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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 2:45pm On Sep 05, 2015
Goodboiyy:


my point here is tat ilaje re more related to us than most Yoruba sub group.

if an Ilaje man speaks u from Ogun won't understand, likewise us, 80% of them sees themselves as ilaje.

PS: I hold nothing against Yoruba, am just telling wat I know
I am from owo in ondo state.
I can understand 90% itsekiri language without having stepping my foot on your land, I only listen to your radio station here in ondo state . somebody from oyo or ogun states can not understand me when I speak. does that make me not yoruba?

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 2:57pm On Sep 05, 2015
Teejizzle:

I am from owo in ondo state.
I can understand 90% itsekiri language without having stepping my foot on your land, I only hear your radio station here in ondo state . somebody from oyo or ogun states can not understand me when I speak. does that make me not yoruba?

Lolz, 4 sure u will understand, if 4 example an ilaje man speaks an average itsekiri man will understand. but some1 from Ogun won't understand..

No you still yoruba, buh I have met so many Ilaje's , they all tell me they re Ilaje's nt Yoruba, I think the problem is from there parents #Dunno.

tat y I staged an argument, Buh a Lady corrected me.

Thanks 4 d correction

@bolded do we av an Official radio Station there in Ondo ?, if yes give me the frequency. or is it an official language too ?
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 3:05pm On Sep 05, 2015
Goodboiyy:


Lolz, 4 sure u will understand, if 4 example an ilaje man speaks an average itsekiri man will understand. but some1 from Ogun won't understand..

No you still yoruba, buh I have met so many Ilaje's , they all tell me they re Ilaje's nt Yoruba, I think the problem is from there parents #Dunno.

tat y I staged an argument, Buh a Lady corrected me.

Thanks 4 d correction

@bolded do we av an Official radio Station there in Ondo ?, if yes give me the frequency. or is it an official language too ?
no.
as a kid using a palito radio then, I stumbled on a frequency where a language related to owo was being spoken, to my amazement, the presenter mentioned delta radio or something like that. so I asked my mum if we have yorubas in delta state and she told me it was the itsekiri people.
I am still at loss how itsekiri is not yoruba. I believe it's all politics though.
I still respect your right to stand alone.

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 3:15pm On Sep 05, 2015
Teejizzle:

no.
as a kid using a palito radio then, I stumbled on a frequency where a language related to owo was being spoken, to my amazement, the presenter mentioned delta radio or something like that. so I asked my mum if we have yorubas in delta state and she told me it was the itsekiri people.
I am still at loss how itsekiri is not yoruba. I believe it's all politics though.
I still respect your right to stand alone.

Thanks

Ogun or Oyo won't understand us if we speak as you do, d reason u understood us was because u closer to us than the rest, and we gat different culture with you guys thou, but there re some family name in My Town that re still in Ilaje community. I really luv d ilaje's
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by macof(m): 3:45pm On Sep 07, 2015
Goodboiyy
Why do you keep saying Ogun or Oyo?

Ijebu is close to both Ilaje and Itsekiri..and Ijebu is in Ogun

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by dejavski(m): 5:23pm On Sep 07, 2015
cahnellven:
for those looking for an ILAJE Man that will claim yoruba, here I i am.

I am an ILAJE, and very much yoruba, no doubt.

Y is this question even up for debate?

It's like asking if a pathologist is a doctor, doesn't that sound ridiculous?


The ilajes are a subgroup of the Yoruboid linguistic..
Full Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa.
NB: we ilajes are not his descendant. He met us in ile-ife
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by dejavski(m): 5:24pm On Sep 07, 2015
Goodboiyy:


Lolz, 4 sure u will understand, if 4 example an ilaje man speaks an average itsekiri man will understand. but some1 from Ogun won't understand..

No you still yoruba, buh I have met so many Ilaje's , they all tell me they re Ilaje's nt Yoruba, I think the problem is from there parents #Dunno.

tat y I staged an argument, Buh a Lady corrected me.

Thanks 4 d correction

@bolded do we av an Official radio Station there in Ondo ?, if yes give me the frequency. or is it an official language too ?
I hope u understand iru mo mi fo? grin
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by cahnellven: 6:32pm On Sep 07, 2015
dejavski:


The ilajes are a subgroup of the Yoruboid linguistic..
Full Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa.
NB: we ilajes are not his descendant. He met us in ile-ife

Nobody is discounting that .. Brotherhood is not achieved by relation alone, it is also achieved by association .

Don't forget that the yoruba nation as it is, does not really means descendants of oduduwa.
Oduduwa is just one man, everybody cannot come from his bloodline.
Remember, he's the leader of the old yoruba race but not the founder.

People precede him, like the ILAJEs for instance... That doesn't mean those preceding groups are any less yoruba

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by macof(m): 1:27am On Sep 09, 2015
dejavski:


The ilajes are a subgroup of the Yoruboid linguistic..
Full Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa.
NB: we ilajes are not his descendant. He met us in ile-ife

Wats all this nonsense? Oduduwa was king of Ife, Ilaje were part of that Ife like almost every other yoruba group today
Wat is full yorubas? Where can you find full yoruba?

