BeeBeeOoh:
I'm just watching this administration..

atlwireles:
Inspite of all the months spent vetting candidates for office, something as basic as educational qualification has been missed. What will these almajiris and their dullard from Daura, do next?

EgusiSoup:
A dullard president with no certificate appoints another fraud of a dullard with fake certificate what does that tell you?

Anybody that voted for this man needs to go for brain surgery.

EgusiSoup:
A dullard president with no certificate appoints another fraud of a dullard with fake certificate what does that tell you?

Anybody that voted for this man needs to go for brain surgery.

atlwireles:
Inspite of all the months spent vetting candidates for office, something as basic as educational qualification has been missed. What will these almajiris and their dullard from Daura, do next?

Rumuola thug, when did u start believing Sahara reporters

OZAOEKPE:

Biafra is a failed project, I won't take you serious not until kalu himself comes to Nigeria to lead the war

JayJohnson:


You are still waiting for Kanu? You will wait till eternity, Biafra is dead forever.
Biafra exist only in your dreams and imagination
Good morning

atlwireles:
Inspite of all the months spent vetting candidates for office, something as basic as educational qualification has been missed. What will these almajiris and their dullard from Daura, do next?

Abugab:
Sahara reporters and their propaganda.
The man was only given an honorary doctorate degree and the degree could have been bestowed on him before the university had their crisis.
Did he get a fake first and second degrees from his alma mater?
Must these guys write on everything and everyone?

mojeer678:


Isn't Fowler the guy who ferried Lagosians to Dubai for his daughter's wedding while he was still in govt?

PMB's security background checkers must have missed that fact, I guess.

PassingShot:

I get it from all you've written that you agree nothing has been proved against the man and that's exactly my problem with SR or anyone who clings to the unsubstantiated and unproven news. We must desist from Pull Him Down (PhD) politics we play in Nigeria just to get at the opponents. It's completely wrong of SR and Kperogi to make an unverified claim and brand his honorary degree "fake" without having completed their investigations. The onus is on those who allege to prove their point and not who is being accused. So, your point suggesting someone to make inquiries (perhaps you expect the presidency to do that even) on a degree which would definitely NOT have been submitted alongside his credentials holds no water. For crying out loud, IT IS A HONORARY AWARD and as such he needn't submit same along his documents while being considered for the post.

Finally, note that even as a Buharist, I have called out the president on few occasions on this forum. Check my posts/threads record to clear your doubt. But on this one, the president has not erred a bit.

EgusiSoup:
A dullard president with no certificate appoints another fraud of a dullard with fake certificate what does that tell you?

Anybody that voted for this man needs to go for brain surgery.

JuanDeDios:


Nobody has said Buhari has done anything wrong here. Now these allegations have surfaced, what the president should do is ask the NIA to investigate those foreign certificates. Under Jonathan's odious government, it won't matter. Under Buhari's change government, it should.

It seems you don’t understand what the problem is. Let me spell it out –

* The fact this doctorate from a less than ok university was read in his citation by Buhari's spokesman means he himself included it in his CV and the government didn’t bother to check.

* The fact he parades himself as a doctor (on his website) when he has no PhD or medical degree, against the stipulations of the Committee of Vice Chancellors, though not a crime, calls his moral character into question.

* It is right to point out anything that is not on the level regarding someone being appointed into high office so you have no case against the vigilant media here.

The government should make findings and come out to tell us the result. The government may say something like, “Nigerians, our attention was drawn to some issues raised against Babatunde Fowler. We can tell you that the issue of his doctorate is immaterial since it was an honourary degree. But since the university is less than reputable we should not have included it in his citation. The error is regretted. On the matter of his degrees, we can confirm that he obtained his first degree from the University of Wisconsin at ____________. Bla bla bla.” That should settle the matter. Thank you.

