Kimoni:


I corrected something in your first paragraph

Semantics. We both are correct

Timbuktou:
When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and,
trust me, over time, nothing is sexier. ----Sheryl Sanberg.

Shymme3x, the quote above is the conclusion of the whole matter. Women will fvck bad boys but marry nice guys. Pepa is only regretting her Will Smith experience because he'd have made a great husband not that he's such a great guy that it would be logical to be with him, same with Vivica.

I honestly don't think they marry nice guys cos they want to. Most times, they just settle for them as the last option and perhaps due to whatever bad experiences they had with thugs. That's why a lot of always stay creeping even after getting with nice guys.

Pepa is the type that will marry Will Smith and still be creeping with Treach - that's how they roll.

Shymm3x:
Lmao...that's the average chic for you regardless of her status/education. They always fall in love with "thugs"/bad boys. Thugs/bad boys necessarily don't mean hoodrats - just folks who are rough around the edges and are a product of their environment.

Academics like Dr. Eric Dyson and Dr. Marc Lamont Hill also fall into that cos regardless of how educated they're - they're still a product of the mean streets of Detroit and Philly respectively. And they'd tell you that off the bat. Ditto folks like Idris Elba and Denzel Washington.

Dollyparton1
Yetseyi
missy89
1bkaye

What do you lot think? And how come you lot always sheg the sweet/nice guys?

Like missy said stop generalizing

The same way some guys leave the "good ladies" is also the same way some ladies ignore the nice guys.

Most ladies know a nice guy is what they need but for whatever reason some of us just tend to want more(which is not what they need). Its quite complex and I seem not to understand it my self.

Why would I ignore a guy who treats me right? I have seen it happen several times to people and then I ask is she all right. The same is applicable to guys, they leave the good ladies and then run after the ones that its obvious would give them problems.

But there are some smart ladies out there who know a good/nice/sweet guy when they see one and make sure they keep him.

freecocoa:
Mehn! I honestly don't even see an argument here because I can't relate to your assertions, it's very wrong to be so emphatic on the matter.

As far as I know, many mature women who know what they want, are turned off by the typical bad boy persona, it comes off as very juvenile, you sound like the 'nice guys' are not men enough A nice guy has the traits a real woman wants, he just knows how to handle it, unless you are putting a sissy in the place of a nice guy.

Vivica being attracted to 50 is not standard for all women.

No argument here. You know, in a sense, we are saying the same thing. Ok let me break down my position some more

Vivica being attracted to 50 is an example of the dynamic that describes female attraction.

Female attraction is basically two fold in nature; the organic and automatic pull of pronounced masculine traits in a man and the push for long term provisioning and comfort.

Unfortunately very few men can satisfy the twin nature of female attraction. Men easily fall into two groups in this regard, the "bad boys" and the "nice/sweet guys", the alphas and the betas, if you will. The bad boys exude those masculine traits that engender an automatic and non-negotiated response alas because of their bad boy persona they can be harmful choices to the women. The nice/sweet guys are the ones that can easily satisfy the other half of female attraction needs - i.e, the long term provisioning part, but alas in doing this they do not generate an automatic or organic response. (The nice guys because they suppress the distinct masculine traits will 'always come last' because of this fact)

This dichotomy is always present in all women attractions matters.

"Mature women" find the bad boy persona juvenile because they realise it comes up short when considering the long term provisioning aspect of their attraction. [s]I'll go forward and add that in their not so mature days the women gave themselves to the bad boy types but saying that would only trigger another round of debate that this section is famous for.[/s]

Shymm3x:


I honestly don't think they marry nice guys cos they want to. Most times, they just settle for them as the last option and perhaps due to whatever bad experiences they had with thugs. That's why a lot of always stay creeping even after getting with nice guys.

Pepa is the type that will marry Will Smith and still be creeping with Treach - that's how they roll.

That's exactly the point. They know they can't control the alpha guy, and women want a man they can control or, at least, predict. Look at the thread on the guy who went undercover at Ashley Madison, his experiences are nothing new, just a confirmation of that which is already known.

And the ones that creep the most are these alpha females and feminist types, that "get bored easily". We know them and their tactics. They might want to deny the fact, but we go just look and laugh.

You may have a point there. ladies, just like men, want their adventure too. The excitement, the thrill, the rough edges, the I-want-what-I-want-damn-the consequences! It's our makeup...the calm follows.

Trust me, we want the good guy and love to see some rough edges here and there no brut...just ssezxy ruggedness.

yetseyi:

Like missy said stop generalizing

The same way some guys leave the "good ladies" is also the same way some ladies ignore the nice guys.

Most ladies know a nice guy is what they need but for whatever reason some of us just tend to want more(which is not what they need). Its quite complex and I seem not to understand it my self.

