outside of the state than inside it and this is because they experienced something similar to what we are going thru in Nigeria in the past but they have since recovered and there was a time some of the Irish in the diaspora came back home when the economy of Ireland improved.
Leaving Nigeria does not in anyway guarantee improvement in someone's life both in the now as well as in the future, like any decision taken by any person, it has its advantages and disadvantages and my problem with your post is the fact that you have pointed out only the disadvantages. It is up to each individual to weigh the two sides of the coin and make a decision which is all too often one they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
I cannot write everything I want to put down in this post but maybe we can start up a thread on what the advantages and disadvantages are for relocating to a different country.
As to the heading of your post, this is the advice I have to give to anyone considering relocating abroad.

1. Have your immigration/residency path well laid out, you might want to familliarise yourself with various visa types and work restrictions attached to the various visa types.

2. Determine why and for how long you are relocating, is it for a while or is it a semi-permanent move?

3. Get to know more about where you are relocating to, particularly with regards to recent trends/changes in immigration policies in the country. Also find out the various routes people are taking towards residency. The primary routes I know of are:

a. Through various talent/skill needs (Medical Doctors, Psychiatrits, Nurses, IT professionals e.t.c.),

b.  Education (most countries have some sort of routes to retain those who have schooled and trained to high levels within their educational system such as Green Card in Ireland, Tier 1 in the UK e.t.c.);

c. Marriage to a national is another very popular route (you might want to be a bit careful with this as it is often murky). This is recently coming under a lot of scrutiny in most countries as the rate of abuse is causin a lot of concern in most countries.

4. Realise that you've got to be very flexible and smart, the path to your goal might not be as straight as it would have been back home and foreign countries are definitely no paradise. I have known people who started out as carers when they came to Ireland (carrying people's shit in hospitals) but are today in specialist trainings as Medical Consultants (who are assured of 6 figure salaries on completion of their training).

5. Be aware that there is a possibility of glass ceilings existing in your profession i.e. some posts are protected in favour of nationals of your country of residence and I do wonder why some people find this shocking when they relocate as I'm sure it is much worse back home where there are companies where there is a limit to what level of promotion an Hausa, Ibo or yoruba person can reasonably expect to not go beyond. What most people do, when they reach these limits is to further expand their horizons (e.g. Nigerian psychiatrists in Ireland are variously moving to Canada, Australia and New Zealand when it became apparent that the few specialist posts in psychiatry were being protected for Irish and European nationals)

6. Don't ever close the door on coming back to your country and try as much as possible to align your development in your new country of residence to your peer's development back home in Nigeria it helps whether you stay there or you decide to go back home. Also look at opportunities for starting something back home in Nigeria with your family or trusted friends back home but beware and be very careful cos we are all aware of what our people are capable of.

At the end of the day, the choice is with the individual; what we all pray for is to make the right decision at the right time.

Till we meet hopefully in March to continue our discussion further, it is me duduspace.

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Now, who would abandon such a salary in Nigeria to seek for 'greener pastures' abroad, when most people (I presume) abroad will be salivating over that salary. Sha, as they say, the grass always looks greener on the other side

true say
jay bee

i advice make una stay naija no think of waka commot

Without wanting to contradict a post I had previously read that the hairdresser lady from Owo, Ondo State now has two properties : London and Nigeria. I can tell you for a fact that there are 26 year olds building and buying houses here in Nigeria. I was as stunned as you could be reading this post until I calculated the age this UNILAG Graduate, KPMG working boy, ICAN Associate had built his house! Was he lucky? No, he was focused, in Nigeria

The boy in question is not telling you the truth. The starting salary in KPMG, PWC and delloitte is about N150,000 per month. after working for 4 years even managers in these organisations earn like 700k per month.

Do you know how much it costs to buy land and build a house in Nigeria? Maybe the guy is doing some other things he is not telling you. I am not insinuating illegit. But he is not building the house on his salary.

I worked in those organisations and I know senior Managers and even partners who dont have their own houses. They live on loans.

One thing I have noticed is that Nigeria is a fertile ground for bizniz if you can withstand the rigours. That is why you can make good money.

Have you also considered the vast number of unemployed youth.

