crackhaus:

Thanks for the elucidation, history professor without so much as a diploma in History
Still made no sense BTW, but keep trying...you'll get there eventually.


So who are the hypocrites campaigning for freeing the nip.ples?
White men or your comrades-in-arm feminists?

You really think I'm one of the people you do back and forth with here. Let me tutor you a bit, so you don't go and disgrace Nigerians outside.
The argument was their society rendered nudity as primitiveness and today want to resort to the same primitiveness and not a white man vs feminist issue you want to reduce my arguments to. Don't reduce my intellect to your petty kindergarten level. Logic is not your strongest forte. Stop reading with your feet.
Using the word feminist to create a men vs feminist war (I presume feminist here represents 'females', rotflmao such razzznesssss) is not only puerile, but shows the limitations you have with grammar and your poor vocabulary pool when a feminist can be a man or woman.

Stillfire:


Check his closet you would see all kinds of bras there.
He has also posed nude, because of 'we live in a free world'. Imagine giving someone like Charley more freedom. We would be in deep sh..it.

perhaps you saw the bras of their several groupies.....they were kept as souvenirs. charlie boy doesn't wear bra. which boöbs would be put in the cups?

pickabeau1:


exactly.. I still don't get the reason you guys carry this mantra

going against the status quo is not feminism but non-conformism

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I have experienced marginalisation, people still try to marginalise me and some people I know.

So your point is?

Stillfire:


There are many factors, economic and enlightenment are one of them as you say. I would include tradition/cultural/religious practices especially in Northern Nigeria. I would also include home bringing. In the South, we see good statistics for girl literacy but there is a reliance of men being the providers so 'me as a woman do not need to do so much.' Also if we are interested in empowering the girls, are the boys ready for such empowerment? Because what I've found out is that many women have been empowered,[b] but many men do not respond favorably to these empowerment and feel threatened especially in the arenas of family and relationships. [/b]Female empowerment is rubbish if the men are no taught to adapt to these changes in societal norms.

good u agree there is improvement.
general enligtenment, education and better economic opportunities favour eveyone irrespective of gender

can you explain the bolded or list what you mean
are u saying in the west, there are no issues in relationships also?

freecocoa:
I have experienced marginalisation, people still try to marginalise me and some people I know.

So your point is?

can you give one or two instances

VictoriaBee:

Same.

Feminism is more of behaviour.

Lol, feminism isn't about how you dress.

You can dress like Lady gaga.
Feminism is like not cricticizing anyone if she wants to be slutty or modest.

You are contracting yourself ..

You said she's exhibiting her feministic beliefs by dressing provocatively and I countered saying that is definitely not feminism .but sluttiness....

and feminism is not a behaviour like you said. That's gaffe.

"Feminism is a collection of movements and
ideologies that share a common goal: to define,
establish, and achieve equal political, economic,
cultural, personal, and social rights for women"

Beyonce is merely shaking her butt for money and you say that's her own way of portraying feminism

you know what.. just pass me that akure Igbo you've been smoking lately

freecocoa:
I have experienced marginalisation, people still try to marginalise me and some people I know.

So your point is?

pray tell, how were you marginalised?

Darkrebel666:


You are contracting yourself ..

You said she's exhibiting her feministic beliefs by dressing provocatively and I countered saying that is definitely not feminism .but sluttiness....

and feminism is not a behaviour like you said. That's gaffe.

"Feminism is a collection of movements and
ideologies that share a common goal: to define,
establish, and achieve equal political, economic,
cultural, personal, and social rights for women"

Beyonce is merely shaking her butt for money and you say that's her own way of portraying feminism

you know what.. just pass me that akure Igbo you've been smoking lately

LMAO!!

Stillfire:


You really think I'm one of the people you do back and forth with here. Let me tutor you a bit, so you don't go and disgrace Nigerians outside.
The argument was their society rendered nudity as primitiveness and today want to resort to the same primitiveness and not a white man vs feminist issue you want to reduce my arguments to. Don't reduce my intellect to your petty kindergarten level. Logic is not your strongest forte. Stop reading with your feet.
Using the word feminist to create a men vs feminist war (I presume feminist here represents 'females', rotflmao such razzznesssss) is not only puerile, but shows the limitations you have with grammar and your poor vocabulary pool when a feminist can be a man or woman.