Why would I ignore a guy who treats me right? I have seen it happen several times to people and then I ask is she all right. The same is applicable to guys, they leave the good ladies and then run after the ones that its obvious would give them problems.

But there are some smart ladies out there who know a good/nice/sweet guy when they see one and make sure they keep him.

Lmao. I'm not generalising - I'm just trying to help the mindset of a lot of women, and help the nice/sweet guys out cos it seems they're losing.

Anyway, this is for you and missy89. I'm going to create a bracket and I want the both of you to select one guy from each bracket. This will help a lot in knowing what ya mindset is and please keep it real.

- Idris Elba vs. Terrence Howard

- Denzel Washington vs. Will Smith

- Marc Lamont Hill vs. Don Lemon

- Colin Kaepernick vs. Russell Wilson

- Carmelo Anthony vs. Al Horford

- Chris Webber vs. Reggie Miller

- Tupac vs. Q.tip

PS: if you don't know the names - you can google them.

Timbuktou:


That's exactly the point. They know they can't control the alpha guy, and women want a man they can control or, at least, predict. Look at the thread on the guy who went undercover at Ashley Madison, his experiences are nothing new, just a confirmation of that which is already known.

And the ones that creep the most are these alpha females and feminist types, that "get bored easily". We know them and their tactics. They might want to deny the fact, but we go just look and laugh.

Lol.

Women are very funny. Just imagine a legend like Vivica Fox calling 50cent the love of her life. The same way Madonna, at the height of her career, used to run after Tupac everywhere. Mariah Carey and Cam'ron. Even Oprah wanted 50cent at one point.

ApexTitan:

I'll go forward and add that in their not so mature days the women gave themselves to the bad boy types

I was going to say these exact words but I'm not sure I have enough nutrients to follow through with its eventual outcome. Brilliant point.

Shymm3x you know with your list above the ladies will only pick the men they perceive to be alpha. You can't question or analyse their choices because it is based solely on their perceptions.

Its the feminine makeup generally. They love the roughness of those bad guys thats why in school some girls would be queuing up for some bad guy while seriously friend zoning the guys who are cool serious bookworms

Even the born again sisters are not left out

There was one serious case of a girl attached to one of these bad boys. The guy doesnt send her one bit, treats her like trash. the guy would even fuccck her in a room of 10 guys (sleeping or pretending to be sleeping) atimes I heard he even hits her while the girl would always come back yet some calm guys were always trying to get her attention but they are always too soft for her

One of her favourite saying to those calm guys is "You cant handle me"

The only reason why women drop this ideology when old is because of the need for stability they realize those bad guys are bad for a long term relationship so they kinda settle for the regular guy but still at the back of their minds wish they can get with those bad guys

The ideal man for them would be a BAD GUY who would have a lot of money make her his only bitttch.

Imagine 2pac when he was alive all the females in the entertainment industry were trying to get with him. From janet Jackson to Kidada Jones(quincy Jones daughter) to faith Evans

ApexTitan:


No argument here. You know, in a sense, we are saying the same thing. Ok let me break down my position some more

Vivica being attracted to 50 is an example of the dynamic that describes female attraction.

Female attraction is basically two fold in nature; the organic and automatic pull of pronounced masculine traits in a man and the push for long term provisioning and comfort.

Unfortunately very few men can satisfy the twin nature of female attraction. Men easily fall into two groups in this regard, the "bad boys" and the "nice/sweet guys", the alphas and the betas, if you will. The bad boys exude those masculine traits that engender an automatic and non-negotiated response alas because of their bad boy persona they can be harmful choices to the women. The nice/sweet guys are the ones that can easily satisfy the other half of female attraction needs - i.e, the long term provisioning part, but alas in doing this they do not generate an automatic or organic response. (The nice guys because they suppress the distinct masculine traits will 'always come last' because of this fact)

This dichotomy is always present in all women attractions matters.

"Mature women" find the bad boy persona juvenile because they realise it comes up short when considering the long term provisioning aspect of their attraction. [s]I'll go forward and add that in their not so mature days the women gave themselves to the bad boy types but saying that would only trigger another round of debate that this section is famous for.[/s]

We are not saying the same thing jor.

All I see in your post is you saying, nice guys are betas and that's so very wrong, please don't tell me 50 and his likes is your definition of the alpha male, seriously dude? it can't be same for all women so the generalisation is just not fitting at all, there are women who have never at any point in their lives wanted a bad boy.

Shymm3x:


Lmao. I'm not generalising - I'm just trying to help the mindset of a lot of women, and help the nice/sweet guys out cos it seems they're losing.

Anyway, this is for you and missy89. I'm going to create a bracket and I want the both of you to select one guy from each bracket. This will help a lot in knowing what ya mindset is and please keep it real.

