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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Excellentmind: 3:04pm On Aug 02, 2015
Image123:
In this age of cheap internet, free access to google and other search engines, with online news media. It is unfortunate that many are attempting to twist and turn VERY RECENT History in everyone's face. i will like to use this thread to remind us with verifiable links what obtained in the GEJ administration as regards our oil refineries. In a nutshell(for those who don't want to read long post), the past administration/government lacked progressive direction as regards the refineries. The below facts are things everyone knows even though some choose to forget.

As at November 23, 2012, the news was "Refineries’ turnaround maintenance to start first quarter 2013"

Below are some excerpts from the news report, all are free to read the full report from the link given.





The next month of that same year, December 15, 2012. The story developed k-leg. The headline was "[url=http://www.punchng.com/news/fg-drops-planned-refinery-projects-%E2%80%A2jonathan-must-tackle-fuel-subsidy-corruption-labour/]FG drops planned refinery projects •Jonathan must tackle fuel subsidy corruption–Labour[/url]"

Here are some excerpts from the report.


The above quotes would have been funny if they were not utterly pathetic. It was all mouth, no action.


Ten days later, Christmas day, it was still discordant tunes as regards refining crude oil in Nigeria.
December 25, 2012, News headlines read "NNPC plans to repair three refineries with N152bn"
Some excerpts from the report are in the quote below.


Don't hiss just yet, the drama continues one year later.

November 28, 2013, the story had not improved in any way. The headline was "FG completes negotiations for Port Harcourt refinery"
Some excerpts from the reports are in the quote below.



It'leaves much to be desired when less than a year before, billions of naira were said to be approved and paid for maintenance, and we were expected to have billions of litres of products in 2013. But by November 2013, they were finally completed on selling the refinery without any so called 18.64 billion litres of products derived from local refining.

Enter last year, January 3, 2014. The news had it that "Jonathan hasn’t approved sale of refineries, says Abati" Don't get dizzy by the ding-dong, fasten your seat belts and read some excerpts from the report in the quote below.



So, did anything concrete or progressive happen all through last year as regards our four refineries? [size=13pt]NO[/size]. You can be sure, it would have being in the TRANSFORMATION campaigns. By the ending of the year, last year, our refineries were still hopeless despite all the billions of naira spent on TAM and all the failed promises.
November 24, 2014, News was "Oil slump: Nigeria’s crude refining to drop further" Our REFINING dropped further, the GEJ government did not sell them or produce anything tangible for the benefit of the country.
Some excerpts from the news report are in the quote below.


Quite a grim report, the unpatriotic acts and deliberate sabotage in the past government was unchecked. Did elections, campaigns and a new year improve anything during the GEJ administration? NO

This year 2015. March 3, 2015. This was ELECTIONS month, if the GEJ administration had any hope as regards our 4 refineries, any sort of joker, or light at the end of the tunnel, this was the time they would have presented it. GEJ would have gone to commission it, but even the very tunnel was taken away as soon as there was ever hope of light at the end of the tunnel. The news reads "Lack of support by labour stalls refineries’ sale"
To sell or to repair, to sell or to repair, to sell or to repair, March 3, mini mini mani mo. Well, some of the excerpts from the report are in the quote below.



The past FG wanted so badly to sell the refineries but for pressure from the labour people, and to avoid POLITICAL instability. Elections were coming and they didn't want any Occupy NNPC or whatever similar thing that might have disturbed them politically. It is therefore unfair and even criminal for anyone to commend the past administration for the current and sudden progress, development and production being experienced at the Nation's four refineries.
Finally, to the more recent and popular news about 2016 and the refineries. Any serious person as at that date knows this was yet another unserious promise. March 5, 2015, news headlines said "Refineries will produce 400,000bpd in 2016 – NNPC"

Excerpts from the reports below.


Here we are, its the beginning of August and the reports are that our refineries have started to work. Thanks to former President Jonathan? Really? Reality clearly shows he didn't even have an idea or clue.

Op, are you saying that this administration has brought the refineries on stream? If yes, then there something you know which we don't. Tell us.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Excellentmind: 3:05pm On Aug 02, 2015
Image123:
In this age of cheap internet, free access to google and other search engines, with online news media. It is unfortunate that many are attempting to twist and turn VERY RECENT History in everyone's face. i will like to use this thread to remind us with verifiable links what obtained in the GEJ administration as regards our oil refineries. In a nutshell(for those who don't want to read long post), the past administration/government lacked progressive direction as regards the refineries. The below facts are things everyone knows even though some choose to forget.

As at November 23, 2012, the news was "Refineries’ turnaround maintenance to start first quarter 2013"

Below are some excerpts from the news report, all are free to read the full report from the link given.





The next month of that same year, December 15, 2012. The story developed k-leg. The headline was "[url=http://www.punchng.com/news/fg-drops-planned-refinery-projects-%E2%80%A2jonathan-must-tackle-fuel-subsidy-corruption-labour/]FG drops planned refinery projects •Jonathan must tackle fuel subsidy corruption–Labour[/url]"

Here are some excerpts from the report.


