CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus didnt waste his time .... He achieved the followin:

1) Forgiveness Of Sin: we are prone to err as human, through Jesus ransom sacrifice, a sincere person can receive " forgiveness of sin" Col 1:13,14 without havin to slaughter rams and cow as sacrifice .

2) Serving God with a clean conscience: .... The blood or ransom sacrifice of Christ " cleanse our consciences from Dead works, so that we may render sacred service to the Living God" - Heb 9:14

3) HOPE of everlasting life on earth :

"let Ur Kingdom Come ,.... And YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH as it is in heaven" - matt 6:9,10

" the gift God gives is everlasting life through Christ Jesus" Rom 6:23

" the righteous shall possess the Earth and they shall live forever on it" - psalm 37:29 !!!

"Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).
Why does the world has to pay for the sin that Jesus had already paid for?

Hiswordxray:


"Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).
Why does the world has to pay for the sin that Jesus had already paid for?

Heb 10:18 " Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin" ! Thats it , though he died once .. Jesus settled it for all time ! No need for continuous offerin of sin as done in the mosaic law from year to year

But concerning all humans " if we practice sin willfully after receivin the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin left" heb 10:26 !! Dats it, all humans should obey their Creator and forsake d devil who own sin , .... This accurate text shows dat Christ sacrifice wont cover anyone who practice sin !!
For Such Ones " Has trampled on the Son of God and has regarded as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified " heb 10: 29


" And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, BUT for him who died for them and was raised up" 2 corinthians 5:15

CAPTIVATOR:


Heb 10:18 " Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin" ! Thats it , though he died once .. Jesus settled it for all time ! No need for continuous offerin of sin as done in the mosaic law from year to year

But concerning all humans " if we practice sin willfully after receivin the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin left" heb 10:26 !! Dats it, all humans should obey their Creator and forsake d devil who own sin , .... This accurate text shows dat Christ sacrifice wont cover anyone who practice sin !!
For Such Ones " Has trampled on the Son of God and has regarded as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by whiche he was sanctified " heb 10: 29

"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and
not for ours only but also for the whole
world." (1John 2:2)
"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him,
and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes
away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29)
Those verses didn't say Jesus took the sin of all those who will not sin willfully but it says he took the sin of the world.

Hiswordxray:

"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and
not for ours only but also for the whole
world." (1John 2:2)
"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him,
and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes
away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29)
Those verses didn't say Jesus took the sin of all those who will not sin willfully but it says he took the sin of the world.

" And he died for all (everyone), so that those who live should live No Longer For Themselves, BUT FOR HIM WHO DIED FOR THEM AND WAS RAISED UP " - 1 COR 5:15

Hiswordxray:

"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and
not for ours only but also for the whole
world." (1John 2:2)
"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him,
and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes
away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29)
Those verses didn't say Jesus took the sin of all those who will not sin willfully but it says he took the sin of the world.

" And he died for all (everyone), so that those who live should live No Longer For Themselves, BUT FOR HIM WHO DIED FOR THEM AND WAS RAISED UP " - 2 COR 5:15

CAPTIVATOR:


" And he died for all (everyone), so that those who live should live No Longer For Themselves, BUT FOR HIM WHO DIED FOR THEM AND WAS RAISED UP " - 2 COR 5:15

OK let me summarize all you have said:
wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the wages.
But everybody will have to pay this wages again.
And those who does not sin willfully will only pay a part of this wages by dying for a moment and resurrecting later.

So tell me how that teaching agrees with this verse - "Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).

You can't pay for sin twice that is what the Bible tells us. If God request for the payment of a sin twice then God is unjust.
Are you saying God is unjust?

Hiswordxray:

OK let me summarize all you have said:
wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the wages.
But everybody will have to pay this wages again.
And those who does not sin willfully will only pay a part of this wages by dying for a moment and resurrecting later.

So tell me how that teaching agrees with this verse - "Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).

Dear fellow, Compare Heb 10: 11 With 18 ..... Its clear dat unlike d priest that offer sacrifice everyday and yet never wash away sins , Jesus makes forgiveness for sins ONCE and there is no longer the need for offerin of sin ! Ram and cow cancelled in d new covenant !

