is anybody here working in any federal government hospital? I guess non. I work in a federal government hospital and whatam about to tell u its a reality, Doctors can never, I repeat can never attend to any patient without other JOHESU, if u know hospital set up very well, u will understand what am talking about, a new patient that want to see a medical doctor will pass thru this process: 1. a medical record officer will attend to you, they wil be yhe one that will bring out your case file or better still open a new case file for you, 2. its a Nurse that will take your vital signs, its after these procedure that u can not see a doctor, after seeing a doctor, a doctor.cannot diagnose u without 3. its now the medical lab scientist will now conduct a test or series of tests on you, as recommended by the doctor, after that u go to pharmacy to buy.ya drugs,. 4.go to physiotherapy, 5. dental clinic (as the case maybe,) 6. pay for their bills.
so pls my fellow nairalanders, tell me how can a doctor work effectively without JOHESU, I.never mention, the engineers that will power the clinics, wards, (hospital as whole) orderlies that will clean the hospital, accountant that will collect money, security that will secure li es and properties, my dear brothers and sister, there is no way government will be giving NMA a preferential treatment at the detriment of JOHES, we are both relevant in Health Sector. thank you.

VantagePoint:

Pray tell, why should doctors feel "threatened" that pharmacists "can always find a place outside the hospital"?
How do pharmacists working outside the hospital result in doctors losing their jobs?
Pharmacists want the degree to be upgraded to a doctorate, and you don't want to be bothered about acquiring more qualifications through postgraduate training?
"More clinical knowledge".Are you suggesting your primary degree is inadequate?
Do you know a lot of pharmacists in Nigeria(over 90%) work with local pharmaceutical companies (Orange, Neimeth, Emzor) not as pharmacists but sales reps?
That virtually all drugstores and pharmacies in Nigeria are not run by licensed pharmacists?
What have you done about it?
My questions are rhetorical, do not bother replying.

Lolzzz......Sha! continuing lying
I dont understand y u guys wanna kill urself, i was reading an article today wia Dr. paul said that he almost kill himself wen FG accede to JOHESU demand on consultancy. lolz funny people. My advice to u guys is, pls dont kill urself now, let experience dz change together.......CHANGE IN NIGERIA HEALTH SECTOR IS INEVITABLE. d earlier u guys realise d beta for u. God bless Nigeria

heykims:

Abi u mean drugs salesmen. Instead of them to focus on drug production nd formulations, d core of their profession, they re busy chasing to achieve consultant salesmen in hospitals.
Misplaced priority....

dont mind them jare....

Instead of them to think of how to be a CEO of one giant pharmaceutical company and make millions, they are busy fighting doctors to be consultants...

This is misplaced priorities at its peak....

haryhorku:
is anybody here working in any federal government hospital? I guess non. I work in a federal government hospital and whatam about to tell u its a reality, Doctors can never, I repeat can never attend to any patient without other JOHESU, if u know hospital set up very well, u will understand what am talking about, a new patient that want to see a medical doctor will pass thru this process: 1. a medical record officer will attend to you, they wil be yhe one that will bring out your case file or better still open a new case file for you, 2. its a Nurse that will take your vital signs, its after these procedure that u can not see a doctor, after seeing a doctor, a doctor.cannot diagnose u without 3. its now the medical lab scientist will now conduct a test or series of tests on you, as recommended by the doctor, after that u go to pharmacy to buy.ya drugs,. 4.go to physiotherapy, 5. dental clinic (as the case maybe,) 6. pay for their bills.
so pls my fellow nairalanders, tell me how can a doctor work effectively without JOHESU, I.never mention, the engineers that will power the clinics, wards, (hospital as whole) orderlies that will clean the hospital, accountant that will collect money, security that will secure li es and properties, my dear brothers and sister, there is no way government will be giving NMA a preferential treatment at the detriment of JOHES, we are both relevant in Health Sector. thank you.

