Ritchiee:
It takes the KING OF MUMUS to know the mumus of this world...Well,KING MUMU THE FIRST...You think Prof. Akpan Ekpo,the current DG of WAIFEM is also a mumu because he said the same thing...

lygn19:
lol... I didnt quote u, u saw my post and looked at ur attributes and behavior and branded urself a mumu... is it my fault?
As for ur post, I don't need to read it, u re beneath me, go and argue with ur fellow mumus.

SilverSurfer:
The igbos have been in contact with the ijaws, ibibios, annangs, ikweres etc. for centuries now and it's not on record that they ever intimidated any of the above mentioned groups. Young man, it will be in your best interest to stop spewing trash.

scholes0:


But that is not entirely true sir....
Even though, prior to colonialization most Igbos lived in little ibdependent steads isolated from one another and dotted all over the land, they still had some history of clashes and attempt at domination with some of their eastern neighbours.
Now, imagine what would have been the case, if they were an empire building people with a civilization of note..

SilverSurfer:
Sir, if you don't mind, can you list 1 of such clashes.

scholes0:


The history of Arochukwu, An Original Ibibio homeland. The Ibibios arrived in Arochukwu from the Benue valley and founded early states like Obong Okon Ita and Ibom. After many years, Igbo immigrants came along from further North/West, and pressed into the Ibibio occupied territory and founded several states, which led to wars between the Aro subgroup of the Ibos and their Ibibio hosts. A stalemate occured, after which the Aros sought more reinforcement from their igbo brethren further west, which eventually led to the capture of the area. The Ibibio natives were acculturated or expelled.
Till today, the Ibibio elements of Arochukwu and environs is still very visible, but the culture is now Igbo dominated.

Go and read up on the Aro-Ibibio wars.
Just this one example, has already refuted your entire claim that Igbos were living with their Eastern neighbors in one big blissful neighborhood devoid of conflict and subjugation of entire cultures. You can never cook up lies and fables for enlightened people.

scholes0:

Just this one example, has already refuted your entire claim that Igbos were living with their Eastern neighbors in one big blissful neighborhood devoid of conflict and subjugation of entire cultures. You can never cook up lies and fables for enlightened people.

PabloAfricanus:

Interesting.



No it has not...you are going to need more instances of inter-ethnic warfare for you to even begin to call it a hypothesis.
Aro-Ibibio wars going by your citations so far is just an isolated instance.
Care to list more instances of Igbo vs neighbours wars?
I'm actually interested in the history and will be obliged.

scholes0:


This is beginning to bear strong synonymity with that classic case, where the wife always asks her husband: "what have you ever done for me?"
The husband cites one instance of when he has actually done something for her, and then, she dismisses that instance like it actually didnt happen, and then retorts: okay okay.. erm, apart from that one nko? which other things have you done?
The husband cites another instance, and she again dismisses it, and asks again, "okay okay, apart from the two previous times, which other time have you done anything for me? "
And the cycle continues like that ....

And having said that, I will cite you another case.
Do you know that various groups in Ebonyi state, especially the eastern areas, who are considered Igbo today, were riginally non-Igbo? I mean the Abakeleke-Obubra-Afikpo-Ugep axis.
Afikpo axis's original inhabitants were non-Igbo speaking groups such as the Egu and Ebiri, which are related to the modern day peoples of Northern cross river, such as the Yako and Bekwarra and other Benue-Congo peoples. These people were also victims of Igbo expansionism when wars were launched on them. Many fled, while others were assimilated.
Till today, there are still communal skirmishes between Eastern Ebonyi groups and those in Western Cross River, in places such as Abi LGA.

pazienza:


Ironsi wasn't the one who dissolved the regions and their autonomy, he merely united the federal civil service. It was Gowon and Awo that dissolved the regions and created dysfunctional entities called states.

It wasn't the Igbo man that cancelled the 50-50 sharing formula between the owners of resources and the FG, It wasn't the Igboman that created the Land use decree that stole the resource rich lands of ND and made it bonanza party for all Nigerian groups, especially the Arewa-Odua.

But I have never seen you utter any anti Yoruba or Northern words on this forum, you remain innately Igbophobic, your veneer is wearing thin bro.

