mentorandfriend:
Let me correct you sir, because it is articles like this that point fingers at the church in order to destroy us, but it profers no solution at the end of the tirade.


You lied. There were evidences of church meetings in the Acts of the Apostles. The 120 disciples were in the Upper room praying. It was not someone's house. Ananias and Saphira dressed up to go to church and lie to the Holy Spirit, and Peter was the minister that day. Ushers carried their dead bodies out. There was a large church in those days that the apostles appointed seven deacons.

About denominations, the persecution of the early church caused people like Stephen to run to Samaria. a new ministry was born there. I believe the persecution was a grand plan by God to scatter the church all over the world, beyond Jerusalem.


Well, John the beloved Apostle used it in III John vs 2. I wish you above all things that though mayest prosper.
Remember that John said that it was the same things they heard from Jesus that they were declaring. I John 1vs 1-4.

When has old testament ceased being a part of the scriptures?
Of course he is. That is why you are not dead already. John 10vs10. I have come that you may have life more abundantly.
Anything unscriptural you find today in a church means that the original still exists. There are still people getting it right. You know that too well. Stop generalising.
Just attend RCCG'S HolyGhost Congress any last friday of your choosing, or attend Shiloh in Canaanland. Thousands are still giving their lives to christ.

That you are not experiencing it in your assembly does not mean it does not happen again. Visit RCCG's redemption camp for HolyGhost congress. What you will see will shock you. We are in the last days and these are the days of massive outpouring of His Spirit. Its happening.

God meets us at the level of our expectation. May be you go to church as a routine. You will never experience that touch of God. I'm about to enter the bathroom and prepare for church, and I'm doing it with expectation of what new thing God will do in my life today. Church is not a routine for me.

Please next time, dont generalise things about the church of God. We are marching forward, and the gates of hell will never prevail against us.
Thank you.

God bless u n continually directing ur path to greatness.We Christians still av a lot to do.

sonOfLucifer:
I am going to hell.

Could you please put up your picture on your profile page. I've never been this eager to see someone's face on NL.

He is right to a very large extent!

epelumi42:


While I've noticed your tendencies, I've decided to be mute until now. If you are indifferent towards the existence of God, or oblivious, I'd like to ask you a question.

Is your belief a function of understanding from infallible proofs, the inexistence of God? Or do you simply wanna feel distinct, (I.e. standout of the crowd?) Or you simply wanna want to be free in thoughts and actions. rid of spiritual influence? Talk to me.

cc.
Clergy20

Religion/belief or lack of it is a very personal thing. While I'm not under obligation to let you know my stand,suggesting i'm doing this to standout is quite insulting and myopic. Lots of people out there dont believe in God or are agnostic at best,and you'll be surprised they exist everywhere even in the churches. So what is my standing out about or for? Like i tell my 'christian' friends,dont question my belief or lack of,i dont question yours.
As for being free,i dont know exactly what you think i wanna be free to do without 'spiritual influences',i dont even wanna know what you mean by the spiritual influence,but i'm a free person all the same.
Cheers!

MizTyna:


Religion/belief or lack of it is a very personal thing. While I'm not under obligation to let you know my stand,suggesting i'm doing this to standout is quite insulting and myopic. Lots of people out there dont believe in God or are agnostic at best,and you'll be surprised they exist everywhere even in the churches. So what is my standing out about or for? Like i tell my 'christian' friends,dont question my belief or lack of,i dont question yours.
As for being free,i dont know exactly what you think i wanna be free to do without 'spiritual influences',i dont even wanna know what you mean by the spiritual influence,but i'm a free person all the same.
Cheers!

...
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You do not understand my point. I drew no conclusions. I asked if your choice was one of the three choices!

disloman:
God bless u n continually directing ur path to greatness.We Christians still av a lot to do.

