aytuns:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS... weird and funny people.

well I believe in God, I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe in the Holy Spirit, and I believe in my Bible..

Maybe blindly, but it's all I've got to try understand the reason for my being here on earth.

say all you will, but the bible alone gives the best reason for human existence, the Big Bang Theory, the Evolution theory still cannot account for how I'm alive, nor do they account for my ability to think, make decisions, for ability to speak, how I'm not an animal, how I'm not a plant, the different races that exists on earth and many other profound questions that further proves the existence of a supreme being, the almighty God who created the world and all things for His pleasure.

Wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, the image you see was not be accident, but by design.. why aren't you nose in a different place or your mouth constructed differently, what of those of the animals, or plants? why does the earth posses so much mineral, have the ability to hold crops and buildings. what is holding/supporting the earth?

science has taken us beyond the skies which is fantastic, and we've realized that the earth and bother planets are held in place by the gravitational pull of the sun, yet what holds the sun? how did other planets and universe come to be...

who created the universe, who created the planets, who created animals, who created plants, who created man, who gave us life, who gave us the ability we have to dominate over other creations.?.

GOD.. GOD ALONE.

LordReed:


God of the gaps. Your god always retreats with the acquisition of scientific knowledge, what a sham.

aytuns:


please explain this retreat tactic you are proposing. cos I instead see it as a wonderful thing that humans are constantly on the quest to unveil the marvelous creation of God. Everyday something new is being found, some new discovery come up, meaning there are still tonnes of trillion things out there that God has created only waiting to be discovered.

If Ben Carson was able to discover the hand work of God in His field of Neurosurgery, I think every human with working sensory organs can vividly see, feel, taste, hear and feel the handwritings of God in the world we live in. Once again, look in the mirror, and appreciate that wonderful designer.

it's impossible to miss.

LordReed:


And what makes you think all the things you see and feel are from the god? If you see a BMW and feel it is a Benz does it make it a Benz? Feelings are not a reliable method of determining what is true.

As for the god of the gaps phenomena, god believers always push god past the current limits scientific knowledge. When we couldn't fly god was in the skies then we got there and they say the god is in space. We get to space then they say the god is beyond space and time. Your god is never able to be reached by any conventional means and when asked repeatedly how we can know this god exists, you guys are unable to offer up anything more than feelings or faith.

aytuns:


and who gave humans the ability to reason? why not animals... why can't they be the ones to make researches? why not plants? what's the origin of the human race? who gave us the ability to go beyond our comfort zones and experiment, research and improve our ways of thinking?

and to correct you, God is everywhere. He is in n the skies and on the earth, he is in the seas and our entire solar system.. His greatness and grandeur is too great for humans to qualify nor quantify... that's why Moses who spent just 40 days in his presence (not seeing Him though) has to use a veil to cover his face when he returned to camp of Israel.. in fact when Moses asked God to allow him see Him, God expressly to Moses, He will die.. cos no Human can behold the presence of God and live.. Moses was only privileged to see God's shadow.

so your claim of searching for God is false already.

GOD is already here with us, and His presence is everywhere, in all we do, that's why there's nothing you do that is hidden from Him, and on the Judgement day, we all will account for all we've done here on earth. both good and bad.

So if you want to see him, then live a righteous life here on earth and make Heaven. There you'll get to see and be with Him for Eternity.

LordReed:


Unverifable tales of burning bushes and talking snakes is hardly evidence of anything. Or else every fantastical tale we've ever heard from talking wise tortoise to Alibaba and the 40 thieves will become evidence.

All your argument amounts to is "I don't know, therefore god".

I will live a good life not because of a god and I highly doubt there's any heaven or eternity because for one there is no proof of such things.

LordReed:


This is a joke right? It is like saying there's no compelling evidence for light. Light and all wireless technology utilize the electromagnetic spectrum, all of them are testable, repeatable and measurable. Can we get same for "spiritual"?

aytuns:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS... weird and funny people.

well I believe in God, I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe in the Holy Spirit, and I believe in my Bible..

