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Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 6:59pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
Dolaries: There are many articles on Igbe in Professor Peter Ekeh's Edited book, History of the Urhobo People of Niger Delta! Look for the works of Professor Michael Nabofa to know more about Igbe! He is the sole academic authority on Igbe religion. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by bezimo(m): 7:00pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy: Whether if there are fake igbes adherents or genuine igbe adherents.It doesn't change the fact that it is one of those extincting idolatrous religion. Christians are taught by Jesus to walk in love towards our neighbours and when you love people you tell them the truth, but Jesus Christ didnt teach Christians to accept, condone or celebrate idolatory.Never!!!!! |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by Nobody: 7:01pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy: Prof Nabofa was my HOD, still lectures us on African Cultures wow, will ask him for the Book directed on Monday.. Thank you 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by monday1962(m): 7:02pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
Thanks for the write up. There is no group of religion without some odd attribute. majority of their members are in most cases unaware of these details. for example, before building a church, first d out how the foundation is prepared. the kind of materials that under the place of worship. These is mostly known to the elders, both reasons and purpose. besides, there are so many unknown things in these wildly accepted believes, but we happily play along for the numbers. Mark this, in all the religions of the world, these are the keys. Your attitude, belief in one God, Purpose after good alone, holiness of body and spirit. The love of others. Then come these, What do you know about spirituality? Is it just in talking or doing also? Religion beliefs is to train our spiritual mind to help us overcome human weakness by opening your spiritual eyes to the fact that you more than your body. Your spirituality is revealed. In another word, wherever Gos is revealed to you in truth in his Pure spiritual power and he is worship in truth. You have a religion. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by athorello(m): 7:05pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
The Niger Delta style dance, "avbo, avbo" has it's root not far from here. Most of the early prophets and prophetesses where once Igbe priests. As a kid growing up I used to love their dance with their drums... Always like to star at the large mirror in the Ogwa... Wack correct Owoh soup with yam. Sometimes I think if I can still do all those stuffs again. But naija, yes I can. I for one condemn no religion. I know most of us fantasize more about Buddhism and other foreign religions but give little thought about our traditional religions. "Juju", fear... What am I even saying? We're all Christians. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by BraniacX(m): 7:08pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: Speak for yourself alone and your claim to metaphysical knowledge and truths is just that "your claim" while i believe and profess christ like you claim to do, I can't disqualify this religion from a cultural angle as it is us, ours and defines our culture but then unlike you i wouldn't judge them from a spiritual cum religious angle as my belief in christianity is absolute and that from a theological standpoint is an obvious bias and as such precludes me from passing judgement on the igbe religion but i gladly read about it nonetheless, because i can't and refuse to be divested from my history 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:09pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: Believe what you may.. Christians, as much as I know, are the most intolerant people I have ever met on earth. Most Christians destroy before they even examine. Mind you, I am not even an Igbe member. I was born a Christian and I sometimes flatter myself that I am one but when I see the practices and acts of Christians sometimes, I'd rather identify as an Igbe member or a Muslim! Igbe is not going extinct anytime soon. There is a center for Igbe studies now in Abraka. Igbe is practised in the UK and US and they are translating their liturgy to English gradually. Igbe remains and even though it has lost a lot to Christianity, it'll wax on and stronger. Scholars, especially in the arts, are already studying Igbe religion for its aesthetic aspects. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by chimeziepaul: 7:13pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
What can you say about Islam based on this perspective? bezimo: |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by bezimo(m): 7:17pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
BraniacX: If you can celebrate another religion with roots in idolatry your christianity is obviously complete fake.You can deceive yourself but not me. Besides I used the word "many" not all. So I guess you are in the few I didnt include because your phrase of "defines us" "our culture" makes me think you might be on your own and alone in that line of thinking. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by Nobody: 7:19pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
macof:You harsh no be small |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:21pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: Roots in idolatry?? Do you know what idolatry even means? Did you read my article on the origins of Igbe?? DO you think Christianity does not originate from Idolatry, based on the same parameters you yourself used to include Igbe?? Do you think that by denying Igbe as part of Urhobo/Isoko culture, that it does not exist as such? One person's denial doesn't change FACTS!!! The more you keep attacking Igbe on an Igbe thread, the more you show us the "Christian Love "!!! I am ready for you. I am not a member but I will defend Igbe to the bones because I've had it with self-righteous Christians who are so deluded that any way to God other than by their method is idolatry! How silly!!! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by bezimo(m): 7:21pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
chimeziepaul: Islam has its root in Abraham loins through Ishmeal. God gave a prophesy concerning Ishmeal.We see that manifested today. Disscussion on this is for another day. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by bezimo(m): 7:23pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy: Based on your definition of Idolatory educate my supposed ignorance on the bolded. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:24pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: You just seem to be so warped in your perfect Christian delusions today!!! If I am to argue with you using your own logic, you'd end up showing me more reasons to denounce Christianity and embrace more embracing religions like IGBE!!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:28pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: You said Igbe is idolatrous didnt you? I only included Christianity in your statement using your own criteria of inclusion in idolatry because these are the facts: Igbe believes in ONE GOD, so does christianity Igbe believes in LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF, so does Christianity Igbe believes in reaping what you sow, so does christianity Igbe believes in forgiveness, so does christianity Igbe believes in Ubiesha Etarakpo, Christianity believes in Jesus the son of Joseph etc etc etc Infact there are a hundred things that Igbe and christianity share in common. SO if Igbe is idolatrous then Christianity must logically be as well. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by izywzy: 7:35pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