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Stillfire:


You really think I'm one of the people you do back and forth with here. Let me tutor you a bit, so you don't go and disgrace Nigerians outside.
The argument was their society rendered nudity as primitiveness and today want to resort to the same primitiveness and not a white man vs feminist issue you want to reduce my arguments to. Don't reduce my intellect to your petty kindergarten level. Logic is not your strongest forte. Stop reading with your feet.
Using the word feminist to create a men vs feminist war (I presume feminist here represents 'females', rotflmao such razzznesssss) is not only puerile, but shows the limitations you have with grammar and your poor vocabulary pool when a feminist can be a man or woman.

Lmao, she's pissed.. .now we're getting somewhere - it also took you a while to reply that...or perhaps you didn't want to reply initially, but thought otherwise later so it doesn't seem like you've been beat.

You don't do back and forth, yet you keep trying to convince me that you actually know what you're typing.
You have no intellect, not really.. just a few string knowledge here and there which you're still trying hard to put together as Gospel

So their society rendered nud.ity as primitiveness and now want to resort to the same primitiveness, yes?
We're back to square one - who are the people here resorting to/campaigning for nud.ity?
Is it feminists or society, genius?

Darkrebel666:


You are contracting yourself ..

You said she's exhibiting her feministic beliefs by dressing provocatively and I countered saying that is definitely not feminism .but sluttiness....

and feminism is not a behaviour like you said. That's gaffe.

"Feminism is a collection of movements and
ideologies that share a common goal: to define,
establish, and achieve equal political, economic,
cultural, personal, and social rights for women"

Beyonce is merely shaking her butt for money and you say that's her own way of portraying feminism

you know what.. just pass me that akure Igbo you've been smoking lately

Point out where they said feminist shouldn't dress provocatively in that definition.

so, beyonce shouldn't do her business?
I guess Adichie shouldn't write her novels or Adele shouldn't sing her music.

pickabeau1:

can you give one or two instances

coogar:


pray tell, how were you marginalised?

I have been put down verbally for being a woman.

Some part of my state or region, still have traditions that marginalise people.

I have seen a man berated for not being able to do what " a man" is supposed to do, vice versa.

I have seen women suffer for not being a certain way.

I have seen a man treated differently for being a man, vice versa.

freecocoa:
I have been put down verbally for being a woman.

Some part of my state or region, still have traditions that marginalise people.

I have seen a man berated for not being able to do what " a man" is supposed to do, vice versa.

I have seen women suffer for not being a certain way.

I have seen a man treated differently for being a man, vice versa.

so you are in a region where men get berated for not being man enough & where women get verbally-lashed for not being feminine enough.

where's the marginalisation here? it seems to me everyone in your state gets criticised if he or she shows any sign of slackness.

this is not discrimination.....its discipline!

coogar:


so you are in a region where men get berated for not being man enough & where women get verbally-lashed for not being feminine enough.

where's the marginalisation here? it seems to me everyone in your state gets criticised if he or she shows any sign of slackness.

this is not discrimination.....its discipline!

Lol, you do know what marginalisation means right?

freecocoa:
I have been put down verbally for being a woman.

Some part of my state or region, still have traditions that marginalise people.

i would have liked specific instances of gender discrimination
That sexism exists was never in doubt

I wanted to know if there was a job you were not given due to the fact that you were a woman or paid less just because you were a woman

However thanks for providing instances

these practices are dying out and hoipefully will be outdated in another 2 generations

I have seen a man berated for not being able to do what " a man" is supposed to do, vice versa.

there are certain expectations placed on each gender by society. is that what you mean

I have seen women suffer for not being a certain way.

I have seen a man treated differently for being a man, vice versa.

which way is the woman expected to be

freecocoa:
I have been put down verbally for being a woman.