The above quotes would have been funny if they were not utterly pathetic. It was all mouth, no action.


Ten days later, Christmas day, it was still discordant tunes as regards refining crude oil in Nigeria.
December 25, 2012, News headlines read "NNPC plans to repair three refineries with N152bn"
Some excerpts from the report are in the quote below.


Don't hiss just yet, the drama continues one year later.

November 28, 2013, the story had not improved in any way. The headline was "FG completes negotiations for Port Harcourt refinery"
Some excerpts from the reports are in the quote below.



It'leaves much to be desired when less than a year before, billions of naira were said to be approved and paid for maintenance, and we were expected to have billions of litres of products in 2013. But by November 2013, they were finally completed on selling the refinery without any so called 18.64 billion litres of products derived from local refining.

Enter last year, January 3, 2014. The news had it that "Jonathan hasn’t approved sale of refineries, says Abati" Don't get dizzy by the ding-dong, fasten your seat belts and read some excerpts from the report in the quote below.



So, did anything concrete or progressive happen all through last year as regards our four refineries? [size=13pt]NO[/size]. You can be sure, it would have being in the TRANSFORMATION campaigns. By the ending of the year, last year, our refineries were still hopeless despite all the billions of naira spent on TAM and all the failed promises.
November 24, 2014, News was "Oil slump: Nigeria’s crude refining to drop further" Our REFINING dropped further, the GEJ government did not sell them or produce anything tangible for the benefit of the country.
Some excerpts from the news report are in the quote below.


Quite a grim report, the unpatriotic acts and deliberate sabotage in the past government was unchecked. Did elections, campaigns and a new year improve anything during the GEJ administration? NO

This year 2015. March 3, 2015. This was ELECTIONS month, if the GEJ administration had any hope as regards our 4 refineries, any sort of joker, or light at the end of the tunnel, this was the time they would have presented it. GEJ would have gone to commission it, but even the very tunnel was taken away as soon as there was ever hope of light at the end of the tunnel. The news reads "Lack of support by labour stalls refineries’ sale"
To sell or to repair, to sell or to repair, to sell or to repair, March 3, mini mini mani mo. Well, some of the excerpts from the report are in the quote below.



The past FG wanted so badly to sell the refineries but for pressure from the labour people, and to avoid POLITICAL instability. Elections were coming and they didn't want any Occupy NNPC or whatever similar thing that might have disturbed them politically. It is therefore unfair and even criminal for anyone to commend the past administration for the current and sudden progress, development and production being experienced at the Nation's four refineries.
Finally, to the more recent and popular news about 2016 and the refineries. Any serious person as at that date knows this was yet another unserious promise. March 5, 2015, news headlines said "Refineries will produce 400,000bpd in 2016 – NNPC"

Excerpts from the reports below.


Here we are, its the beginning of August and the reports are that our refineries have started to work. Thanks to former President Jonathan? Really? Reality clearly shows he didn't even have an idea or clue.

Op, are you saying that this administration has brought the refineries on stream? If yes, then there is something you know which we don't. Tell us.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by menxer: 3:14pm On Aug 02, 2015
all4naija:

I am not living in the hellhole. The Nigerian government doesn't rule over me yet but you. Do something to make them fix the rotten infrastructure and bring better development to the nation. Is that too much to ask for?

thanks for the concern, but you need not take panadol for our headache.
so face your front, oga sir!

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by StOla: 3:36pm On Aug 02, 2015
genearts:
Woooow...

This is probably one of the best write up I have read on NL, very factual and amusing. Kudos to the OP

If I was GEJ, I will hire professional assassins to take out Deziani, NNPC GMD and members of the board of directors because it is very obvious that he was deceived, sabotaged, mis-led, fooled, pissed on. The truth is nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing was wrong with the refineries, all it need was crude oil.

Cluelessness is indeed worst than HIV. Smh

You can say that again. Especially when your are a leader and you are clueless.

Even goodluck is not enough to remedy the misery that is sure to come.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by free2ryhme: 3:37pm On Aug 02, 2015
Happiness87:
don't be silly, TAM started October last year.

who told you that the refineries were not working??

They were working but not to its full capacity. stop embarrassing yourself online just because you want to be heard. Even Buhari has distanced himself from the refinery functionality and you are here screaming poo.

Trash coming a ratchet is not worth the arguement.

Your man friend will be happy ur stupîdity knows no bound.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by clevadani: 3:44pm On Aug 02, 2015
Happiness87:
i thought you said it was budgetted for in 2012,

fool come lemme lecture you.

