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But Catholics believe that Mary appeared to those 3 children in Fatima and other stories of how she appeared to other people!

Catholics have the highest population of Christians in the world! If they can believe all those Mary appearance stories, then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't believe those heaven and hell visitation stories!

BTW the hell and heaven visitors can claim that John also saw a similar vision, but the guests of Mary don't have any biblical claim!
Many have claimed to die, saw vision of Heaven and Hell. but I have few questions.

it's one thing for Mary to appear (that's an apparition actually), but visiting heaven and hell? As in, leaving the earthly plane to enter heaven and hell? The Catholic church does not regard such visions

benromeo39:
1) staunch Muslims are the best suicide bombers, how do you think they are brainwashed?

Staunch jews? You have to get your research done, everybody might not believe in Jesus christ, but majority of people believe in heaven.

Heaven is not necessarily a place to most people, there isn't much written about it anywhere, most people see it as eternal peace after death or a place of comfort only those who lived fulfilled lives can enter.

As for the staunch catholics, you are wrong, catholics these days are even hybrids, they pray with violence unlike a decade ago where they be like "oh blessed Mary comfort and guide us" in a slow and rhythmic tone.

They believe in heaven, try to attend any catholic church.

2) it is impossible to have the same hypothesis about two sides of the same thing, be it reflection, refraction, a coin, or even heaven and hell.

These questions are easy to answer because everything that was, that is and that will be has been documented in the journal of creation and life; the bible.

Asking you to start studying from genesis to revelation is punishment, use online bibles, they are faster and more effective.

Guy if u don't hav things to say pls stop blabbing
U just mention genesis to Revelation, glad u a since of d bible small,
When d mention revelation Dose not mean punishment or d end (continuity) pls find out from ur pastor

Constructive views-0.1%

Blindside Intellectual views-23%


adonbilivit Intellectual views-56.9%

inbetween-20%


before this became a norm in AFRICA, many Whites had these visions, we no talk or brush aside. Ignoramuses surfaces only 78hours to New year.

(wondering and pondering)

Did doctrine has been exciting b4 any religion was formed or revealed, since science can't prove it really there,
To me there are all Myths

Jude Chapter One

safarigirl:
it's one thing for Mary to appear (that's an apparition actually), but visiting heaven and hell? As in, leaving the earthly plane to enter heaven and hell? The Catholic church does not regard such visions

LOL!
I'm 100% sure that if someone visits heaven. and hell and says some sweet things about Mary which will please the Catholic folks and the Pope, they'll start to celebrate the person, and finally make the person a saint after he dies!

Surprisingly I'm a Catholic, but I'm trying to be objective as possible! Removing every form of sentiments!

UncleSnr:
Many have claimed to die, saw vision of Heaven and Hell. but I have few questions.

1. Why is it only the Pentecostal/ Charismatics that see these stuff?
Okay let me explain, I have never heard an orthodox Jew, Stunch Catholics or Muslim writing about heaven.

2. Why do they give different views of Heaven and Hell? Different authors usually give different views/perspective of Heaven and Hell, is it that God do take them to different angles of this magnificent abode?

Your matured discussion will be welcomed.

you'll keep getting confused cos that's what both religion is about. Confusing their sheep and planting fear inside them




Religion is a fraud !

heaven and hell are conditions on earth. the white man is in heaven and the black man is in hell. esau and jacob. one is exalted while one is demoted. there is a deep gulf of divide between them so they are like see-saws. while one is down, the other is up. heaven and hell. this is why every black man wants to run to heaven ( england and america and anywhere white people are ). cuz they are tired of living in hell

psalms 9 vs 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God

If u say nobody has seen heaven or hell, then its a lie. Our Lord Jesus Christ explain heaven and hell, he said heaven is beautiful and has many mansion and hell is a place that burns with fire and brimstone and its has worms that torment. He gave account of Lazarus and the rich man, hw was that possible, because he was there to know what happened in the spirit realm. He also gave the revelation to John who was a human who saw heaven and hell and things to come. I can't say the accounts we hear from most people that they have seen heaven or hell is true, but remember the bible says that in the last days people will see visions and dreams and also its going to be a troublulous times of disasters and wars (mthw 24). That's to tell u that we are in the last days. So if people claim they see heaven or hell, I think God decided to give them the opportunity in other to spread the gospel and has a fulfilment to the bible prophecies. I kn satan also will use the opportunity to decieve many because the bible has already said so (I timothy 4 n II tim 3). Just know of a surety that heaven and hell is real and that we are in the last days. Match every revelation with the scripture, if its contradict, then don't believe it. Also remember Paul the spoke about someone who went to heaven and came back (II cor 12)

UncleSnr:
Many have claimed to die, saw vision of Heaven and Hell. but I have few questions.