How do you quantify the benefits of having uninterrupted electricity, security, a working government and sanity

This has been a great topic and a lot of nairaland experts (tongue in cheek)  have voiced very valid points. In my candid view, leaving Nigeria for abroad is totally subjective, when I left I was genuinely frustrated with the fact that it was extremely difficult to make headway (i.e. get a descent job) without having to result to compromising my principles. I hated that you had to know someone or have connection at an establishment before your application can be considered. I was determined, independent, confident with visions of how i wanted to live life, i just did not fancy the Nigerian way of doing things.  I wanted to take people at face value and wanted to be judged based on my capabilities and experience, not because I brought a note from so,so and so (influences), sadly this was the practise in Nigeria then.

I was then not particularly bothered about  the breakdown in our infrastructures, security was never an issue ( I no kuku get kobo then), neither was 'lack of Nepa', lack of clean drinkable tap water, etc. Left to those, I probably would have listened and heeded to Andrews rallying call (Andrew no check out O! Nigeria go survive). I think for me faith was a critical factor in my decision, I knew I was'nt comfortable with the Nija way, so I prayed and believed God to lead me to where I would flourish. In the UK, I did the odd jobs as an Engineer, but I had my goal, I knew I was ambitious and I was not going to take no for an answer, like most people, I went on a free UK government training at the end of which I landed a voluntary job (work but no pay, but my brother dash me suit fine pass my Oga own). It did not take long for the company to notice me, I was retained on a graduate salary with usual perks at the end of the voluntary period. I rose to become a consultant in my field, I have since migrated to the US where I now operate and run my own company, employing natives of this land. I now also contribute to development of my country by engaging in business activities with certain state governments (Money dey Nija, LOL).

Lets stop generalising and let the saying " to each his own" prevail.  If I had read this thread prior to my emigration, i probably would have been dead petrified (since I left the shores of Nija with visiting Visa). Come rain come shine, irrespective of location, cream always rises to the top, work hard, pray hard, be determined and please do not wait for manna cause all you will get is bird droplets on your head.

To summarize, the best brains are in the mortuary, you know why? cause they never tried! Try (with a backup plan- please do not put all your eggs in one basket) and if it fails, at least you would have lived without regrets.

FAILURE IS ONLY A CROSSROAD ON THE PATH TO SUCCESS.

[size=16pt]SHINE YOUR EYES WELL WELL . DON'T LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU[/size]

It's interesting reading the in depths contributions to the above topic on the post. its exposition and analysis. it is a balance one. I commend the efforts of wumiabi, demiso, Hesperus, MT, Busy Body and osisi. For those planning to travel, you will be wiser now in making your decision.

[size=16pt]AND IT DOESN"T LOOK ABOUT TO GET BETTER SOON[/size]

Is the situation better in Nigeria?

OgidiBoy:

I totally agree with you, I just came back from Nigeria a few day ago and the rate at which that country is developing amazes me. Right now I have my family members looking at different business's I can invest in, I'm so sick of living in the States. A record number of Nigerian went home from Dallas this year so it's starting to look like Nigeria is not as bad as some people will make it.

I seriously envy so many people in Nigeria take my little sister that just went back to Nigeria last year, now she works in a freaking bank, drives a new car she paid cash for, has two maids, a driver, lives in a 3 bedroom flat, with a gate man. Tell me how many people in America can enjoy that kind of luxury.

Hmm, i see what the problem is.
My guy, a lot of people in America a whole lot more than that. I guess having a gateman, a driver and maids means luxury to you right?
Well y get a gateman if you don't need one. In the states, you don't need one unless you live in Hollywood.
If you need a maid to clean your house, you can get maids/mexicans to do these jobs as well but most people don't because IT'S NOT NECESSARY
Why would you need a driver if driving is not hectic or stressful.
How many hours does your sister work? I'm guessing not less than 10hrs (without overtime pay). Do bankers in the states work over 8hrs without overtime pay.
Let's be realistic here. A banker working in the U.S is better of than one working in naija juh.
Do you know how many bankers in naija loose their jobs because of inability to meet some stupid "target"
Fine, the financial industry in the U.S is in the gutters but that doesn't warrant biased comparisons.

