Empiree:
lol. .u and abdelkabir worried much about this. Well, that was copied as see written. Maybe I should have indicated that.

I do get their message they tried to pass but its transmission might not be appropriate. I dont have problems with it overall.

snapscore:


No I don't think that........I was just stating that women should try to follow the mother of the believers (may Allah be pleased with them) Just as the men should try to follow the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him). I wasn't aware of his views either. I mean the reason I commented was because I wanted to state that having the opinion that it is not an obligation to cook or clean isn't gynocentric and that it is a valid opinion in Islam. My posts have not been about anyone in particular just the ideas.

I follow this opinion because of the reason I follow the opinion that niqab (even with all it's goodness) is not obligatory.

I will assume this is about a housewife.

okay

Mama doesn't have to agree with everything really. I think the wife can try to cook for mama to make her feel loved and respected but if she cooked six days of the week and couldn't cook on one, it is okay.

I think and I may be wrong, that you are getting an idea because I am pro cooking is not an obligation, you assume I mean a women shouldn't do it all, which isn't what I mean. I don't see anything wrong with eating out a few times during the week. I mean after cooking maybe like 4-5 times, I could call and be like hey I am really exhausted today, I don't think I will not be able to make dinner before you get back, do you mind getting something from a restaurant. And he will either be like yeah sure, I don't mind or I will come make and you something. *probably will get that response in my dream* so just eat out or buy something to eat.

I am not sure why you are getting the idea that I have the mentality that it is just a favour. My whole point ( well the point I have been trying to make) is that men should be more understanding. I think they will be more understanding if they see cooking and cleaning as voluntary.

AbdelKabir:



because its easier?

not only housewife(full) but a woman thatthat works maybe 8 to 4 or 9 to 5, also a woman that had a business set up for her by her husband.....perhaps you might need to define what you mean by "full time working"..

hope this "okay" means "okay"?? ya'ni you didn't "yinmu" when typing the "okay"...

well i said it at first and yoy didnt say anything on it, so i assumed silence means affirmation, but since is not the ideology you are passing across, mafi mushkilah....

busar:
Now, a maid is someone who is *paid* just to clean a home. A cook is someone who is *paid* just to cook and serve food. A prostitute is someone who is *paid* just to...You get the gist.
Comparing wifely duties in an inappropriate way is... inappropriate.
Sister said, I'm not obligated to cook and clean for my husband, I'm not his maid or his cook, but he is obligated to work and provide for me. Where they do that at? She even said if he wants all that he should hire a maid and a cook.
Wallāhi I hate the Internet.
Copied!
Brothers, please find out who you're marrying beforehand. They're doing too much with this gynocentrism.

Ssthorm:

It is reported that a man once came to Umar, the second Caliph, with the intention of bringing to his notice certain complaints he had against his wife. When he reached the door of Umars house, he heard the Caliphs wife railing against him....
Hearing this, he went back as he thought that the Caliph himself was in the same predicament and could, therefore, be hardly expected to set matters right for him.Umar, coming out of his house, saw the person going back. So he called him out and inquired as to the purpose which had brought him to his house. He said that he had come to him with some complaints against his wife, but turned back on finding that the Caliph himself was subject to the same treatment from his wife...
`Umar said to him that he patiently bore the excesses of his wife because she had certain rights over him; is it not true that she cooks my food, washes my clothes and suckles my children, thus reliving me of the necessity of employing a cook, a washerman and a nurse although she is not in the slightest degree responsible for this?
Not only that, I enjoy peace of mind on account of her and I am protected from committing the sin of adultery. In view of these advantages, I put up with her excesses. You should also do the same.

I wud like to believe this was narrated in all honesty,if the caliph said dese words den y r some scholars saying its obligatory,il need some enlightmnt on dis

Cuz eva since iv bn hearn live lectures,household chores hv nt bn made amongst obligations,an obligation means not doing it is HARAM. [s]n d issue of a wife obeying her husband wen he asks ha to do things is in relation to d religion n not "wash my clothes" or "cook my food".[/s] Howeva it is naturaly expected for a wife or mom to cook,bt its not compulsory

AbdelKabir:


The books this hadeeth was mentioned like kitaab kabaa'ir of Adh-Dhahabi was mentioned without any chain, even when a shaafi'i scholar wanted to mention it, he said it should ne noted that all it said was "it was reported....." no chain, nothing! so in essense we are not sure if its authentic or not......people cared less about it since it wasnt attributed to the prophet...



the ones that said its compulsory said so, cuz stories like the one you brought has not been established to be authentic, since there is no chain....



This is true, one of the reasons why i believe its not compulsory is, you can't say its haraam for falling short at times.......The bold part is true to some % since there is a possibility of it being compulsory as some scholars stated, and the narration you brought is not established. barakallaahu feeki.

busar:
I was about to say this but you've pointed it out already.... JazaakallAhu khayran

Emp.iree:
Still on it

AbdelKabir:


The books this hadeeth was mentioned like kitaab kabaa'ir of Adh-Dhahabi was mentioned without any chain, even when a shaafi'i scholar wanted to mention it, he said it should ne noted that all it said was "it was reported....." no chain, nothing! so in essense we are not sure if its authentic or not......people cared less about it since it wasnt attributed to the prophet...



the ones that said its compulsory said so, cuz stories like the one you brought has not been established to be authentic, since there is no chain....



This is true, one of the reasons why i believe its not compulsory is, you can't say its haraam for falling short at times.......The bold part is true to some % since there is a possibility of it being compulsory as some scholars stated, and the narration you brought is not established. barakallaahu feeki.

snapscore:
^^
I don't think that's what he meant.

busar:
No matter how beautiful a shoes is, it is valueless without its pair , a man is not complete without his better half.
Best days ahead
To all the intending couples

busar:
Some brothers be like (when they want to propose to a sister);
Brother: Salam alaykum
Sister: Wa alaykum salam
Brother: how daddy and mummy
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah
Brother: how mummy and daddy
Sister: fine alhamduliLlah
Brother: how (your) brothers and sisters
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah
Brother: how sisters and brothers
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah.
Brother: hehe (stammering), how is everything.
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah.
If sister shout at them, they will say she's too harsh. You are a man be #bold.
If you can not, visit her waliy
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busar:
Some brothers be like (when they want to propose to a sister);
Brother: Salam alaykum
Sister: Wa alaykum salam
Brother: how daddy and mummy
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah
Brother: how mummy and daddy
Sister: fine alhamduliLlah
Brother: how (your) brothers and sisters
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah
Brother: how sisters and brothers
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah.
Brother: hehe (stammering), how is everything.
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah.
If sister shout at them, they will say she's too harsh. You are a man be #bold.
If you can not, visit her waliy
Copied......

busar:
Some brothers be like (when they want to propose to a sister);
Brother: Salam alaykum
Sister: Wa alaykum salam
Brother: how daddy and mummy
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah
Brother: how mummy and daddy
Sister: fine alhamduliLlah
Brother: how (your) brothers and sisters
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah
Brother: how sisters and brothers
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah.
Brother: hehe (stammering), how is everything.
Sister: fine, alhamduliLlah.
If sister shout at them, they will say she's too harsh. You are a man be #bold.
If you can not, visit her waliy
Copied......

Rilwayne001:

Replace brother with Demmzy15 please

Rilwayne001:

Replace brother with Demmzy15 please

busar:
Demmzy15 has been busted

busar:
Demmzy15 has been busted

You people should leaf me o!