MizMyColi:
I guess this has more to do with years of conditioning

MizMyColi:
The belief that we are meant to be happy go lucky always and never sad

MizMyColi:
That aside, being a peacemaker by default, it just naturally upsets me when I get angry.
I think of it as something unhealthy, like a virus that should be expelled by any and all means necessary.

I guess I've come to a time in my journey where I must embrace the so called "ugly side"
Make peace with it. Accept it as part and parcel of just being

MizMyColi:
Sometimes, on this journey, progress could mean 3 steps backward

MizMyColi:
Loolz, @enjoying anger
grin grin grin grin grin

I'll try that

Mindfulness:
What does progress mean in this context?

Mindfulness:
What do you want to achieve?

MizMyColi:
I was passively taught to think of it as something to be eschewed.
Like it's a sin

MuttleyLaff:
Keenly waiting to read it
and so here is Isaiah 40:29 for you

He gives strength to those who are tired;
to the ones who lack power, he gives renewed energy
- Isaiah 40:29

MuttleyLaff:


Progress, ought to mean moving forward
a position emanated from constantly questioning, especially questioning to a void
and continuously learning from answered questions

Debunking myths. Dispelling falsism (i.e. dismiss supposed truths)

Mindfulness:
And don't you just love these states of clarity in which you receive perfect answers?

Mindfulness:
How do you define truth?

MuttleyLaff:


Theologically and simplistically put, God's word is truth.

Mindfulness:
Words are often polysemous

Mindfulness:
is the truth also open to interpretation?

MuttleyLaff:
God's word(s) isnt polysemous
I think you wrote that ontologically speaking

Of course, it is. Why not

Explain this word of God (i.e. truth) in Genesis 2:17, you may use Proverbs 19:23 for leverage

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
- Genesis 2:17

The fear of the LORD leads to life; whoever is satisfied with it will rest, untouched by evil
- Proverbs 19:23

Mindfulness:
I was more like referring to semantics

Mindfulness:
I am glad you said 'of course' because this open-ness is where the fun is

Mindfulness:
What does the tree of knowledge stand for?

Mindfulness:
These are the Bible passages that make me feel like too many people spoiled the essence of it all

1feness:
This a cool thread

1feness:
I think some Christians are confusing the their religious idol (yahweh) with the conscious energy which is in everyone of us

1feness:
We are all made of source energy, which some people call God

1feness:
The God (source energy) that never judges or interferes in human affairs

1feness:
It gives no laws, rule and regulations or wants anything from anyone. I am talking about the Eternal energy field that is our essence

1feness:
This energy is us split in billions of ways, experiencing itself in different form. The best way to enjoy this energy field is to live in the NOW as the OP has rightly said

1feness:
This a cool thread. I think some Christians are confusing the their religious idol(yahweh) with the conscious energy which is in everyone of us. We are all made of source energy,which some people call God. The God(source energy) that never judges or interferes in human affairs. It gives no laws,rule and regulations or wants anything from anyone. I am talking about the Eternal energy field that is our essence.

This energy is us split in billions of ways,experiencing itself in different form. The best way to enjoy this energy field is to live in the NOW as the OP has rightly said.

MizMyColi:


I quite agree with you in a way.
On the other hand though, I wonder how a person can truly believe that they're made from a source energy which abandons him or her.

I mean, It's like a Father, Son relationship - even when the father has raised the son to a place where he can stand on his own and create life for himself, as long as he (the) father lives, there's no way he'd just hands off the affairs of his son.

There will be challenging times, there will be those times when he needs a father, not necessarily to tell him how to run his life, but to just be there....more like a pillar, of support and of comfort.

Now that's akin to reaching out to this source energy within us when we're at our lowest ebb.
And then we feel raised up or have some Eureka moment.

That's a form of interference, in my opinion.

While this being (God) has given us all we'd ever need to make a successful life, I think He (it) never really leaves us.
We are one with it. For eternity, for all ages to come. It is a consciousness within us. A powerful force field/dimension.

Coming into a full realization of this is when we begin to live as the God beings we truly are.

