[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=38580067]

I'm a really big guy . I weighed close to 90 kg in my 200L . Now consider this : I jumped with a weight of close to 90kg from the top of the stairs to the bottom and landed with my ankle when childishly goofing around with a floor mate of mine . My ankle twisted - a horrific injury .

i had two big holes in my two legs,i couldnt walk

You have brain that decided to gain the ability for imaginations on its own , use it to understand my story

It takes from 6 months to 1 -2 years to heal . Mine took 1 month and 2 weeks . In fact I resumed lectures 3 weeks and some days after the injury. All this made possible through constant prayers . Thank God

constant prayers really? And my own injuries healed on its own without prayers



Mine stopped that very night .The prayers were offered in the evening by the house care member at that time .

Now,this is not a miracle because my own nightmares stopped without prayers.. Nightmares are not included when a proof of a miracle is required.. A nightmare is just a bad dream,and d brain has d ability to conjure things in dreams,and considering the fact that you were a kid wen it all happened,that's not a miracle


You are forgetting that I got what I asked for . 4 times
since u think getting good roomies is a miracle, i didnt pray for mine and i got it,which is cooler


Mine was at that instance/moment the prayer was offered

oh!!mine didnt require any prayer.. I just had to relax a little while

You should ask yourself what my personal gain is for lying . And why I keeping deceiving myself . Actually , I don't care if you believe it or not . I just want you to prove they aint miracles.
proof that they aren't miracles are already there in them. My experiences didnt require prayers to happen,u dont get it ,do u? There are many worse experiences than ours that didnt even require prayers to any god,and d victims survived.. You can check guiness book of records.


I believe you



The body has the propensity to heal wounds/injuries is not evident enough that it was designed by a creator ?

oh sure,humans are intelligent enough to have come by chance,but also whatever created them to must be also very intelligent to also have come by chance and so d list goes


I smell cowardice . Anyway it was expected

I'm not running away.. I was not arguing with you in the first place.. All these stories u told above are not reasonable proofs of miracles because i have experienced things that are worse than that.. I only had to list out those that were similar to urs. And you haven't even proven how they are miracles.

Antiparticle:

lwkmd! Without prayers, most people's badly swollen twisted ankles go away; these are control experiments that challenge your claim. Your miracle claim falls flat when placed beside control experiments that didn't require prayer.


Other people have had nightmares that have stopped without prayers or any intervention; your claim falls flat again beside these control experiments.


So only praying Christians consistently get the best roommates? Claim falls flat again beside control experiments.


I question your use of the term "instantly". Did you feel better psychologically or you are saying your body temperature instantly dropped by over two degrees!? If it is the latter, did you measure your body temperature to confirm? Hope you know that the definition of fever is tied to body temperature. If it is the former, then once again your claim falls flat beside control experiments of ill non-theist people who feel better because of the presence of a loved one.


Lol. Of course your face/body can get red and then turn normal again seconds later; this happens to non-theists too. This happens to both Christians and non-Christians, so your claim once again falls flat beside control experiments. I can't understand how you would say this is a miracle.

All your "miracles" are specious bro, and too easy to debunk. Please tell us more plausible stories about miracles na.

ok @trapQ, I want to hear about your miracles too. Please don't send me some online link... just tell us here.

read my response to Krystalzkris

Why I choose not to contribute on this discussion is that no matter how hard the theist tries to convince the atheist,he still won't believe except he sees a playback of the the dividing of red sea and river jordan ....That shows how powerful the mind can be.

Like I said, I have no contribution to make without dividing the red sea as an evidence of the existence of a supreme being(God).

Man is in three dimension,which is the body,soul,and spirit. And each dimension has compartments.

Let me discuss a little on soul and the spirit....

