anukulapo:
Point of order. She is not his brother's wife.

please tell me who was she?

plendil:
Nothing surprising about it. In fact its usually one of oft quoted verses underscoring the evil of massturbation.

That is not massturbation. Don't get it wrong just like the people that teach against massturbation using the verse do.

Pr0ton:
We can quote the Bible

Again,she is not his brothers wife. That verse (lev 18:16) is not related to the story.

johnydon22:


please tell me who was she?

Was his wife. Death separated them already. If she was still his wife,the issue would be of adultery.

plendil:
Nothing surprising about it. In fact its usually one of oft quoted verses underscoring the evil of massturbation.

How do u mean?

Onan went against the whole point of the union. He was to go into her so she could bear seed. He went against the agreement. Rather than reject the whole idea outright and even her just like Boaz kinsman refused to take Ruth as wife so Boaz had the right to, Onan should have let the other brother do it, he preferred to enjoy the experience yet deny her having the child which was seen as wickedness.
Deuteronomy 25:5-6 was the statutes and judgements in Israel Onan went against.

Alwaystrue:
Onan went against the whole point of the union.
He was to go into her so she could bear seed.
He went against the agreement.
Rather than reject the whole idea outright and even her just like Boaz kinsman refused to take Ruth as wife so Boaz had the right to,
Onan should have let the other brother do it, he preferred to enjoy the experience yet deny her having the child which was seen as wickedness.
Deuteronomy 25:5-6 was the statutes and judgements in Israel Onan went against.

cc Xcozee, wordcat, Pr0ton, anukulapo, mikesaj, DProDG

johnydon22 is incorrigible on this matter
Read his antics here https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33411536

Deuteronomy 25:5-6, is the Levirate law or Levirate marriage
Something similar to this, in some areas in our moden age, is still practised, but the Levirate law had a purpose for those people at that time and a very improtant purpose at that era (ref: Deuteronomy 7:2-4, Jeremiah 16:2-3

God ordinarily has no qualms with withdrawals,
in fact, Onan doing withdrawal method is acceptable with any other female
but oh no, the withdrawal method IS NOT acceptable by Onan with this special and particular female
especially not when she hasnt got a heir yet to inherit or claim the firstborn's (i.e. Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn) double portion of inheritance

It is "Alwaystrue" that with no recourse, Onan could have passed on his responsibilty to another
but for the benefit of all and for a full understanding of this situation, it should be noted that Onan if not for a selfish and hidden agenda ought not to reject the whole idea.

Onan didnt mind part of the whole idea, we note, his focus and sole motive whilst enjoying some of the benefit of the idea, IS TO SHIRK RESPONSIBILTY of the whole idea and to repeatedly pull fast ones on the widow, his brother wife.

What was Onan going to gain or benefit from denying this widow having a child or seed?
What is going to be the impact of his act on the present and future welfare or quality of life of this widow?
How many times did Onan do this? Was it once or several times, before God said "Right, this is enough, you're out"

Onan didnt want to raise an offspring or child for his brother that will inherit the first born portion inheritance
This is what in God's eyes is cruel and wicked
If Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn, died because of wickness, Onan's act must have been of the same wickedness gravity to have to die off it.

Lets be honest, imagine how many in the world, should have been dead or would be dead by now, especially at this time of posting, if Onan really died because of sheer masturbâtion

MuttleyLaff:
cc Xcozee, wordcat, Pr0ton, anukulapo, mikesaj, DProDG

johnydon22 is incorrigible on this matter
Read his antics here https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33411536

Deuteronomy 25:5-6, is the Levirate law or Levirate marriage
Something similar to this, in some areas in our moden age, is still practised, but the Levirate law had a purpose for those people at that time and a very improtant purpose at that era (ref: Deuteronomy 7:2-4, Jeremiah 16:2-3

God ordinarily has no qualms with withdrawals,
in fact, Onan doing withdrawal method is acceptable with any other female
but oh no, the withdrawal method IS NOT acceptable by Onan with this special and particular female
especially not when she hasnt got a heir yet to inherit or claim the firstborn's (i.e. Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn) double portion of inheritance

It is "Alwaystrue" that with no recourse, Onan could have passed on his responsibilty to another
but for the benefit of all and for a full understanding of this situation, it should be noted that Onan if not for a selfish and hidden agenda ought not to reject the whole idea.