When the british came to enslave us back then, none of these so called gods could do anything to help. Abacha and co made us suffer and still nothing.... LOL. Igbe ko ito ni. Mumu people injesting chalk. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by bezimo(m): 7:37pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy: The bolded truly speaks volumes on who you are and engaging you further on a robust back and forth discussion on this may be an exercise in futility so I wont even bother. Christians are the most intolerant according to you yet, when last did you hear that people were killed or destroyed in a christian dominated part of Nigeria due to religious intolerance or abusing of our christian faith.Yet we know were in Nigeria that happens against Christians frequently. You were born a christian. Sorry, no one is born a christian even if your family is headed by an Apostle or Pastor or even church founder.You become a Christian based on a conscious and deliberate decision between you and the Lord Jesus to follow him. You would rather become a muslim or Igbe adherent yet you were a supposed Christian. Life is a choice afterall and we live with the consequences of choices made in this life in the After life in Heaven or Hell. 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by MrHighSea: 7:38pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
Must one be religious or worship something? 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:39pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
izywzy: And now that we are CURRENTLY SUFFERING, what has Christianity done other than turn us to those who SUFFER and SMILE You started with a logic that inherently includes Christianity in the current dispensation. The past is gone, along with the gods. But what has Christianity done about terrorism, world hunger, wars, scarcity, etc. I have not seen it rain diamonds yet. I have not seen anyone smite down terrorists from the clouds yet or have you?? Meanwhile, Igbe is not a subscriber to your concept of the "gods"! Igbe has always been monotheistic and believed in one God like Christianity! 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by izywzy: 7:41pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy:Jesus was born immaculately dude |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:42pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: Christianity, to me, is an identity as much as our ethnic group is. It is a large covering wrapper to include everyone who was born into Christianity. Being BORN AGAIN in Christianity is a different thing entirely. You who claim to be a good christian should know this. Because Christians are peaceful doesnt mean they are not intolerant. Intolerance must not be violent as we see in the North. Intolerant may occur in verbal forms as we have seen with you today. It may also occur in other forms of exclusion, rejection, castigation, etc and as far as I am concerned, Christians are the most intolerant people in the world, save for violence! Mind you, Igbes also believe in the afterlife- heaven and hell kinda thought! Personally, I DONT! So that argument holds no waters for me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:43pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
izywzy: Lol. Okay mister, if you say so! Ubiesha had an "immaculate" experience with God as well. That equates the argument. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by bezimo(m): 7:44pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy: I quote from the excerpts "At worship services, the Igbe priest(s), always dressed in white dress and white head gears, administer(s) native chalk on the worshippers for their protection and fortification. This protection is predicated on the belief that witches and wizards are extremely powerful and possess the powers to maim and kill" How does this practice correlate with christianity, native chalk? How is this not same with what herbalist do to fortify people against evil things from happening to them. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by Nobody: 7:45pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
You lie... I know a lot about igbe adherents and have had many of them visit my home. They mostly come in facing with their backs. Unless you're telling me you don't know igbe. fratermathy: |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:47pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
bezimo: Oh yes! I have seen pastors give HOLY WATER to people to cure them and protect them against malevolent spirits. Christians submerge you in WATER three times to BAPTISE YOU! Some christian denominations, e.g., CCC, use CANDLES to pray! How are these not similar to what obtains in shrines? Continue with your logic, I am here for you. You think "Holy Water" which we can't even vouch for is better off than native chalk which has anti-poison and other good functions for the body? Oh Pulllessseee 3 Likes |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 7:50pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
Omudia: I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN IGBE PERSON DO THAT. The mere fact that you are saying this makes me question whether or not you have really met any IGBE UBIESHA adherent at all!!! Maybe you saw splinter Igbe based group members. It is certainly not Igbe Ubiesha. Ask those "friends" of yours which Igbe they dance. Walking with back. lol. How "Nollywoody"! Meanwhile, the bolded in your post is subject to your own Christian scrutiny. 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by Rick9(m): 7:51pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
fratermathy:Philosopher Spotted, don't mind all these Non-Philosophers jare 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by oweniwe(m): 7:59pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
If you ever listen to igbe songs/music.... Omoh... Your head will swell. Once they start beating drums, clapping and ticking d gong or tambourine... If u hear the rhythm, you will feel like floating in the air. It's got tons of old adherents in my village in ukwani... But young ppl aren't joining anymore. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by Naero(m): 8:01pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
I remember this Igbe pple from my NYSC days in ugbogui Edo state. Always percieved them as a kind of cult. Thanks for this expository piece 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by lumeneng22: 8:01pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
Mathias iroro, you forgot to mention the incessant ogogoro drinking and the turning of the Bible upside down under the sun to achieve their aim. |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 8:01pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
oweniwe: They've got nice songs bro. I concur! Young people are not joining because their age mates are not there. Igbe religion never created an atmosphere for youths of this generation. 1 Like |
Re: The First Monotheistic Religion In Nigeria: Igbe Religious Movement by fratermathy(m): 8:03pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
lumeneng22: That is not part of Igbe practices bro. I can categorically tell you that. Maybe one of these splinter Igbe based groups do it but certainly not Igbe Ubiesha which I have captured in my writeup. |
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