I'll never refer to him as a she. That's my own way of showing dislike.

Bet I have every right to do so

thorpido:
The people saying his medals should be revoked are just resenting him.He won those medals fair and square and as long as there was no evidence of cheating or doping,he keeps them.The records can't even be changed because he had a sex change.
He is not just selfish,he's crazy too.Is he the oldest man to have a sex change?

As far as I know. Yes.
65yrs.

cococandy:

As far as I know. Yes.
65yrs.

It really took him so long.

Moana:
I would agree that what he did was rather crazy, but l would not entirely agree that it was selfish. He has always put his family first and he was able to raise his children until they were old enough to understand the decisions they made in life.

He cannot only live his life to please everyone else. Look at it this way he spent the first 65 years of his life being someone everybody else wanted to see and now he is spending the last years of his life being whom he has always wanted to be all his life.

He played his part when he was a husband and a father and now its time for him to live his life the way he has always wanted to live it, not the way society had always wanted it to be. Its crazy in everyone else's eyes but thats what makes him happy.

Hmmm.You're right.He has a right to whatever makes him happy within the confines of the law.

I don't have a problem with trans people, but anatomically speaking it is my opinion that trans women/men can never truly escape the reality of their pre-transitional state.

I don't think separate bathrooms are necessary, tho. Do we really need/want a set of four bathrooms everywhere? Nor do I feel they should be forced to their own subset of feminism, although there may be experiences out there unique to them. That really comes down to the person.

Am I offended by the term cisgendered? Mmm, not really, but I understand how the term(s) came into being since simply referring to women as "women" or "real women" would either get really confusing, or constantly underline the fact that they are other. Besides, they frequently compliment each other on looking especially "fish" or "cis" whenever they manage to pull it off really well so...

I don't think there's a need for such marginalization. Lest we forget, radical feminists are just like any other type of radical - they need not be paid heed.

Shollypopzz:


Babez, how far?

First of all, I don't understand what the fuss is about. Bruce Jenner is just another transgender. In fact, I think his choice to change is very selfish. If you are going to change, change before you have kids. Change before you deceive women into thinking you are who you are.

Look at his kids. Imagine how this decision affects them; Their father is now their mother??

I bet you that if this was an African American family, Bruce and the entire Katrashian family will not receive the praises they receive in the media today. They would be called ghetto and all sorts of names.

Kim got famous from a porn tape. She got pregnant for a rapper while legally married to another man. Khloe married a coke addict and Kylie is a high school drop-out. She is 17 and dating a grown man aged 25; she is a social media slut who posts naked pics like her older sister for attention. Kourtney has two kids out of wedlock. Rob is an overweight bastard who is sexually attracted to his sister- Kim.

Bruce/Caitlyn is NOT a hero, he is not the first transgender and he would not be the last. Nothing he has done is courageous, he is selfish. After three wives and five kids, you realize you do not feel like a man? Fvck him to the power of infinity! He is a damaged man who failed his kids.

is it that same mental disorder that rotates among the Americans that got to them or are they simply attention freaks? the family is too weird

Babymama1:
The world is messed up
That's all I can say
The whole world is jacked up
This is one more thing we should now accept
That a man can wake up one day and become a female and we all are expected to see it as normal not as an aberration
Back in 2006 I wrote that someday there will be a group of people that will insist that they are only attracted to and can only love and marry domestic animals and when they gather enough support they will become mainstream
It will happen someday
Mark my words

Where?

Surely not in the West where a palpable sense of animal rights exists, pets are practically worshipped - the home turf of sometimes extreme organizations like PETA?

AfricanApple:
is it that same mental disorder that rotates among the Americans that got to them or they are simply attention freaks. the family is weird

AfricanApple, it's been a while

DollyParton1:

Dayummm!!!! Girl, u is very pissed.
I wonder what the kids would be calling him now. Mom? Dad? She-Dad? He-Mum? Those kids must need therapy or something.


Truely to your analysis, that family is dysfunctional.

Shollypopzz:


Babez, how far?

First of all, I don't understand what the fuss is about. Bruce Jenner is just another transgender. In fact, I think his choice to change is very selfish. If you are going to change, change before you have kids. Change before you deceive women into thinking you are who you are.

Look at his kids. Imagine how this decision affects them; Their father is now their mother??

I bet you that if this was an African American family, Bruce and the entire Katrashian family will not receive the praises they receive in the media today. They would be called ghetto and all sorts of names.