With all due respect, all the activities you mentioned can be carried out by the doctor, although in a private setting. JOHESU is only relevant in government hospitals.
Expect the future where majority of healthcare will be privately owned, like the US and India, and we will see what becomes of JOHESU.

sogodihno:

Lolzzz......Sha! continuing lying
I dont understand y u guys wanna kill urself, i was reading an article today wia Dr. paul said that he almost kill himself wen FG accede to JOHESU demand on consultancy. lolz funny people. My advice to u guys is, pls dont kill urself now, let experience dz change together.......CHANGE IN NIGERIA HEALTH SECTOR IS INEVITABLE. d earlier u guys realise d beta for u. God bless Nigeria

It is no skin off my nose if record officers or lab scientists become consultants. What you don't seem to realize is that a consultant pharmacist or scientist makes no difference WHATSOEVER in the clinical outcome of the patient, than more that is achievable now.
I challenge you to prove me wrong on the points I raised in my first post.

VantagePoint:

With all due respect, all the activities you mentioned can be carried out by the doctor, although in a private setting. JOHESU is only relevant in government hospitals.
Expect the future where majority of healthcare will be privately owned, like the US and India, and we will see what becomes of JOHESU.

my dear brother, don't tell me that a doctor can clean the wards, power the hospital, do the work of a security at the same time diagnose a patient? haba,,,,, u wan kill them ni,? and mind you, tell me is NMA relevant in private hospitals? i guess your answer will be YES!!! mind you JOHESU also is relevant, cos all medical professionals has their governing bodies. meanwhile, its Nigeria we are using as a case study, why you mentioned India and US? just accept the fact that NMA can not be relevant without JOHESU, via a vis, thanks.

haryhorku:
my dear brother, don't tell me that a doctor can clean the wards, power the hospital, do the work of a security at the same time diagnose a patient? haba,,,,, u wan kill them ni,? and mind you, tell me is NMA relevant in private hospitals? i guess your answer will be YES!!! mind you JOHESU also is relevant, cos all medical professionals has their governing bodies. meanwhile, its Nigeria we are using as a case study, why you mentioned India and US? just accept the fact that NMA can not be relevant without JOHESU, via a vis, thanks.

NMA is not a union, like JOHESU.
JOHESU is not a governing body.
NMA members are doctors, and most private hospitals are headed by them.
Are the engineers and operators who power the generators part of JOHESU? I didn't know that. If they are, then I don't see the point of JOHESU.
My point is; Can a doctor do the activities you listed? YES
Can JOHESU members do the work of a doctor? NO.
Mind you, I am not saying JOHESU is not as important as doctors, but they are not equal, anywhere in the world.

VantagePoint:

With all due respect, all the activities you mentioned can be carried out by the doctor, although in a private setting. JOHESU is only relevant in government hospitals.
Expect the future where majority of healthcare will be privately owned, like the US and India, and we will see what becomes of JOHESU.

please tell them oooo, tell them, shebi na government don dey spoil them!!!

I had a friend who was a med lab scientist, who was always up and going with this JOHESU matter, especially when the lab goons were granted autonomy....

Guess what happened when he travelled to the USA; he was a sitting duck!!! He runs the tests, while the resident pathologists review the tests and make a diagnosis, and this is done only in sane societies!!!

In fact, there are sone tests that only the chemical pathologist would do that no MLS cannot even try... A very good example is assay for bile acids to diagnose zollinger-ellison'syndrome

VantagePoint:

NMA is not a union, like JOHESU.
JOHESU is not a governing body.
NMA members are doctors, and most private hospitals are headed by them.
Are the engineers and operators who power the generators part of JOHESU? I didn't know that. If they are, then I don't see the point of JOHESU.
My point is; Can a doctor do the activities you listed? YES
Can JOHESU members do the work of a doctor? NO.
Mind you, I am not saying JOHESU is not as important as doctors, but they are not equal, anywhere in the world.