And mind you, Buhari has wasted the country's four months or so yet no cabinet - with the attendant economic losses. He better come up with a mix of angels and archangels to justify that. Not a bunch of people with question marks trailing them.

ronald4lif:


What pedigree or reputation could a man who forged an honorary degree have? How can we trust him with the task of his new job without putting into consideration if he'll manipulate and distort vital information in performing his duties as the head of FIR?

For someone who could manipulate his credentials, whether honorary or earned degrees, they can't be trusted in public office. He's a fraudulent character by that single act. It's also possible that the said honorary degree could have been subliminally considered and influential to his appointment.

Sagamite:
Presenting a honorary degree from a non-accredited univerity is not something I would make a lot of noise about.

But if it is due to this fake honorary degree that he is labeling himself "Dr", that is, he has no medical or doctoral degree, then his appointment needs to be cancelled asap.

Those kind of Nigerians we don't want in government.

Abugab:
Sahara reporters and their propaganda.
The man was only given an honorary doctorate degree and the degree could have been bestowed on him before the university had their crisis.
Did he get a fake first and second degrees from his alma mater?
Must these guys write on everything and everyone?

PassingShot:

Sorry, I disagree completely with you.

That the degree was included in his citation is not a crime as far as there is no proof so far that it's fake.

That he has it on his website and addresses himself is also not an issue as far as the award is genuine.

That the university is "less than reputable" or "blacklisted" as some of you claim still doesn't make the award fake.

The degree ONLY becomes fake if and when it is proved that "the less than reputable" university didn't really honor him with it.



From May 29th to August 21st is not four months my friend. It's not even three months yet. You only expose yourself for what you are - a wailing wailer.

And what are the economic losses you're talking about? I am willing to engage you on them if you bring something reasonable up.

JuanDeDios:


No, I won't engage you, because you you can't be engaged. How can someone who can't differentiate between criminal liability and moral baggage discuss macroeconomics? I said "three months or so" - I knew it wasn't an exact statement to make - you're grasping at straws. And your labelling me shows you can't think properly or take your own advice about checking people's posting history.

Why do you keep harping on the words "crime" and "fake" even after I have not disputed your position on those and clearly stated I am only concerned about moral baggage on the part of someone getting into high office? Yeah, it's Nigeria. And it's your party.

PassingShot:

You're a bare faced liar and as such not worth the trouble. You clearly wrote four months and not the "three months" or so. Good I quoted you and as such can't be denied.

Done with you.

JuanDeDios:

Oh, that? Yes. I wrote four months. Then I clicked modify and changed it to three when I realised my error. Actually, I thought you were quibbling about the three months and I didn't know you quoted four months. You'd need more than an error like that to prove me a liar since I have debated with based on facts available from two materials. Anyway, strange how you have reduced this to how many months Buhari has been in office. That is not an important point. We all worked for a change of government from the morally-bankrupt PDP but you partisans won't let us criticise. You see yellow and say it's green. SR did far more than you to bring change to Nigeria. Farook Kperogi is a Buharist, if ever there was one. But there are thinking Buharists and there are unthinking Buharists. Your types are the problem with Nigeria.

PassingShot:

Boy, what is your point?

I have proved to you that the degree in question is not fake based on definitions of "fake" and you have agreed.

On your part, [b]you want the presidency to acknowledge an error based on the unproven allegation [/b]even though no error exists until proven.

PassingShot:

So, what is your argument per se?

PassingShot:

I state again that:

1. There is no moral burden on the man or the FG to prove that the degree is fake.
2. It is those who allege that have to prove it is fake. After all, it is morally wrong to allege without facts based on investigation.

What has SR or Farooq being Buharists got to do with the argument? Or you expect that because one Farooq or SR say something, people don't have to use their God-given brain to think things through?

PassingShot:

I ask you again, what is your main problems? The moral burden is on SR and Farooq to prove that the honorary award is fake and not anyone else.

That the uni is "blacklisted" doesn't make the awards they've given out become fake? Or does it?