Some part of my state or region, still have traditions that marginalise people.

I have seen a man berated for not being able to do what " a man" is supposed to do, vice versa.

I have seen women suffer for not being a certain way.

I have seen a man treated differently for being a man, vice versa.

A man told to behave like a man, and a woman told to behave like a woman,

So where is the discrimination?

Maybe they should have told the man to behave like a woman and vice versa

freecocoa:
Lol, you do know what marginalisation means right?

when you are denied an opportunity, in this case, just because you are of a particular gender.

i don't see how your comment above proves you were shut down because you are a woman. from what i can grab, both genders get pilloried in your region when they don't brace up.

pickabeau1:

i would have liked specific instances of gender discrimination
That sexism exists was never in doubt

I wanted to know if there was a job you were not given due to the fact that you were a woman or paid less just because you were a woman

However thanks for providing instances

these practices are dying out and hoipefully will be outdated in another 2 generations

there are certain expectations placed on each gender by society. is that what you mean


which way is the woman expected to be

It doesn't end at a job, I have had something I deserved handed to a man and the reason was because("ibu nwanyi"(get a translator). I have wanted a job and told they needed a man without knowing I couldn't do the job.

Is sexism not marginalisation?

coogar:


when you are denied an opportunity, in this case, just because you are of a particular gender.

i don't see how your comment above proves you were shut down because you are a woman. from what i can grab, both genders get pilloried in your region when they don't brace up.

To certain things, they are expected to behave in a "given" way, different things for both genders.

viewing: texanomaly
It's been long

freecocoa:
It doesn't end at a job, I have had something I deserved handed to a man and the reason was because("ibu nwanyi"(get a translator). I have wanted a job and told they needed a man without knowing I couldn't do the job.

Is sexism not marginalisation?

maybe you were applying to be a NEPA enforcer. those ones who carry ladder from street to street to disconnect cables. it's not suited for ladies. it's not marginalisation - some roles are more suited to men & some roles are suited to women.

were you not here when the feminazis all said they can never hire a male nursery teacher for their female children? it's just what it is. biko, no vex. if that is what you are angry about, it's a universal phenomenon. i have been denied several luxurious houses by landladies because i am male.

VictoriaBee:

Point out where they said feminist shouldn't dress provocatively in that definition.

so, beyonce shouldn't do her business?
I guess Adichie shouldn't write her novels or Adele shouldn't sing her music.

what you are saying doesn't make sense .

I'm not saying she shouldn't do whatever it is she wants to do to make money.
Its her business afterall, but saying her provocative manner of dressing is her way of portraying feminism is just baloney.
I guess pornography and su¢king p£nises is Jada Fire or Lee Tayler's way of exhibiting feminism ? right?

freecocoa:
It doesn't end at a job, I have had something I deserved handed to a man and the reason was because("ibu nwanyi"(get a translator). I have wanted a job and told they needed a man without knowing I couldn't do the job.

Is sexism not marginalisation?

i was trying to point the fact i dont like women so much does not mean i deny them a job
something like that

this is a good example
i wish you could be more specific ... type of job, was it the interview panel that told u they wanted a man or was it advertised that it was a male only job

as u aware that such discrimination is a crime

coogar:


maybe you were applying to be a NEPA enforcer. those ones who carry ladder from street to street to disconnect cables. it's not suited for ladies. it's not marginalisation - some roles are more suited to men & some roles are suited to women.

were you not here when the feminazis all said they can never hire a male nursery teacher for their female children? it's just what it is. biko, no vex. if that is what you are angry about, it's a universal phenomenon. i have been denied several luxurious houses by landladies because i am male.

Dig up the thread, sholly and I called out those people on it, I have told you countless times that, not everyone who claims to be a feminist is, you shouldn't get to be denied luxuries based on your gender, that's what we are all about male or female, so coogar, I am fighting for you too.