Are you sure you are not from the lands west of Ikalands, you now sound exactly like them, your veneer is wearing off fast and furious, better answer your father's name now. An anti GEJ SS commoner? It must be freezing in hell.*grins*

Mapletraks:




@pazienza

It was the foremost father of the Ijaw Nation,
Chief Harold Dappa-Biriye from Bonny Island,
Ken Saro-Wiwa, and other non-Ibos in the
Old Eastern Region that told Gowan to create
States. Chief Awolowo had nothing to do
with the decision as you wrongly stated above.

In the Guardian of May 29, 1999, page 8 to page
9, Chief Harold Dappa-Biriye accused the Ibos
of dominating the minorities and of trying to
RIVAL the Yoruba who were ahead of them.

He also said the coup plotters of 1966 were sent
by their masters. He refered to the coup
plotters as School Boys who were sent to do
the bidding of the Ibo leadership of the 60s.

Dappa Biriye also said Ironsi's Decree 33 sent
fears of domination among the minorities of the
East and the North of Nigeria in that interview.

Chief Dappa Biriye took the CREDIT for the
creation of the states that Gen. Gowan created
on May 27, 1967!


Get a copy of that article if you can from
the Guardian Library or archives.

PabloAfricanus:


The state creation was standard divide and conquer strategy which Gowon as a military officer and administrator should
be quite familiar with.
Actually the decision to create states was a military one necessitated by the need to hole in Ojukwu and the
secessionists. Having said that, the goal was actually neutralizing Ojukwu's jurisdiction over the oil installations and hence
the oil revenues which he had mandated Shell to pay to Biafra and not Lagos.
Dappa Biriye cannot wholly take credit for that. While he might have had an input, I doubt if he was the originator.
The players involved were too international for him to influence to that level.
By that I mean that it was the British who gave Gowon the needed intelligence to call Ojukwu's bluff.
You can't fund a war on threats and agitations...you need cold hard cash. Cut that off and its over.
The British preferred to deal with Gowon than Ojukwu...and that was the undoing of Biafra.
It was the British who had the highest stakes in the Nigerian project and so...

Mapletraks:



@PabloAfricanus

Your conclusion is NOT necessarily 100%
accurate.

If you are conversant with the geo-politics of
Nigeria from 1914 and the events leading right
up to 1970, YOU would recall that there was a
strong movement in the 50s for the creation
of the Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers States [COR]
by the non-Ibos of the Old Eastern Region.

The movement of Southern Cameroon after the
plebiscite back to Cameroon their union with
Nigeria was as a result of this feeling of marginalisation in the Eastern Regional politics
among other reasons.

Third, if you recall or read up again, The Willinks
Minority Report was instituted to investigate the
strong agitation by the "minorities" in Nigeria. The Ijaws and the Cross Riverians had cried out
over the domination of their lands and appointments by the Ibos. This had led to the
call for the COR States in the 1950s by the
founder of the Niger Delta Congress, Dr. Harold
Dappa-Biriye, an ex-King's College student, and
other Old Eastern Region minorities.


Last but NOT least, I stand by my original post
on this thread that based on The Guardian article
of Thursday 27th May, 1999, pages 7 to 8, Joseph Ollor-Obari interviewed Chief Harold
Dappa-Biriye in Port Harcourt. In that explosive
article which I filed in my historical archives/library since 1999, Dappa-Biriye said Gen. Gowon was a 31-year-old man who had just
arrived from England and did NOT have a
complete idea of what to do. So, from September
3, 1966, he and other non-Ibos in the Old Eastern
Region impresses it on Gen. Gowon on the NEED
to create new states NOT regions. He said it
was the Memorandum or Petition written by all
Rivers leaders of thought that finally led to
General Gowon's creation if 12 new States.

States creation was NOT a military idea or
invention and certainly NOT by Chief Obafemi
Awolowo, SAN, as wrongly stated by @pazienza
in his post above. The Memorandum or Petition
by the Rivers State leaders of thought to
create states and not regions in 1966/7 is contained in the Appendix Section of Dr. Ken
Saro-Wiwa's book entitled, "On the Darkening Plain."


The Guardian article title of May 27, 1999, page
7 to 8 is "Democracy and Autocracy, My Testimony: Dappa-Biriye." I had to check my
digital organiser to get the full title of the article
and the EXACT date of publication as I do NOT
want to misinform the younger generation on
REAL historical events. I would have scanned
the article from Guardian and uploaded it on
this thread, but it is NOT located where I now live. So, for those of us who hate Historical Revisionism and the distortion of truth, YOU
can get to RUTAM HOUSE in Lagos State, along
Apapa-Oshodi Expressway to see if you can get
that exact publication to read from there archives
or library.