JuanDeDios:

No, kiddo, that is not what I said. Read again. This time, slowly.

Read my posts.

“Nigerians, our attention was drawn to some issues raised against Babatunde Fowler. We can tell you that the issue of his doctorate is immaterial since it was an honourary degree. But since the university is less than reputable we should not have included it in his citation. The error is regretted. On the matter of his degrees, we can confirm that he obtained his first degree from the University of Wisconsin at ____________. Bla bla bla.” That should settle the matter.

I will explain this carefully so you can see link. Now, read your own post again. You brought "wailing wailers" into this, implying that only Buhari's enemies would be interested in this matter.

No. But I'd remove it from my CV to avoid embarrassments and distractions like this one. (I'm even prepared to accept it was an oversight, hence my earlier post which you cited wrongly.) And, of course, I wouldn't be so vain as to parade myself as "Dr" with some "honourary" piece of paper against the position of those charged with such matters in the country. Why have it just now been removed from his Wikipedia page, as people are saying? If it is okay to leave it on his CV, why not leave it on Wikipedia? And you say the government has no business investigating or responding to clear up things and avoid distractions Buhari and Nigeria don't need at this time.

In recognition of his works, Fowler was awarded Honorary Senior Member of The Chartered Institute of Bankers of Nigeria in 2004, conferred with fellowship ‘Honoris Causa’ by Certified Board of Administrators of Nigeria in May 2007 and Professional Honorary Doctorate Degree in June 2007 by the Irish International University. He is also a Fellow of both the Chartered Institute of Taxation of Nigeria, and Business Management Association (UK). Fowler was named as the Outstanding Government Personality of the Year (2014) by the organisers of the Leadership Award For African Achievers amongst other notable African leaders who were awarded in different categories of human endeavours by the event organisers.[13]

SR and Kperogi have no moral burden. To illustrate, ever heard of plagiarism in academics? If someone says you plagiarised his work, he has not alleged a crime, he has only called your moral character and fitness to be a prof or an academic into question. The school's senate will investigate the allegation and if proved, the prof in question will be fired. He is not a criminal but he has a morally broken character. But this is something you can't comprehend, even if I spent a thousand years explaining it. You will keep yodeling about "crime" and "fake" and other issues I'm not disputing.

This is a waste of time. Cheers. Carry go. You done win.

PassingShot:

You're a huge joke really!

You keep denying your statements. If not, what do you mean by this statement of yours if not that the FG should acknowledge an error?

Anyone who reasons upside down can rightly be called a wailing wailer. So?

The first word ("No" answers the question. So, you're convinced the degree is not fake. Good.
Whether he chooses to be addressed as "Dr." or not is not our business. Throughout the world, people answer "Doctor" based on honorary degrees. Fact! That you won't do it doesn't make it morally wrong for another person who chooses to do it.

And again you lied about it being removed from his Wikipedia page. I just checked it and it's there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babatunde_Fowler It says

Wrong again. It's a common saying that "the burden of proof lies with who alleges. So spare the preaching.


I know. It's what people with no points to defend their position say.

Take care.

JuanDeDios:


Correction: Earlier, I wrote this: "Why have it just now been removed from his Wikipedia page, as people are saying?" It was from his profile on the Lagos State Internal Revenue Service website that Fowler deleted the reference to his honorary doctorate from the Irish International University. He also deleted the "Dr." prefix in his name. Yesterday. For those not familiar with the subject, Mr Babatunde Fowler got an honourary doctorate from a fake university (difference between that and fake doctorate is one between six and half a dozen) and has commenced deletion of same from public portals. Not sure yet how he will delete it from the CVs and profile he submitted to President Buhari. Anyway, na Naija we dey.

The rest of what Mr PassingShot wrote above only betrays his inability to comprehend posts.

mhbabanna:

Hey Mr I u sure you comprehended my statement before commenting, taking a second look at it would do a whole lot of good. That statement was referring to the poster before me not PMB. Please next time be more attentive