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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by pato405(m): 11:19am On Jul 30, 2015
I was exactly in your shoes about a yr ago, and guess what I did? Ofcourse I came back to naija and took the job. However, I delayed completing the acceptance letter for about 3 months to enable me complete my research work, earn my degree and also explore other alternatives of getting a job in the UK. truth be told, it's NOT easy embarking on that final decision to be back home, particularly when you think of the social amenities you enjoy in first world but comparatively lacking in Naija.

People who encourage you to stay behind and get a job in the US or get your papers always think it's that easy. You could be languishing in abject penury while in UK or US without a job, as a matter of fact, when you observe the high rate of job losses and shrinking economy in developed world, you'll be scared if you can ever get a job as soon as you need it. It could take you so many years of job search before you eventually find one , and even after you find one, high tax rates almost ruin your savings. Not every worker abroad saves more money than home-based workers. In my case, I wasn't even offered that much - NOT up to 250k at all, but I'm coping and I'm sure it'll definitely get better as there numerous opportunities to grow and advance in career. In addition, it's a federal job and the job security side of it was the major encouragement to accept the offer.

In conclusion, if you can finish you PhD first, please do so. Don't throw in the towel 6 months to your completing your studies simply because of a 250k job offer. Remember your pg research degree can always fetch you more offer. If you have completed it, then I will advice you to take up the offer and also explore avenues for better offer either in Naija or US/Uk. Keep your visa open to enable you move at any time.

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Anonymous1900: 11:44am On Jul 30, 2015
SaiBuharii:
All those your degrees you stated there don't move employers in Nigeria....most employers. It's experienve and performance they seek.

The Degrees you are getting is to get a good job. But the downside is 250 is low if you have about 2 yrs experience coupled with the degrees.

If you have ur complete papers, better sit down in the Usa. I don't think getting a 250k job should be a problem. Even banks pay that

Thanks maybe i was not clear enough in my original post and its my fault. The monthly offer after tax is not 250 (that was just a bench mark) but thanks for your input
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by olumyde5(m): 11:45am On Jul 30, 2015
@OP it seems you've already made your decision, let me just add that it would be better to round up research program since it ends in 6month. It will boost your chances for the future.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by yori: 12:07pm On Jul 30, 2015
All i can say is...Nigeria is highly unstable at the moment...economically and 'securitically' (hahahhaha)....please hustle it out in the US and get ur residency. At least that is one back up plan....if that company in question cannot wait for you, their loss. There are more companies out there that needs you, have you considered Norway, or Canada or Australia...just google how much ur pay will be and you will see what I am talking about. Please if u want a stable family and love life, forget naija for now, carry ur fiancé go USA and make una hustle am out. Gawd....i wish i was a guy!!

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 12:10pm On Jul 30, 2015
Anonymous1900:
Hello Everyone

Let me start by saying this is not an opportunity to judge or criticize my decisions or lack of it there of. I would also try to be as open and forthcoming as possible regarding all information to help you offer any opinions either from personal experience of inferred ideas.

I already have a direction am inclined to lean towards but its not set in stone and am very much open to ideas from others (I actually welcome it as i like to be thorough and get all the information i can have before making decisions)

I was recently offered a position in Nigeria due to start in a month at the latest however i am currently rounding off a research program in the united states (6 months to finish). The prospective employer will not defer the position till i finish in 6 months time. I had interviews with the vice president of the company when i was in Nigeria last year and a couple of other interviews but i guess due to the instability of the economy (elections and all), the offer never materialized till now. i consider the offer a place to start and while I cant be specific about the exact figure here, its upwards of 250k/month after Tax.

Before you make your decisions based on the offer or my current academic situation, here is a little about me. I have a BSc (Nigeria), MSc (Uk) and MEng (USA).... All in engineering (so i wont consider the figure impressive however its not an entry position and that is my basic pay so there are other benefits). i have paid work experience in the Uk and US and took up an unpaid work experience in an Oil & gas servicing company in Nigeria for about 6 months. needless to say i am well educated but without enough experience in my chosen field and this offer hopes to fill that void.

if you also want to ask why am i not eager to come back to Nigeria? the economy seems fairly unstable now, Iran deal is sure to devastate the oil sector further and destabilize the Nigerian economy even more for those that understand the vicissitudes of the Iran deal. I do have access to getting residency papers in the USA which will coincide with the time i finish my research or a few months after without doing anything shady or sinister (most of my family are here anyway). I am also fully aware that with or without papers, jobs are not automatic any where but you will agree with me that its a little easier abroad than in Nigeria. a good example is the current offer i am considering where i still needed an introduction to setup the interviews and even though i did all the grunt work, i wont have even gotten in the door without knowing someone. The company as a matter of policy does not even advertise positions.