Everyone cannot be descended from one man, it's the City we really look to

Tpia was right, most of you confusionists use the "we" tag to support an agenda

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by macof(m): 1:29am On Sep 09, 2015
cahnellven:


Nobody is discounting that .. Brotherhood is not achieved by relation alone, it is also achieved by association .

Don't forget that the yoruba nation as it is, does not really means descendants of oduduwa.
Oduduwa is just one man, everybody cannot come from his bloodline.
Remember, he's the leader of the old yoruba race but not the founder.

People precede him, like the ILAJEs for instance... That doesn't mean those preceding groups are any less yoruba

Nicely said
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Emilokoiyawon: 3:12am On Sep 09, 2015
Goodboiyy:


Lolz, Hahahahahaha,,,,,, these got my Attention, So because I aired my view am nw Igbo ?.

Lolz, pls oo, Nt Igbo, Nt Even related to Them, Am pure Itsekiri ... My dad Itsekiri my mom Urhobo. Lolz,, funny u

cool why are you so quick to deny Igbos, are they lepers that you have to emphasize that you are not related to them? cool

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Emilokoiyawon: 3:28am On Sep 09, 2015
grin grin grin Bialegend and his imaginary co-worker. Chai some Igbos just can't hide their low self esteem. Another failed attempt by a Biafraudian. It pains him that the Yorubas are a far more cohesive group than his landless, visionless, leaderless, and hopeless Biafra. LWKMD. You failed AGAIN. grin grin grin

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by dejavski(m): 6:55am On Sep 09, 2015
macof:


Wats all this nonsense? Oduduwa was king of Ife, Ilaje were part of that Ife like almost every othenot be descended from one man, it's the City we really look to

Tpia was right, most u of confusionists use the "we" tag to support an agenda

Do you know that the Benins were also occupants of ile-ife before?

If everyone in SW are not descendants of Oduduwa why do they generalise the entire SW as egbe Omo oodua? That's the main correction I am trying to highlight here
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by macof(m): 10:01am On Sep 09, 2015
dejavski:


Do you know that the Benins were also occupants of ile-ife before?

If everyone in SW are not descendants of Oduduwa why do they generalise the entire SW as egbe Omo oodua? That's the main correction I am trying to highlight here

Oduduwa is the father figure of the Yoruba. A national identity
It's not necessary for all to have a direct connection with the man

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 10:40am On Sep 09, 2015
dejavski:


Do you know that the Benins were also occupants of ile-ife before?

If everyone in SW are not descendants of Oduduwa why do they generalise the entire SW as egbe Omo oodua? That's the main correction I am trying to highlight here

@ the bolded: shocked please tell us more.

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by dejavski(m): 10:44am On Sep 09, 2015
9jacrip:


@ the bolded: shocked please tell us more.

Go and read more about history of ile-ife! Before Oduduwa's era
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 10:54am On Sep 09, 2015
dejavski:


Go and read more about history of ile-ife! Before Oduduwa's era

Read what? You should probably cite the works you want me to read or you share what you know here.

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by dejavski(m): 11:08am On Sep 09, 2015
9jacrip:


Read what? You should probably cite the works you want me to read or you share what you know here.

Pre-Oduduwa era of ile-ife
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 11:11am On Sep 09, 2015
dejavski:


Pre-Oduduwa era of ile-ife

And what is this? A citation?
So there's a research work titled that? Please share rhe arthour's name(s), year and place of publication.

E seun.

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by macof(m): 5:10pm On Sep 09, 2015
9jacrip:


And what is this? A citation?
So there's a research work titled that? Please share rhe arthour's name(s), year and place of publication.

E seun.
grin grin the guy is confused. One of those who solely rely on Google(which subsequently directs them to Linda Ikeji's blog)
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Nobody: 6:09pm On Sep 09, 2015
macof:

grin grin the guy is confused. One of those who solely rely on Google(which subsequently directs them to Linda Ikeji's blog)

Lmao grin cheesy
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by semasir: 9:32am On Sep 26, 2015
Hi, you can join www.badagryforum.com and make your inputs there to promote Badagry and also give insights. It's a forum dedicated to Badagry.

Thanks

Mckennedy:


I grow up at Badagry and they're Egun,, I even hear little Egun language.
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by semasir: 9:32am On Sep 26, 2015
Hi, you can join www.badagryforum.com and make your inputs there to promote Badagry and also give insights. It's a forum dedicated to Badagry.

Thanks

meforyou1:
Aworis, Eguns, Badagry etc are not Yorubas. Take it or leave it
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Shymm3x: 10:58am On Sep 26, 2015
Looool.

They're from Biafra by virtue of being Igbotic.

Ijebus are Igbos, with an origin from Ijebu-Igbo.

Egbas are Igbo warriors.

And the rest migrated from Biafra as refugees. cool

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by TonySpike: 11:03am On Sep 26, 2015
Shymm3x:
Looool.

They're from Biafra by virtue of being Igbotic.

Ijebus are Igbos, with an origin from Ijebu-Igbo.

Egbas are Igbo warriors.