1. Why is it only the Pentecostal/ Charismatics that see these stuff?
Okay let me explain, I have never heard an orthodox Jew, Stunch Catholics or Muslim writing about heaven.

2. Why do they give different views of Heaven and Hell? Different authors usually give different views/perspective of Heaven and Hell, is it that God do take them to different angles of this magnificent abode?

Your matured discussion will be welcomed.

Now here you missed it

Catholic Buddhist Muslim see vision of hell

Can you pls google NDE testimonies and read it

God has the right without question to choose anybody he likes. However making them see heaven and hell is for a purpose. It is not for the fun of it. In fact they have many things to accomplish.

If your life is not in God's approve standard or holiness is far from you. Reading what they see about heaven and hell will confuse you cos your heart is far from God and the devil is in control of it. The devil will give you every reason to oppose, reject, doubt, and mock the description of heaven and hell. He will be very glad once you are doing it.

Anybody living in any kind of sin (secret, deceptive, etc) is only joining forces with devil to fight God.

Don't be deceived, the same devil and demons her vest the soul of a sinner. We will all be accountable when we die.

Choose this day whom you will serve.

Experiences
SHAWN W. LARSON SEPTEMBER 15, 2013A feeling of weightlessness. A bright light at the end of a warm tunnel. The ability to see your own body below you, and friends or loved ones—who passed away years ago—now surrounding you in absolute peace. These are just a few of the things described by people who have had a near-death experience. And not all of them are as positive. Some recount a visit to hell, where they were overcome with fear and hopelessness, and even tortured by demons.While many in the scientific community are skeptical of these accounts, others believe they offer the most definitive proof of life after death we might ever encounter. And though the debate continues, one thing is for certain: These people insist what they went through was life-altering. But by all means, feel free to judge for yourself.10 Veronika-Ulrike BarthelVeronika Barthel says that, after being struck by lightning while driving her car one day in 1981, she was instantly transported into hell, where she found demons escorting her into a big waiting room. “The creatures that I saw there were more terrifying than anything I even saw in a horror movie. Today I know that they were demons. As soldiers they where marching past me, and in the middle of them were people that were screaming with pain. It was very difficult to breathe down there, because of the terrible smell of this place. I saw a lake, which looked like the inner part of a volcano, where people were cursing because of great pain.”She says that she saw people being thrown into caves, which were guarded by demons, who threw spears at them as they screamed. She also recalled snakes being present all over the ground, which were there to frighten and intimidate the people in hell. After her experience, Veronika found herself transported back into her car, where for a moment, she saw her own burning hands gripping the steering wheel.





9 Howard StormOnce a self-described “double atheist” and “know-it all college professor,” Howard Storm was leading a three-week European art tour with his students when he retired to his hotel room in France on the last day of the trip. Without warning, he suddenly screamed and dropped to the floor, prompting his wife to call for help. At the hospital, the news was grim: Howard had a perforated stomach that required surgery, and if he didn’t get it soon, he would die. The wait for a doctor to arrive at the hospital was lengthy—so much so, that Howard turned to his wife at one point and said his final farewell to her, insisting that he was moments from death. That’s when he recalled finding himself standing next to his own body (which was still on the hospital bed) and feeling more alive than ever, with no more stomach pain. Soon after, he heard unfamiliar voices calling to him.“Come with us,” they said. “Hurry up, let’s go. We’ve been waiting for you.” After calling out to his wife and getting no response, he began to follow the voices, which led him out of the room and down a long, dark hallway. He followed them for so long, and became so increasingly terrified, that he told the voices he wasn’t going any further. Then they attacked him.“We had a big fight and the fight turned into them annihilating me, which they did slowly and with much relish,” he says. “Mostly they were biting and tearing at me. This went on for a long time. They did other things to humiliate and violate me which I don’t talk about.” Collapsed on the ground, Howard began reciting The Lord’s Prayer, after hearing a soft voice tell him to “Pray to God.” After saying a few other other prayers, he said that Jesus personally saved him from the demons, and sent him back to Earth, telling him to live his life differently. Storm’s book, My Descent Into Death, was published in 2000.8 Dr. Mary NealDuring a kayaking trip in 1999, Dr. Mary Neal became pinned under the water when her kayak capsized, making it impossible for her to breathe for anywhere between 15 and 25 minutes. That’s when she says she experienced a near-death experience that brought her into the presence of God, Jesus, and angels. During the experience, God told her that her family would be facing an upcoming tragedy and would need her to help them through. Specifically, her nine-year-old son Willie was going to die—but she wasn’t told when, where, or how. Ten years later, at age 19, Willie was killed in a car accident in Maine by a driver who was on his cell phone.