For the people who keep saying crap about cleaners and the likes in the states, to hell with you.
That is why a lot won't succeed. Don't you have people working as cleaners in Naija.
If you clean streets in the states and get paid for it, whats the big deal.
The only people who have issues are those that don't have degrees/degrees from naija who come into yankee and expect to better off than regular americans of the same status. If you want a better life, get a degree in the states or at least get your green card. The sky's the limit.
I am yet to find a nigerian U.S college grad that is not doing okay. If you don't have a job, go home.

When compared with the recent rise in unemployment in the UK, Nigeria could be said to be faring better (in quote). This is because although you might not easily lay hands on office jobs, a lot of individuals have started doing business on their own. Things are not as bad as they seem here. I would advise anyone who intends to 'ja' to weigh options very well. Except for 'cross posting' situations and study, the kind of life you'd get will not be fantastic.

watch out though, Naija is 'sprouting' and soon we'll be talking on another economic level.

A-town:

Hmm, i see what the problem is.
My guy, a lot of people in America a whole lot more than that. I guess having a gateman, a driver and maids means luxury to you right?
Well y get  a gateman if you don't need one. In the states, you don't need one unless you live in Hollywood.
If you need a maid to clean your house, you can get maids/mexicans to do these jobs as well but most people don't because IT'S NOT NECESSARY
Why would you need a driver if driving is not hectic or stressful.
How many hours does your sister work? I'm guessing not less than 10hrs (without overtime pay). Do bankers in the states work over 8hrs without overtime pay.
Let's be realistic here. A banker working in the US is better of than one working in naija juh.
Do you know how many bankers in naija loose their jobs because of inability to meet some stupid "target"
Fine, the financial industry in the US is in the gutters but that doesn't warrant biased comparisons.

For the people who keep saying crap about cleaners and the likes in the states, to hell with you.
That is why a lot won't succeed. Don't you have people working as cleaners in Naija.
If you clean streets in the states and get paid for it, whats the big deal.
The only people who have issues are those that don't have degrees/degrees from naija who come into yankee and expect to better off than regular americans of the same status. If you want a better life, get a degree in the states or at least get your green card. The sky's the limit.
I am yet to find a nigerian US college grad that is not doing okay. If you don't have a job, go home.

LOL
Chairman this no be for fight now 
The topic  is "What Advise Will You  Give Anyone Relocating Abroad?" . People are only presenting "FACTS" as they stand and not comparing location . No need for useless display of EMOTIONS . Many of us have also lived/schooled abroad before . When you work/commute from dawn till dusk where do you find the time to go looking for "nigerian US college grad that is not doing okay" . Everybody mind their own business abroad as we know and people ALWAYS carefully conceal their true situation.Because you are yet to find one doesn't mean THEY DON'T EXIST.
Nevertheless stay cool ; I have not posted to challenge anyone's life decision. Just presenting the NEWS as I read it. I did not create BBC by the way and I don't work for BBC.

A-town:


I am yet to find a nigerian US college grad that is not doing okay. If you don't have a job, go home.

hello sir, i sure agree with ur point,
the working conditions in Nigeria is far hell different from outside Nigeria, i have asked a brother of mine that is a banker if they do have an official 1 hr lunch break at the office he said yes/no No in the sense that u arrange the food one way or the other and YES is when u r eating it u r on break.

interesting Nigerians work too hard compared to other countries i have visited but nevertheless f you dont have a strategic plan and you are planning to leave Nigeria for the some where else you better think twice

to put a Comer to you quote above,  how many Nigerians that went to school in US and did not graduate with a first class that have a very good job? please show me  some if u know cos most of my friends graduate with good grades and they get offers for interviews and i have heard stories of non offfers for some others

the deal is, in Nigeria Greed plays a lot on what we do, if your salary is 150k a month u would complain , if it is 1.5 M a month we would stilll complain, what matters is what can u accomplish  with what you have and be thankful and stop nagging.