- Idris Elba vs. Terrence Howard

- Denzel Washington vs. Will Smith

- Marc Lamont Hill vs. Don Lemon

- Colin Kaepernick vs. Russell Wilson

- Carmelo Anthony vs. Al Horford

- Chris Webber vs. Reggie Miller

- Tupac vs. Q.tip

PS: if you don't know the names - you can google them.

Lool, I am a bit lazy now I really cant google about those i dont know much about. Even those I know what makes you think either of them falls within my own definition of a nice guy.

freecocoa:
there are women who have never at any point in their lives wanted a bad boy.

I agree with you.

ApexTitan:
Shymm3x you know with your list above the ladies will only pick the men they perceive to be alpha. You can't question or analyse their choices because it is based solely on their perceptions.

Word. And that's where the problem lies.

That's the reason why I created the thread. Not trying to take the race route but it's just basically something I noticed. It's like every time I meet an extremely beautiful black chic dating just any type of white guy. I normally ask them in a cheeky way why they're with whoever they're with, since it's obvious that they can do better than that. And it's funny that they all always give the same answers about black guys being violent jailbirds, serial cheaters, and all kinds of negative things.

So you have always question their decision making when it comes to guys, since those are the type of guys they're always attracted to. A lot of run with the perception, but they don't have the mental fortitude to deal with the baggage that comes with it.

raumdeuter:
Its the feminine makeup generally. They love the roughness of those bad guys thats why in school some girls would be queuing up for some bad guy while seriously friend zoning the guys who are cool serious bookworms

Even the born again sisters are not left out

There was one serious case of a girl attached to one of these bad boys. The guy doesnt send her one bit, treats her like trash. the guy would even fuccck her in a room of 10 guys (sleeping or pretending to be sleeping) atimes I heard he even hits her while the girl would always come back yet some calm guys were always trying to get her attention but they are always too soft for her

One of her favourite saying to those calm guys is "You cant handle me"

The only reason why women drop this ideology when old is because of the need for stability they realize those bad guys are bad for a long term relationship so they kinda settle for the regular guy but still at the back of their minds wish they can get with those bad guys

The ideal man for them would be a BAD GUY who would have a lot of money make her his only bitttch.

Imagine 2pac when he was alive all the females in the entertainment industry were trying to get with him. From janet Jackson to Kidada Jones(quincy Jones daughter) to faith Evans

Lol.

yetseyi:


Lool, I am a bit lazy now I really cant google about those i dont know much about. Even those I know what makes you think either of them falls within my own definition of a nice guy.

All the ones on the left are rough around the edges. They might look like nice guys on the outside but they aren't sweet guys. They're all thorough bred.

Even Denzel used to be a G (and he still is despite his age).

yetseyi:


I agree with you.

Take a look at raumdeuter's post, does the lady described seem normal? and we are supposed to believe that's "the feminine makeup generally" like seriously? Funny.

Shymm3x:


All the ones on the left are rough around the edges. They might look like nice guys on the outside but they aren't sweet guys. They're all thorough bred.

Even Denzel used to be a G (and he still is despite his age).

So all those on the right are the real sweet/nice guys hmm well a its expected that most ladies would go for will smith and co but like I said earlier its not always the case and I really cant understand why.

raumdeuter:
Its the feminine makeup generally. They love the roughness of those bad guys thats why in school some girls would be queuing up for some bad guy while seriously friend zoning the guys who are cool serious bookworms

Even the born again sisters are not left out

Feminine make up loving roughness I dont agree. I agree that ladies sometimes make the wrong choices because of the wrong reasons but loving the roughness I don't think so.


Born again sisters? I disagree joor.

freecocoa:
Take a look at raumdeuter's post, does the lady described seem normal? and we are supposed to believe that's "the feminine makeup generally" like seriously? Funny.

Honestly, the lady doesn't seem normal.

Shymm3x:


Lmao. I'm not generalising - I'm just trying to help the mindset of a lot of women, and help the nice/sweet guys out cos it seems they're losing.

Anyway, this is for you and missy89. I'm going to create a bracket and I want the both of you to select one guy from each bracket. This will help a lot in knowing what ya mindset is and please keep it real.

- Idris Elba vs. Terrence Howard

- Denzel Washington vs. Will Smith

- Marc Lamont Hill vs. Don Lemon

- Colin Kaepernick vs. Russell Wilson

- Carmelo Anthony vs. Al Horford

- Chris Webber vs. Reggie Miller

- Tupac vs. Q.tip

PS: if you don't know the names - you can google them.

Hmmm

I want Michael Ealy

yetseyi:


Honestly, the lady doesn't seem normal.

Not in the least bit.

freecocoa:
We are not saying the same thing jor.

