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| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jozzy4: 9:43pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
prettysassygirl: If you truly admit God knows , do you agree with his statement in Genesis 3:19 ? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by prettysassygirl(f): 10:01pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jozzy4:tell me what it says |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 10:05pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jozzy4:  Whats wrong with agreeing with the latter part statement in Genesis 3:19? Do you agree with the above pictures AND the decomposition stages to dust? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jozzy4: 10:12pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
prettysassygirl: GOD speaks " in the sweat of your face you will eat bread until YOU RETURN TO THE GROUND , for out of it you are taken , for dust you are and TO DUST YOU SHALL RETURN " Gen 3:19 To where did he say Adam will return when he died ? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by prettysassygirl(f): 10:32pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jozzy4:are you a witness |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 10:36pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jozzy4:SMH, dont know what to do about you my dear friend, as you really want the gloves to come off OK, here it is, food for thought but be careful and dont choke on it. Man is made of body, soul and spirit - the Body returning back to the ground aka earth, is what Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 3:20 and the former part of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is all about - the Soul sleeping in the grave aka Sheol is what Psalms 89:48 and Daniel 12:2 are all about - and spirit returning back to God is what the latter part of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is all about |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by dolphinheart(m): 11:10pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Was paul inspired by God to use poets? Is all the scriptures inspired by God? Are those verses by the writer of Ecclestiatis you mentioned not Inspired? 1 Like |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 11:22pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
dolphinheart: The whole bible was inspired to be written, collated and canonized by God. That doesn't mean all statement made from individuals in the bible were directly inspired by God. When Satan quoted scriptures to Jesus, who inspired him? Its not a trick question. Even though some statements made by individuals were not directly inspired by God, God inspired the writers to put it down. Why? Because there was something to gain from it. By now you're supposed to understand my point. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by dolphinheart(m): 11:32pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Sir, me and you will stick to the scriptures as the primary source of info. There are lots of books that one can find views on certain things on . But they are not inspired , or are they? You quoted rev 20:11, that verse did not say "the spirit(s) stand" before the throne. It said "the dead". Abi does the spirit die? So as to consider the spirit as dead. Remember, the key word (spirit)I asked for when providing proof to ur statements . The word "return" in genesis and the first part of eccl 12:7 is literal, why wunt the second "return be literal too? Modified : pls also answer the question. Where does the scripture say the spirit goes to when man dies?. 1 Like |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 11:45pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Yes sir, spirits die. How? Separation from God. Those who don't have the life of God in them. E.g In Genesis, God said to Adam, the day you eat of this fruit, you shall die. That's why the white throne judgement is meant for only sinners not saints(I saw the dead, both small and great...) The saints judgement is called the judgement seat of Christ where reward is giving based on good or bad done in the body.2 Cor5:10. As for the spirit returning to God, Why should you not take what he said literally? "For who can prove that the human spirit goes up and the spirit of animals goes down into the earth? Ecc 3:21" The same person you want to take literally said that. He was even questioning where the spirits go. You see why I said "he talked as a natural man trying to reason out things logically" . so don't take what he said literally. I just gave you scripture. Or do animals have spirits and go down to earth and not upwards? Because upwards is where God is isn't it?. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by dolphinheart(m): 11:54pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: The whole scripture was inspired by God. Even though the writers might write their own opinnion or emotions , God inspired them to write those words down . This means that those words are true, and the writer wrote the truth. The writer of ecclestiatis cannot or would not have been able to write the words of ecclestiatis down if these words where not inspired, no matter his personal views, emotions or thoughts. For those words to be written down, it must be truth and must also be the word of God. Satan quoted the inspired word of God, he did not write it or was inspired . Satan quoting any scriture does not make a scripture inspired . |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 12:08am On Aug 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart: So lets look at it from your point: If you say so, the why did God say this: Job 42:7 "It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has. 8"Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will accept him so that I may not do with you according to your folly, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has."…" Since you said every statement was inspired, why was God angry with Jobs Friends for saying what they said? I mean, these guys had whole chapters of what they said. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by dolphinheart(m): 12:28am On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Sir, spirit die? But I thought you guys say its the body that dies.? now the spirit is added to the things that die? This makes the statement in ecclestiatis true then, that "the dead are conscious of nothing! Right? And again you forgot to put proof with the key word "spirit". You said "sepiration from God, those who dnt have the life of God in them " without explaining how these affects the spirit in you and me. Well this Brings about these questions : when did your spirit enter ur body? Did that spirit come from God and then became allienated from God? You have not stated with proof where the scripture says spirit goes when man dies. The wise man who wrote ecclestiatis used a method that another wise man who lived hundred of years later used. The second wise man jesus, also asked questions several times. Are we now saying that jesus does not know the answer to the questions he asked ? Or he was a natural man trying to reason out things logically too? I believe the writer provided the answers to the question he asked: there is no difference between the spirit in animals and man, man and animals have the same spirit in them . These are from the inspired word of God and wateva these writers put down has Gods approval. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 12:42am On Aug 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Lol. Guy, ur understanding of scripture is  When I said spirits die, was there any mention of loss of consciousness? Spiritual Death means separation from the life of God. (Very simple) I have given you scriptures to show consciousness of people in hell or paradise. BTW. Since you are using the internet. Why don't you google a study on the book of Ecclesiastics. Don't compare Jesus with Solomon. And besides, No one has fully agreed that the writer of Eccl was Solomon. And you skipped my argument on Job and his friends. Why don't you answer that?. Why will God be angry of something He inspired someone to say that covered chapters of the bible?. Why didn't He approve what they said but was ready to punish them until Job intervened? So my broda, not all statements made in the Bible from an individual are directly inspired by God. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by dolphinheart(m): 12:48am On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Sir, it is written by a writer that job "said" or jobs friends "said". Neither Job nor his friends wrote those verses. The writer was telling the truth about job and his friends, he was the one that was inspired to do so. And the writer wrote enough so that we can know what to do and say about God. Can you see that the writer also wrote about the corrections they received? So jobs friend where not inspired to say those things, but the writer was inspired to write those things down . This is similar to what the writer of genesis wrote when he recorded the false words of Satan down in Eden. Can we say the writer was natural and not inspired cus satans words where wrong ? 1 Like |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by dolphinheart(m): 1:04am On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Sir, "spirtual dead " is totally different from 'spirit dying". Show me scripture that says spirit die. So if spirit die and body dies, which one remains conscious after death.? Note, you did not answer the question concerning the spirit in you. I'm not comparing jesus with solomon, the question is , did jesus use the same method of asking questions as used by the writer of ecclestiatis? I've answered ur question on job 1 Like |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 1:30am On Aug 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart: You've not answered it sir. And who do you know the writer of Job is? Scholars say it could be one of his friends. And was it Solomon himself that took a pen and wrote down Eccl or was it someone else that wrote what he might have said? You see there is no basis to what you've been saying. Your just assuming tins. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 1:35am On Aug 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart: And I've long answered this question u asked. But you've refused to get it. My spirit (the real me) came directly from God and existed in eternity before even creation of the world in the mind of God. I was only just given a form in the flesh when I was In my Mothers womb. As God said"before you were born I knew you and formed you in your mothers womb." What is the second death? Final separation of spirits from God in the eternal lake of fire. Death does not mean loss of consciousness as you are accustomed to, but falling from grace. You talking that way because you are very used to physical death and all you think of is a loss of consciousness. When Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, were they unconscious?. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 10:06am On Aug 23, 2015 |
dolphinheart:Your anticipated answers follows in most of the below posts after each of Jeromejnr's quote Jeromejnr:If you are, who, I think you are, I've sent you an email Jeromejnr:Genesis 2:7 and Zechariah 12:1 confirms this but I just lurve 1 Corinthians 2:11 Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Zechariah 12:1 This message concerning the fate of Israel came from the LORD: "This message is from the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundations of the earth, and formed the human spirit 1 Corinthians 2:11 After all, who knows everything about a person except that person's own spirit? In the same way, no one has known everything about God except God's Spirit. The real us, however, is our souls, we became a living soul when God breathed into us and when we die, the soul goes to sleep, as when it crosses over, it turns into a state of unconsciousness to affairs on this side of things Also, at this point, naturally, the breath of God which kept the soul alive before it gave up the breath/ghost/spirit returns to God at death and at the end of it all, it is the soul that will sing like a canary and tell everything it knows before God about the life lived on earth Arghh. Too much basics to explain here, too much foundation & groundwork to lay down first e.g. trying to draw attention to the facts that, the life of the flesh is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the breath/spirit We ought to take notice of 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 below 1 Thessalonians 5:23 But The God of peace shall make all of you perfectly holy and shall keep your whole spirit, soul and body without fault for the arrival of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah. Hebrews 4:12 God's word is living and active. It is sharper than any two-edged sword and cuts as deep as the place where soul and spirit meet, the place where joints and marrow meet. God's word judges a person's thoughts and intentions Jeromejnr:Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations." Just like how, before a magnificient house was built, it was