Kim got famous from a porn tape. She got pregnant for a rapper while legally married to another man. Khloe married a coke addict and Kylie is a high school drop-out. She is 17 and dating a grown man aged 25; she is a social media slut who posts naked pics like her older sister for attention. Kourtney has two kids out of wedlock. Rob is an overweight bastard who is sexually attracted to his sister- Kim.

Bruce/Caitlyn is NOT a hero, he is not the first transgender and he would not be the last. Nothing he has done is courageous, he is selfish. After three wives and five kids, you realize you do not feel like a man? Fvck him to the power of infinity! He is a damaged man who failed his kids.

Brilliant, simply Brilliant!!!!

EnlightenedSoul:

AfricanApple, it's been a while

my dear, yes o. how have you been

AfricanApple:
my dear, yes o. how have you been

Good, you?

EnlightenedSoul:


Good, you?

I've been so so good my dear. and how how is the horn of africa

AfricanApple:
I've been so so good my dear. and how how is the horn of africa

We're hearing of positive strides. How are you liking Buhari?

Shollypopzz:


Babez, how far?

First of all, I don't understand what the fuss is about. Bruce Jenner is just another transgender. In fact, I think his choice to change is very selfish. If you are going to change, change before you have kids. Change before you deceive women into thinking you are who you are.

Look at his kids. Imagine how this decision affects them; Their father is now their mother??

I bet you that if this was an African American family, Bruce and the entire Katrashian family will not receive the praises they receive in the media today. They would be called ghetto and all sorts of names.

Kim got famous from a porn tape. She got pregnant for a rapper while legally married to another man. Khloe married a coke addict and Kylie is a high school drop-out. She is 17 and dating a grown man aged 25; she is a social media slut who posts naked pics like her older sister for attention. Kourtney has two kids out of wedlock. Rob is an overweight bastard who is sexually attracted to his sister- Kim.

Bruce/Caitlyn is NOT a hero, he is not the first transgender and he would not be the last. Nothing he has done is courageous, he is selfish. After three wives and five kids, you realize you do not feel like a man? Fvck him to the power of infinity! He is a damaged man who failed his kids.

How can I give this a trillion likes?

EnlightenedSoul:


Where?

Surely not in the West where a palpable sense of animal rights exists, pets are practically worshipped - the home turf of sometimes extreme organizations like PETA?

Animal brothels are on the rise in mainland Europe and Scandinavia. People come from as far as Asia and South America for these brothels. I'm also pretty sure that there are some states in the US where there are no laws that prohibit bestiality, therefore people can get away with raping an animal.

Salaam btw, ma fiican tahey walal?

ArtanK:


Animal brothels are on the rise in mainland Europe and Scandinavia. People come from as far as Asia and South America for these brothels. I'm also pretty sure that there are some states in the US where there are no laws that prohibit bestiality, therefore people can get away with raping an animal.

Salaam btw, ma fiican tahey walal?

GTFO, is that you, Artan? Adna waa salaamantahay, walaal. Welcome back

Animal brothels?! Is it covert/mainstream? Don't tell me about Europe, bro - that shyt would never fly mainstream in the U.S. Although, you're right in that at least 13 states have yet to outrightly outlaw the act. Still, that hasn't translated to beastiality attractions, nor a wide-scale or notable acceptance of beastiality. That number can only shrink.

EnlightenedSoul:


GTFO, is that you, Artan? Adna waa salaamantahay, walaal. Welcome back

Animal brothels?! Is it covert/mainstream? Don't tell me about Europe, bro - that shyt would never fly mainstream in the U.S. Although, you're right in that at least 13 states have yet to outrightly outlaw the act. Still, that hasn't translated to beastiality attractions, nor a wide-scale or notable acceptance. That number can only shrink.

Loool haa waa aniga. It was the last few months in Uni for me, I had to isolate myself from all social networks so I could put some work in. Sidee tahay walashey?

It is not covert but it isn't mainstream either. I don't think it will ever become mainstream for obvious reasons. It is on the rise here in Europe though, that's for sure.

End time thinz

ArtanK:


Loool haa waa aniga. It was the last few months in Uni for me, I had to isolate myself from all social networks so I could put some work in. Sidee tahay walashey?

It is not covert but it isn't mainstream either. I don't think it will ever become mainstream for obvious reasons. It is on the rise here in Europe though, that's for sure.

Waa iska fiicanahay How'd that go for you? Well, I hope.

Hmm, how bad is it? Like, what's the likelihood you know someone?

EnlightenedSoul:


We're hearing of positive strides. How are you liking Buhari?