All I see in your post is you saying, nice guys are betas and that's so very wrong, please don't tell me 50 and his likes is your definition of the alpha male, seriously dude? it can't be same for all women so the generalisation is just not fitting at all, there are women who have never at any point in their lives wanted a bad boy.

Lol.

The thing about alphas is that they embody or give out pronounced masculine cues. The masculine traits in their pure form comprise strength, courage, mastery, dominance, and much more. That's what makes a true alpha.

These are the things that ALL women are hardwired to respond to and why we can comfortably generalise so. A man may have a bad or good character but gives out those cues strongly - he is alpha.

Missy89:


Hmmm

I want Michael Ealy

Dude, he's mine.

yetseyi:

Feminine make up loving roughness I dont agree. I agree that ladies sometimes make the wrong choices because of the wrong reasons but loving the roughness I don't think so.

Born again sisters? I disagree joor.

I know this from personal experience. It has happened to me like 5 times. While younger I was closer to the rough/bad guy. I can joke and say x rated stuffs easily

There was a girl from the same school we met when I was on IT. In the same office, i would talk dirty, say nasty stuffs she would just laugh say "You are a very bad boy" but she would come around to gist and hear more. The talks got increasingly dirty and she would really find it very funny. It was when we got back to school that ppl were wondering how I could get that girl. This was a girl that would go in front of a lecture theatre of 300 students to preach regularly.

Another one during NYSC. Very born again girl NCCF deputy mama (She doesnt even put treatment in her hair) It started as a joke in the staff room. Of course everyday was I would move from one corper to the other. But after talking to her. and honestly I didnt have it in mind to even do anything with her. That was how she started following me about. Things happened between us. I would drink and even smoke while she would be clinging to me

All of them followed the same pattern, girls that I never expected would even pay me attention because I was bad/rough

All these girls had some bro that was always visiting them trying to get their attention and they would even ridicule the bro when they are gone. those bros used to fear me then and wonder what Sister Bleep was doing with me

ApexTitan:

Lol.
The thing about alphas is that they embody or give out pronounced masculine cues. The masculine traits in their pure form comprise strength, courage, mastery, dominance, and much more. That's what makes a true alpha.
These are the things that ALL women are hardwired to respond to and why we can comfortably generalise so. A man may have a bad or good character but gives out those cues strongly - he is alpha.

ApexTitan:


Lol.

The thing about alphas is that they embody or give out pronounced masculine cues. The masculine traits in their pure form comprise strength, courage, mastery, dominance, and much more. That's what makes a true alpha.

These are the things that ALL women are hardwired to respond to and why we can comfortably generalise so. A man may have a bad or good character but gives out those cues strongly - he is alpha.

Yet you guys somehow managed to proclaim the guys with good character, betas, or can't an alpha male be a nice guy?

Missy89:


Hmmm

I want Michael Ealy

Lol. Why are you reaching for what you can't get? He's not on the list and he is not even into black women.

Is that ya way of dodging the obvious on what ya answer would be?

Ooops, I forgot you prefer white guys.

Okay, choose one from each bracket:

- Colin Farrell vs. Bradley Cooper

- Robert De Niro vs. Johnny Depp

Shymm3x:


Lol. Why are you reaching for what you can't get? He's not on the list and he is not even into black women.

Is that ya way of dodging the obvious on what ya answer would be?

Ooops, I forgot you prefer white guys.

Okay, choose one from each bracket:

- Colin Farrell vs. Bradley Cooper

- Robert De Niro vs. Johnny Depp

Bradley Cooper of course. That was easy

yetseyi:


So all those on the right are the real sweet/nice guys hmm well a its expected that most ladies would go for will smith and co but like I said earlier its not always the case and I really cant understand why.

Nah, based on public opinions - most chics prefer the guys on the left. Most women would take Denzel Washington before Will Smith, despite the former being a weed head...but he does have a strong woman who can deal with the baggage though.

Idris Elba is a sex symbol - something Terrence Howard will never be. And Idris Elba is a proper London roadman - he made his name in the UK, before going to the US via pirate radio stations. When he got to New York - he was running around the streets DJing and doing whatever thorough breds do. Heck, he was in a lot of hip-hop videos in the noughties. He's also a weed head.

I won't get into the rest cos the stories are all the same. All sex symbols to most women. And Chris Webber also pulled Tyra Banks when she was on top of the world as a top super model.

Missy89:


Bradley Cooper of course. That was easy

GTFOH!!!

Bradley Cooper over Ireland's own Colin Farell, the chics magnet? You lied!

What about De Niro the papi chulo?

I don't see any "female problems" here o!
ONLY DATING PROBLEMS!

If you are NOT compatible, no deal!
If 50 Cents is a "NICE, SWEET GUY" . . . . .no hope for women!
Tufiakwa!!!!

Nothing sweet or nice about "HOOD RATS"!