Mary is convinced Jesus helped her under the water, making it possible for rescue workers to revive her following the kayaking accident. She awoke with two broken legs and lung complications, and spent a month in the hospital, followed by six weeks in a wheelchair. She wrote a book called, To Heaven And Back, which was published in May 2012

safarigirl:
it's one thing for Mary to appear (that's an apparition actually), but visiting heaven and hell? As in, leaving the earthly plane to enter heaven and hell? The Catholic church does not regard such visions

If you doubt you ar free to go into coma or animation to understand the other plane

If you can't achieve it commit suicide but don't kill yourself ..this will give you a view of hell and heaven

Doubt but visit

The choice is yours

There are things you don't know and do not come publicly to doubt it. People have seen it and if I start telling you stories you will shudder

So it left for you to do the needful

djeezy:
They tell us that God will gather us in hell, tie us to a spike and roast us in the lake of fire. Well I say that's one hell of a barbecue. When we burn for eternity, that's heck of a long time to get used to the fire na!!!

[i][quote author=djeezy post=29269202]
am sure if you were when you were a foetus in mother's wind that soon you will be joking on a journey to a location that is a billion times bigger than you present location, you will disagree, just like you are doing now. its beyond comprehension for you now to imagine hell abi? Just continue in your disbelieve until the certainty(death) will get to you!
to the main issue, Muslims do not need visions to know what heaven or hell looks like. both were discribed in details. This description is to act as motivation for all irrespective of the kind of motivation works for you, positive or negative.

God can show anyone he desires hell or heaven for evangelistic purposes,what about Prophet Ezekiel in the Bible and JOHN in the REVELATIONS? Even Moses have to admonish GOD THAT HE WANTS To see him

Adamidi:
hahaha... this bastard no go kill me wth laughter .
anyway half like for u

UncleSnr:
Many have claimed to de, saw vision of Heaven and Hell. but I have few questions.

1. Why is it only the Pentecostal/ Charismatics that see these stuff?
Okay let me explain, I have never heard an orthodox Jew, Stunch Catholics or Muslim writing about heaven.

2. Why do they give different views of Heaven and Hell? Different authors usually give different views/perspective of Heaven and Hell, is it that God do take them to different angles of this magnificent abode?

Your matured discussion will be welcomed.

1. On such topic like this silence is golden so that one will not blaspheme. The Bible says every idle word proceeding from ones mouth and every work shall be brought to judgement.
I may disagree with you on about saying its only Pentecostas that God has

homesteady:


LOL!
I'm 100% sure that if someone visits heaven. and hell and says some sweet things about Mary which will please the Catholic folks and the Pope, they'll start to celebrate the person, and finally make the person a saint after he dies!

Surprisingly I'm a Catholic, but I'm trying to be objective as possible! Removing every form of sentiments!

so not true. The catholic church does not accept every claim of seeing jesus, mary and what so ever. They are lots of people(catholics) whose apparition have been deemed false by catholic church. Before the catholic church accepts a claimed vision, it does its best to investigate the authenticity of the vision. Research thoroughly before you talk

benromeo39:
[i][font=Georgia]1) staunch Muslims are the best suicide bombers, how do you think they are brainwashed?

Ur generalisation here, doesn't go and most people think of heaven as a place. Care to shed more light?

benromeo39:
1) staunch Muslims are the best suicide bombers, how do you think they are brainwashed?

Staunch jews? You have to get your research done, everybody might not believe in Jesus christ, but majority of people believe in heaven.

Heaven is not necessarily a place to most people, there isn't much written about it anywhere, most people see it as eternal peace after death or a place of comfort only those who lived fulfilled lives can enter.

As for the staunch catholics, you are wrong, catholics these days are even hybrids, they pray with violence unlike a decade ago where they be like "oh blessed Mary comfort and guide us" in a slow and rhythmic tone.

They believe in heaven, try to attend any catholic church.

2) it is impossible to have the same hypothesis about two sides of the same thing, be it reflection, refraction, a coin, or even heaven and hell.

These questions are easy to answer because everything that was, that is and that will be has been documented in the journal of creation and life; the bible.