Jesus teach us to pray for a " Kingdom that will make the will of God be done as in heaven also UPON EARTH ! - MAT 6:9,10

Under this kingdom of God ..... " death the last enemy will be brought to nothing" 1cor 15: 24-28

We are presently still in a world ruled by "Devil" 1joh 5:19

CANTICLES:


Dear fellow, Compare Heb 10: 11 With 18 ..... Its clear dat unlike d priest that offer sacrifice everyday and yet never wash away sins , Jesus makes forgiveness for sins ONCE and there is no longer the need for offerin of sin ! Ram and cow cancelled in d new covenant !

The Bible didn't say Jesus die to make forgiveness of sin but he die to take away our sin. Once he die all our sin were completely wash away.
" 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Heb 10:12-14).

"who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, " (1Pet 2:18)
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2Cor 5:20).
Those verses are saying Jesus became sin, he bore our sin on his body so that when he died all our sin died. Our past, present and future sin no longer exist because they died in Jesus.

"He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to PUT AWAY SIN by the sacrifice of Himself." (Heb 9:26).
"He cancel the record of the charges against us and took it away by the nailing it to the cross." (Col 2:14). Our sins are totally gone, God forgave us all our sins over 2000 years ago when he accepted the sacrifice of Jesus.

Under the old covenant once the high priest had done the sacrifice the sins of the people are immediately washed away, they are all forgiven. The people does not go back home and start asking God to forgive them of the same sins the had been atone for.

Jesus did this sacrifice once and for all therefore all the sin of the world are washed away once and for all. Then why does the world had to suffer for sins that had already been washed away?

Hiswordxray:

The Bible didn't say Jesus die to make forgiveness of sin but he die to take away our sin. Once he die all our sin were completely wash away.
" 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Heb 10:12-14).

"who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, " (1Pet 2:18)
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2Cor 5:20).

Its like u dont even know that " Satan is the ruler of the world" 1joh 5:19

Jesus know dis fact and called him " Ruler of dis world" joh 14:30

So how do u think a world ruled by satan will look like ?
Until Gods Kingdom is established on "EARTH" as Jesus prays in matt 6:9 !

The campaign for Gods Kingdom is goin on in som 236 countries NOW! Mat 24:14

Weah96:
Only ret)arded, or psychotic people, would imagine that eternally roasting someone is a reasonable punishment for one lifetime of offenses.

Idiots. How could a mother enjoy heaven knowing that her children are being roasted by the host of the place?

These stories must be learned in childhood.

You've said it all. It is indeed a demented concept, taken serious only by the brainwashed and imbeciles.

@ hiswordxray

Jesus knows d present world is "ruled by Satan " John 14:30, John 16:11 .

So he knows people will still continue to get sick, old and die (Rom 5:12) .... His promise is :

" I am the ressurection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me , Even though he dies will come to life" Joh 11:25

ROSSIKE:


You've said it all. It is indeed a demented concept, taken serious only by the brainwashed and imbeciles.

The word " hell" is never used in the original scriptures ! It was a tactic to control and loot the masses

God himself banned dis doctrine in Jeremiah 7:31, And Jeremiah 19:5

ROSSIKE:


You've said it all. It is indeed a demented concept, taken serious only by the brainwashed and imbeciles.

The word " hell" is never used in the original scriptures ! It was a tactic to control and loot the masses

God himself banned dis doctrine in Jeremiah 7:31, And Jeremiah 19:5

Just like science belief that the brain is dead at death and all consciousness is lost

Bible agrees saying " as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all" - Ecclesistes 9:5,10

CANTICLES:

Its like u dont even know that " Satan is the ruler of the world" 1joh 5:19

Jesus know dis fact and called him " Ruler of dis world" joh 14:30

So how do u think a world ruled by satan will look like ?
Until Gods Kingdom is established on "EARTH" as Jesus prays in matt 6:9 !

The campaign for Gods Kingdom is goin on in som 236 countries NOW! Mat 24:14

Ok let see what you are saying:
The wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the wages.
But since this world is ruled by the devil he would force us to pay the wages that Jesus had already paid.
And the God of justice will allow the devil request from us the wages that Jesus had already paid.

Then why did Jesus wasted his precious time on the cross?

CAPTIVATOR:
@ hiswordxray

Jesus knows d present world is "ruled by Satan " John 14:30, John 16:11 .