Maybe blindly, but it's all I've got to try understand the reason for my being here on earth.

say all you will, but the bible alone gives the best reason for human existence, the Big Bang Theory, the Evolution theory still cannot account for how I'm alive, nor do they account for my ability to think, make decisions, for ability to speak, how I'm not an animal, how I'm not a plant, the different races that exists on earth and many other profound questions that further proves the existence of a supreme being, the almighty God who created the world and all things for His pleasure.

Wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, the image you see was not be accident, but by design.. why aren't you nose in a different place or your mouth constructed differently, what of those of the animals, or plants? why does the earth posses so much mineral, have the ability to hold crops and buildings. what is holding/supporting the earth?

science has taken us beyond the skies which is fantastic, and we've realized that the earth and bother planets are held in place by the gravitational pull of the sun, yet what holds the sun? how did other planets and universe come to be...

who created the universe, who created the planets, who created animals, who created plants, who created man, who gave us life, who gave us the ability we have to dominate over other creations.?.

GOD.. GOD ALONE.

CodeSapien:
The spiritual is faith and uprightness based, can we measure faith or uprightness reliably? No.

aytuns:


well there is proof of Heaven and Hell.. read your Bible.

Tales (as you call them) from the bible have been verified over and over again, google will help you out .

your doubt of God's existence doesn't, and cannot negate His existence, neither will it add a single benefit to God himself, rather it will bring peace to you to acknowledge His existence and wonders in your life.

psalm 14:1-2
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is none who does good.
The LORD looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understands,
who seek after God...

like I've said... your decision to deny Gods existence doesn't negate His existence, instead it reinforces it, because while you'll keep look for every means to discredit His works, your very existence, the fact that you can reply via mobile/pc is already a vivid example and enough proof to validate God's works and existence.

Good night sir. have a wonderful night rest.

visita:
Look at how you're contradicting yourself, you're not an animal but you exhibit all the characteristics of an animal. If you say you're not an animal or a plant, then what are you? Monera or Protoctista?

LordReed:


The bible is not evidence, it is full of fantastical claims that have not 1 single evidence. A 6 day creation? None. Noah's flood? None. Noah's ark? None. Sun standing still? None. You are not the first to ask me to Google it. Sure Google has been a good friend and shown me that all the claims of finding evidence of Noah's ark and Goliath's bones are all false.

I don't deny the existence of the god, I just don't have any evidence upon which I can accept that such a being exists.

It was not the god that made the technology we use so it is not evidence for the god either.

Have a good day.

aytuns:


you don't deny His existence yet you seek further evidence to prove His existence? Don't be in denial. He is real whether you accept Him or not. and all evidences you need are already available. I'll say again, just look in the mirror, and appreciate the handwork or the great designer.

aytuns:


Lol... I understand you'll find every means to pick at my words... but in doing so, PLEASE DON'T equate yourself to a dog, a goat, a cow, a chicken even an ape or a gorilla..

I'm very sure you understand what I mean in all my responses. because you are a human, a higher being God has created to dominate over all creatures. If science classifies humans in the Animal kingdom, it doesn't mean we are of the animal level. No wonder it's even insulting to term someone "an animal"

aytuns:


you don't deny His existence yet you seek further evidence to prove His existence? Who gave humans the ability to think and develop new technologies? Who told the fish remain in water and gave them capabilities to breath in water? who gave birds wings for flight and abilities to fly? who made the different species of animals we have today and many still undiscovered?

Don't be in denial. He is real whether you accept Him or not. and all evidences you need are already available. I'll say again, just look in the mirror, and appreciate the handwork or the great designer.

Have a wonderful day ahead.

aytuns:
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS... weird and funny people.
THEISTS, CLOWNS. TERRIBLE ILLOGICAL PEOPLE.

well I believe in God, I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe in the Holy Spirit, and I believe in my Bible..
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM IF YOU'RE NOT WAVING THE FLAGS ON MY WAY.