You know you are not correct right?
permit me to shed a few corrections to your corrections.
1. The upper room was not a church but where the disciples stayed in obedience to the Lord before they were endued with power from on high.
2. The men that carried ananias and saphirra were not ushers (always say what the bible says as it is said).
3. 3 Jn2 was not a prayer, a promise but a wish (greeting) by Apostle john. just as you would wish someone safe journey whwn travelling ( look at the words you posted in bold letters.. it starts with I WISH....
4. God is not a father christmas; father christmas takes your money (ticket) and gives you a gift. god demands obedience from us all and punishes disobedience.
5. You kept highlightin Shiloh and Cannanland as proof of Christianity in Nigeria, well I'll leave that to you. so that you know almost every corrupt public official in this country has/is affiliated in one way or the other to these places yet they steal billions....go figure.

Mopolchi:
An agnostic does not doubt. Well, hope you have read Thomas Aquinas's Quinque Via about God's existence?

Key word 'tending towards atheism'
As for the book,i havent. But i'll love to. Can i get it online or something?

MizTyna:


Key word 'tending towards atheism'
As for the book,i havent. But i'll love to. Can i get it online or something?

Before you end up in atheism, get that work of Thomas Aquinas online and read. Here is a summary of the work: These 5 arguments are known as the Quinque
Viae , which is Latin for The Five Ways, which
was proposed by St. Thomas Aquinas. St.
Thomas wrote an extensive amount of texts
which can still be purchased in bookstores and/
or online. I'm not going to boggle all of you with
seemingly endless paragraphs; I will condense
these ideas into short, simple, logical syllogisms.
The First Way
"The Argument from Motion"
Nothing can move itself.
For any object to move, something must move
the object.
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Therefore, If any object moves, then there must
be a mover.
St. Thomas called this Unmoved Mover "God."
Why? Because God is eternal, from everlasting to
everlasting; God has no beginning and no end.
Why doesn't it make sense to humans? Because
we're locked in a dimension called "time."
The Second Way
"Argument from Causation (Creation) and
Existence"
There exists things that were caused or created
by other things.
Nothing can be the cause of itself (or create
itself).
There can not be an endless string of things
causing other things to exist.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Therefore, there must be an uncaused first
cause.
St. Thomas is saying that everything has a
beginning, and that beginning is God.
The Third Way
"Argument from Contingent and Necessary
Objects"
Contingent beings are caused (every contingent
being depends on another being).
Not every being can be contingent (there must
be something that isn't dependent on anything
else.)
There must be a being which is necessary to
cause contingent beings.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Therefore, this necessary being is God.
The Fourth Way
"Argument from Degrees and Perfection"
Qualities of things differ (everything in the
universe has a different level of quality).
There are many different levels of quality.
There must be a perfect standard by which all
such qualities are measured.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------
Therefore, these perfections are contained in
God (perfection personified).
Something in the universe might be perfect to a
degree, but not to a perfect perfection.
The Fifth Way
"Argument from Intelligent Design"
There is an observable universe and order in
nature.
Common sense (also known as judgment, by
using the 5 senses) tells us that nature works in
such a way.
A person can conclude that everything was
designed by an intelligent designer.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Therefore, God is the Intelligent Designer of all
physical laws of nature and order in the
universe. http://jman1986.tripod.com/proof.html

reasons Why I don't go to church

Booyakasha:
Religion makes us weak, it makes us believe things that are not real, it makes us fear, it makes us feel guilt, religion is what sets our limits, thank God we have science, we will all be dead by now... religion can't cure your cancer, malaria etc... religion in NIGERIA has turned to an OCCULT.

son, may God forgive you

Booyakasha:
Religion makes us weak, it makes us believe things that are not real, it makes us fear, it makes us feel guilt, religion is what sets our limits, thank God we have science, we will all be dead by now... religion can't cure your cancer, malaria etc... religion in NIGERIA has turned to an OCCULT.

Our limits are set by time. Science can't solve the question of death, the last time I checked.

mentorandfriend:
Let me correct you sir, because it is articles like this that point fingers at the church in order to destroy us, but it profers no solution at the end of the tirade.