NMA is an association not a union, JOHESU is a force (a union) that comprises of other health workers, physiotherapists, pharmacists, nurses, engineers, architects, radiographers, lab scientists, accountants, administrators, etc that are working in government hospitals either federal or state ( though all these professionals has their governing bodies)
back to your question, can doctor do the work of a nurse? an accountant? an engineer? etc, tell me they can also do the work of security and orderlies?? lol lol , which is NO?

haryhorku:
NMA is an association not a union, JOHESU is a force (a union) that comprises of other health workers, physiotherapists, pharmacists, nurses, engineers, architects, radiographers, lab scientists, accountants, administrators, etc that are working in government hospitals either federal or state ( though all these professionals has their governing bodies)
back to your question, can doctor do the work of a nurse? an accountant? a lab scientist? an engineer? etc, which is NO?

JOHESU is a force?
What's that supposed to mean?
what you just described is a motley crowd of people with diverse origins and interests.
JOHESU indeed.

VantagePoint:

JOHESU is a force?
What's that supposed to mean?
what you just described is a motley crowd of people with diverse origins and interests.
JOHESU indeed.

not a crowd but group of professionals in health sector with the aim of a common goal. pls which country are I presently?

haryhorku:
NMA is an association not a union, JOHESU is a force (a union) that comprises of other health workers, physiotherapists, pharmacists, nurses, engineers, architects, radiographers, lab scientists, accountants, administrators, etc that are working in government hospitals either federal or state ( though all these professionals has their governing bodies)
back to your question, can doctor do the work of a nurse? an accountant? an engineer? etc, tell me they can also do the work of security and orderlies?? lol lol , which is NO?

i no know say the engineers and technicians in the power house are members of johesu.....

Anyway, i'm a doctor, on night duty presently, and i'm doing the work of a nurse, why Cos the nurse is sleeping while a pregnant lady was rushed with malaria symptoms, which is an emergency....

Lagusta:


i no know say the engineers and technicians in the power house are members of johesu.....

Anyway, i'm a doctor, on night duty presently, and i'm doing the work of a nurse, why Cos the nurse is sleeping while a pregnant lady was rushed with malaria symptoms, which is an emergency....

well done and good job, so do u work in a private hospital or government hospital? is the power on generator or PHCN? If PHCN off the light now, will u rush to the generator room/house to on the light, or u will use ya smart phone flash light to attend to the pregnant woman? I pray she doesnt have complications during your procedure? if PHCN off the light.

haryhorku:
well done and good job, so do u work in a private hospital or government hospital? is the power on generator or PHCN? If PHCN off the light now, will u rush to the generator room/house to on the light, or u will use ya smart phone flash light to attend to the pregnant woman? I pray she doesnt have complications during your procedure? if PHCN off the light.

i'm a house officer at Lautech teaching hospital, ogbomoso.....

If there is a power surge, and the power house does notswitch on the main generator, the accident and emergency unit has its own generator, which anyone can pull, even an old woman can pull it.....

Lagusta:


i'm a house officer at Lautech teaching hospital, ogbomoso.....

If there is a power surge, and the power house does notswitch on the main generator, the accident and emergency unit has its own generator, which anyone can pull, even an old woman can pull it.....

yeah I remember u said emergency, we use inverter in my hospital, I work in fmc, abeokuta. just be careful, I wish you all the very best. on a jolly mood, wey d Reg or M.O wey suppose dey with you, dem don go sleep *wink*

armadeo:



Ole. If you want MBBS you know where to get it. Everyone is not equal that doesn't mean anyone is expendable.

na wa o....i didnt know you guys can be do dumb not to understand my point.
som1 said medical students are being used as nurses etc what do you call that?...is it not MBBS-nurses?
my point is, since you guys claim you can do "evrytin" without JOHESU, den why do we need graduates in those fields? let them scrap off admission into those other fields and
let there be only admission into MBBS....the usual number of people they normally admit; train all of them as full medical doctors then share the work of JOHESU among them. and all other workers go to rest since the all knowing doctors have taken over their job. then we will see how competent doctors are in doing "everything" like they claim.
if that happens what do we have....will that not be MBBS-nurses & MBBS-lab techs etc??
so dumb head,, how does that makes me want MBBS?