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah its a kewl one

God is not an idol, please do not twist the truth.
God is relationship-centric.
In the beginning God has always been about fellowship, relationship and communion

God has come full circle to relationship.
Now, the only religion God approves now, is found in James 1:27

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father
means caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you
- James 1:27

You actually mean, we are made of dust and become animated via God's breath of life

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul
- Genesis 2:7

"The spirit of God fashioned me; and the breath of the Almighty gives me life
- Job 33:4

as long as my breath is still in me and the breath from God remains in my nostrils
- Job 27:3

God never interferring with the human will, doesnt mean man will not give account of all his/her affairs, escapades or whatnots

So man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment
(i.e. to state his/her case and justify all thoughts, actions, deeds etcetera carried out or why not carried out)

It is appalling naivety to come to the conclusion God gives no laws, rule and regulations or wants anything from anyone.
Try jumping off a plane in mid air without a parachute, and report back of the absence of any law

The best way to enjoy life, is to live it to the best of one's ability, live it to the fullest and live in the Now for a good eternal

As the Holy Spirit says, "If you hear God speak today, don't be stubborn
- Hebrews 3:7

For he says, "At the right time I heard you, and on a day of salvation I helped you."
Listen, now is really the "right time"!
Now is the "day of salvation"!
- 2 Corinthians 6:2

MuttleyLaff:
Semantics or no semantics, God's word is truth

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter
and the glory of kings to investigate a matter
- Proverbs 25:2

Before answering this, lets get the record straight.
Are you agreeing, that God's word about guaranteed death from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is true?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a trope (i.e. a figure of speech) or metonymy, if you prefer the latter.
The higher the altitude you're standing on, the better the viewpoint with more to see what it stood for
e.g. personification, intimacy, experience, Pandora's box

Please expatiate
Who are the ''too many cooks spoiled the broth''
and what's their impact on the bible passages aforementioned?

MizMyColi:
Good Morning MuttleyLaff

I however find that there's no way one'd express anger without inherently causing another hurt/pain...whether they realize or not.

Say for example, muttering "Idiot or Dunce" under your breath to someone who skids right infront of your car.

Shouldn't we be blessing others instead of cussing them?

1feness:


I never said source energy abandons. I meant everything is source energy,not external. Therefore every thing is one experiencing itself as many.

MizMyColi:


Hiiii
Good Morning.

Hello Mindfulness
Good Morning From Nigeria.

Phew! Phew!

How do you get yourself to completely dissociate from anger at certain people?

Okay, this morning, I was angry. The pain body took over. I couldn't get self to dissociate from it.
I tried (STOP TRYING...)
I was uncomfortable with being surrounded with such negative energy early in the morning.(EMBRACE EVERY MOMENT AS IF U WANT IT)

So while in the bus on my way to work.
I made peace. (BE PEACE INSTEAD OF MAKING PEACE//LET THE ENERGY FLOW)
I made peace with my emotions.
I stopped fighting it. (GREAT GREAT)
I admitted that I was angry. I told myself that I know I shouldn't be, but I am. I accepted it, without holding a grudge at myself for doing so.

In that moment, I felt peace.
I could feel an excitement, coursing through my body. I felt it most on my legs.
I felt like reaching out to a partial cause of the anger and saying "Hey, I wish you well, have a nice day"...

I enjoy being self-possesed and relishing in quiet strength.

As I write now, I feel put back together, Lolz.

So...
I mentioned you two so you could just talk with me...
Maybe give tips on how not to ever identify with such emotions anymore...
Maybe tap from your energies too

beejaay:


am sorry i reply late as am just seeing this now.....

one cant stop the emotion from coming every once in a while, stopping it is to stop being human however one can reach a stage where you stopped getting trapped with the negativity because one have become one with it...that stage is always NOW...embracing the NOW is a gradual process of conscious preparation and exercise same as u are doing now...to live in the NOW we have to deal with blocks of negativity we have had to hide subconsciously overtime

to win over the darkside, one need to be the darkside...we must first embrace the darkness in us before we can appreciate the light....behind every light source is a darkness, darkness born from darkness.....

the only thing that have helped in this journey of self enlightenment is my acceptance stand....i have been able to wired my brain to accept any outcomes very fast thereby looking for solution if there are any...maybe you should practice acceptance too....acceptance make me forgive easily and move on very fast even when it comes to the issues of relationships and personal failures...


if you av any thought kindly share it and maybe we could talk about it

Waow!
Waow.

Thank you for this, all you have said is expository.

Lately, I've been dealing with strange anger.
The kind of anger where one reacts in a certain manner and in a flash you're like "why? Why did I just react this way?"

Even on here, it shows, I guess.
I tend not to take prisoners lately.

Still I find that my deep core isn't upset.
To me, it's like a phase that must happen, and the more I keep fighting it, the more I keep shifting the goal post. It feels like there are lessons I need to learn to help me on my journey.

I have become more self-aware.

I was taught not to let it show, not to let it go. Until lately, I used to think of anger as something bad. Until lately, I never quite understood how much the disease of perfectionism had eaten into me.

I get to realise now that it's okay and human to be flawed, especially character wise.
I've been so focused on making myself better for humanity that I forgot to enjoy the process...it became about the end result. Before now, I couldn't tolerate a dent in my spellings, but these days, I make spelling errors and purposely leave them be.