Maybe blindly, but it's all I've got to try understand the reason for my being here on earth.
THAT IS EXACTLY BECAUSE YOU WERE RAISED RELIGIOUS.

say all you will, but the bible alone gives the best reason for human existence,
THE BEST WHAT?
ADAM, EVE, AND THREE SONS, WHO ARE ALL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST... BIRTHED THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE?
OH... I FORGOT ABOUT NOAH'S FAMILY BANGING EACHOTHER TO PRODUCE YOUR AFRICAN ANCESTORS.

the Big Bang Theory, the Evolution theory still cannot account for how I'm alive, nor do they account for my ability to think, make decisions, for ability to speak, how I'm not an animal, how I'm not a plant,
SIMPLY BIOLOGY SIR. YOU'RE CLASSIFIED AS AN ANIMAL. LOL.

the different races that exists on earth and many other profound questions that further proves the existence of a supreme being, the almighty God who created the world and all things for His pleasure.
EXACTLY SOMETHING A PERSON BROUGHT UP BY RELIGIOUS PARENTS WOULD SAY.

Wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, the image you see was not be accident, but by design.. why aren't you nose in a different place or your mouth constructed differently,
IF WE HAD NOSES ON OUR FOREHEADS YOU'D STILL SAY WE'RE GOD'S PERFECT WORK.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THINGS AN IGNORANT, UNINFORMED RELIGIOUS PERSON WOULD SAY. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE HUMAN BODY IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPERFECT THINGS IN EXISTENCE. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW AND CANNOT KNOW BECAUSE YOU ONLY WANT TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT TO BELIEVE BY YOUR RELIGIOUS FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

what of those of the animals, or plants? why does the earth posses so much mineral, have the ability to hold crops and buildings. what is holding/supporting the earth?
QUESTIONS OF A REALLY SLOW ILLITERATE MAN.
ASSUMING THERE'S SOMETHING HOLDING THE EARTH, THEN IT MUST BE YOUR GOD?
NOT MY OWN GOD OR THE GREEK GODS, BUT YOUR OWN GOD?
HA.

science has taken us beyond the skies which is fantastic, and we've realized that the earth and bother planets are held in place by the gravitational pull of the sun, yet what holds the sun? how did other planets and universe come to be...
who created the universe, who created the planets, who created animals, who created plants, who created man, who gave us life, who gave us the ability we have to dominate over other creations.?.
YOU ALREADY REJECTED ALL THE SCIENTIFIC THEORIES FOR THESE QUESTIONS, SO IT'S CLEAR YOU DON'T NEED ANSWERS BECAUSE "GODDIDIT!"


GOD.. GOD ALONE.
WHICH ONE??

aytuns:


well there is proof of Heaven and Hell.. read your Bible.
WELL THERE IS PROOF FOR SPIDER MAN AND SANDMAN. READ YOUR MARVEL BOOKS.


Tales (as you call them) from the bible have been verified over and over again, google will help you out .
GOOGLE VERIFIED A TALKING SNAKE? OR THAT WE'RE DESCENDANTS OF THREE MEN?


your doubt of God's existence doesn't, and cannot negate His existence,
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST. IF HE DOES, WE WILL KNOW THIS JUST LIKE WE KNOW THE SUN SHINES.

neither will it add a single benefit to God himself, rather it will bring peace to you to acknowledge His existence and wonders in your life.
WITH ALL YOUR RELIGION YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME WHEN IT COMES TO PEACE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE EARTH. LIFE BEATS US BOTH BLACK AND BLUE.

psalm 14:1-2
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is none who does good.
A FOOL SAYS IT EVERYWHERE, "THERE'S GOD", AND THEN GOES ON TO COMMIT ABOMINATIONS AND ATROCITIES.

your very existence, the fact that you can reply via mobile/pc is already a vivid example and enough proof to validate God's works and existence.
THIS PERSON IS MENTAL.

Good night sir. have a wonderful night rest.
WE'RE NOT DONE WITH YOU. COME BACK!