A little about the company: international company with huge investment portfolio in the millions of dollars, where its based should not be important but its on the island. cant reveal more than that about the company.

[b]please let me know what you think or what you would do in my shoes. Also i would be happy to answer any questions that help you offer better advise provided its something i can reveal[/b]

Thanks in advance


This is a poor write-up by someone who is seeking advice.

How can you get good advice if you are not providing good information?

You are doing research in what environment? ...........As a PhD student? As a Post-doctoral researcher? Or for a company/foundation/government?

Depending on what it is, the answer would take a direction.

250K+?

Let me double that and make it 500K since you are not specific or giving a ballpark. That is like $2K or £1K+ considering the recent devaluation of the naira due to the Cretin of Otuoke's mismanagement of the economy.

That does not seem a lot for someone that has an MEng from the States. Or is it not the same United Kingdom of Yankee where an MEng is a postgrad and an avenue to $90K+ jobs?

What is you prior work experience? How many years of experience do you have?

What benefits come with the job? A N2m a year apartment in Lekki Phase 8.9? Plus a Range Rover with driver and a cook? 2% bonus potential or 100%? Kids education in British international school .............................sorted?

How much does the benefits supplement the salary? Without details, how can we judge the value?

So much dearth of valuable information you should have provided, it is shocking.

You want advice on incomplete information?

This is like me asking you if a man in Papau New Guinea should buy a generator or a car? He is 45 years old with four kids? What would your advice be?

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Nobody: 12:15pm On Jul 30, 2015
jaybee3:


Your questions aren't clear

However, the oil industry requires specialist skills and there would always be recruitment gap in that industry so it's fair to conclude that graduates with good degrees from recognized/accredited institutions stand a good chance of getting employed after graduation
my point is .....getting a juicy job is not a child's play anywhere.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by rebranded(m): 12:25pm On Jul 30, 2015
My observation Op

It doesnt seem like you like the states and worried about job opportunities/securities if you decide to stay there

Heres what i think. N250k is small money especially in lagos, and for someone that has spent couple of years abroad, it will probably not be in enough for you to get the basic things you are used to.

Also getting your residency is very key to moving to Nigeria, just incase things are not like you plan (God forbid, but the company with the off folds up or lay people off in the near future). what do you do?

Since they will not wait any longer i see your dilemma..I would suggest you stay in the US at least till you get your residency (if its certain) then try and get some experience before moving to Nigeria, by then you will be getting offers over N500k and have the security of returning whenever you want

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by yori: 12:28pm On Jul 30, 2015
Sagamite:


This is a poor write-up by someone who is seeking advice.

How can you get good advice if you are not providing good information?

You are doing research in what environment? ...........As a PhD student? As a Post-doctoral researcher? Or for a company/foundation/government?

Depending on what it is, the answer would take a direction.

250K+?

Let me double that and make it 500K since you are not specific or giving a ballpark. That is like $2K or £1K+ considering the recent devaluation of the naira due to the Cretin of Otuoke's mismanagement of the economy.

That does not seem a lot for someone that has an MEng from the States. Or is it not the same United Kingdom of Yankee where an MEng is a postgrad and an avenue to $90K+ jobs?

What is you prior work experience? How many years of experience do you have?

What benefits come with the job? A N2m a year apartment in Lekki Phase 8.9? Plus a Range Rover with driver and a cook? 2% bonus potential or 100%? Kids education in British international school .............................sorted?

How much does the benefits supplement the salary? Without details, how can we judge the value?

So much dearth of valuable information you should have provided, it is shocking.

You want advice on incomplete information?

This is like me asking you if a man in Papau New Guinea should buy a generator or a car? He is 45 years old with four kids? What would your advice be?



jeez mahn....what else do you want the poor guy to say before you can actually give him an advise...he's whole life history?? Be nice and advise him...not condemning his write up....

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 12:38pm On Jul 30, 2015
yori:




jeez mahn....what else do you want the poor guy to say before you can actually give him an advise...he's whole life history?? Be nice and advise him...not condemning his write up....

You can't give him good advice based on the information he has given. undecided

What do you know about his value?

What do you know about his opportunity cost?