Asking you to start studying from genesis to revelation is punishment, use online bibles, they are faster and more effective.

my dear next tym try to understand before replying a trend. the writer never said there is no heaven he is just questioning the validity of visions of heaven and hell

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." - Luke 16:25-31

Also, 1 Corinthians 2:9-10

kevoh:

E pain am... Truth is bitter.

what truth did u speak...uve made absolutely no sense.

zeetyzin:

what truth did u speak...uve made absolutely no sense.

E pain you too. Oya join the club.

heykims:
The problem with all these men of God is that most were called but missed the calls, they now wanna dial God's number by force by fire...

Some might just have received incomplete txt msgs due to poor ntwrk. Mtn n company sef no dey help matters.

UncleSnr:
Many have claimed to die, saw vision of Heaven and Hell. but I have few questions.

1. Why is it only the Pentecostal/ Charismatics that see these stuff?
Okay let me explain, I have never heard an orthodox Jew, Stunch Catholics or Muslim writing about heaven.

2. Why do they give different views of Heaven and Hell? Different authors usually give different views/perspective of Heaven and Hell, is it that God do take them to different angles of this magnificent abode?

Your matured discussion will be welcomed.

Chai! Op please always do vivid research before writing embarrassing and bias contents on a public and popular forum like naira land.

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=14322

This is just one of many many testimonies of heaven,hell and Jesus.

And please check again, all the stories have significant similarities.

chidiebere2020:
Bible made it clear that heaven an hell exist, those people that sees vision might b sayin d truth, I have read several people acount base on people that died and rise and people that sees vision, most of them are sayin dsame thing, is just 4 us to use our tongue count our teeth......................

And is their account the same?

kevoh:

E pain you too. Oya join the club.

..mumu....get a life.

tonychristopher:


If you doubt you ar free to go into coma or animation to understand the other plane

If you can't achieve it commit suicide but don't kill yourself ..this will give you a view of hell and heaven

Doubt but visit

The choice is yours

There are things you don't know and do not come publicly to doubt it. People have seen it and if I start telling you stories you will shudder

So it left for you to do the needful

the other plane is limbo, not heaven or hell. Do you know how many planes you'll have to pass to get to heaven or hell? Or are you part of the ignorant lot that think from earth you go straight to heaven or hell?

I don't doubt the existence of the afterlife, what I doubt is the stories that people went to heaven or hell. I know of limbo/purgatory, but heaven or hell? I disagree.

And if your way of making people believe in the existence of heaven or hell (which was not disputed to start with) is telling them to die or commit suicide, then you have the thinking faculty of a mole-rat and have no business trying to lure people to believe in anything in the bible cuz you suck at it

Are you Catholic? Cuz this your method of aggressive evangelism is mostly practiced amongst Pentecostals

uchennaakunne:
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So dis stupid boy dey NL ?? Lmao its a small world chai

homesteady:


LOL!
I'm 100% sure that if someone visits heaven. and hell and says some sweet things about Mary which will please the Catholic folks and the Pope, they'll start to celebrate the person, and finally make the person a saint after he dies!

Surprisingly I'm a Catholic, but I'm trying to be objective as possible! Removing every form of sentiments!

and you think people haven't visited and come with sweet stories about Mary? The Catholic church is over 700 years old, give them some credit. They've seen and heard it all, but they still refuse to buy into pentecostal tales of heavenly visitations or visions of hell.

safarigirl:
the other plane is limbo, not heaven or hell. Do you know how many planes you'll have to pass to get to heaven or hell? Or are you part of the ignorant lot that think from earth you go straight to heaven or hell?

I don't doubt the existence of the afterlife, what I doubt is the stories that people went to heaven or hell. I know of limbo/purgatory, but heaven or hell? I disagree.

And if your way of making people believe in the existence of heaven or hell (which was not disputed to start with) is telling them to die or commit suicide, then you have the thinking faculty of a mole-rat and have no business trying to lure people to believe in anything in the bible cuz you suck at it

Are you Catholic? Cuz this your method of aggressive evangelism is mostly practiced amongst Pentecostals

I am not evangelizing

You may call it limbo you may call it consciousness but once a soul leaves the body it passes through a tunnel of light and it activities is been played now what the soul does is it drift . You won't see anybody to judge you . Its self now

What you call limbo is a plane where some souls refused to graduate to higher planes due yo earthly attachments such as addiction to drugs Ur even attracted to the material wealth on earthly realm . That is why people are advised not to get overtly attached

These should hover around till eternity Ur get cab be helped

Not all souls rest in peace

So there are higher planes