I'm liking him so much, watching out for how he will manage his country plus I have a crush on him don't tell anybody o

AfricanApple:
I'm liking him so much, watching out for how he will manage his country plus I have a crush on him don't tell anybody o

That's an olddd man, AfricanApple, lol. No harm.

EnlightenedSoul:


Where?

Surely not in the West where a palpable sense of animal rights exists, pets are practically worshipped - the home turf of sometimes extreme organizations like PETA?

You realise it was perfectly legal in Denmark till this year when it was banned?

shaybebaby:

You realise it was perfectly legal in Denmark till this year when it was banned?

I realize I shouldn't have said "the West" all inclusively. I had no idea Denmark was into screwing sheep a year prior, or that there exists something called an "animal brothel".

Do you think there's a trend of moving towards, or away from it? In any case, I highly doubt it could ever gain mainstream acceptance. Definitely not in the U.S.!

EnlightenedSoul:



I realize I shouldn't have said "the West" all inclusively. I had no idea Denmark was into screwing sheep a year prior, or that there exists something called an "animal brothel".

Do you think there is a trend of moving towards, or away from it? I highly doubt it would gain mainstream acceptance.

I could not speak as to whether there is a trend. It has always been there in a small subset of the society. But I think the fact that world is more connected today die to technology has given those smaller pockets a chance to connect and make the issue seem like it is on the rise.
Would it garner mainstream acceptance, I seriously doubt it but would it fade into obscurity? Nope. If you like animals in that way, you just won't stop because the society has made it difficult, you simply find covert ways to do it.
And if you are smart like Nigerian pedophiles, you find a way into power and enact laws that legalises the act you enjoy

shaybebaby:

I could not speak as to whether there is a trend. It has always been there in a small subset of the society. But I think the fact that world is more connected today die to technology has given those smaller pockets a chance to connect and make the issue seem like it is on the rise.
Would it garner mainstream acceptance, I seriously doubt it but would it fade into obscurity? Nope. If you like animals in that way, you just won't stop because the society has made it difficult, you simply find covert ways to do it.
And if you are smart like Nigerian pedophiles, you find a way into power and enact laws that legalises the act you enjoy

I'd never expect it to fade into complete obscurity (it's always been there in pockets), but I reject the notion that it would become mainstream and/or widely-accepted due to the LGBT movement. That's a farce, IMO.

EnlightenedSoul:
I realize I shouldn't have said "the West" all inclusively. I had no idea Denmark was into screwing sheep a year prior, or that there exists something called an "animal brothel".

News to me too. I'm soooo sheltered .

EnlightenedSoul:
Do you think there's a trend of moving towards, or away from it? In any case, I highly doubt it could ever gain mainstream acceptance. Definitely not in the U.S.!

But there doesn't have to be a trend - just a powerful enough lobby. We have seen that with homosexuality. It's quite a simple template;
Rename it, i.e. peadophilia, is now called "inter-generational love". And homosexuals have "loving caring relationships

Then think about casting it as a "right", and something that does not hurt anyone - which indeed is even beneficial to the couple. And focus on the "loving" bit, with no mention of the actual practices - no matter how much of a disease vector it happens to be.

Pop them into mainstream media - films, tv etc. - and always portary them as cool and right on. In direct contrast to clumsy and awkward "normal people"

Have the chattering liberal classes distil it as the new orthodoxy and police, persecute and punish any dissent. Embed it into your laws like the Irish - voilá, you are good to go.

Take any liberal cause - aka sexually deviant behaviour - rinse and repeat.


TV

TV01:

News to me too. I'm soooo sheltered .


But there doesn't have to be a trend - just a powerful enough lobby. We have seen that with homosexuality. It's quite a simple template;
Rename it, i.e. peadophilia, is now called "inter-generational love". And homosexuals have "loving caring relationships

Then think about casting it as a "right", and something that does not hurt anyone - which indeed is even beneficial to the couple. And focus on the "loving" bit, with no mention of the actual practices - no matter how much of a disease vector it happens to be.

Pop them into mainstream media - films, tv etc. - and always portary them as cool and right on. In direct contrast to clumsy and awkward "normal people"

Have the chattering liberal classes distil it as the new orthodoxy and police, persecute and punish any dissent. Embed it into your laws like the Irish - voilá, you are good to go.

Take any liberal cause - aka sexually deviant behaviour - rinse and repeat.