God, I really don't know where to start from, but even in the seeming mire, there's so much to be thankful for really.

So speaking about anger, I was in a bus on my way to work one morning when the vehicle swerved, I guess I must have leaned terribly on the lady beside me before the bus gained balance, she complained.

Shebi the normal thing to have said was "sorry"...that's how I started arguing with her o. I thought she was been unaccomodating, I asked her if it was my fault the bus swerved.....
After the episode, I realized that a simple "sorry" would have prevented all that.‎
I learned courtesy (Public Courtesy and Courtesy to strangers) that morning.

I've not been the same in that regard.‎
I behave in certain ways and there's this look on people's face like. ‎

Your speech about the darkness and darkside resonated. Alot.
Thank You.‎

MizMyColi:



Waow!
Waow.

Thank you for this, all you have said is expository.

Lately, I've been dealing with strange anger.
The kind of anger where one reacts in a certain manner and in a flash you're like "why? Why did I just react this way?"

Even on here, it shows, I guess.
I tend not to take prisoners lately.

Still I find that my deep core isn't upset.
To me, it's like a phase that must happen, and the more I keep fighting it, the more I keep shifting the goal post. It feels like there are lessons I need to learn to help me on my journey.

I have become more self-aware.

I was taught not to let it show, not to let it go. Until lately, I used to think of anger as something bad. Until lately, I never quite understood how much the disease of perfectionism had eaten into me.

I get to realise now that it's okay and human to be flawed, especially character wise.
I've been so focused on making myself better for humanity that I forgot to enjoy the process...it became about the end result. Before now, I couldn't tolerate a dent in my spellings, but these days, I make spelling errors and purposely leave them be.

God, I really don't know where to start from, but even in the seeming mire, there's so much to be thankful for really.

So speaking about anger, I was in a bus on my way to work one morning when the vehicle swerved, I guess I must have leaned terribly on the lady beside me before the bus gained balance, she complained.

Shebi the normal thing to have said was "sorry"...that's how I started arguing with her o. I thought she was been unaccomodating, I asked her if it was my fault the bus swerved.....
After the episode, I realized that a simple "sorry" would have prevented all that.‎
I learned courtesy (Public Courtesy and Courtesy to strangers) that morning.

I've not been the same in that regard.‎
I behave in certain ways and there's this look on people's face like. ‎

Your speech about the darkness and darkside resonated. Alot.
Thank You.‎

Mindfulness:


I love what you have shared with us here. Thank you.

It does seem like you have figured out the next step.

Sweetie, don't try to be perfect, you were created in God's image, you are perfect.
To be yourself and to enjoy it is much more interesting than to try to be someone or something else.

I always feel bored around people who try to fit in or try to live up to some standards everyone agrees on. I prefer authentic people who dare to be different by being themselves. I love it when people express themselves. Anything else is dull.

Hehehehe


Unwittingly dedicating my NL days to politics has changed my life for good, and better.

Thanks for acknowledging my story.


Actually I stopped sharing personal stuff like this about me on here because I noticed some unscrupulous folks literally sleep on my posts and look for just about anything to throw disses at me in a bid to gag me or frustrate me out of the section. It's a really crazy world there.

But lately, on this thread, I have let the world see my vulnerability and actually shared personal stuff.
For me, it's a plus.

It's a pointer that I'm moving on from that place where fear of whatever keeps me from sharing my joys and pains in manners I feel more comfortable and at home with.

Phew!
Well, I'll just keep on with this life journey...
I believe that in the end, end...it'll all be worth it.‎

MizMyColi:


Hehehehe


Unwittingly dedicating my NL days to politics has changed my life for good, and better.

Thanks for acknowledging my story.


Actually I stopped sharing personal stuff like this about me on here because I noticed some unscrupulous folks literally sleep on my posts and look for just about anything to throw disses at me in a bid to gag me or frustrate me out of the section. It's a really crazy world there.

But lately, on this thread, I have let the world see my vulnerability and actually shared personal stuff.
For me, it's a plus.

It's a pointer that I'm moving on from that place where fear of whatever keeps me from sharing my joys and pains in manners I feel more comfortable and at home with.

Phew!
Well, I'll just keep on with this life journey...
I believe that in the end, end...it'll all be worth it.‎

Mindfulness:


@bold
It sounds like you need some compensation after death for having lived this life and this sounds pretty much like you are not enjoying yourself.

Naaaa

I meant that in the context of going through some turmoil, a hard period, a trying one, and then coming out on the other side with this feeling that it was all worth it.
There's no denying that sometimes, we go through painful or uncomfortable moments without realizing the purpose/necessity of such.