So he knows people will still continue to get sick, old and die (Rom 5:12) .... His promise is :

" I am the ressurection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me , Even though he dies will come to life" Joh 11:25

It like you don't know the meaning of salvation.
"He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love," (Col 1:13).
You are in this world but you are not under the reign of Satan. But you are above the ruler ship of Satan.
"whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the WORLD or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours." (1Cor 3:22)
"and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus," (Eph 2:6).
" 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. 22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things TO THE CHURCH, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all." (Eph 1:20-23)
"Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ d For indeed, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU.” (Luk 17:20-21)
"Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (Luk 12:32)

You are already in the kingdom of God and his kingdom is far above the kingdom of the devil.

Hiswordxray:

Ok let see what you are saying:
The wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the wages.
But since this world is ruled by the devil he would force us to pay the wages that Jesus had already paid.
And the God of justice will allow the devil request from us the wages that Jesus had already paid.

Then why did Jesus wasted his precious time on the cross?

If Jesus didnt come , what will happen .... We will all be dead ! Just like animals

When he came , show me where he says people wont die anymore since av died for you ??

This is what Jesus death makes possible for hopeless mankind:

" for death came thru a man ( Adam) and Ressurection of the dead through another man(Jesus) "

CAPTIVATOR:


If Jesus didnt come , what will happen .... We will all be dead ! Just like animals

When he came , show me where he says people wont die anymore since av died for you ??

This is what Jesus death makes possible for hopeless mankind:

" for death came thru a man ( Adam) and Ressurection of the dead through another man(Jesus) "

What I'm saying is that if your teaching is correct than nobody will died an even if they do all should resurrect again.
But if the whole world won't resurrect then your teaching is wrong from the root. You have to locate the root and cut it down.

Hiswordxray:

What I'm saying is that if your teaching is correct than nobody will died an even if they do all should resurrect again.
But if the whole world won't resurrect then your teaching is wrong from the root. You have to locate the root and cut it down.

Dats what u are sayin ..... NOT what the bible teach

Our lord Jesus didnt say everyone will resurect !

" he that exercise faith in me , even though he dies, will come to life" john 11:25

" God love the world so much , that he gave his only begotten son that whoseoever believe in him MIGHT NOT BE DESTROYED But have everlasting life " - john 3:16

Example of somone that will be destroyed withou an hope of ressurection is Judas Iscariot, " Son of destruction" John 17:12

This doesnt mean billions of humans wont be shown mercy :

" there is going to be a resurection of the righteous and the unrighteous" Act 24:15

Hiswordxray:

OK let me summarize all you have said:
wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the wages.
But everybody will have to pay this wages again.
And those who does not sin willfully will only pay a part of this wages by dying for a moment and resurrecting later.

So tell me how that teaching agrees with this verse - "Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).

You can't pay for sin twice that is what the Bible tells us. If God request for the payment of a sin twice then God is unjust.
Are you saying God is unjust?

HEllo! Good day.

If you can cool down and think about this. whose sin did Jesus came to pay for or release us from ?
Answer = Adam's sin. right ?

That ^ haven't been paid for, ALL mankind can now access God directly through Jesus Christ.

That is why he Jesus showed us the way forward, what need to be done, the way to life, what to do to get to the father, this is necessary as He had said.

hence, individual will be assessed not on Adam's sin, but on our own Obedience.

So, the way was open for all men to God, but not by force, hence, all individual have the opportunity to excersis their freewill voluntarily without compulsion to go to God or leave and the freewill to do this:

John 17:3
This is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The way was open after Adamic sin was paid for us to do the above, open to all Mankind. Acknowledged the giver of life, Obey him and live.

Peace.

Joshthefirst:
You don't believe in hell. It doesn't mean you're devoid of fear. Just means you're deep in denial.

Denial of what exactly ?

That God will Burn humans in fire for all eternity ? SMH for you.

It's a pity that you have not gotten over this Issue by now with proper research of the Bible.

SMH.

truthislight:


Denial of what exactly ?

That God will Burn humans in fire for all eternity ? SMH for you.

It's a pity that you have not gotten over this Issue by now with proper research of the Bible.

SMH.

Its a pity you still live in denial over a simple and clear issue.

Hell is real. But the mercy of God is real also. You cannot deny any element of scripture just because you think it 'harsh'

truthislight:


Denial of what exactly ?

That God will Burn humans in fire for all eternity ? SMH for you.

It's a pity that you have not gotten over this Issue by now with proper research of the Bible.

SMH.

You people are using your denial to supress your fears. Too bad. It doesn't change anything. Stop playing your game of denial with the scriptures. It won't help you. Hell fire is very real.