In 2013, Foreign experts. were in charge of TAM, after their assessments the cost of TAM was too high, The then minister suggested that instead of putting that much into the refinery, it should be sold out.
Consultations were made for the selling but Labour rejected the idea of selling it. Plans for the sales were cancelled. Then Local companies were consulted and they gave a relatively lower cost. and Gej approved it.

work began in October 2014.
go and learn the nitty gritties of project management, supply and logistics, Engineering, procurement and construction.
i don't have time to lecture you.

if you were expecting the project in 2013.
Initial contract with foreign firms were cancelled. -2013

plans to sell began -2013

plans to sell was cancelled. -2014

contract awarded to indigenous firm - 2014

project began - October 2014.

the builders and foreign consultants had a timeline of 18months because they planned a total overhauling, but the local company used 9 months

idiot stop allowing Apc to masturbate your brains


I give up
Keep deluding yaself

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by teamchocolate: 3:45pm On Aug 02, 2015
Happiness87:
HE-goat, HE is not taking glory from the refineries,

did the refineries then appear from thin air. ewu

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by 989900: 3:49pm On Aug 02, 2015
Happiness87:
my response to sentimental bigotted poo posted by 989900


Your personal opinion


yes, because the foreign company that was saddled with the responsibility of revamping the refinery gave high quotation, it was better to sale it off than repair the refinery at that cost.

did importation of fuels start under GEj, even with the refineries working at full capacity would it have met the needs of nigerians daily, or do you suggest that the nation should shut down to importation and wait for the refineries to be refurbished


has fuel importation stopped or has subsidy been removed , if you claim subsidy is scam then , President Buhari who ha sno plans for now to remove subsidy is also scamming Nigerians and benefitting from Subsidy scam through Tinubu's OANDO


Your poo personal opinion , very silly of you to claim that this is factual


poo personal opinion. If the refineries were to work after elections , how would that contribute to the success of his campaigns. He you even hear him mention it during campaigns. Elections are over were are BRING BACK OUR GIRLS CAMPAIGNERS. , awaiting to get juicy appointments abi!!!

is this what you claimed are factual, why did they import the parts needed for the maintenance in the first place, they shouldn't dont you think so!!


Where did your get your assumptions from. are you the project engineer? did you see the timeline to acertain the nature of what was done in 2000, and what is planned to be done


thats what am saying, if they didnt have plans of refurbishing the place , why did they import the parts, the part you are refering to were not need at the time, if they had moved all the parts to the refineries where will they keep them. you know nothing about project management and Health and safety.


bring the evidence showing all the pooo ypu earlier wrote.


you can only brainwash fool from South West who are bigots like you.

On a good day, it's waste of precious time replying someone like you.

@ #5: Shows you have comprehension issues.

@ #8: Actually answers every other part : you don't need 6 years of cluelessness to carry out TAM on refineries . . . it can be done in 6-12 weeks!

@ the rest: shows the only thing that makes you climax is making excuses for failures of your kinsman.

Any other dribbling and perambulating=fraud!

See below (though it's like telling a blind man to 'see'):


Nigeria awarded Italian company Comerint SPA a $7.6 million contract for turnaround maintenance for its 125,000 b/d refinery at Warri, said a spokesman for Nigerian National Petroleum Corp. The work is expected to be complete within 5 months. The contract is part of a drive by NNPC to repair all its refineries, which have been plagued for years by repeated and debilitating failures (OGJ Online, Apr. 30, 2000).
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2000/05/nigeria-awards-warri-refinery-maintenance-contract.html

HollyFrontier Corp., Dallas, has completed a 3-month planned maintenance turnaround at its 135,000-b/d El Dorado, Kan., refinery following extended repairs required on one of the plant’s processing units.
http://www.ogj.com/topics/refinery-maintenance.htm

Google "refinery maintenance jayanti vadoda" this particular one took 4 weeks!

I could post a thousand links/sources to buttress the above fact that, TAM need not take years in a sincere clime; rid of corruption and saboteurs.

I only posted the above for open-minded-literate people, not someone like you that would rather sacrifice your future and your kids's future just to side with your kinsman who gives no fxc.k about you.

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by menxer: 4:02pm On Aug 02, 2015
all4naija:

I am not living in the hellhole. The Nigerian government doesn't rule over me yet but you. Do something to make them fix the rotten infrastructure and bring better development to the nation. Is that too much to ask for?

thanks for your concern, but why take panadol for our headache in Naija?
Oga sir, face your front wherever you are.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Nobody: 5:13pm On Aug 02, 2015
So y'all are arguing about refineries in your own country, paid for by your money!
Who cares if GEJ or PMB have a hand in the current state of the refineries, the fact still remains that Nigeria is rich enough to build and own as many refineries as she wants but those in charge prefer to enrich themselves to the detriment of everyone.

And so because this generation have probably not experienced, seen or heard of good governance in Nigeria, we all argue about our rights and whatnots.
After praising, cursing or insulting PMB and GEJ, please look at yourself and list the things you have ever enjoyed, without hitches in this country since you were born.