sorry you guys had to write jamb several times before you got your MBBS...no wonder you see it as a huge achievements. but its no big deal....the real medical students are the ones who wrote jamb once and got MBBS not serial jamb writers like you

kcdegr8:

story for d gods

you see, i was right about you. no wonder you didnt even try to counter what i said.
are you sure its not one miserable private university you got your MBBS from??
the real medical students don't have to write jamb serially to get their MBBS admision...they were made for it. not serial jamb writers like you who force themselves to study MBBS

Growth in the health sector has come to stay weda some group of people like it or nt

paulshakur:
I have often said it that all these incessant strikes is not the solution. A round table dialogue is imminent if a lasting solution is needed to help curb these strikes.
[b]

Fashola hasn't paid state doctors since August, they're still working but most of them are doing PP and leaving the General Hospitals for when they're free. Later, when you hear they're on strike, you people will be screaming insults at them. What more round table do you want to discuss, simple "pay my monthly salary", that now needs discussions.

this issues ll not go away soon https://www.nairaland.com/2013336/health-sector-strikes-underlying-issues

haryhorku:
yeah I remember u said emergency, we use inverter in my hospital, I work in fmc, abeokuta. just be careful, I wish you all the very best. on a jolly mood, wey d Reg or M.O wey suppose dey with you, dem don go sleep *wink*

no worry, we too go soon get inverter... Lollzzz

no mind my reg jare, the guy fit sleep like sleeping beauty....

All's well shaaa

pharmguru:

na wa o....i didnt know you guys can be do dumb not to understand my point.
som1 said medical students are being used as nurses etc what do you call that?...is it not MBBS-nurses?
my point is, since you guys claim you can do "evrytin" without JOHESU, den why do we need graduates in those fields? let them scrap off admission into those other fields and
let there be only admission into MBBS....the usual number of people they normally admit; train all of them as full medical doctors then share the work of JOHESU among them. and all other workers go to rest since the all knowing doctors have taken over their job. then we will see how competent doctors are in doing "everything" like they claim.
if that happens what do we have....will that not be MBBS-nurses & MBBS-lab techs etc??
so dumb head,, how does that makes me want MBBS?

sorry you guys had to write jamb several times before you got your MBBS...no wonder you see it as a huge achievements. but its no big deal....the real medical students are the ones who wrote jamb once and got MBBS not serial jamb writers like you

Yawns........



















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Ole.

Lagusta:


no worry, we too go soon get inverter... Lollzzz

no mind my reg jare, the guy fit sleep like sleeping beauty....

All's well shaaa

One of the problems in the health sector. Why should a hospital run on generator inverter? We need a solar plant for 24hrs electricity. Lol i remember one funny incident, during a surgery the hospital plant went off, and the guy on the table was a nepa officer, see as we take mouth finish am. He was begging the doctor to use torch light

VantagePoint:

Pray tell, why should doctors feel "threatened" that pharmacists "can always find a place outside the hospital"?
How do pharmacists working outside the hospital result in doctors losing their jobs?
Pharmacists want the degree to be upgraded to a doctorate, and you don't want to be bothered about acquiring more qualifications through postgraduate training?
"More clinical knowledge".Are you suggesting your primary degree is inadequate?
Do you know a lot of pharmacists in Nigeria(over 90%) work with local pharmaceutical companies (Orange, Neimeth, Emzor) not as pharmacists but sales reps?
That virtually all drugstores and pharmacies in Nigeria are not run by licensed pharmacists?
What have you done about it?
My questions are rhetorical, do not bother replying.