first known ABSTRACTLY, as in, the idea about the build was formed in the architect and client's head before the build's actual construction, - it was first known as an idea, then was on paper before it was known, on ground similarly so, Jeremiah 1:5 means, we existed in God's Thought or existed as an idea of His, before having our physical existence or before being given form in the flesh when we were in our mothers wombs. Jeromejnr:This is like the original Gehenna of Jerusalem, the refuse or dump site at the outskirt of Jerusalem It is where and how souls, death and Sheol/Hell/Hades are thoroughly and permanently gotten rid of Revelation 20:13-14 explains and paints a beautiful picture of this, better than I would, so here it is: Revelation 20:13-14 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. Jeromejnr:Correctly, it is more of separation and destruction of souls than a ''final separation of spirits'' Lets take notice of Matthew 10:28 and Luke 12:5 for a clearer understanding Matthew 10:28 "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. The original intent and mission is accomplished - This whole thing was all about sin, it is all about going through the whole process of ridding the world of sin, right to the point where it never will rear its ugly head ever again. Sin has been allowed to wrought out all its worse and worst If according to Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death, but down towards the end of the Bible, Revelation 21:4 says: death is no more, then by deductive reasoning we can be rest reassured that by the strength of Revelation 21:4 there will no more be sin Romans 6:23 But the product of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life in our Lord Yeshua The Messiah. Revelation 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever." Jeromejnr:Death is always about separating or separation. It always is about an end to the existence of someone or something Jeromejnr:Loss of consciousness is otherwise known too as, sleep of unconsciousness There is consciousness in whatever realm one finds oneself, and the consciousness is limited to the boundaries of the resident realm so in effect, cross-consciousness doesnt exist, as in those in the land of the dead are not consciousness of the happenings in the land of the living and vice versa, those in the land of the living are not consciousness of the happenings in the land of the dead Hence the reasoning behind the phrase, the dead are sleeping, as in they are oblivious to our surroundings in the land of the living just as like, when we physically sleep, we, until when we wake up, are oblivious of our surrounding and all the going ons therein Jeromejnr:Not unconscious to Jesus but though Peter, James and John could see Moses and Elijah, they were unconscious to/of Peter, James and John and except with Jesus, there was no interaction between Moses and Elijah, and Peter, James or John |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jozzy4: 11:22am On Aug 23, 2015 |
prettysassygirl: NO ! Is it witnesses that wrote that bible verse ?  what do you think about God's statement at Genesis 3:19 ? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MizJanet(f): 11:46am On Aug 23, 2015 |
@ JeromeJnr Stop this lies Death is death , total opposite of life . An evidence that you religiotard guys are bunch of liers is the fact that you say " THE FLESH DIE" , in that context you understand that death is death , it dies . It cease to exist We have now seen the true meaning of death ............ You said the real you is your spirit , and you are saying it cant die or cease to exist . MY QUESTION : How could you claim Jesus die for your sins , since the real person called Jesus is a spirit that never dies ? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 12:06pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MizJanet: Give us proof there is no spirit and death is the end? Have you died before for you to make such a conclusion? You base all your points on assumptions. And for your question: from scriptures there are two kinds of death: The spiritual and the Physical. The physical is death of the flesh and the spiritual is separation from the life and presence of God. The problem is you think in you limited understanding that death is only a loss of consciousness. But Jesus was separated from the Father for a while. That's why He cried on the cross that the Father had forsook Him and as a result He went down to hell. (Too deep for you I know). So yes the spirit never dies(loose consciousness) but can die (be separated from God). That's why in the book of revelations those in the lake of fire are considered to have undergone the second death.(they are conscious but totally separated from God forever) E,g. Genesis -God said to Adam, the day you eat of this fruit, you shall surely die. Well did he physically die? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 12:19pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MizJanet:There are varying degrees and different types or kinds of death MizJanet:As earlier pointed there are varying degrees and different types or kinds of death MizJanet:The real us, is our souls, we became a living soul when God breathed into us and when we die, the soul goes to sleep, as when it crosses over, it turns into a state of unconsciousness to affairs on this side of things Also, at this point, naturally, the breath of God which kept the soul alive before it gave up the breath/ghost/spirit returns to God at death and at the end of it all, it is the soul that will sing like a canary and tell everything it knows before God about the life lived on earth Arghh. Too much basics to explain here, too much foundation & groundwork to lay down first e.g. trying to draw attention to the facts that, the life of the flesh is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the breath/spirit We ought to take notice of 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 below 1 Thessalonians 5:23 But The God of peace shall make all of you perfectly holy and shall keep your whole spirit, soul and body without fault for the arrival of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah. Hebrews 4:12 God's word is living and active. It is sharper than any two-edged sword and cuts as deep as the place where soul and spirit meet, the place where joints and marrow meet. God's word judges a person's thoughts and intentions MizJanet:If you had thoroughly and carefully followed the entire thread, you would have spotted from the posts, the dfferences and distinctions between body, soul and spirit MizJanet:God the Father is a Spirit who turned up on earth in human form, as God the Son, Jesus Christ. Please dont get this twisted sister God never dies, and even if He chose to die, if He chose to lay down His life, He has the power as He already has demonstrated to take back His lfe |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MizJanet(f): 12:19pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