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by ttmacoy: 12:40pm On Jul 30, 2015
I would expect he earns minimum $70k with prospects for a lot mor based on his qualifications. Depending on where he is living i.e. aside the likes of NY or LA, that I worth a lot and can afford him a good start with good disposable income.

On the like for like basis i.e. professional al job to professional job you cannot even compare salaries.

Another point with Nigeria is the man know man issue. I have a friend who got a job at Glo thorough his uncle. He hates the job as he is not learning much and not progressing much, and worse he was transferred to Ghana, but because he cannot ge another job he is now stuck in Ghana in a role he hates.

In the US you get jobs mostly based on your skills and experience and are not tied to any employer. You have freedom.

Also the fact he has 6 months left on a 4 year PhD program and nearly getting his residency I don't think N250k is worth dumping his PhD with 6 months to go and his residency.

I know someone else who earns good pay, not the level of millions a month by good pay yet the stress. She leaves home 5am just to avoid traffic and after work stays at her mother in law till 11pm. What kind of life is that?

majekdom2:
will he earn more than this in an equivalent firm abroad ?

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by jaybee3(m): 12:41pm On Jul 30, 2015
majekdom2:
my point is .....getting a juicy job is not a child's play anywhere.

That's no reason to undervalue oneself

He has experience with relevant qualifications so no point making himself desperate

We are talking about engineering not some social science course

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by ttmacoy: 1:01pm On Jul 30, 2015
Even If he plans to settle in Nigeria, the right time still is not now as it makes no sense abandoning his program with 6 months to go and also he may as well get his residency as back up.

You need options in life


Forward1:
The decision is very simple to make. If you desire to relocate or settling in Nigeria someday; the right time is now since you've gotten a platform to do that. I'll advice not to bother yourself with the current economic situation (no economy is stable). On the otherhand, if you don't desire settling in Nigeria then forget about the 250k offer (you'll get something worthwhile in the US after ur programme). Don't take decision base on any economy situation anywhere. Some persons with less of your exposure & educational qualification are living like kings & queens in Nig while some persons with more of your exposure & educational qualifications are living like slaves in the US. GRACE IS EVERYTHING. (brevity is the soul of wit)
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by ttmacoy: 1:04pm On Jul 30, 2015
Many do. And the fact he can get his green card means he had more chances to.

There are lots of Jobs in the UK and the US, the main issue is many thanks the employers ar not willing to sponsor to work permit, but if you already have papers there are jobs.

majekdom2:
how many Nigerians/ immigrants get employed in these oil firms abroad ? What are the perequsite? From experience and knowledge , passion come first then experience before qualification. Qualification comes first in the educational sector. I hope am right ?
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by yori: 1:06pm On Jul 30, 2015
Sagamite:


You can't give him good advice based on the information he has given. undecided

What do you know about his value?

What do you know about his opportunity cost?


uh? wassup with this guy shocked shocked...na only you go school..?

You sound like dem kind of pple when they ask 1+1....rather than saying the logical answer, you go on and on to write up an equation.

Why do you really want to know his value or opportunity cost before u can render an advice?? Dem other pple here are giving a round up summary of their own advice based on Anonymous 1900's present circumstances....can't you just deduce from that? He also quoted at the beginning of this forum to say...

'I would also try to be as open and forthcoming as possible regarding all information to help you offer any opinions either from personal experience of inferred ideas'....IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU??

Oya Mr, Anonnymous 1900...please whats your opportunity cost and your value? This is needed before PROFESSOR SAGAMITE can render his advice..lolllll

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Forward1(m): 1:18pm On Jul 30, 2015
ttmacoy:
Even If he plans to settle in Nigeria, the right time still is not now as it makes no sense abandoning his program with 6 months to go and also he may as well get his residency as back up.

You need options in life




i understand ur point of view but i provided an alternative in my advice... And for him to have given the offer in Nig a thought means he can do away with the programme.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by ttmacoy: 1:21pm On Jul 30, 2015
Well you are right he has entertained the thought.

I think he has been given different advice here so it's up to the poster to decide which suits him better.

Forward1:



i understand ur point of view but i provided an alternative in my advice... And for him to have given the offer in Nig a thought means he can do away with the programme.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by ifewise(m): 1:27pm On Jul 30, 2015
PLS DON'T COME BACK TO NIGERIA
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 1:34pm On Jul 30, 2015
yori:



uh? wassup with this guy shocked shocked...na only you go school..?