OkutaNla:
Lol. I'd be concerned and apprehensive about any prospects of a long-term political alliance with Ndigbo if I were in the shoes of your non-igbo neighbors too.

Such fears are not without justification, considering historical precedence and the overly aggressive and arrogant manner with which some militant igbos engender hostility in their relations with some of their neighbors.

Take the whole Lagos "no mans land" issue for example. If the igbos can exhibit the effrontery to lock horns with a major ethnic group like the Yorubas over ownership of Lagos in the Yorubas own region, how much more would they intimidate and dominate their more timid SS neighbors? It's a no-brainer, really.

I'd be seriously apprehensive about Ndigbo domination too if I were your neighbors.

Mapletraks:




@pazienza

It was the foremost father of the Ijaw Nation,
Chief Harold Dappa-Biriye from Bonny Island,
Ken Saro-Wiwa, and other non-Ibos in the
Old Eastern Region that told Gowan to create
States. Chief Awolowo had nothing to do
with the decision as you wrongly stated above.

In the Guardian of May 27, 1999, Page 7 to Page 8, Chief Harold Dappa-Biriye accused the Ibo
of dominating the minorities and of trying to
RIVAL the Yoruba who were ahead of them.

He also said the coup plotters of 1966 were sent
by their masters. He refered to the coup
plotters as School Boys who were sent to do
the bidding of the Ibo leadership of the 60s.

Dappa Biriye also said Ironsi's Decree 33 sent
fears of domination among the minorities of the
East and the North of Nigeria in that interview.

Chief Dappa Biriye took the CREDIT for the
creation of the states that Gen. Gowan created
on May 27, 1967!


Get a copy of that article if you can from
the Guardian Library or archives.

Mapletraks:




@pazienza

It was the foremost father of the Ijaw Nation,
Chief Harold Dappa-Biriye from Bonny Island,
Ken Saro-Wiwa, and other non-Ibos in the
Old Eastern Region that told Gowan to create
States. Chief Awolowo had nothing to do
with the decision as you wrongly stated above.

In the Guardian of May 27, 1999, Page 7 to Page 8, Chief Harold Dappa-Biriye accused the Ibo
of dominating the minorities and of trying to
RIVAL the Yoruba who were ahead of them.

He also said the coup plotters of 1966 were sent
by their masters. He refered to the coup
plotters as School Boys who were sent to do
the bidding of the Ibo leadership of the 60s.

Dappa Biriye also said Ironsi's Decree 33 sent
fears of domination among the minorities of the
East and the North of Nigeria in that interview.

Chief Dappa Biriye took the CREDIT for the
creation of the states that Gen. Gowan created
on May 27, 1967!


Get a copy of that article if you can from
the Guardian Library or archives.

pazienza:
Ojukwu and Eastern region leaders took cognizant of the Willink report, while creating Biafran provinces.

In Biafra, the Ahoada, the Ikwerre/Etche/Ogba/, the Ogoja were given provinces of their own, away from the Efik-Ibibio-Annang and Ijaws and hinterland Igbos

The Efik( Calabar province)had a province, like wise Annang( Annang province)and Ibbibio( Uyo province).

Every Biafran group complaint and fears were allayed.

Abagworo:


The issue was mostly words that came out from Igbos on the streets which declared Biafra an Igbo game and made mockery of other people or people with different view. It is not different from the way present day Igbos were all over fb, twitter and Nairaland abusing other Nigerians or even blackmailing their own like Rochas Okorocha. Biafra would have been a success story if well managed. The minorities have better package under Nigeria than under an Igbo dominated country.

superstar1:


Revisionist and liar. the Dahomey Amazons NEVER defeated the YORUBA NATION.

Instead, the yoruba nation through the egbas, dealt them eternally blow they never recovered from. That marked the end of their reign in Dahomey.

Can't id10ts like you have a thread, without bringing yorubas into your perennial whining like bush babies. If you want the thread to be derailed, we shall assist you in full measures.

Face your topic and your thread and leave us out of your imbecilic discussion.