You lied. There were evidences of church meetings in the Acts of the Apostles. The 120 disciples were in the Upper room praying. It was not someone's house. Ananias and Saphira dressed up to go to church and lie to the Holy Spirit, and Peter was the minister that day. Ushers carried their dead bodies out. There was a large church in those days that the apostles appointed seven deacons.

About denominations, the persecution of the early church caused people like Stephen to run to Samaria. a new ministry was born there. I believe the persecution was a grand plan by God to scatter the church all over the world, beyond Jerusalem.


Well, John the beloved Apostle used it in III John vs 2. I wish you above all things that though mayest prosper.
Remember that John said that it was the same things they heard from Jesus that they were declaring. I John 1vs 1-4.

When has old testament ceased being a part of the scriptures?
Of course he is. That is why you are not dead already. John 10vs10. I have come that you may have life more abundantly.
Anything unscriptural you find today in a church means that the original still exists. There are still people getting it right. You know that too well. Stop generalising.
Just attend RCCG'S HolyGhost Congress any last friday of your choosing, or attend Shiloh in Canaanland. Thousands are still giving their lives to christ.

That you are not experiencing it in your assembly does not mean it does not happen again. Visit RCCG's redemption camp for HolyGhost congress. What you will see will shock you. We are in the last days and these are the days of massive outpouring of His Spirit. Its happening.

God meets us at the level of our expectation. May be you go to church as a routine. You will never experience that touch of God. I'm about to enter the bathroom and prepare for church, and I'm doing it with expectation of what new thing God will do in my life today. Church is not a routine for me.

Please next time, dont generalise things about the church of God. We are marching forward, and the gates of hell will never prevail against us.
Thank you.

you're bless sir...
May God continue to increase.
May God continue to help us to stand out and do his will...
As for etcetera abi na etc be he name, he forgot that part where JESUS ask us to remove the beam in our eyes in order to see clearly to remove the little dirt in our neighbours eyes.... #SHALLOM sir

Today is sunday and we need things that will edify souls why all these trash mr or ms moderator . Can you do thesame on friday huh don't sound sentimental here .

sukkot:
well the bible does not tell you not to drink. and the bible does not tell you not to have s-e-x. however it tells you any woman you have s-e-x with you have to keep as your wife. it is when you have s-e-x with a woman and decide not to keep her as your wife is what is called fornication. is it fair for you to have s-e-x with a woman and then I end up marrying her ? and it does not condemn eating marijuana. some people use it to make cakes and it has the same effect as when you smoke it. however smoking it pollutes your lungs and your body is a temple which you are not supposed to pollute and defile. so basically all you have to do is read the bible yourself and you will have the answer to all your questions

Thanks man. You are quite knowledgeable and I will stay in touch to learn more. Thanks

Humanbeing1st:
PLS WHO IS THIS ECTETERA OF THING? WHAT DOES DO FOR A LIVING?

i know him as an artiste. He sang 'The Last Bus To Nowhere'.

the more people that understand this the more people we shall set free

fyneboi79:
Thanks man. You are quite knowledgeable and I will stay in touch to learn more. Thanks

bad boy.

dre11:


As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent. – Revelation 3:19.



http://www.punchng.com/columnists/etcetera/the-church-is-leading-you-to-hell/

That is true my brother, thank God I have Bible

Normosa:


You know you are not correct right?
permit me to shed a few corrections to your corrections.
1. The upper room was not a church but where the disciples stayed in obedience to the Lord before they were endued with power from on high.
2. The men that carried ananias and saphirra were not ushers (always say what the bible says as it is said).
3. 3 Jn2 was not a prayer, a promise but a wish (greeting) by Apostle john. just as you would wish someone safe journey whwn travelling ( look at the words you posted in bold letters.. it starts with I WISH....
4. God is not a father christmas; father christmas takes your money (ticket) and gives you a gift. god demands obedience from us all and punishes disobedience.
5. You kept highlightin Shiloh and Cannanland as proof of Christianity in Nigeria, well I'll leave that to you. so that you know almost every corrupt public official in this country has/is affiliated in one way or the other to these places yet they steal billions....go figure.