LordReed:


You are so high that the differnce in DNA between you and a chimpanzee is 1%. You are so high that animals are superior to you in almost every physical category, they can have better eyesight, they can be stronger, have more endurance, bigger joysticks, longer orgasms, longer life spans, etc.

The one thing that puts you ahead is your increased capacity for cogitation and that has made you conceited into thinking the universe was made for you. Such conceit.

CAPSLOCKED:


EARTH WAS BUILT FOR US BY GOD, IS A STATEMENT FROM THESE FOOLISH PEOPLE.

THIS PLANET IS NOT OURS.
70% WATER AND WE CANNOT BREATHE UNDERWATER?
30% LAND THAT IS MOSTLY INHABITABLE?
VOLCANOES? TSUNAMIS AND EARTHQUAKES?
TOXIC PLANTS, WILD ANIMALS AND POISONOUS REPTILES.. ALL LOOKING TO KILL US.

I LIKE TO THINK WE'RE HERE BY MISTAKE BECAUSE NOTHING ABOUT THIS EARTH IS IN OUR FAVOR.

joseph1013:
"Enslavement is almost ubiquitous in human history. What made Atlantic slavery unique was its vast, industrial scale, its racial determinism, and its absolute nature, in which slaves’ legal status was hardly distinct from that of animals.

One of the few good things to have emerged from it is the modern conviction that slavery in any form is unacceptable. That judgment would have seemed almost incomprehensible to most of our premodern forebears.

Slavery was often compared to poverty: an inescapable fact of life, which individuals might escape but which could hardly be abolished. What better alternative was there for the destitute, prisoners of war, or conquered peoples?

Even now, when slavery is formally illegal throughout the world, tens of millions of people endure some form of it. One of the things that human beings do is enslave other human beings.

The Bible is full of both matter-of-fact references to enslavement and regulations governing slavery. Christianity was formed in the Roman Empire, one of the most slave-based societies ever seen. The early Christians’ response to this situation was characteristically spiritualizing and nonconfrontational.

They insisted on the spiritual equality of all believers. St. Paul taught that in Christ the distinction between slave and free vanishes, and he spoke of being freed from spiritual enslavement.

But this led him and others to conclude that physical slavery was of little consequence and that Christian slaves ought humbly to submit to the masters whom God has providentially given them. Indeed, Paul once sent a Christian runaway slave back to his Christian master, urging the master to receive and forgive the slave as a brother in Christ, but not suggesting that the man be freed.

In ancient times, for individual Christians to free their slaves was seen as a work of exceptional piety, but there was no shame in not doing so. Nor were Christian slave masters always models of loving kindness: so we learn from a fifth-century bronze neck collar unearthed in Sardinia, stamped with the words “I am the slave of archdeacon Felix: hold me so that I do not flee.”"

~ Alec Ryrie's "Protestants: The Faith That Made the Modern World"

LordReed:


One excuse I see from Christians on why the god did not abolish slavery in the commandments given to the Israelites is "what would they have done with all their enemies?". So you mean your all wise, all powerful god could think of no other way to solve this issue? You mean men thousands of years later are better at providing solutions to such issues than your all wise god? Wow.

CAPSLOCKED:
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joseph1013:
I CAN'T MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER

A pastor friend complained that my arguments are "purely intellectual rhetoric out of touch with reality". He asked, "Do you suppose that such life's complexities and clear patterns of order in the universe could have come about by some unguided impersonal force?"

This is how I answered him.

"Consider the following two statements:

1) Either (a) life was created by an intelligent entity or (b) it was not.

2) Either (a) the god of the Hebrews is real or (b) the god of the Hebrews was invented like thousands of other gods.

............

For example, you may not be able to conceive of a way in which a 350-tonne machine could travel at 36,000 ft for 4,000 miles at 560 mph carrying 400 humans but that does not mean it is impossible.

Your inability to conceive how something happens only tells us about your limitations--it tells us nothing about the limitations of nature.

.......

My position is 100% rational; your position is 100% non-rational. I can't make it any clearer than this.