On the other hand, I believe that our experiences transcend this realm. It's not about heaven or hell.
Life, to me is a continuum. I believe‎ there's an other side, and our experiences here shape what becomes of us in the next realm/life untill we come full circle.

My motivation has nothing to do with rewards

MizMyColi:


Naaaa

I meant that in the context of going through some turmoil, a hard period, a trying one, and then coming out on the other side with this feeling that it was all worth it.
There's no denying that sometimes, we go through painful or uncomfortable moments without realizing the purpose/necessity of such.

On the other hand, I believe that our experiences transcend this realm. It's not about heaven or hell.
Life, to me is a continuum. I believe‎ there's an other side, and our experiences here shape what becomes of us in the next realm/life untill we come full circle.

My motivation and nothing to do with rewards;

krusdamax:
@MizMyColi Before embracing Eckhart Tolle's teachings, consider this :


http://www.gotquestions.org/new-earth-Eckhart-Tolle-Oprah.html

MuttleyLaff:

Issorite. Eckhart Tolle, yeah? Eckhart Tolle, another Oprah's favourites, like TD Jakes?

The fact & truth is, Eckhart Tolle is like toying with a loaded arm pointed to the head
In a safe hand, no problem, if the safe hand has sense enough not to pull the trigger whilst arm is pointed to head.

Eckhart Tolle is slick as they come, as he uses all the right words,
and whatever right words he doesnt want to use, he gives the excuse that the word has become ''empty of meaning'' or has been misused.

MizMyColi, to the trained eye, Eckhart Tolle would be an Eve Déjà vu
- sorry for the ''trained eye''-''Eve Déjà'' vu'' pun there,
- couldnt resist not seizing the chance to use it

Nothing personal but at the end of the day, Eckhart Tolle is no better than or different to the average Pastorpreneurs

The pseudo truth in ''The Power of Now?'' is like a few pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless faux pearls.
It has lots of New Age etcetera stuff in it that if you'll be eating it you'll have to be prepared for spitting out the throat prickly bones in it.

By the way, I found the unconsciousness issue raised by mnwankwo very interesting, he even de-toured a bit into bacteria, LOL
(i.e. he said:
... to "define" what consciousnesses is and ascertain if there are gradations of consciousnesses or if consciousnesses is one and the same)
though you ducked definining your ''different level of consciousness'' response was equally interesting

mnwankwo further went on to state:
''Are all consciousnesses eternal or are there gradations of it that began at point? These questions are important if an inference''

Let me ask both of you what your takes are on consciousnesses in the realm of the dead and land of the living
1) What is consciousnesses in the realm of the dead and in land of the living?
2) Is consciousnesses in the realm of the dead and land of the living criss crossed?
3) Are the dead consciousnesses of happenings in the land of the living and vice versa?
4) Are those in the realm of the dead consciousnesses of happenings in there just as those in the land of the living are consciousnesses of happenings in there surroundings?
5) What is the correlation between unconsciousnesses and ''sleeping'' for the dead or those in the realm of the dead?

Sorry didnt go into the bacteria unconsciousnesses

Mind you, I've read Eckhart Tolle's ''The Power of Now?'' so am able and willing to address any questions on any of the claims in the book

https://www.nairaland.com/2500091/power-now-eckhart-tolle-book/2#37488335

MizMyColi:
@Muttleylaff
Is anything wrong with New Age religion?

MizMyColi:
There seems to be an apathy for new age in Christian circles

MuttleyLaff:
Put it this way, it's like handing a loaded firearm to a non Health and Safety conscious person that's wrong

Another thing is, just as you've showed in some of your posts, this whole thing is about relationships and not religion
New Age religion or movement however doesnt share your sentiments of this
God, to adherent of this movement, among of things, is impersonal.

What do you know of Eckhart Tolle? Care to share (i.e. the good, the bad and the ugly)

Lastly, you should be familiar of this ''grain and straw'' or '''chicken/fish and bone'' message to Eve:
''You surely will not die!''
Is this meesage, an absolute truth or a pseudo truth statement?

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
- Matthew 10:16

Aint that an interesting coincidence of the actor in Genesis 3:4 and Matthew 10:16

Depends on which side of Christian circles you're refering to
Some are ignorant or oblivious of it
Some are subtly practising it
Some are appalled at it

Mindfulness:
@bold

This is rubbish. I am sorry

MuttleyLaff:
No need to be apologetic over an opinion
The rubbish bit is even worse when it's like innocently, playing Russian Roulette with it,
and worst without knowing which chamber has the fatal bullet in it