The soul refers to the mental faculties of man and it consist of Intellect(the mind),his emotions,and his reasoning which is his will.
God did not create man just to have dominion over man. He created mankind in his own image and gave man those dimensions. The spirit was God's image,the soul was for man's own free thinking(which is what you guys are showing.....I don't see it bad),and the body is for earthly dominance. But understanding the existence of God goes beyond man's soul. The spirit and the soul controls the body. I believe you guys would not doubt about man having a soul. So is the existence of a spirit in man which works beyond the physical realm. If you say there is no spirituality, then I will tell you to open your mind further since your ideologies comes from the mind.
Like I said, I don't want to argue much on this because there is no way I can change a mindset that works with physical evidence of existence of God.

Call it doctrine that has been passed through generations,and I will boldly tell you it has never failed me,and as long as it won't,I will still keep believing in the existence of God.

Krystalzkris:



i had two big holes in my two legs,i couldnt walk

Wow that must be terrible . So how come you got such injury ?

Now,this is not a miracle because my own nightmares stopped without prayers.. Nightmares are not included when a proof of a miracle is required.. A nightmare is just a bad dream,and d brain has d ability to conjure things in dreams,and considering the fact that you were a kid wen it all happened,that's not a miracle

So why did it my nightmares decide to stop that night and they never came back since then ... the prayers were offered in the evening of that day

since u think getting good roomies is a miracle, i didnt pray for mine and i got it,which is coolergrin

Again I got what I asked for .. 4 times . It may not be a miracle per se but my prayers worked

oh!!mine didnt require any prayer.. I just had to relax a little while

Cool ... but why did mine decide to get healed immediately after the prayer

oh sure,humans are intelligent enough to have come by chance,but also whatever created them to must be also very intelligent to also have come by chance and so d list goes

Oh honey , the body having the propensity to heal injuries does not imply intelligence

But God exists outside time and space precluding infinite regress - "and so d list goes on " . Do humans now exist outside time ?

I'm not running away.. I was not arguing with you in the first place.. All these stories u told above are not reasonable proofs of miracles because i have experienced things that are worse than that.. I only had to list out those that were similar to urs. And you haven't even proven how they are miracles.

You failed utterly in proving they are not reasonable proofs

Antiparticle:


I question your use of the term "instantly". Did you feel better psychologically or you are saying your body temperature instantly dropped by over two degrees!? If it is the latter, did you measure your body temperature to confirm? Hope you know that the definition of fever is tied to body temperature. If it is the former, then once again your claim falls flat beside control experiments of ill non-theist people who feel better because of the presence of a loved one.

Stop being unreasonable . My body temperature dropped instantly . The hotness ceased and my body became cool instantly after the prayer was made . I suddenly gained strength and was normal again . INSTANTLY . I was amazed after the experience .

Lol. Of course your face/body can get red and then turn normal again seconds later; this happens to non-theists too. This happens to both Christians and non-Christians, so your claim once again falls flat beside control experiments. I can't understand how you would say this is a miracle.

Provide biological proof that a swollen part of the face and red eye could disappear in seconds as a baby after hitting his/her against a solid metallic material e.g a gate . Are these non-theists on Nairaland ? Can you give their usernames ?


But if you are trying to insinuate that I'm lying i'l quit talking to you because it'd be taken as an insult . Its that simple . So try again and pay attention to the word "instantly"

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop being unreasonable . My body temperature dropped instantly . The hotness ceased and my body became cool instantly after the prayer was made . I suddenly gained strength and was normal again . INSTANTLY . I was amazed after the experience.

For real I'm not trying to be unreasonable. You can say you felt better instantly, which I can believe. But you can't expect me to believe your fever went away instantly unless you measured the instant temperature drop. Did you in fact have what would be clinically defined as a fever? That your illness went away doesn't mean it was a miracle. I've had headaches that disappeared in what felt like an instant; this doesn't mean it was a miracle.

Ok, even if the fever felt like it went away immediately after prayer, there are other more probable reasons why that could have happened other than prayer. Correlation does not imply causation bro. I'll need enormous proof for your enormous claim. But correlation isn't proof. I need proof for causality. You are making a God-of-the-gaps argument. Sorry.

KingEbukasBlog:
Provide biological proof that a swollen part of the face and red eye could disappear in seconds as a baby after hitting his/her against a solid metallic material e.g a gate . Are these non-theists on Nairaland ? Can you give their usernames ?