U gave explanation according to ur exposure n orientation.Let mi ask u these questions
1:What is a church?
2:Where in d bible did Jesus gave d disciples where to stay so that they can receive Holy Ghost?
3:What is a prayer?

dre11:


As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent. – Revelation 3:19.



http://www.punchng.com/columnists/etcetera/the-church-is-leading-you-to-hell/

The day you stop spoon feeding yourself and some gullibles who know nothing about church and Christianity, that's the day you'll be saved by the grace (though it's available already) then you'll make heaven yourself.
What do you know about heaven if this be your knowledge about the church?
Thanks.

Tattooboy:
bad boy.

And who are you

fyneboi79:
Thanks man. You are quite knowledgeable and I will stay in touch to learn more. Thanks

no probs man. stay cool

All these write up pointing accusing fingers to men of God sometimes to me is insane. The world is a simple place to live in and that is why you have a choice. you may choice to or not to go to church,pay or not to pay your tithe,remain poor forever by eating from the trash can or enjoy what redemption has brought us which is untold riches.
it is high time you talk about you. what aspect of our live as individual will make someone want to know Jesus. Believe it or not you will answer to you not your pastor when you get to heaven.
will a pastor follow a prostitute to brothel to force her home all because he did not want her to go to hell? will he place a curse on members because they are sinnesr ? Neither you nor your pastor can change any man, he can only preach it and then pray for the Holy Spirit to quicken your understanding.
How quick we are to judge when we are also leading people to hell by our words and action daily. No wonder you see a ritualist condemning pastor, a prostitute will also sit and write rubbish all in the name of being heard.
If they are leading member to hell, where are you leading people you meet on a daily basis?
The change we are talking about start with you and I. The bible is too complex,yet simple, to be interpreted with canal ideas.

mentorandfriend:
Let me correct you sir, because it is articles like this that point fingers at the church in order to destroy us, but it profers no solution at the end of the tirade.


You lied. There were evidences of church meetings in the Acts of the Apostles. The 120 disciples were in the Upper room praying. It was not someone's house. Ananias and Saphira dressed up to go to church and lie to the Holy Spirit, and Peter was the minister that day. Ushers carried their dead bodies out. There was a large church in those days that the apostles appointed seven deacons.

About denominations, the persecution of the early church caused people like Stephen to run to Samaria. a new ministry was born there. I believe the persecution was a grand plan by God to scatter the church all over the world, beyond Jerusalem.


Well, John the beloved Apostle used it in III John vs 2. I wish you above all things that though mayest prosper.
Remember that John said that it was the same things they heard from Jesus that they were declaring. I John 1vs 1-4.

When has old testament ceased being a part of the scriptures?
Of course he is. That is why you are not dead already. John 10vs10. I have come that you may have life more abundantly.
Anything unscriptural you find today in a church means that the original still exists. There are still people getting it right. You know that too well. Stop generalising.
Just attend RCCG'S HolyGhost Congress any last friday of your choosing, or attend Shiloh in Canaanland. Thousands are still giving their lives to christ.

That you are not experiencing it in your assembly does not mean it does not happen again. Visit RCCG's redemption camp for HolyGhost congress. What you will see will shock you. We are in the last days and these are the days of massive outpouring of His Spirit. Its happening.

God meets us at the level of our expectation. May be you go to church as a routine. You will never experience that touch of God. I'm about to enter the bathroom and prepare for church, and I'm doing it with expectation of what new thing God will do in my life today. Church is not a routine for me.

Please next time, dont generalise things about the church of God. We are marching forward, and the gates of hell will never prevail against us.
Thank you.

U av saved me d time i would av used to disapprove d points listed by d Op

mentorandfriend:
Let me correct you sir, because it is articles like this that point fingers at the church in order to destroy us, but it profers no solution at the end of the tirade.