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Image123(m): 5:22pm On Aug 02, 2015
philips70:


OP, I just read this on two different news media and also osundefenders tweeted the link. Did you post them there or you got it from there? Thank you for letting Nigerians know how the criminals tricked us in 5yrs and looted us dry. God keep the crown of HRH Salisu Lamido Sanusi.

http://www.osundefender.org/?p=240564

http://www.empowerednewswire.com/2015/08/02/nigerias-oil-crisisjonathans-government-and-the-refineries-lest-we-forget/

They must have gotten it from here, I only posted it here. thanks
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by DMerciful(m): 5:37pm On Aug 02, 2015
Don't be blinded by hate....the refinery has always worked but with low capacity. GEJ revamped it so it can achieve full capacity...
free2ryhme:



Guy, use your tongue count your teeth. These refineries nvr worked for a single minute under the GEJ administration. Are you saying that the GEJ administration were busy revamping for 6 years, only waiting for another man to take the glory? be smart haba!

PMB is a teamplayer and the mark of true leadership. What would you have wanted him to say
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by razid: 6:38pm On Aug 02, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Very insightful thread. Thunder will definitely strike Jonathan where ever he is. SaTANists will not be exempted. Carry go baba bubu. **Following*
You don't need the underlined part. You don't have to abuse him. Hate him or love him, Jonathan has done what he thought was the best for Nigeria. God used to him to give us the present peace we are enjoying in the country. Don't forget that in all his speeches, President Buhari has always been commending his uncommon attitude of accepting the poll results. To me, Jonathan is a gentleman who seems to believe everybody. This is a trait that is not uncommon among human folks. And because of his mien nature, some vultures around him took that advantage of him and misled him. So my brother, don't ever condescend so low as to heap unnecessary vituperation on the person of former President Jonathan. He didn't deserve it. Just like other leaders who have done their bit to move this country forward.

The least you can do is to leave judgement for God.

"...those who restrain (their) anger and pardon men. And Allah loves the doers of good (to others)." Q3:134

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Nobody: 6:50pm On Aug 02, 2015
what a thread




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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by free2ryhme: 8:42pm On Aug 02, 2015
DMerciful:
Don't be blinded by hate....the refinery has always worked but with low capacity. GEJ revamped it so it can achieve full capacity...

Revamped what? And fuel price was N97 before all price fell and it got reduced to N87 to curry votes from nigerians during the election a gimmick that did not work

Don't be fooled by the scam

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Happiness87(f): 9:42pm On Aug 02, 2015
989900:


On a good day, it's waste of precious time replying someone like you.

@ #5: Shows you have comprehension issues.

@ #8: Actually answers every other part : you don't need 6 years of cluelessness to carry out TAM on refineries . . . it can be done in 6-12 weeks!

@ the rest: shows the only thing that makes you climax is making excuses for failures of your kinsman.

Any other dribbling and perambulating=fraud!

See below (though it's like telling a blind man to 'see'):


Nigeria awarded Italian company Comerint SPA a $7.6 million contract for turnaround maintenance for its 125,000 b/d refinery at Warri, said a spokesman for Nigerian National Petroleum Corp. The work is expected to be complete within 5 months. The contract is part of a drive by NNPC to repair all its refineries, which have been plagued for years by repeated and debilitating failures (OGJ Online, Apr. 30, 2000).
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2000/05/nigeria-awards-warri-refinery-maintenance-contract.html

HollyFrontier Corp., Dallas, has completed a 3-month planned maintenance turnaround at its 135,000-b/d El Dorado, Kan., refinery following extended repairs required on one of the plant’s processing units.
http://www.ogj.com/topics/refinery-maintenance.htm

Google "refinery maintenance jayanti vadoda" this particular one took 4 weeks!

I could post a thousand links/sources to buttress the above fact that, TAM need not take years in a sincere clime; rid of corruption and saboteurs.

I only posted the above for open-minded-literate people, not someone like you that would rather sacrifice your future and your kids's future just to side with your kinsman who gives no fxc.k about you.
idiot keep quoting what was done in other countries and compare it with Nigeria, as if you know the composition of the project timeline.



he goat, why didn't yaradua or Obj do the TAM.

idiot, you should have expected that Gej did the TaM when he was a lecturer at uniport.

when did refinery issues came up, was it not after, 2012 subsidy issues.

Gej felt since they were lots of issues surrounding fuel importation the nations refineries should be refurbished to full capacity to cut down dependence on importation, hence reduce the amount spent on subsidies.

TaM project was reflected in 2013 budget which was awarded to the company that constructed it.

the experts suggested complete overhaul and went ahead to give quotations, which were too high.

petroleum minister suggested instead of spending that much the refineries should be sold and new ones built.