Onan didnt mind part of the whole idea, we note, his focus and sole motive whilst enjoying some of the benefit of the idea, IS TO SHIRK RESPONSIBILTY of the whole idea and to repeatedly pull fast ones on the widow, his brother wife.

What was Onan going to gain or benefit from denying this widow having a child or seed?
What is going to be the impact of his act on the present and future welfare or quality of life of this widow?
How many times did Onan do this? Was it once or several times, before God said "Right, this is enough, you're out"

Onan didnt want to raise an offspring or child for his brother that will inherit the first born portion inheritance
This is what in God's eyes is cruel and wicked
If Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn, died because of wickness, Onan's act must have been of the same wickedness gravity to have to die off it.

Lets be honest, imagine how many in the world, should have been dead or would be dead by now, especially at this time of posting, if Onan really died because of sheer masturbâtion

That's the law of God:

NET Bible
If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is indecency. He has exposed his brother's unclothedness; they will be childless. Lev. 20:21

I think these three rebuttals will save me the episode typing.

- God is Omniscient. So God foreknew that Onan would not impregnant his brother's wife but only have the fun of sleeping with her and nothing more. Yet, God told him to go ahead and then killed him for dancing to his music. This is wickedness on God's part. He knowingly made Onan's brother's wife pass through such embarrassment, and deliberately pushed Onan's brother to his death.

- Why let Onan's brother die? If God really wanted a heir to inherit Er's heritance, why not sustain Er's life to perform the duty instead of going through the fruitless and devastating saga He went through?

- The miracle with Mary Or He could just make the widow pregnant just as He did to Mary. Jesus was "rightfully" called the son of Joseph even though it wasn't Joseph that impregnated Mary. God miraculously getting Er's wife pregnant would make a great deal than than the wicked and cruel act He did to Onan.

Pr0ton:
That's the law of God:

NET Bible
If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is indecency. He has exposed his brother's unclothedness; they will be childless. Lev. 20:21

Please DON'T misuse or distort this verse.
Having sexual intercourse with your brother's wife as per being a widow, and in line with the Levirate Law or Levirate marriage,
is different to having sexual intercourse with your brother's wife when your brother is still alive and kicking or living.
The two are chalk and cheese, they arent the same bro.

Time permitting, I later might or will revist to address your three rebuttals.

Pr0ton:
We can quote the Bible

Ignoring the Levirate law or levirate marriage, you started with a T-shirt quoting Leviticus 18:16, then frog leaped to Leviticus 20:21,

Now with your three rebuttals, we have you putting up a strawman and putting forward things that has noting to do with the original post,
of which the original poster (i.e. Xcozee), about Genesis 38:8, in quotes, made this statement:
"Don't think otherwise or be carried away! I was also surprised on seeing it! I don't think such can be in a new testament!"
Genesis 38:8
Then Judah said to Onan, "Sleep with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother."

anukulapo:

The story is in genesis. If you're just seeing it,you can't imagine how many "mileseseses" you are yet to cover.
I hope you've heard about Adam and Eve. If not...

I'm waiting 4u to probably teach me, mr. Know all...

So u think u know the bible all?

Gen 38:8 And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to your brother.
Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his. And it happened when he went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled on the ground, not giving seed to his brother.
Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also.

I won't try and find the verses, but I recall in those times, it was lawful for a man to Marry and have intercourse with his brothers widow for the purpose of producing offspring.

This man had intercourse with his brothers widow only for his own pleasure and not in getting a family for his dead brother.
He disobeyed God and paid the price.

johnw74:
Gen 38:8 And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to your brother.
Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his. And it happened when he went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled on the ground, not giving seed to his brother.
Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also.

"Therefore He killed him also" means God permitted him to die. God allowed him to give up the ghost.
In any case, sooner or later, Onan would have died, it's just a matter of time.
We all, are going to die, we all die anyway,
so dont see the big deal in Onan's death, especially when it was a case of, he died when his time was up

johnw74:
I won't try and find the verses,

The following are the verses
Deuteronomy 25:5-6
5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child,
the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife,
and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead,
that his name be not put out of Israel.

johnw74:
but I recall in those times, it was lawful for a man to Marry and have intercourse with his brothers widow for the purpose of producing offspring.

This is the Levirate law or Levirate marriage and it only applies, if the widow, is childless.
If she isnt childless, this law does not apply and the brother-in-law has no business considering or thinking of seeing his sister-in-law's nãkedness

johnw74:
This man had intercourse with his brothers widow only for his own pleasure and not in getting a family for his dead brother.