TV

In as much as I love the rationale, with homosexuality I disagree. Whether or not it is deviant, the main crux for me is that both parties find themselves attractive and are capable of giving consent( of sound mind, no influence, legally recognised as able to act and make decisions as a person in their own right- not a minor), then it nobody's business as to the mechanics of their sexual activity.
I know you have your mrs, I know she is a consenting adult because she is now legally married to you, however I do not know if you tie each other up in bondage gear suspended from the ceiling or just go about it the good old fashioned way. Either way it is none of business because it has no impact on me personally.

TV01:

News to me too. I'm soooo sheltered .

You and I both

But there doesn't have to be a trend - just a powerful enough lobby. We have seen that with homosexuality. It's quite a simple template;
Rename it, i.e. peadophilia, is now called "inter-generational love". And homosexuals have "loving caring relationships

Then think about casting it as a "right", and something that does not hurt anyone - which indeed is even beneficial to the couple. And focus on the "loving" bit, with no mention of the actual practices - no matter how much of a disease vector it happens to be.

Pop them into mainstream media - films, tv etc. - and always portary them as cool and right on. In direct contrast to clumsy and awkward "normal people"

Have the chattering liberal classes distil it as the new orthodoxy and police, persecute and punish any dissent. Embed it into your laws like the Irish - voilá, you are good to go.

Take any liberal cause - aka sexually deviant behaviour - rinse and repeat.


TV

Different from LGBT, pedophilia and beastiality carry two controversial, deadly-to-the-cause undertones that wide-scale society, however liberal, can never accept with open arms:

1. Abuse.
2. Consent.

These two points are pivotal to the success of any liberal cause. Which is why associations such as NAMBLA will forever remain an object of avid disgust/rage, and shunned by the populace at large.

shaybebaby:
In as much as I love the rationale, with homosexuality I disagree. Whether or not it is deviant, the main crux for me is that both parties find themselves attractive and are capable of giving consent( of sound mind, no influence, legally recognised as able to act and make decisions as a person in their own right- not a minor), then it nobody's business as to the mechanics of their sexual activity.

I know you have your mrs, I know she is a consenting adult because she is now legally married to you, however I do not know if you tie each other up in bondage gear suspended from the ceiling or just go about it the good old fashioned way. Either way it is none of business because it has no impact on me personally.

The rational wasn't about "homsexuality" per se, or how deviant it is/isn't. It's about taking a socially unacceptable practice and normalising it. Homosexuality - and bestiality - has always been with us, it's about how it is culturally accepted and how to change that. The template applies.

And the "none of my business" notion doesnt cut both ways when a new orthodoxy is enforced. People who woul drather make homosexuality none of their business are forced to endorse or facilitate it.


TV

EnlightenedSoul:

Different from LGBT, pedophilia and beastiality carry two controversial, deadly-to-the-cause undertones that wide-scale society, however liberal, can never accept with open arms:

1. Abuse.
2. Consent.

These two points are pivotal to the success of any liberal cause. Which is why associations such as NAMBLA will forever remain an object of avid disgust/rage, and shunned by the populace at large.

Those are at best minor impediments - in fact, I believe I covered them off already.

1.
All they have ot show is that the relationships are in some ways beneficial. A claim that has been made for "intergenerational relationships".

2.
Minors can give consent - especially if the age of consent is lowered so that they are no longer minors. That is also being pursued. Currently 9 is seen as the target. Ultimately it wil be removed altogether.

NAMBLA and the homosexual lobby it is part of are just being practical in making it appear seperate - for the time being.

It's all out there - anyway, we shall see.


TV

Shollypopzz:


Babez, how far?

First of all, I don't understand what the fuss is about. Bruce Jenner is just another transgender. In fact, I think his choice to change is very selfish. If you are going to change, change before you have kids. Change before you deceive women into thinking you are who you are.

Look at his kids. Imagine how this decision affects them; Their father is now their mother??

I bet you that if this was an African American family, Bruce and the entire Katrashian family will not receive the praises they receive in the media today. They would be called ghetto and all sorts of names.

Kim got famous from a porn tape. She got pregnant for a rapper while legally married to another man. Khloe married a coke addict and Kylie is a high school drop-out. She is 17 and dating a grown man aged 25; she is a social media slut who posts naked pics like her older sister for attention. Kourtney has two kids out of wedlock. Rob is an overweight bastard who is sexually attracted to his sister- Kim.

Bruce/Caitlyn is NOT a hero, he is not the first transgender and he would not be the last. Nothing he has done is courageous, he is selfish. After three wives and five kids, you realize you do not feel like a man? Fvck him to the power of infinity! He is a damaged man who failed his kids.

Preach! All I see from the whole Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner coverage is a perpetuation of white privilege.