You sound like dem kind of pple when they ask 1+1....rather than saying the logical answer, you go on and on to write up an equation.

Why do you really want to know his value or opportunity cost before u can render an advice?? Dem other pple here are giving a round up summary of their own advice based on Anonymous 1900's present circumstances....can't you just deduce from that? He also quoted at the beginning of this forum to say...

'I would also try to be as open and forthcoming as possible regarding all information to help you offer any opinions either from personal experience of inferred ideas'....IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU??

Oya Mr, Anonnymous 1900...please whats your opportunity cost and your value? This is needed before PROFESSOR SAGAMITE can render his advice..lolllll

He is essentially asking for you to advice him if it would be beneficial for him to move to Nigeria at the price offered.

If you do not know what his value is AND what else he could get with his qualificational, experiential and intellectual assets, then your advice is as meaningless as telling a pregnant stranger that pregnancy is the best thing that could happen to her.

Yours sincerely,

Professor Sagamite of the Sagamu Institute of Technology.

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Anonymous1900: 1:36pm On Jul 30, 2015
Thanks to everyone so far for your candid opinion. cant express how grateful i am that so many people will take the time from their busy schedule to offer advise to a stranger.

To shed a bit more light on the matter, i will try and answer most of the issues raised that her skewing decisions to either come back or stay back.

1. I do not have to be in the USA physically to obtain my residency papers when the time comes.

2. I have had a little experience with offers to people in nigeria from abroad or within: I was offered a position in 1 of the audit companies in Nigeria few years back after just after obtaining my MSc from the UK and the pay was about 150k before Tax. I was also offered a position with an oil servicing firm in Nigeria and the pay was 103k exactly before Tax (I was shocked).

3.Irrespective of any additional benefits to the package, I will not be paying for rent,electricity or any other bills related to such for at least a year or till i decide to get my own place. i will also be staying on the island

4. i do have a car so i wont need to buy a car irrespective of if a vehicle is provided for me or not

5. I do not consider the basic pay or the added benefits a major deciding factor though it does play a role i must admit cos as many of you have right fully pointed out, i CAN obviously get better pay (operative word being CAN which guarantees nothing).

6. There is no doubt that there are multiple opportunities in the USA but i assure you its not as automatic/direct as some of you have painted it to be and comparing the pay abroad to the pay in Nigeria is a little skewed ( companies will most often offer renumeration based on the market forces in their operating country unless they operate as an international entity and structure their pay as such. while that occasionally happens and we all know a few people that fall into that lucky bracket in Nigeria, it is not the norm.)

7. I also have 6months left from a 24 month program as i dint start from scratch (and not 6 months left from a 4 year program) though that does not really change anything.

8. if the offer was for 1 million/ month and i had a year left, i would still try to do everything i can to find a way to finish or run a distant learning program or something along those lines. (needless to say my first instinct is never to jump ship or abandon what i started)

9. I am also not particularly excited about parking my life into a box and moving thousands of miles

10. A particular selling point about the position (In Nigeria) for me is the fact that its a specialist engineering position and not me cross carpeting (ie an engineer taking a banking position or a pharmacist working in a telecoms company. i am not saying there is anything wrong with that nor am i belittling decisions made by others, just an observation)

11. A particular selling point about staying back in the US is the life i have come accustomed to and the fact most things work the way they should and the future opportunities possible

After all said and done id like to think "Fortune favors the Bold"

thanks again for all your inputs from the depth of my heart and look forward to reading more opinions as i navigate this corner of my future.
P.s (i am a christian for those that asked and i have made it so far only cause of him, so he his always first in all decisions)

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by yori: 1:38pm On Jul 30, 2015
Sagamite:


He is essentially asking for you to advice him if it would be beneficial for him to move to Nigeria at the price offered.

If you do not know what his value is AND what else he could get with his qualificational, experiential and intellectual assets, then your advice is as meaningless as telling a pregnant stranger that pregnancy is the best thing that could happen to her.

Yours sincerely,

Professor Sagamite of the Sagamu Institute of Technology.