First-borns inherit DOUBLE PORTIONs of estate or lands as inheritance,
now if Onan should provide the widow with a child, he, Onan by virtue and position of next in line after the death of the childless first-born, Er, his elder brother, will lose out in having the DOUBLE PORTION inheritance of the estate or land.

Onan's long throat is why he didnt want a family for his dead brother. A family for his dead brother, will be getting in his way of having this DOUBLE PORTION inheritance of the estate or land
Denying the widow justice with his plan and greediness to possess more than what he deserves is what he died from

johnw74:
He disobeyed God and paid the price

Genesis 38:8-10
8Then Judah said to Onan,
“Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”
9[size=20]But Onan knew that the child would not be his;
so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife,
he spilled his sęmęn on the ground
to keep from providing offspring for his brother.[/size]
10What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight;
so the LORD put him to death also.

Note the "WHENEVER", in the above verse, this implies he disobeyed God SEVERAL TIMES (i.e. more than one time),
anyway his number or time was up. His time came up, hence he died, and passed away.

MuttleyLaff:


"Therefore He killed him also" means God permitted him to die. God allowed him to give up the ghost.
In any case, sooner or later, Onan would have died, it's just a matter of time.
We all, are going to die, we all die anyway,
so dont see the big deal in Onan's death, especially when it was a case of, he died when his time was up

Note the "WHENEVER", in the above verse, this implies he disobeyed God SEVERAL TIMES (i.e. more than one time),
anyway his number or time was up. His time came up, hence he died, and passed away.

10What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight;
so the LORD put him to death also.

God permitted him to die and God allowed him to give up the ghost
is not the same as
the LORD put him to death

he died, and passed away
is not the same as
the LORD put him to death

there is something you dont understand about the bible... its style of writing is nothing like the Koran,so don't compare them.the bible,especially the old testament is composed of the history of Israel as a nation,the prophesies of Israel's prophets, the poetical books like psalms and the songs of Solomon. like wise the new testament is composed of the 4 biographies of Jesus written by his disciples and secretaries ti his dusciples like luke and mark.and then the teachings of the apostle Paul,peter, James and John... and the apocalypse ie the book of revelation. The Bible doesn't pretend to be a book full of goodies. it contains examples to follow and examples not to follow. What Onan did was evil and the bible didnt endorse it either..... finally I want you to know that we christians are not under the old covenant but the new covenant that came through Jesus which he instituted on d night before his arrest. we do not get our doctrines from the old testa but from the new. Read The last verses of matthew 28 and u will see what Jesus told the diaciplez to go and teach others.... 20...."teaching them to observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded you.... "we only take examples from the old testament which is d Scripture of the old covenant (under which christians are not )as long as it lines up with the teaching of Jesus. we are not followers of moses, onan, Solomon... etc but we are followers of Jesus of whom God testified twice that He is His beloved son with whom He is well pleased.God never testified thus about any other man in history. meanwhile u can believe what ever you like and say whatever you like about Christianity and the Bible and God. but surely weda u believe it or not, there is a judgment day wen we all must meet the creator face to face, then we would know who has been on the right track.... weda Muslims or Christians or atheist

johnw74:
10What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight;
so the LORD put him to death also.

God permitted him to die and God allowed him to give up the ghost
is not the same as
the LORD put him to death

he died, and passed away
is not the same as
the LORD put him to death

Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking.

God forbid, but if anyone should happen to kick the bucket now, please be honest, regardless of how that one got put to death, who allowed or permitted that death to happen?

You do know that Satan has the power of death (For details, refer to Hebrews 2:14, Job 2:6 etc)
BUT, IT IS ONLY WHEN GOD PERMITS OR ALLOWS, that Satan is able to wield this power
or in a lighter mood, it's only after that permit, that the Grim Reaper is allowed to show up and make a claim

If God put His foot down, you think Onan could have given up the ghost. No!

If not for God, we'll be dropping like flies, dead, right now
It is God holding death at arms length and shielding us from it.
He makes sure we dont go before our time.
Bottom line, God does not, in the real sense, kill,
and certainly, God, in Genesis 38:10, did not in the literal sense, kill Onan, my brother.

MuttleyLaff:
Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking.

God forbid, but if anyone should happen to kick the bucket now, please be honest, regardless of how that one got put to death, who allowed or permitted that death to happen?