How did you make sure to arrive that conclusion on the job? Can't a woman carry a ladder?

freecocoa:
Dig up the thread, sholly and I called out those people on it, I have told you countless times that, not everyone who claims to be a feminist is, you shouldn't get to be denied luxuries based on your gender, that's what we are all about male or female, so coogar, I am fighting for you too.

Hod did you make sure to arrive that conclusion on the job? Can't a woman carry a ladder?

i have been saying this since 1960

too much bandwagoning

pickabeau1:


good u agree there is improvement.
general enligtenment, education and better economic opportunities favour eveyone irrespective of gender

can you explain the bolded or list what you mean
are u saying in the west, there are no issues in relationships also?

The issue in relationships in the West lie with excessive freedom or liberties and substituting one sexism with another sexism. While the comment you bolded has to do with the African society. If we are empowering girls, boys need to be taught to adapt to the empowered female. The recurring theme in many of my arguments between male and female relationship is totally against excessive freedom or giving one gender power over the other. Power is intoxicating and whether in male or female, people will bastardize the power they have over another.

freecocoa:
Dig up the thread, sholly and I called out those people on it, I have told you countless times that, not everyone who claims to be a feminist is, you shouldn't get to be denied luxuries based on your gender, that's what we are all about male or female, so coogar, I am fighting for you too.

of course.....
the very foundation feminism stands upon was built with the sands of hypocrisy.

How did you make sure to arrive that conclusion on the job? Can't a woman carry a ladder?

that kinda role is to energy-sapping for a female. it's not lady-like. you should be behind a big desk of a fully air-conditioned room arranging meetings & sorting your director's schedule.

it's what it is......
men & women would always get denied luxuries because of their gender. you are a female. you would easily let your girl friend pass the night in your room if she's stranded. would you give any male that kinda offer? does that make you sexist?

i remember one lady came to this section the other day that she needs a female to share her flat with. she specifically asked for a lady. when i challenged her that she's sexist(tongue-in-cheek), she said she's the type that likes to run around the house nakëd and such wouldn't be appropriate if her housemate is male.

so, is she sexist?

If they need to hire someone to be a political thug, militant or go chase Shekau for Sambisa and they see a clean young girl competing with a rugged looking middle aged man

Who should they pick?

raumdeuter:
If they need to hire someone to be a political thug, militant or go chase Shekau for Sambisa and they see a clean young girl competing with a rugged looking middle aged man

Who should they pick?

they should pick the girl.....
she could be lara croft or o-ren ishii

pickabeau1:


i was trying to point the fact i dont like women so much does not mean i deny them a job
something like that

this is a good example
i wish you could be more specific ... type of job, was it the interview panel that told u they wanted a man or was it advertised that it was a male only job

as u aware that such discrimination is a crime

Yes, I have seen adverts wanting a particular gender, I ask any way and they look at me crazy(eg I applied to be a concierge at a hotel and was told they only took males, asking if I didn't read the advert?)

I know guys that can't get jobs as househelps because the people looking, want a woman for the job .

coogar:


perhaps you saw the bras of their several groupies.....they were kept as souvenirs. charlie boy doesn't wear bra. which boöbs would be put in the cups?

Rotflmao. Coogar, you and I know today that women are in competition with your gender in wearing skirts and blouses in the name of freedom. That ship has already sailed. We don't stop you when you wear our skirts. In fact I saw a man wearing a skirt yesterday with braided hair. I did not say Mr.Man gimme my skirt. I waka pass. My own is that I will ban men from going barechested sha for the sake of equality, bite me. Why should women give a free-show in the name of equality? Mba nu.

Darkrebel666:


You are contracting yourself ..

You said she's exhibiting her feministic beliefs by dressing provocatively and I countered saying that is definitely not feminism .but sluttiness....

and feminism is not a behaviour like you said. That's gaffe.

"Feminism is a collection of movements and
ideologies that share a common goal: to define,
establish, and achieve equal political, economic,
cultural, personal, and social rights for women"

Beyonce is merely shaking her butt for money and you say that's her own way of portraying feminism

you know what.. just pass me that akure Igbo you've been smoking lately