That was when proposals for 3more refineries be constructed.

late 2013, Labour opposed the proposed sales which led to the abortion of plans to build new ones.
Gej being concerned with subsidy, asked them to still find solutions.
which led to the project being given to indigenous firm in 2014.
construction project started in October 2014 ended this July.

what do you know about Engineering, Procurement and construction, logistics and Health and safety.

idiot wake up tomorrow morning and Build your house without procurement.


idiot if the materials you want to use is to be imported, how long will it take to do market survey, bid for the material, make purchases, get it loaded on a ship, delivered to your country,

idiot how long will it take to clear the items from ports.
idiots, can't you see you are a dunce as far as Construction is concern.

idiot go and brainwash your kind, foolish bigot.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Happiness87(f): 9:44pm On Aug 02, 2015
clevadani:

I give up
Keep deluding yaself
he goat, learn Engineering, procurement process and construction processes.

else get out of my sight

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by 989900: 10:42pm On Aug 02, 2015
[quote author=Happiness87 post=36542281
idiot [s]keep quoting what was done in other countries and compare it with Nigeria, as if you know the composition of the project timeline.


he goat, why didn't yaradua or Obj do the TAM, project started in October ended this July.

what do you know about Engineering, Procurement and construction, logistics and Health and safety.

idiot wake up tomorrow morning and Build your house without procurement.

idiot if the materials you want to use is to be imported, how long will it take to do market survey, bid for the material, make purchases, get it loaded on a ship, delivered to your country,

idiot how long will it take to clear the items from ports.
idiots, can't you see you are a dunce as far as Construction is concern.

idiot go and brainwash your kind, foolish bigot[/s].



"Idi.0t" is your new word of the day? Bravo!

Your f00lishness reeks to high heavens, so Warri is no longer part of Nigeria -- just so you can defend your GEJ?

Or if it takes 4 weeks in India and 12 weeks in the US, it should take 400 weeks in Nigeria just so we can vindicate your god: GEJ?

Everything you wrote up there just validates you have an empty cranium.

So you need 6 years to plan TAM . . . import , clearing, and yada yada? ROFLMAO. OMG!
Obviously you can't read and understand.

You are a waste of time and effort; your folks should get a refund on your education or lack of . . .


I've told you, the difference between you and I is, I have no affiliation; devoid of sentiments. I worship no human unlike you. I pander to no human, party, tribe, nor religion.

You keep ranting OBJ this, Yar'Adua that, like I give a fx.c.k about them . . . are they not all part of the rot: PDP?

You keep regurgitating 'big.ot', 'bigo.t' shamelessly, while the whole world knows exactly that's what you are -- an unrepentant tribalistic bigot!
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Happiness87(f): 10:54pm On Aug 02, 2015
989900:
v
despite everything i taught you, you are still failing, Gej should have resumed TAM as soon as Yaradua died so that you will be happy.

lets do revision.
TAM project was captured in 2013 budget.

in fact, go and read up the last note. if you fail my exams, then I will know that your foolishness is hereditary, because I taught your bigot father, he failed, i taught your bigot mother she failed, now am teaching you, you are still failing.

i wonder what your children will be like, now that it is obvious, that your foolishness is hereditary.

bigots who feel that they are better than others, filled with irrational ego, whose lives are based upon lies and propaganda based on tribalism, Even satan will salute you because you guys have lied more than him

pls are you liar Mohammed's cousin?
is Obj not celebrated by ApC today??
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by 989900: 11:01pm On Aug 02, 2015
Happiness87:
[s]despite everything i taught you, you are still failing, Gej should have resumed TAM as soon as Yaradua died so that you will be happy.

lets do revision.
TAM project was captured in 2013 budget.

in fact, go and read up the last note. if you fail my exams, then I will know that your foolishness is hereditary, because I taught your bigot father, he failed, i taught your bigot mother she failed, now am teaching you, you are still failing.

i wonder what your children will be like, now that it is obvious, that your foolishness is hereditary.

bigots who feel that they are better than others, filled with irrational ego, whose lives are based upon lies and propaganda based on tribalism, Even satan will salute you because you guys have lied more than him

pls are you liar Mohammed's cousin?
is Obj not celebrated by ApC today?? [/s]

Meh!
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Happiness87(f): 11:07pm On Aug 02, 2015
989900:


Meh!
bigot, filled with Hatred
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by myproperty(m): 11:33pm On Aug 02, 2015
Mynd44:

True but can we say the last administration fixed them?


Now that will be the question. Show evidence that the GEJ government fixed the refineries, show us the contracts awarded to fix the refineries, how much was paid and when the contracts were made.

Remember they said the refineries wont work until first quarter 2016. This is not even last quarter 2015.

Personally, I doubt anything major was wrong with the refineries in the first place with these news. It was just more profitable to some people to import fuel than for the refineries to be functioning
To be informed is not a crime but to be ignorant is foolishness. If the President himself says he can't take credit for the working of the refinery. Who are you to give him the credit? The turn around maintenance was donedone for 9months, it is there in all news media. You can't fault it. Give credit to who has done something. For this one GEJ has done it

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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by laudate: 12:07am On Aug 03, 2015
Mynd44:

True but can we say the last administration fixed them?


Now that will be the question. Show evidence that the GEJ government fixed the refineries, show us the contracts awarded to fix the refineries, how much was paid and when the contracts were made.

Remember they said the refineries wont work until first quarter 2016. This is not even last quarter 2015.