You do know that Satan has the power of death (For details, refer to Hebrews 2:14, Job 2:6 etc)
BUT, IT IS ONLY WHEN GOD PERMITS OR ALLOWS, that Satan is able to wield this power
or in a lighter mood, it's only after that permit, that the Grim Reaper is allowed to show up and make a claim

If God put His foot down, you think Onan could have given up the ghost. No!

If not for God, we'll be dropping like flies, dead, right now
It is God holding death at arms length and shielding us from it.
He makes sure we dont go before our time.
Bottom line, God does not, in the real sense, kill,
and certainly, God, in Genesis 38:10, did not in the literal sense, kill Onan, my brother.

Gen 38:7 And Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of Jehovah. And Jehovah killed him.

Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also.

1Ch 2:3 The sons of Judah: Er and Onan, and Shelah, three born to him from the daughter of Shua the Canaanitess. And Er, the first-born of Judah, was evil in the sight of Jehovah, and He killed him.

Num 26:19 The sons of Judah: Er and Onan. And Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan.

Psa 55:23 But You, O God, will bring them down into the pit of ruin; bloody and deceitful men shall not live half their days; but I will trust in You.

It doesn't matter how Jehovah killed them, in this case God saw to it that they did not live out their number of days, God killed Er and Onan,
they didn't just die and pass away having lived all their days.

MuttleyLaff:

so dont see the big deal in Onan's death, especially when it was a case of, he died when his time was up

He didn't live out his full number of days because Jehovah cut them short, killed him,
like the scriptures say.

johnw74:
It doesn't matter how Jehovah killed them, in this case God saw to it that they did not live out their number of days, God killed Er and Onan,

They lived all the days, they were permitted to to live

johnw74:
they didn't just die and pass away having lived all their days.

How then do people die please?

johnw74:
He didn't live out his full number of days because Jehovah cut them short, killed him,
like the scriptures say.

What is "he didn't live out his full number of days"?
How does "Jehovah cut them short"?
How does Jehovah kill?. How did "Jehovah kill him"?

MuttleyLaff:
They lived all the days, they were permitted to to live

How then do people die please?

What is "he didn't live out his full number of days"?
How does "Jehovah cut them short"?
How does Jehovah kill?. How did "Jehovah kill him"?

You are not the only one here who doesn't believe some Bible verses.

Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also.

johnw74:
You are not the only one here who doesn't believe some Bible verses.

What? Interesting.
What has this got to do with me, how did correcting an impression lead to "You are not the only one here who doesn't believe some Bible verses"
Explain yourself or come out of the closest, if you are admitting to be part of the ones, here, who don't believe some Bible verses

johnw74:
Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also

The bolded means therefore he allowed him to die (i.e. therefore he died)
We humans kill and murder, God doesnt kill or murder
but He allows people to die after getting killed or murdered by other people
People die from diseases, people die of old age, people die in airplane crashes, people die of all sorts
Randy people too, possibly like Onan, die, when permitted or allowed to.

That hebrew word, in Gen 38:10 translated to English, is the verb "to die"
so God allowed Onan to die, as earlier all along implying

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,And god punished Onan by making Onan's mother childless.
Did god even consider Er and Onan's mother before killing her children??

MuttleyLaff:
cc Xcozee, wordcat, Pr0ton, anukulapo, mikesaj, DProDG

johnydon22 is incorrigible on this matter
Read his antics here https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33411536

Deuteronomy 25:5-6, is the Levirate law or Levirate marriage
Something similar to this, in some areas in our moden age, is still practised, but the Levirate law had a purpose for those people at that time and a very improtant purpose at that era (ref: Deuteronomy 7:2-4, Jeremiah 16:2-3

God ordinarily has no qualms with withdrawals,
in fact, Onan doing withdrawal method is acceptable with any other female
but oh no, the withdrawal method IS NOT acceptable by Onan with this special and particular female
especially not when she hasnt got a heir yet to inherit or claim the firstborn's (i.e. Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn) double portion of inheritance

It is "Alwaystrue" that with no recourse, Onan could have passed on his responsibilty to another
but for the benefit of all and for a full understanding of this situation, it should be noted that Onan if not for a selfish and hidden agenda ought not to reject the whole idea.

Onan didnt mind part of the whole idea, we note, his focus and sole motive whilst enjoying some of the benefit of the idea, IS TO SHIRK RESPONSIBILTY of the whole idea and to repeatedly pull fast ones on the widow, his brother wife.

