Freemanan:
Of course not. .

marshalcarter:
Dnt knw cos I wanst there

menesheh:
It is one of those magics in the bible Christian nicknamed miracle.

mcfynest:


If it didn't happen, what then happened?

mcfynest:


Lol at MAGIC. Well God is not a magician(trickster). It either it happened or it is a code that we need to decipher

Freemanan:
Of course not. .

Pidggin:
@OP are u asking Christians or athiests? As a Christian my religion is based on faith, something an atheist will not have the privilege of understanding.

Of cause it really happened, there's no logic behind my belief rather there's faith that it did.

Pidggin:
@OP are u asking Christians or athiests? As a Christian my religion is based on faith, something an atheist will not have the privilege of understanding.

Of cause it really happened, there's no logic behind my belief rather there's faith that it did.

An2elect2:


Dearie the Christian faith is logical and sometimes supersedes logic. It is not illogical for our God who created the world out of nothing to multiply into thousands few pieces of bread and fish.

johnydon22:
1st Op is a Christian. .
2nd we do understand faith far more than you do because we have once being there.
Faith simply means hold on to your convictions whether it is true or not...just believe it....Isn't that dishonesty?


See you have shown how faith is a dishonest position.

First you weren't there, only read it in a book.

2nd you recognize the tendency of the event happening is improbable and against reason or reality.

but then as someone with "Faith" you just have to believe it did..

Your Faith in anything doesn't make it true, it doesn't even make it probably true. .That you have faith that 5bread fed 5,000 and remained 12 baskets doesn't make this true.

That a muslim have faith that muhammed split the moon doesn't make it true..

So you see, you can have faith all you want, it has no effect on reality neither can it make a lie to become true..

Your faith simply means you believe something against reason, logic or coincide to reality...

Pidggin:


I am on my way to church, will respond this later.

Pidggin:


Thanks sis, I know it is logical, but in the first place atheist will contest the line of thought. They don't believe God exists talk less of creating the world

Pidggin:
May I ask why you believe He created the world? I know your answer already and it is based on faith.

mcfynest:
Hi guys, it's another Sunday and we pray it goes well and God's name be exalted through Jesus Christ our Lord.

the question I have here and want us to discuss is this:

How did Jesus feed over 5000 people with only 5 loaves of bread and two fishes Matthew 14:13-21?

did it actually happened or was it allegorical? It was written that "As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

If it actually happened, where the disciples breaking each bread and it turned to many or what Raymond Brown, a well-known and highly esteemed Catholic scripture scholar was once asked this very question. He responded “I find no reason to dismiss the miraculous from the ministry of Jesus. Indeed, one of the oldest memories of him may have been that he did wondrous things — a memory that could have circulated not only among believers but among nonbelievers.” He goes on to explain that the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves was narrated in all four gospels suggesting, “Obviously the evidence for that miracle is of an earlier date.” This does not mean that miracles related only one time were “invented,” but that it “does allow greater possibility that this miracle story flowed from a later understanding about Jesus.”


if allegorical as the case may be, the bread will signify the word of God, what about the fish, what foes that signify? And what does this verse also signify they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over

this question has been a debate among theologians and Christians in general.

I am asking this question as a discussion and not as an argument. The bible said

It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.

Happy Sunday Guys

sukkot

An2elect2:
Not all are wise, but we must learn to tolerate the foolish among us dear. Deep down, we all know there is a God, some live all their lives suppressing the truth



God created the world for His glory, His pleasure. If we understand this important fact, it will affect the way we see God and this world. Why should He not? Like Jonathan Edwards said, "There is no argument of the emptiness or deficiency of a fountain
that it is inclined to overflow”.

Okay, just checked again. I answered why He created the world, instead of why i believe He did.

Why i believe God created the world and not the world creating itself is because of all i see around me: I will be in denial if i say the earth, the sun and other planetary bodies, the brain, etc with their vast complexities came out of nothing! Look how they function? Even our brains follow logical laws, they don't operate anyhow and if our senses tell us from all indication there is a God we cant doubt! They only time we come to doubt, is when we begin to create our own logic, and that we be no logic at all because Logical rules are universal and we follow them consciously and subconsciously every second and you know the good thing, they don't lie.

I don't need faith to know a building was erected by some men, when i see a house, my common sense tells me people someone was behind its construction...If i want to know him, its a different thing all together

Teempakguy:
so . . . let's agree that God created the earth.

Who created God?

Does it make sense to you that God can be created If so, who would call Him God? Maybe you should start by asking what God means and what attributes He must possess to be called God.

An2elect2:


Does it make sense to you that God can be created If so, who would call Him God? Maybe you should start by asking what God means and what attributes He must possess to be called God.

mcfynest:
Hi guys, it's another Sunday and we pray it goes well and God's name be exalted through Jesus Christ our Lord.

the question I have here and want us to discuss is this:

How did Jesus feed over 5000 people with only 5 loaves of bread and two fishes Matthew 14:13-21?

did it actually happened or was it allegorical? It was written that "As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

If it actually happened, where the disciples breaking each bread and it turned to many or what Raymond Brown, a well-known and highly esteemed Catholic scripture scholar was once asked this very question. He responded “I find no reason to dismiss the miraculous from the ministry of Jesus. Indeed, one of the oldest memories of him may have been that he did wondrous things — a memory that could have circulated not only among believers but among nonbelievers.” He goes on to explain that the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves was narrated in all four gospels suggesting, “Obviously the evidence for that miracle is of an earlier date.” This does not mean that miracles related only one time were “invented,” but that it “does allow greater possibility that this miracle story flowed from a later understanding about Jesus.”


if allegorical as the case may be, the bread will signify the word of God, what about the fish, what foes that signify? And what does this verse also signify they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over

this question has been a debate among theologians and Christians in general.

I am asking this question as a discussion and not as an argument. The bible said

It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.

Happy Sunday Guys

sukkot

sukkot:
[b]now lets get to the koko of the matter. you have to understand that the bible has astro-theological foundations meaning that everything in the universe including us humans are coded into the bible. now the verse about the bread is straight-forward because there is a verse in the bible which tells you bread means the word. now with the two fishes is a zodiacal representation of pisces which pisces represents wisdom knowledge and understanding of the celestial kind meaning ' the word '. so basically a multitude of people were preached to is what that story represents. now the success rate at this revival was so great that the converts went out to try to convert other people >>> ' the converts became fishers of men. i shall make you fishers of men '. the converts becoming fishers of men is what is presented as ' they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over '. and what that means is that the word was multiplied because there were many more people spreading the word now. so that what this means >>> ' they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over ' .

so the bible is a book that is not meant to be read literally. almost nothing in the bible is literal reading. there is a deeper meaning behind everything. [/b]