Personally, I doubt anything major was wrong with the refineries in the first place with these news. It was just more profitable to some people to import fuel than for the refineries to be functioning

Before I respond to your question, we need to go back into history. Here is an excerpt from Simon Kolawole's article in ThisDay, during his last interview with Dangote who wants to build a 450,000 barrel refinery in Nigeria.


The Refinery We’ve Been Praying for

by Simon Kolawole: ThisDay Newspapers

In 1965, General Yakubu Gowon built Nigeria’s first refinery called “Port Harcourt I” with a capacity of 60,000bpd.

Ten years later, Gowon awarded the contract for the construction of Warri Refinery with a capacity of 100,000bpd. It was completed and inaugurated by General Olusegun Obasanjo in 1978.

Obasanjo himself started the 100,000bpd Kaduna Refinery, which was inaugurated by President Shehu Shagari in 1980.

“Port Harcourt II”, also started by Obasanjo, was completed by Gen. Ibrahim Babangida in 1989 to process 150,000bpd. Since then, we have stopped building refineries - even though our consumption has been doubling and tripling. http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/the-refinery-we-ve-been-praying-for/159622/

Most of these refineries are old, obsolete units running on outdated technology. They have exceeded their lifespan. Hence the frequent breakdowns. So it is more than a question of just supplying crude to the refineries, to make them function. Therefore, it is incorrect to say "Personally, I doubt anything major was wrong with the refineries in the first place with these news, " when it has not been proven that there was no need for the refineries to be fixed, or no need for them to undergo Turn Around Maintenance (TAM).

Each one needs a major overhaul, in order to run efficiently. Port-harcourt refinery is the only one to start production at this period in time. The others are yet to come on stream. Even the NNPC GMD has said the local engineers started the TAM on all the refineries in Oct 2014 and it would take 18 months for this activity to be completed in most of the refineries, not just one. So counting 18 months from Oct 2014, means the TAM for all the refineries, would certainly end in 2016. Read all about it here: http://www.nigerianeye.com/2015/06/breaking-port-harcourt-refinery-to.html

A phased rehabilitation exercise allowed indigenous contractors to supply the refinery with spare parts and equipment that require replacement. Only PHC I refinery & part of Warri refinery is now on stream, and everyone is shouting that the 2016 date proposed by GEJ was a lie. Are all the other remaining refineries now working at full capacity? Na wah, oh!
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Unconditionalov: 1:43am On Aug 03, 2015
President Buhari said he will not take any credit on the refinery, so who did the job?
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by tosmartak(m): 7:16am On Aug 03, 2015
ocelot2006:


*smh* the way you APC CLOWNS try to twist the truth is truly baffling. Metuh was right: you're all a bunch of liars. Tufiakwa!!

APC clowns Uhn? I'm sure if you'd manage to read your comment over and over again, it would have been so easy for you to detect who the clowns are. You guys have never for once constructively defend yourselves.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by laudate: 11:04am On Aug 03, 2015
Chai! It is sad when people start comparing oranges with apples. All cars are not the same, and even when a car breaks down, the length of time taken to complete the repairs depends on the type of faults or damage done to the car and the ability to source spare parts quickly and effectively. The same applies to refineries.

According to a report, the TAM for Kaduna Refinery was done in 3 months. What was the scope of repairs and maintenance carried out? It was done following repairs on just ONE of one of the plant’s processing units, not ALL.

Can the scope of repairs carried out during the TAM done at Kaduna, be compared to the scope of works done during the TAM conducted at the larger Warri (WRPC)?? Or the TAM works done at PHRC?

All the refineries were built by different companies and all their components/equipment are different from one another. Some of the parts used in building these refineries are no longer available anymore! A number of them are fabricated to order! So how anyone can compare the TAM done on a foreign refinery whose parts, fluid catalytic units, etc are totally different from a refinery constructed in Nigeria in 1978, baffles me! sad

Has anyone compared the scope of works done during the TAM on both refineries? Or provided details regarding the specific nature of the scheduled TAM maintenance works in each of the refineries

The 150,000 bpd Port Harcourt refinery was built in 1989. TAM operations were carried out in 1991, 1994, 2000.

The Kalu Idika Kalu Committee had last May during a visit to the Port Harcourt refinery found the Federal Government four boilers non-operational. Two out of the four power plants were down.

Besides, there was evidence of poor maintenance with serious corrosion of major key units just as morale of the workers was low and management was dysfunctional with little or no financial authority.

The last major TAM was in 2000. It will have to be modernised and upgraded.

Ditto for the 110,000 bpd Kaduna refinery, which had its last TAM in 2008. The one before that was in 1998 after a major fire. Production is at 25% of installed capacity. The 125000 bpd Warri refinery is also operating at 25% installed capacity. TAM operations were carried out in 1994, 2000 and 2008.

ABC of TAM

Refinery turnaround maintenance (TAM) is a planned partial or full shutdown of one or more units of a refinery in order to perform inspection, repair, and maintenance of equipment to ensure safe and efficient operations. Material and obsolete equipment are replaced. A refinery TAM takes place every three-five years and requires about one-two years of advance planning. The actual TAM operations take about 6-12 weeks.