What was Onan going to gain or benefit from denying this widow having a child or seed?
What is going to be the impact of his act on the present and future welfare or quality of life of this widow?
How many times did Onan do this? Was it once or several times, before God said "Right, this is enough, you're out"

Onan didnt want to raise an offspring or child for his brother that will inherit the first born portion inheritance
This is what in God's eyes is cruel and wicked
If Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn, died because of wickness, Onan's act must have been of the same wickedness gravity to have to die off it.

Lets be honest, imagine how many in the world, should have been dead or would be dead by now, especially at this time of posting, if Onan really died because of sheer masturbâtion

wordcat:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,And god punished Onan by making Onan's mother childless.

Haba Chief, steady now, what's this fabrication "making Onan's mother childless" all about?
Why are you neglecting the remaining sons?
What of Shelah, Perez and Zerah, the other sons?

wordcat:
Did god even consider Er and Onan's mother before killing her children??

People die, at times from sheer foolhardiness
Death is inevitable.
It is unavoidable, to die is certain to happen to everyone.
People kill, God doesnt kill. God doesnt cause the death, He allows or permits it. He allows people to die

MuttleyLaff:

Death is inevitable.
It is unavoidable, to die is certain to happen to everyone.

You see that you have sense more than ur god. If ur god had known this, he wouldn't have killed the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as a punishment for their sins

channelz, tru2god, truthman2012, malvisguy2012, ifeann bring your head here. this is where you belong

the best preacher of the gospel remains the preacher with unbeleivable power of real jesuschrist whereby all members and followers are dwelling in power and not dwell in evil bondages and the members are able to see and know how the gospel preacher looks like and represents spiritually and they have peace which is the commonest thing the real lord jesuschrist promised to his followers and so no matter the grammer if those you are calling their names as best gospel preachers do not possess those qualities and the light .the mantle. the power that be to share to members or among members then count them as not good gospel preachers because preaching the gospel without power and light unto members to deal with evil bondages is nonsense:afteall real jesuschrsit said i am the light of the world and this very light is lacking in churches and humanbeigns dont even know the meaning and they are under the so called good gospel preachers you talk about?behold ,So many Christian sisters&brothers&secular are in great bondage to the evil marine occultic spirits your so called gospel preachers and pastors are afraid to help them?because they the gospel preachers and pastors have NO real CHRIST LIKE POWER&LIGHT to liberate them and this is highly obtainable under the so called gospel preachers you have mentioned herein?behold the kingdom of God of jusice has come and do they know this truth and revelation?

wordcat:


he wouldn't have killed the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as a punishment for their sins

Those scriptures telling of God killing the people of sodom and gomorrah must mean something else
according to MuttleyLaff, who said: "God doesn't kill sinners, He just lets them die".

wordcat:
You see that you have sense more than ur god.
If ur god had known this, he wouldn't have killed the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as a punishment for their sins

My friend, again God doesnt kill
People separate themselves from God by their sins and thereby sooner or later, have death and destruction descend upon them.
They plant the wind and get caught in a whirlwind they harvest

"The wages of sin is death", sin kills, not God,
and God, like Jesus Christ, DOES NOT KILL. God is the source of life (For more details, refer to Genesis 2:7)

johnw74:
Those scriptures telling of God killing the people of sodom and gomorrah must mean something else

It means when God lifts or removes His divine forbearance, people are left to their devices and will have a brush with death, if not outright get killed.
Those people killed themselves with sin, not God.
Remember Galatians 6:7?
It says: Don't be misled--you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant.

johnw74:
according to MuttleyLaff, who said: "God doesn't kill sinners, He just lets them die"

God allows both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners to die (i.e. God lets both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners die)
but why do you have to resort to underhand tactics brother?
When and where on this thread did MuttleyLaff ever mention anything about God killing or not killing sinners?
To shore yourself up, you just plucked that quote out of thin air and presented it, as written and posted by MuttleyLaff. SMH, na wa ooo.

MuttleyLaff:
My friend, again God doesnt kill
People separate themselves from God by their sins and thereby sooner or later, have death and destruction descend upon them.
They plant the wind and get caught in a whirlwind they harvest

"The wages of sin is death", sin kills, not God,
and God, like Jesus Christ, DOES NOT KILL. God is the source of life (For more details, refer to Genesis 2:7)

It means when God lifts or removes His divine forbearance, people are left to their devices and will have a brush with death, if not outright get killed.
Those people killed themselves with sin, not God.
Remember Galatians 6:7?
It says: Don't be misled--you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant.