You lied. There were evidences of church meetings in the Acts of the Apostles. The 120 disciples were in the Upper room praying. It was not someone's house. Ananias and Saphira dressed up to go to church and lie to the Holy Spirit, and Peter was the minister that day. Ushers carried their dead bodies out. There was a large church in those days that the apostles appointed seven deacons.

About denominations, the persecution of the early church caused people like Stephen to run to Samaria. a new ministry was born there. I believe the persecution was a grand plan by God to scatter the church all over the world, beyond Jerusalem.


Well, John the beloved Apostle used it in III John vs 2. I wish you above all things that though mayest prosper.
Remember that John said that it was the same things they heard from Jesus that they were declaring. I John 1vs 1-4.

When has old testament ceased being a part of the scriptures?
Of course he is. That is why you are not dead already. John 10vs10. I have come that you may have life more abundantly.
Anything unscriptural you find today in a church means that the original still exists. There are still people getting it right. You know that too well. Stop generalising.
Just attend RCCG'S HolyGhost Congress any last friday of your choosing, or attend Shiloh in Canaanland. Thousands are still giving their lives to christ.

That you are not experiencing it in your assembly does not mean it does not happen again. Visit RCCG's redemption camp for HolyGhost congress. What you will see will shock you. We are in the last days and these are the days of massive outpouring of His Spirit. Its happening.

God meets us at the level of our expectation. May be you go to church as a routine. You will never experience that touch of God. I'm about to enter the bathroom and prepare for church, and I'm doing it with expectation of what new thing God will do in my life today. Church is not a routine for me.

Please next time, dont generalise things about the church of God. We are marching forward, and the gates of hell will never prevail against us.
Thank you.

Well done. points well ararticulated. A Christian that is not grounded may be discouraged and miss the mark.

I pity dis writer

Normosa:


You know you are not correct right?
permit me to shed a few corrections to your corrections.
1. The upper room was not a church but where the disciples stayed in obedience to the Lord before they were endued with power from on high.
2. The men that carried ananias and saphirra were not ushers (always say what the bible says as it is said).
3. 3 Jn2 was not a prayer, a promise but a wish (greeting) by Apostle john. just as you would wish someone safe journey whwn travelling ( look at the words you posted in bold letters.. it starts with I WISH....
4. God is not a father christmas; father christmas takes your money (ticket) and gives you a gift. god demands obedience from us all and punishes disobedience.
5. You kept highlightin Shiloh and Cannanland as proof of Christianity in Nigeria, well I'll leave that to you. so that you know almost every corrupt public official in this country has/is affiliated in one way or the other to these places yet they steal billions....go figure.

In the book of Revelation, letters were written to seven churches. How can you say that church does not exist

femi4:
In the book of Revelation, letters were written to seven churches. How can you say that church does not exist

church is not a building. it's a collection of true believers of Christ worldwide.

make Una let your paid keep deceiving you.

Horlufemi:


church is not a building. it's a collection of true believers of Christ worldwide.

make Una let your paid keep deceiving you.

And who is talking about building, have you read that part of the bible at all. The gathering of believers is scriptural. That part refers to different group of believers, their strength and weaknesses

kullozone:
etc,are you saved

there are some truth in what you wrote...but I can swear you're also going to hell,considering the level of ur bad belle.

You dey vex for they guy......


Where did you see him exhibiting bad belle in this post of his

dre11:


As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent. – Revelation 3:19.



http://www.punchng.com/columnists/etcetera/the-church-is-leading-you-to-hell/

There are some valid points from what he raised and we Christians just need to check ourselves to know if we are in the right path

Because the bible says "he that thinketh he stands let him be careful...... Else he falls from the grace"

Islie:



You dey vex for they guy......


Where did you see him exhibiting bad belle in this post of his

Oga,no giv me unnecessary mention jare...I hope you can point out where I indicated that he exhibited bad belle in thesame post abi?