A well implemented TAM programme reduces unplanned disruption of production activities in a refinery and helps maintain operations at more than 80% capacity utilisation. http://thenationonlineng.net/the-1-6bn-refinery-turnaround-mess/

Till now, no one has provided adequate information on what constitutes the exact scope of works done under a TAM that spans 6-12 weeks. Yet, someone keeps flagging this timeline, as if it is sacrosanct. If corrosion is involved, then that TAM can certainly not be completed in 6-12 weeks.

Here is an excerpt on an interview with the MD of PHRC, which throws further light on this subject of TAM.

Refinery Business In Nigeria Is Profitable

Interview with Dr. Bafred Enjugu is the Managing Director of Port Harcourt Refinery Company Limited, a refining unit of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) in February 23, 2015

"...there had been procurement of items preparatory, as a pre-requisite for prosecution of turn-around maintenance. That has been on and the PHRC has attained 12.5 percent on that route. I will provide details later.

But clearly, the NNPC management and government were of the best intentions for this country when they said, “look, lets engage the original builders of the refineries for the turn-around maintenance” because they are coming with two things. They are coming with skill, and they are coming with reputation. But they all declined.

They all decline and instead elected to let it out to their technical partners. In their places, we had Italian companies which have good reputation, no doubt about that. But the guys we had, Technimont who were elected by our original partner the JGC of Japan, deliberately priced themselves out of the business. They didn’t just do that in terms of cost, they refused to grant any guarantee in terms of performance. They objected to commit to any undertaking in delivery of the project. So, where does that leave you? We say popularly OYO. It leaves you on your own....

.... Ques: From what we are told, the proposed TAM contract which has failed is supposed to come with technology upgrade given that the refinery is old and technology has improved. Now that you have embarked on self help, how would you drive upgrade?

Ans: As I said earlier, technology drives efficiency and efficiency drives commerciality of refinery operations. Both technology and efficiency have become very compelling in every refinery operations because profit margin is very thin. So that takes us to the heart of it.

There are upgrades in several ways. Let us park the human ones which remind us that we have not kept pace. But there are upgrades by default. If you want a particular equipment, the way it was old to you in 1987 is not the way it is going to be sold to you now 2015. If you want exactly the piece of equipment you bought in 1987 you cannot find it anymore. They show you the new model.......

.... It is always easier to be in touch with your market. Midyear 2104 in Kaduna, we needed equilibrium catalyst to start up our FCC. Our traditional suppliers of the e-catalysts are a company in Houston. The process helps us trap light products before they escape, so we have companies that survive with providing solutions to the process.

Our traditional suppliers in Houston said they could do it for us earliest in 42 days. Our facility was ready and we didn’t know where to run to. From 2005 to 2007 Chinese CNPC expressed an interest to buy over Kaduna Refinery. Actually they didn’t because it was sold to another company for a brief period during the transition.

So what we didn’t know was that CNPC has a small 20, 000 barrels per day refinery in Niger, That small refinery is just six hours by road from Kaduna. So we went to them and got e-catalyst to start out plant in record time. So, to connect it to what we were discussing, information sharing is very important in the business. You need to go out and look around you. And in doing that we realized that they have a bigger refinery in Chad which could supply us.

But before then, our consultants had always taken us to Houston to establish that and that. So, it is good to look around and similarly it is good to find markets for your products. So we have to be more aggressive in the market and in our business in order to survive. That i admit I have not seen for a while. Similarly, we need to let the world know a bit more of our business. I think there is a lot of misconception based on lack of information."
http://theunion.com.ng/energy/refinery-business-in-nigeria-is-profitable/
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by omoalaro: 11:14am On Aug 03, 2015
The best thing we have done to ourselves as Nigerians was to kick out the scam of a regime and liberate our country.
I have never read a more beautiful piece of write-up on NL as these. Well done OPS.
Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by laudate: 11:17am On Aug 03, 2015
Happiness87:
despite everything i taught you, you are still failing, Gej should have resumed TAM as soon as Yaradua died so that you will be happy.

lets do revision.
TAM project was captured in 2013 budget.

in fact, go and read up the last note. if you fail my exams, then I will know that your foolishness is hereditary, because I taught your bigot father, he failed, i taught your bigot mother she failed, now am teaching you, you are still failing.

i wonder what your children will be like, now that it is obvious, that your foolishness is hereditary.

bigots who feel that they are better than others, filled with irrational ego, whose lives are based upon lies and propaganda based on tribalism, Even satan will salute you because you guys have lied more than him

pls are you liar Mohammed's cousin?
is Obj not celebrated by ApC today??