God allows both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners to die (i.e. God lets both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners die)
but why do you have to resort to underhand tactics brother?
When and where on this thread did MuttleyLaff ever mention anything about God killing or not killing sinners?
To shore yourself up, you just plucked that quote out of thin air and presented it, as written and posted by MuttleyLaff. SMH, na wa ooo.

You have mentioned often about God not killing,
even in this very same post.

MuttleyLaff:

My friend, again God doesnt kill

That means God doesn't kill sinners, doesn't it, we are talking about the sinner Onan who disobeyed God,
adding sinners to the sentence changes nothing at all, it's adding left out Truth,
we are not discussin God killing the righteous,
but then you have nothing else to grab at, which seems to be your thing.

johnw74:
You have mentioned often about God not killing,
even in this very same post.

What if I did mention about God not killing?
Is that justification for making up quotes I never said or made?
Is that right for you to take liberties and put words I never said, into my mouth?

johnw74:
That means God doesn't kill sinners, doesn't it, we are talking about the sinner Onan who disobeyed God,
adding sinners to the sentence changes nothing at all, it's adding left out Truth,
we are not discussin God killing the righteous,
but then you have nothing else to grab at, which seems to be your thing.

You brought in sinners and concocted up quotes for me
Notice here, this is my 1st post on the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33752688
and this my 1st post responding to yours on the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33814638

I came in with my first post addressing Onan's motive, what he did not die of etc, then my other 1st post responding to yours was correcting your impression that God killed Onan instead of God permitted he die.

You keep veering and drifting off the original post about God "killing" Onan for spilling on the ground and not impregnasting his brother's wife as per the Levirate law

Now you say you're are talking about the sinner Onan but forget Proverbs 20:9: Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?

All have sinned and fallen short of God's glorious standard. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, sinner or non-sinner, we all at sometime, will die when God allows it.

MuttleyLaff:
What if I did mention about God not killing?
Is that justification for making up quotes I never said or made?
Is that right for you to take liberties and put words I never said, into my mouth?

Like I said:

but then you have nothing else to grab at, which seems to be your thing.

MuttleyLaff:

post responding to yours was correcting your impression that God killed Onan instead of God permitted he die

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The word "correction" is funny, God did kill Onan, and you change what the verse says to, "God permitted him to die".

Gen_19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from Jehovah out of the heavens.

God does at times kill sinners.

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

johnw74:
The word "correction" is funny, God did kill Onan,
and you change what the verse says to, "God permitted him to die".

Gen_19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from Jehovah out of the heavens.

God does at times kill sinners

So if not all times, are you saying, God at times DOESNT kill sinners
What killed Adam in Eden?
I guess by your logic, God did, isnt it?

johnw74:
Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

It's funny you're trying to find refuge in Pro 30:6
It's even more hilarious that you dont realise that out of ulterior motives, hidden agenda, ignorance, lack of understanding Hebraic culture, lack of understanding Aramaic/Hebraic idioms, lack of understanding Aramaic/Hebraic way of speaking or manner of writing etc, a lot was added to the Bible by translators and transliterators

The number one myth about Bible translation is that, it is a word-for-word translation. Words have been added to the Bible, all translated bibles to-date, either had words added or removed. This is for another post

Like I did before, I'll refer you to another one of my earlier post,
where I wrote "Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking"
https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33821241

and https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33823773
where I wrote:
That hebrew word, in Gen 38:10 translated to English, is the verb "to die"
so God allowed Onan to die, as earlier all along implying

MuttleyLaff:
Ignoring the Levirate law or levirate marriage, you started with a T-shirt quoting Leviticus 18:16, then frog leaped to Leviticus 20:21,

Now with your three rebuttals, we have you putting up a strawman and putting forward things that has noting to do with the original post,
of which the original poster (i.e. Xcozee), about Genesis 38:8, in quotes, made this statement:
"Don't think otherwise or be carried away! I was also surprised on seeing it! I don't think such can be in a new testament!"
Genesis 38:8
Then Judah said to Onan, "Sleep with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother."

One thing leads to another, and we are still in the same context. The fact that you are yet to refute my rubuttals shows how unavoidable the flaw is. Stop the ramblings about moving from one phase to another. Refute, or give up that God was wicked and cruel afterall.