Well you can't expect me to respond to this because in your post you didn't write that it was swollen. Please stop moving the proverbial goal post. All you wrote was that your face "really red , the affected area was an obnoxious sight to behold"... this is full of so much ambiguity that it is impossible to take such a vague claim seriously.

KingEbukasBlog:
But if you are trying to insinuate that I'm lying i'l quit talking to you because it'd be taken as an insult . Its that simple . So try again and pay attention to the word "instantly"

Actually, I don't think you are lying. I truly think you believe every thing that you are stating. The fact that a traveling Bedouin sees a mirage in the middle of the Sahara (and believes it) doesn't mean there is indeed a lake there. The fact that a schizophrenic person sees objects (and believes it) does not mean that the objects are truly there. Sorry bro, you can't tell me that the swelling instantly went away and expect me to believe you when you don't even have a clear memory of the incident and thus you cannot quantify the extent to which you supposedly had swelling/redness etc.

You have once again confirmed that miracles only exist when there is ambiguity involved, or when they could be ascribed to coincidence. All your "miracle" claims fit this category. I can't even believe that you expect me to be convinced based on these excessively subjective anecdotes.

Of course I have. I don't follow religion blindly because of mass appeal. I'd love to share my experience but as usual you'll debunk it and I can't argue endlessly. I only hope you have enough grace to "see the light" - and I mean to experience the power of our lord JESUS christ

Quick question, do you believe in the supernatural?.

Krystalzkris:
lol... Testimonies indeed.. Have u experienced any of these miracles or is it just stories others told?

You really think I have time for such long episodes?? No pls. For the benefit of this topic I'd like you to watch a short video. Don't bring up fallacies about it being edited and shit because its obviously not. There are specialists who "wash" (for lack of a proper word) pictures and videos to rid it of the editing and to guarantee authenticity of a video or picture. Not sure they are accessible in nigeria but you could ask your computer gurus you know if the video was actually edited or not.

NB: DO NOT COME HERE DEBUNKING THIS MIRACLE WITHOUT FIRST PROPERLY VERIFYING IF THE VIDEO WAS EDITED OR NOT. Cuz you aethiests are quick to parade real miracles as lies or staged events.

Now google "annointing water, head burst open". Its a 3min video. Pls don't @ me if you intend making a mockery of this.

Antiparticle:

lwkmd! Without prayers, most people's badly swollen twisted ankles go away; these are control experiments that challenge your claim. Your miracle claim falls flat when placed beside control experiments that didn't require prayer.


Other people have had nightmares that have stopped without prayers or any intervention; your claim falls flat again beside these control experiments.


So only praying Christians consistently get the best roommates? Claim falls flat again beside control experiments.


I question your use of the term "instantly". Did you feel better psychologically or you are saying your body temperature instantly dropped by over two degrees!? If it is the latter, did you measure your body temperature to confirm? Hope you know that the definition of fever is tied to body temperature. If it is the former, then once again your claim falls flat beside control experiments of ill non-theist people who feel better because of the presence of a loved one.


Lol. Of course your face/body can get red and then turn normal again seconds later; this happens to non-theists too. This happens to both Christians and non-Christians, so your claim once again falls flat beside control experiments. I can't understand how you would say this is a miracle.

All your "miracles" are specious bro, and too easy to debunk. Please tell us more plausible stories about miracles na.

ok @trapQ, I want to hear about your miracles too. Please don't send me some online link... just tell us here.

Antiparticle:

For real I'm not trying to be unreasonable. You can say you felt better instantly, which I can believe. But you can't expect me to believe your fever went away instantly unless you measured the instant temperature drop. Did you in fact have what would be clinically defined as a fever? That your illness went away doesn't mean it was a miracle. I've had headaches that disappeared in what felt like an instant; this doesn't mean it was a miracle.

Presently,I am normal ,no fever . So I don't know what it means to be normal ? Just like when the electric iron gets cold after being switched off ,do I need a thermometer to know that the temperature is low and I need to turn on the electric iron to get hot again ? The disparity between high temperature when someone is down with fever and when the body is normal is observable through the sense of touch .