Which emotions.
Work from Dusk till Dawn? Which kin job be dat. Certainly not a regular white/blue collar job.
My statement does not necessarily imply that you won't find people in bad situations. It's just to correct the notion that everyone abroad is wasting their time.
In my field, there are a lot of Nigerians doing well earning way over 140,000 dollars per annum so i'm just commenting based on what i've seen.

kaecy5:

hello sir, i sure agree with ur point,
the working conditions in Nigeria is far hell different from outside Nigeria, i have asked a brother of mine that is a banker if they do have an official 1 hr lunch break at the office he said yes/no No in the sense that u arrange the food one way or the other and YES is when u r eating it u r on break.

interesting Nigerians work too hard compared to other countries i have visited but nevertheless f you don't have a strategic plan and you are planning to leave Nigeria for the some where else you better think twice

to put a Comer to you quote above, how many Nigerians that went to school in US and did not graduate with a first class that have a very good job? please show me some if u know because most of my friends graduate with good grades and they get offers for interviews and i have heard stories of non offfers for some others

the deal is, in Nigeria Greed plays a lot on what we do, if your salary is 150k a month u would complain , if it is 1.5 M a month we would stilll complain, what matters is what can u accomplish with what you have and be thankful and stop nagging.

I hope you read my post clearly! I said if you don't get a job, go home.
Getting a goodjob is not about a first class. Too bad thats the norm in Nigeria. Here it has a lot to do with your determination, internship and co-op experience, networking, participating in extra curric activities and so on. To your friends that didn't get a job, tell them to go home or get their residency. It's that simple.

A-town:

Which emotions.
Work from Dusk till Dawn? Which kin job be that. Certainly not a regular white/blue collar job.
My statement does not necessarily imply that you won't find people in bad situations. It's just to correct the notion that everyone abroad is wasting their time.
In my field, there are a lot of Nigerians doing well earning way over 140,000 dollars per annum so i'm just commenting based on what i've seen.

I want to believe that you don't need glasses sir and probably not dyslexic either. My post said " work/commute  from dawn till dusk" For every Nigerian in US who earns 140grand a year (most often medicals working crazy hours), there are at least 20,000 others who don't. And again this post or thread is not about YOU so stop doing gra-gra . If you want to help anyone reading this thread post FACTS of where and how Nigerians hoping to emigrate can earn $140k
Thank you

felifeli:

I want to believe that you don't need glasses sir and probably not dyslexic either. My post said " work/commute from dawn till dusk" For every Nigerian in US who earns 140grand a year (most often medicals working crazy hours), there are at least 20,000 others who don't. And again this post or thread is not about YOU so stop doing gra-gra . If you want to help anyone reading this thread post FACTS of where and how Nigerians hoping to emigrate can earn $140k
Thank you

Work from dust till dawn, commute from dust till dawn. . Makes no difference to me.
Why do you always have to turn informational forums into bouts. There is nothing in my post that makes this thread about me.
The reason i referenced the salary posted above is in perfect reply to the post. To show that professionals actually do make it out here as opposed to general vibe being displayed here that we're all suffering in the west. If anything, it is an encouragement to the poster that there is hope in relocating.

Stop being naive. Is it possible for everyone to be gainfully employed? There are people who make 20,000 dollars and those who make 1 million dollars. I only posted those that i know about. Medics make well above 140,000 dollars by the way. The average starting salary for them is about 110,000 dollars, i think.

For your information, the starting salary for "newbies" at my company was 71,000 dollars prior to the employment freeze due to the recession. I leave it to you to figure out the profession. I have only posted this in response to the post. You don't need to start picking unnecessary fights. Post anything that you feel is informative and stop focusing on the "poster"

Work from dust till dawn, commute from dust till dawn.  .   Makes no difference to me.

Dawn to dusk is a lot different from Dusk to dawn by the way  (except you are Major Dimka)  Apparently you don't know the meaning of "dusk"

Medics make well above 140,000 dollars by the way. The average starting salary for them is about 110,000 dollars, i think.

I think you have also been reading too many newspaper ads/comic pages. I have a good many relations living in US and in medical profession by the way.

For your information, the starting salary for "newbies" at my company was 71,000 dollars prior to the employment freeze due to the recession. I leave it to you to figure out the profession.

If you are not willing to share information then what the f**k are you doing participating in this thread other than to say that YOU are well-paid?

Anyway I will not engage you in a tit-for-tat  , your gra-gra too much for me 

felifeli:

Dawn to dusk is a lot different from Dusk to dawn by the way  (except you are Major Dimka)  Apparently you don't know the meaning of "dusk"
I think you have also been reading too many newspaper ads/comic pages. I have a good many relations living in US and in medical profession by the way.
If you are not willing to share information then what the f**k are you doing participating in this thread other than to say that YOU are well-paid?