Sorry bro...tried resisting the urge to reply but i kinda find your points more interesting and challenging than your other dumb colleagues who cant counter ones point and so result in laughing. now to address your points,...a thousand yes! the primary degree obtainable in nigeria is not enough. the world has moved on in pharmacy and we are stil lagging behind.

all drug stores and pharmacists cannot be owned by lincensed pharmacists because the number of registered pharmacists are not enough to meet the drug demands of nigerians nationwide.
on what has been done about it?...its just a matter of time. by the time there are enough pharmacists to go round, all that will end. i dont suppose you would still want to get services from a chemist when a licensed pharmacist is nearby in the same neighbourhood would you?
and i didnt say doctors will lose their job when phrmacists work outside the hospital. but trust me, when we finally get to upgrade our degree like our colleagues all over the world, you guys wont be dealing with pharmacists just giving out drugs alone. the world has moved on with that long ago

Onegai:


Fashola hasn't paid state doctors since August, they're still working but most of them are doing PP and leaving the General Hospitals for when they're free. Later, when you hear they're on strike, you people will be screaming insults at them. What more round table do you want to discuss, simple "pay my monthly salary", that now needs discussions.

Abeg if na joke make you stop am oh!
You cannot be talking about Obiagelli's 'better market wey dey sell himself'.

Obiagelli:

You are beginning to sound pathetic, nobody is selling excellence to you, check 98% of the posts here, they have seen a government with a sense of direction hence the praises. Let your village governors come and copy leadership as usual.

Like they say, better market dey sell himself.

Anyway the 'excellent' governor is a chronic DEBTOR of salaries.

anonimi:

28 OCTOBER 2014

Staff of Adeniran Ogunsanya College of Education, (AOCOED), Ijanikin, on Monday besieged the Lagos State Secretariat and office of the State Governor Mr. Babatunde Fashola located in Alausa, Ikeja, to protest what they termed as series of anomalies in the institution.

The staff who brandished placards with inscriptions such as , 'Olukoga must go', 'Where is our cooperative funds', 'Bashorun must go', 'Fashola pay out four and half years salary arrears', among others said they were also protesting against the credibility of members of the ad-hoc committee set up by the governor to address the issues affecting institution.

Their protest march disrupted working activities in the Alausa secretariat while it lasted.

More from: http://allafrica.com/stories/201410290079.html

Bunch of pretentious SCAMMERS.


2015 - Kick Arewa People's Congress, APC out of Lagos state.

heykims:

Abi u mean drugs salesmen. Instead of them to focus on drug production nd formulations, d core of their profession, they re busy chasing to achieve consultant salesmen in hospitals.
Misplaced priority....

whether u call us drugsalesmen or not, we are definitely a drugsalemen because it's one aspect of Pharmacy. So, don't shout aloud your pitch cos, ur music will be bad.

pharmguru:

but trust me, when we finally get to upgrade our degree like our colleagues all over the world, you guys wont be dealing with pharmacists just giving out drugs alone. the world has moved on with that long ago

Care to explain?

pharmguru:

you see, i was right about you. no wonder you didnt even try to counter what i said.
are you sure its not one miserable private university you got your MBBS from??
the real medical students don't have to write jamb serially to get their MBBS admision...they were made for it. not serial jamb writers like you who force themselves to study MBBS

*yawns*

I work in a federal hospital nd we running clinics. Patient gets a 20leaves notebook which we use to document . Just admitted a patient with advance Ca prostate.

@all in summary, does anyone have genuine info on the present situatn of things, pls? Cos I'm currently undergoing sm tests @ a fed hospital n these tests r to be done in relatn to one another; I've done 1 only to go for d next n be told they've gone on strike. The last 1 is supposed to be done nxt week n d results wl be interpreted in relatn to 1 another bt now I dn't know what's going to happen n d money no be small money o. Pls some1 help wt any info u've got. 10x in advance o

The days of the federal government dividing to conquer Nigerian health care workers may be nearing its end

http://www.naijaclinic.com/2014/11/crises-in-health-sector-as-johesu.html