And the rest migrated from Biafra as refugees. cool

I endorse this post 100%. There is a missing gap in Yoruba history especially that part where our ancestors migrated from Ala-Biafra around 500 B.C.. Thanks Shymm3x for juggling my memory!

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by Shymm3x: 11:23am On Sep 26, 2015
TonySpike:


I endorse this post 100%. There is a missing gap in Yoruba history especially that part where our ancestors migrated from Ala-Biafra around 500 B.C.. Thanks Shymm3x for juggling my memory!

Looool.

We all migrated from Biafra - the Igbotic promised land. cool

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by onuwaje(m): 4:25pm On Sep 26, 2015
Well I must say this is one of the most insightful threads I have ever come across on nairaland. I loved the mature arguement and provision of facts. U guys rock.

As to weda if any ethnic group is from here or there I believe the answer lies in what the ethnic group stands for and believes and this is why I said so

1.the only history/origin I choose to believe is the generally accepted view of that ethnicity. I use the itsekiri's as example. There is no doubt we share similarities in terms of language; but from time immemorial, the itsekiri nation have identified themselves with the edo nation. So r u going to believe anoda man's version of how the itsekiri evolved? Or are u going to believe the owners of their history?

2. I also believe we shud NOT impose origins on individuals. If tribe A says they were in existence before Adam. I believe we have to respect their history. Because every tribe has a version of their neighbours but the truth lies within our origin..
Thanks
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by lawani: 7:57pm On Dec 29, 2015
There is a national identity, common spirituality, loose federation of states founded by siblings with spiritual capital in Ife. The Omo Oduduwas are the last group on Earth holding on to the Ife. First civilization tradition which they believe was once held by all humans. They are one people. The word Yoruba belonged to the Oyo but is now used for all the people holding on to the Ife tradition. If you have that tradition, then you are Yoruba. Groups that are Yoruboid but don't claim Yoruba are Igala and Itsekiri. A nation established from the last Ife but holding themselves separate because of different language is Benin. The Akoko are not Yoruboid but are probably more authentic Ife people than any other. The word Yoruba is not our word, we identify as members of different nations but also as a loose federation with spiritual capital at a duly recognised Ife.
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by tpiar: 8:03pm On Dec 29, 2015
macof:



Wat is full yorubas? Where can you find full yoruba?



does anyone know?

who wants to attempt this?
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by tpiar: 8:05pm On Dec 29, 2015
dejavski:


Do you know that the Benins were also occupants of ile-ife before?




nice imagination.
Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by lawani: 8:38pm On Dec 29, 2015
Yoruba was the Islamic descriptive term for the people who stopped the advancement of Islam down south. The term means 'Thugs of the South' or ungovernable people of the South. Their real name is Eyeo or what we now call Oyo, a subgroup of Ife people. They sold Muslims as slaves in their inland port city of Lokoja and their seaPort at Porto Novo. They were something for the Muslims to worry about before their capital was burnt by the Fulani jihadists. The fact that you Igbos are not Muslims today you owe to them. Their real name is Oyo, we the remaining Ife people know them as Oyo, then later as Yoruba, right now we are all called Yoruba after them. Other non Oyos were not known as Yoruba in the past. We were omo ile kaaro o jiire across West Africa. The new name is Yoruba.

These Yoruba people built the largest cities in West Africa, their Oyo known as Katunga to the Hausas was the largest city in Africa a few centuries back.

All of us are now known as Yoruba if not Yoruba, we are children of Oduduwa oomo ile kaaro o jiire. We have thesame basic culture and same language acknowledging Ife as origin, sharing thesame Ifa corpus.

To be clear, my great great grandfather would not have seen himself as a Yoruba, that's like seeing himself as Oyo when he was Ijesha. He prided himself as an Ijesha man and they saw the Oyo as slippery and dangerous while the Oyo pride themselves as being more advanced. They dealt in gold, the Ijesas used mainly cowry shells. There were diplomatic relations. When trade started to shift to the Atlantic coast, the Ijesha took control of routes and taxed Oyo traders, this prompted the establishment of Ede by the Alaafin stationing an army division there to protect Oyo traders from the Ijesa. The Ijesha had diplomatic relations with Oyo, Nupe, Benin, Ijebu, Igbomina and etc and saw themselves as Ijesha, saw the Oyo and Igbomina as fellow children of Oduduwa despite not being Ijesha like them. Among all children of Oduduwa, none can attack Ife where they all see as the source. So it was a federation from Jebba to Lagos, from Okun land to Togo. All are thesame people but the word Yoruba is new. The nations of Ife people are numerous and only the Oyo was called Yoruba by Muslims but the name has displaced other names as the generic name for the whole group. Other names include Aku, Lukumi or Olukunmi, Anago and etc.

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Re: Are The Ilajes, Aworis, Egbas, Ijebus, Ikales And Eguns Really Yoruba? by lawani: 9:13pm On Dec 29, 2015
dejavski:


The ilajes are a subgroup of the Yoruboid linguistic..
Full Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa.
NB: we ilajes are not his descendant. He met us in ile-ife

To make the matter confound you more, all Yoruba are children of Obafemi Awolowo

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