Anyway I will not engage you in a tit-for-tat  , your gra-gra too much for me 

You like picking fights abi. I can tell you're still a baby.
Picking on typo's does not make you smart. As long as the point is conveyed. Dawn to dusk or dust till dawn, what does it change? Quit being silly.
When i say Medics, i'm referring to Surgeons. Everything does not have to be spelt out.  .    .
How many of your relatives that are Surgeons or M.D's make below 100,000 dollars?
Why should i start divulging company information online. Do i know you or the poster of this thread? I care less. You're really silly you know.
What i've stated here is common knowledge. Google is your best friend. Find out what the average starting salaries of Engineers, R.T's, M.D's and the likes are if you need them. I am not obligated to tell you my company. If you believe it fine, if you don't then thats your problem.

I initially thought u were based in the states. Now i know better. You live on hearsay and you'd rather argue with someone that tells you that you can be a successful professional in the states. It may be hard for you to believe but a lot of Nigerian Professionals are doing good out here.

Why would i want to let anyone know that i am overpaid. No one here knows me. This ITK attitude has got to stop.
I maintain my stand that the west is not only about washing plates and cleaning streets.

There is dignity in labour irrespective of where you live.
1. Many will agree that a driver in London looks fresher and cleaner than most drivers in Lagos? why? is it the pay or working condition? Ask yourself

2. Most countries are experiencing the negative impact of the downturn resulting in job losses for its citizens. questions is, how many people in Nigeria don't even have jobs at all?

3. Simple and basic things (electricity, water, transport, etc) are available in advanced countries driving the economy and a pleasant state of mind of the people living there. NEPA (PHCN) has been erratic since inception and doesn't look like it will get better. Don't you think this is enough to drive one crazy? Yet you pay taxes and bills every month, what for?

4. Some complain that the Tube can be discomforting during rush hours, but this certainly cannot compare to the headaches of molue, again, these are simple things that can make or mar one's morning/day.

5. It should be noted that people relocate for different reasons and living abroad is never easy but if you can tough it out, God be your strength. Abroad is no heaven but no one should be rebuked for wanting to travel out of Nigeria. We all know as Nigerians how tough and frustrating things can be. God will see us through.

dust => dusk => typo => no difference ke (abi Musa?) 

I initially thought u were based in the states. Now i know better. You live on hearsay and you'd rather argue with someone that tells you that you can be a successful professional in the states. It may be hard for you to believe but a lot of Nigerian Professionals are doing good out here.

Sir, I have spent more years of my life outside Naija than I have spent  in the country; but that is beside the point of this thread.

I think I am quickly acquiring a reputation for belligerence on this web site and I must really bow out this time A-hole

What was the baby's first word in that film "Meet The Parents ?"
Bye  


PS : All new posters please note the topic  "Nigerians Abroad: What Advise [sic] Will You  Give Anyone Relocating Abroad?"  and not  "Abroad is better than yeye Nigeria . Discuss"  Otherwise you are doing breakdance to Apala music .

felifeli:

Major Dimka . . . If you are not willing to share information then what the f**k are you doing participating in this thread other than to say that YOU are well-paid?

Anyway I will not engage you in a tit-for-tat , your gra-gra too much for me

Ha i no fit shout





^{There's something about a pafun ti o ngbona feli feli about you, i swear}

felifeli:

PS : All new posters please note the topic  "Nigerians Abroad: What Advise (sic) Will You  Give Anyone Relocating Abroad?"  and not  "Abroad is better than yeye Nigeria . Discuss"  Otherwise you are doing breakdance to Apala music .

acting smart abi?  
anyways, advice is simple, if you can toughen it out abroad, go for it and God be with you.

Nigerians dey make me laugh.

Shebi Yankee get statistics, UK get statistics, Naija NO get any stats. plus shebi na job loss be their own, for Naija, the naira devaluation, in the last 5 weeks, the naira has lost about 28% in value, as at yesterday, it's sold for: N148 vs 1USD, as against the N119USD it maintained in the last 2 years.

What does this imply, everything will go up by another 50%, everything, because we import everything, chei.,

felifeli:


What was the baby's first word in that film "Meet The Parents ?"

Answer  : Aaaaaaassssss hoooooole  [ that is what the baby said; damn funny film]
Everybody don't fight again o.

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