.....sigh.......
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Uwaomapaul(m): 1:41pm On Jul 30, 2015
my dear, i dnt like commenting on people's thread but these your own is a different case, i graduated since 2012 still unemployed due to the situation of this country, right now am not searching for job again even if i see one my mind is not longer here, i will personally advice you, maybe i u said your family is residing over there means u from a weathy or average family. We the naija born strongulars are looking for a means to cross there even if is two weeks Visa. No matter how good you think this economy be be in future u can never compare it with USA, perhaps, there is thousants of opportunity over there. If the company promise you 500k pls dnt listen to them stay there jobs in Nigeria have no security.God help you to make a good decision.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by ayandee: 1:41pm On Jul 30, 2015
Stay put in the US. That salary (250k) is too small compared to the opportunities that await you in the US. The man-no-man syndrome here is a huge problem when it comes to job search. You will get a job in the US in due time. Be patient.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 1:55pm On Jul 30, 2015
ayandee:
Stay put in the US. That salary (250k) is too small compared to the opportunities that await you in the US. The man-no-man syndrome here is a huge problem when it comes to job search. You will get a job in the US in due time. Be patient.

What if his benefits includes:

- A 2 bedroom fully-serviced flat in Ikoyi that is 10 minutes drive from his office OR N6m a year housing allowance (cash equivalent).
- A Toyota Prado with a driver that is all expense paid or annual cash equivalent of N2m.
- Relocation allowance of N6m.
- Full Health insurance and access to top private hospitals.
- 80% bonus potential.

Is the offer still small?

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by jaybee3(m): 1:58pm On Jul 30, 2015
Sagamite:


What if his benefits includes:

- A 2 bedroom fully-serviced flat in Ikoyi that is 10 minutes drive from his office OR N6m a year housing allowance (cash equivalent).
- A Toyota Prado with a driver that is all expense paid.
- Relocation allowance of N6m.
- Full Health insurance and access to top private hospitals.
- 80% bonus potential.

Is the offer still small?

I see your point even though it's almost impossible for him to get such package when he isn't being employed as an SA to PEJ
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by okoomoge2(m): 2:01pm On Jul 30, 2015
In the present state of the O&G industry, what counts more now is your experience to add value and keep CAPEX below AFE and minimal OPEX for existing assets.

Please new project that are undergoing VARs at gate 2 are throughly scrutinised for definition leading to FID. All MNC are doing engineering in house now to be firm on cost associated with execution (EPIC). This means most MNC are recruiting experienced hands with proven expertise from consulting firm, EPIC contractors.

This is not era for degrees, tough time require tough measures. Most shareholders of super majors, still want dividends despite oil price heading south.

My 2 cents, take the Nigeria job and build your hands-on experience.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 2:03pm On Jul 30, 2015
yori:



.....sigh.......

If you don't know how pregnancy disrupts her future plans, under what circumstances she got pregnant, who or what calibre of man got her pregnant, what her financial situation is etc, your advice it meaningless.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 2:05pm On Jul 30, 2015
jaybee3:


I see your point even though it's almost impossible for him to get such package when he isn't being employed as an SA to PEJ

He does not need to reveal anything, but he needs to give ballpark indicators for one to advice him.

Another approach is to say the financials does not matter and we should advice him based on emotional factors, if that is what he really wants.

The information is way too insufficient for giving him any sensible advice.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by bxcode(m): 2:06pm On Jul 30, 2015
Op, have you thought of seeking God's direction in this matter at all? The advise you will get here is only based on the prism of what the eyes can see, but you and know that it goes beyond that. Am not trying to sound spiritual but i believe if you just ask God in your heart to show you the right way, he surely will and you will be glad you did at the end. All the best sir.
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Sagamite(m): 2:09pm On Jul 30, 2015
bxcode:
Op, have you thought of seeking God's direction in this matter at all? The advise you will get here is only based on the prism of what the eyes can see, but you and know that it goes beyond that. Am not trying to sound spiritual but i believe if you just ask God in your heart to show you the right way, he surely will and you will be glad you did at the end. All the best sir.

Another useless Nigerian. smh. undecided

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Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Anonymous1900: 2:19pm On Jul 30, 2015
At sagamite;

i appreciate your input but i must implore you to please refrain from attacking other contributors verbally or otherwise (that is referred to as cyber bullying) .

I would be very greatful if you don't scare away potential contributors with your harsh rhetorics, everyone is entitled to their opinion just like you and i don't want this thread to be diverted from its main purpose.

Thanks for your understanding
Re: An Urgent Decision On A Job Offer by Forward1(m): 2:32pm On Jul 30, 2015
ttmacoy:
Well you are right he has entertained the thought.

I think he has been given different advice here so it's up to the poster to decide which suits him better.


yeah, only him can decide. If i may ask; if you were in his shoe what would you have done? Be candid.

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