Joshthefirst:
Its a pity you still live in denial over a simple and clear issue.

Hell is real. But the mercy of God is real also. You cannot deny any element of scripture just because you think it 'harsh'

No no no!!!

You are not making any sense strictly speaking, the things you have just said is baseless.

What can be real about a word that was imported into the Bible via translation and never used by the writers ?

for the word "Hell" is a Latin word with a Pegan Latin meaning.

Jesus never made use of the word Hell, since the word usage in connection with the Bible started when the Greek scriptures was translated into Latin, meanwhile, Jesus spoke koine Greek/Hebrew languages.

How could Jesus A Jew made use of a Greek word to teach his Jewish brothers ?

The word Hell became common to all cause the Latin bible was refused translation for over 1000yrs, hence, the manuscript that became common to translators after 1000yrs was the Latin bible with the word Hell.

So, most translators carried that word Hell to their language translations.

If you wish, I will also Help you to see how Jesus made use of the word "fire" in the Bible.

Peace though.

truthislight:


No no no!!!

You are not making any sense strictly speaking, the things you have just said is baseless.

What can be real about a word that was imported into the Bible via translation and never used by the writers ?

for the word "Hell" is a Latin word with a Pegan Latin meaning.

Jesus never made use of the word Hell, since the word usage in connection with the Bible started when the Greek scriptures was translated into Latin, meanwhile, Jesus spoke koine Greek/Hebrew languages.

How could Jesus A Jew made use of a Greek word to teach his Jewish brothers ?

The word Hell became common to all cause the Latin bible was refused translation for over 1000yrs, hence, the manuscript that became common to translators after 1000yrs was the Latin bible with the word Hell.

So, most translators carried that word Hell to their language translations.

If you wish, I will also Help you to see how Jesus made use of the word "fire" in the Bible.

Peace though.

Bro you are just living in denial and self deceit. Here are the various ways Jesus described hell fire. Stop saying it as if its only the word hell that was used.


Jesus described it as everlasting fire in Mathew 18:8
Mathew 25:41.

Matthew 3:12 desribes it as unquenchable fire.

Mark 3:29 jesus called it eternal damnation.

Mark 9:47 says hell fire.
Mark 9:48 says its a fire that cannot be qenched.
Then the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 which you deceitfully call a parable. Stop deceiving yourself.

honourhim:

Jesus described it as everlasting fire in Mathew 18
.

Greek Gehenna appears in mark 9:47,48 NOT catholic tool of hell ..... Gehenna / Hebrew Gehinnom Valley Of Hinnom/is a geographical location NOT an unseen place of torment !!!

What is Everlasting Fire ?? ( jer 7:31)

Its a great mistake to refer to evelastin fire as a plot of land created by God to burn his own creatures! God state in Jer 7:31 " they burn their sons and daughters in the fire , something i have not commanded, and that had never even come into my heart" AND THAT HAD NEVER!!! NEVER!!! EVEN COME INTO MY HEART
Jesus knew dis scripture and wasnt contradicting it

Its repulsive to God , we are created in his image and dats why we humans find it repulsive to throw our son and daughter in the incinerator !!! And we label anyone dat does so as " cruel" , how much more God ?

Jesus used everlastin fire to denote complete destruction of d wicked --- check isaiah 66:24

Everlastin Fire is used to denote complete destruction - Jude 7

" in the same manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them, after they had ... Comited fornication ... Undergo the judicial purnishment of Everlating Fire" ! Lols , this doesnt mean fire is still burning in this Cities plus Sodom and Gomorrah ! The fire stopped burning some thousand years ago
Jesus said
they were " DESTROYED" LUK 17:29 and Jude 7 shows dat the destruction to ruin was eternal

Lol.

I have no time for brain washed religious fanatics who use the threat of fear to hold onto their members so that they will keep paying tithes and offerings.

There is no difference between you people and Boko Haram , in fact Boko Haram is better than your own terrorism because it lasts only for a small moment while your terror lasts for world without end, 1 million times worse than Boko Haram or any form of terror in the world.

Pal, go and make sure it is not Satan you are following.....

Lol

Hiswordxray:

Aeya, the truth that Hell last for eternity scares you to death. But you don't have to be scared of death.

if hell last for eternity , oya expain this verse

" and death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire , this is the second death " Rev 20:14 ? or are u lying ?

i will also like u to tell me if hell will be burning for eternity too ?