 read what you wrote up there , confuse man . Thats what happen when a lie is been fabricated . It has to be twisted and twisted like u av done above ........................ An average christian admit the statement "Flesh DIE " means died , it decays and cease to exist , unconscious . That agrees with the meaning of death . That simply shows you people know the meaning of death but only decide to twist . MY QUESTION : did Jesus died a physical or spiritual death ? Keyword " sacrifice" . Lets start from there Answer ... |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 12:34pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: MizJanet:Madam it is you, plying confused.com with your militant and uncalmingly argumentative spirit ....................... MizJanet:Of course the flesh died, it decays and cease to exist but its soul, though, conscious in the realm of the dead it is unconscious of things happening in the land of the living (i.e. it sleeps) Man afterall, is made of body, soul and spirit - the Body returning back to the ground aka earth, is what Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 3:20 and the former part of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is all about - the Soul sleeping in the grave aka Sheol is what Psalms 89:48 and Daniel 12:2 are all about - and spirit returning back to God is what the latter part of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is all about Madam, are you familiar with with the facts that, the life of the flesh is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the breath/spirit? MizJanet:It means that you're trying to find comfort in an absolute meaning of death MizJanet:Good question and here is the straighforward short and simple answer to it. Yes! He died both physical and spiritual death |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MizJanet(f): 12:41pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Your own case is special , must you comment . You said :
Contradicts himself
God never die , but your God still choose to die and eventually died . MUST u comment ? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 12:45pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MizJanet: What is you problem in understanding what I wrote up there? Yes the flesh dies (the brain is part of the flesh and thereby the consciousnes it gives is lost). I told you "from the same scriptures there are two types of death-The Physical and Spiritual. The spiritual death means separation and not loss of consciousness. And I gave you scriptures to support it. Now for your question: Jesus died both of the deaths. The physical (flesh) on the cross and the spiritual (God forsaken Him and Him going to hell). Gal 3:13: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."" Eph 1:19-20"....and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places," Now look at this: Col 3: "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above,......" ......For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory." So from that, what can we say? Is it talking of a physical death or a spiritual death. Why will this scripture be written for those that are physically dead, how are they going to be able to read it? |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 12:59pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MizJanet:Must you want to muzzle MizJanet:If it will make you feel better so be it You would have understood, only if you are familiar with verses like Psalm 90:2 Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, you were God. You are God from everlasting to everlasting. Answer this question: When God the Son, Jesus Christ died on the cross, did God the Father stop existing? Did God cease to exist? MizJanet:So? The Good part you conveniently left out was that God the Son Jesus Christ resurrected which means the end justified whatever means God chose MizJanet:Twice you asking this question. There isn't anything hurting in my comments except if the truth hurts |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MizJanet(f): 1:22pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: You have just proved the point . Death is a loss of consciousness
Lol @ underlined , only his useless flesh dies While the real jesus himself escapes death .
, cant stop laughing . But your bible always paint sinners as spiritually dead , isnt it ? Wow , you just proved jesus is a sinner too for dying spiritual |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by Jeromejnr(m): 1:28pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MizJanet: Loool. It's obvious you have no concrete argument again because I just dissected the scriptures for you. So as a result you've resorted to assumptions and absurd claims. Don't worry I understand.  And for all you wrote up there, I would have dissected them once again for you, but seeing I will just be talking to a hardened heart who is bent on twisting things to your favor, I put my pen down. |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MizJanet(f): 1:35pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Mutteylaff Two Gods , Really ? A God dies while the other God is alive . |
| Re: Where Did Adam Go When He Died ? by MuttleyLaff: 1:39pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MizJanet:Yes, besides varying degrees of deatrh and the different types or kinds of death, the loss of consciosness is relative MizJanet:His flesh was sinless. He was a sinless man. No sin was found in Him Lots of others such Pilate, the Roman guards etcetera attested to this truth Did you really think His flesh was useless? Madam, I asked before but will re-ask again. Are you familiar with with the facts that, the life of the flesh is in the blood and the life of the soul is in the breath/spirit? MizJanet:I will curtail that laughter if I were you, as this is serious soul saving business, besides on that day, boys wont be laughing, instead there will be more of weeping and gnashing of teeth when thrown out after sighting Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God MizJanet:Tell us something we all dont already know MizJanet:It proves nothing, except for, that Jesus was ready and willing to lay down His life Everyone know John 3:16, why dont you? |
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