Sista, abeg stop arguing with clueless folks that are determined to turn a blind eye to the truth! Everyone keeps shouting that the last administration wanted to sell off the refineries, without tracing the history of the maintenance work done on each of the refineries or total amount spent, and forgetting that sale of the refineries was actually started under OBJ's regime, not GEJ. undecided

As a human being, after pumping huge money into fixing a piece of machinery or equipment, would you not consider selling it off, if it keeps breaking down at will, and the cost of repairs is beginning to exceed the value you are getting from such an equipment, especially if that equipment has stopped delivering the value it was expected to offer, in the first place? sad

Please read this excerpt and the full story here: http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/let-s-reason-together-on-refineries/111148/

Let’s Reason Together on Refineries: Published ThisDay Newspapers 11 Mar 2012:

The third mistake—and that happens to be the focus of my thoughts today—is the refineries. Obasanjo had sold the Kaduna and Port Harcourt refineries to BlueStar oil consortium owned by Aliko Dangote and Femi Otedola for $721 million. The labour unions kicked against it and threatened to go on strike—obviously on the prompting of some insiders who were benefiting from the hopeless turn around maintenance (TAM) contracts. The Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) went to Yar’Adua and whispered into his ears that if he gave them a few billions of naira, the refineries would start working at optimal capacity by January 2008. Quickly, Yar’Adua handed the loot to NNPC. Five years later, with more billions pumped into those refineries, we are still waiting for them to produce at “optimal capacity”
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Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by Nobody: 11:32am On Aug 03, 2015
Trustworthiness:



Yes, President Buhari cannot take credit for the refineries that are working now because there is nothing wrong with our refineries. Bad governance from GEJ administration prevented the refineries from producing by denying the refineries crude oil to refine.

As at January this year 2015, a friend of my working in Warri refinery told me that the crude that should be a located to the refinery till June 2015 had been sold out. So, there is nothing for them to refine till after the month of June 2015.

*yawns*

Re: Jonathan's Government And The Refineries, Lest We Forget. by laudate: 1:10pm On Aug 03, 2015
neocortex:
@Image123

strong analysis is obviously alien to you. A thousand pages of "facts" is useless without proper interpretation.

The only thing your post attempted to "prove" is that nothing was ever wrong with the refineries and all the presidents we had starting from OBJ were simply lying and it was just the "body language" of Buhari that makes the refineries started working without lifting a finger or spending a dime.

We can also say that nothing was ever wrong with power, roads and education , the past leaders were simply lying and Nigerians are blind to reality and in due time these sectors will also start working because of Buhari's body language with no money spent.

Nigeria must be the first perfect country in the universe where everything works perfectly automatically as a result of someone's "body language".

Other countries need to borrow Buhari from Nigeria so that their country will become perfect automatically.

It is instructive that all your "research" were filled with "planned to" nothing like "contract signed", "work begins" , that says a lot about your selective 'fact finding".

You surely don't need the cheap internet to determine the difference between black and white , do you ?

Bros, please ignore those people who are allergic to the truth. undecided Some of those claiming that GEJ voted funds for the 2014 TAM exercise, obviously and conveniently forgot to inform the public, that eventually the money was NOT SPENT or released for the exercise, because the original manufacturers of the refinery refused to carry out the job, after extensive negotiations had been concluded! shocked shocked

Read all about it here: http://leadership.ng/business/377718/security-tracker-keeps-away-original-builder-ph-refinery;
And kindly review this article for more details: http://www.nigerianeye.com/2015/01/n152bn-was-not-spent-on-turn-around.html

Security Tracker Keeps Away Original Builder Of PH Refinery by Weneso Orogun — Jul 14, 2014 3:45 am |

Fresh facts have emerged on how the Japanese firm that built the Port Harcourt refinery and Petrochemical Company relied on evidence aggregated by a security tracking device to reject a few weeks ago, the invitation by the federal government to conduct a comprehensive turnaround maintenance (TAM) last undertaken in 1992.

The device called Nigerian Security Tracker (NST) is said to be “a project of the United States Council on Foreign Relations and maps violence in Nigeria that is motivated by political, economic, or social grievances.

“The militant Islamist movement Boko Haram is active in northern Nigeria. Violence among ethnic groups, farmers, and herdsmen sometimes acquires religious overtones. A new generation of Niger Delta militants threatens war against the state. Government soldiers kill civilians indiscriminately. Police are notorious for extrajudicial murder.”

Speaking at the weekend in Uyo, the Akwa Ibom State capital, at a workshop for journalists organised by the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC), managing director of the Port Harcourt Refining Company (PHRC), Dr Bafred Audu Enjugu, explained the Japanese firm refused to come over to the Niger Delta for fear of security concerns.

“The commercial negotiation with the original builder of the PHRC was very long and the conclusions remain unacceptable to the NNPC,” Enjugu stated, adding that the labour costs with foreign patronage were prohibitive and outran all budget provisions by the NNPC.

Enjugu, however, told his audience that NNPC had resolved to give Nigerian engineers a chance to exercise their skills by embarking on selective maintenance of portions of the refinery at a time working with local expertise without shutting down the entire refinery as was the practice during TAM in the past. He assured that the PHRC was currently operating at a about 50 per cent of name-plate capacity. http://leadership.ng/business/377718/security-tracker-keeps-away-original-builder-ph-refinery

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