Fever refers to a rise in body temperature and it has symptoms such as weakness . Immediately the prayer was made , the hot temperature reduced and I regained strength in seconds . Before the prayer was made I was weak and my temperature was high . After the prayer , I gained strength and the temperature was normal .

Ok, even if the fever felt like it went away immediately after prayer, there are other more probable reasons why that could have happened other than prayer. Correlation does not imply causation bro. I'll need enormous proof for your enormous claim. But correlation isn't proof. I need proof for causality. You are making a God-of-the-gaps argument. Sorry.

Its quite simple , you are making it look enormous . I am a christian and you are an atheist . Its enormous to you and its simple to me

The fever -hot temperature and weakness - went immediately after the prayer was made . Bro , it's not my business if you think its God-of-the gaps argument . I was down with high temperature and weakness and was prayed for and it went away and never came back (incase you start insinuating it was placebo and it was my mum not a pastor)

Well you can't expect me to respond to this because in your post you didn't write that it was swollen. Please stop moving the proverbial goal post. All you wrote was that your face "really red , the affected area was an obnoxious sight to behold"... this is full of so much ambiguity that it is impossible to take such a vague claim seriously.

And I also said : "No red eye , no injuries , my face , my head were plain smooth" Sorry if I missed the swollen part in the first description and the "smooth " part also showed that it was a swelling

Actually, I don't think you are lying. I truly think you believe every thing that you are stating. The fact that a traveling Bedouin sees a mirage in the middle of the Sahara (and believes it) doesn't mean there is indeed a lake there.

Lol this is funny .

The fact that a schizophrenic person sees objects (and believes it) does not mean that the objects are truly there.

My mum does not have schizophrenia .Stop making assumptions its pathetic

Sorry bro, you can't tell me that the swelling instantly went away and expect me to believe you when you don't even have a clear memory of the incident and thus you cannot quantify the extent to which you supposedly had swelling/redness etc.

I said ""According to my mum"

Does the extent matter ? Let me reiterate : "No red eye , no injuries , my face , my head were plain smooth"

You have once again confirmed that miracles only exist when there is ambiguity involved, or when they could be ascribed to coincidence. All your "miracle" claims fit this category.

Ive not accepted that its not and you are rushing into conclusions - its a sign of desperation .

Miracles involve the supernatural so I dont expect you to quickly comprehend what is supposedly above your perception till its experienced by you .

I can't even believe that you expect me to be convinced based on these excessively subjective anecdotes.

But actually , I dont care if your convinced or not . The point is to just prove that they are not miracles and I have to admit .

So Try Again .

@KingEbukasBlog Ok you can have your "miracles". Good to hear that you believe that your "miracles" stand the test of empirical scrutiny.

Antiparticle:
@KingEbukasBlog Ok you can have your "miracles". Good to hear that you believe that your "miracles" stand the test of empirical scrutiny.

Its understandable when an atheist is really skeptical about the reality of miracles . The post is there to see and for anyone to scrutinize , but still I hope you'll experience one especially an instant one , the whole thing is ecstatic

trapQ:
Of course I have. I don't follow religion blindly because of mass appeal. I'd love to share my experience but as usual you'll debunk it and I can't argue endlessly. I only hope you have enough grace to "see the light" - and I mean to experience the power of our lord JESUS christ

Quick question, do you believe in the supernatural?.

no

KingEbukasBlog:


Wow that must be terrible . So how come you got such injury ?



So why did it my nightmares decide to stop that night and they never came back since then ... the prayers were offered in the evening of that day



Again I got what I asked for .. 4 times . It may not be a miracle per se but my prayers worked



Cool ... but why did mine decide to get healed immediately after the prayer



Oh honey , the body having the propensity to heal injuries does not imply intelligence

But God exists outside time and space precluding infinite regress - "and so d list goes on " . Do humans now exist outside time ?



You failed utterly in proving they are not reasonable proofs

you raised a point about god existing outside time and space,can u explain what u mean by that?

Krystalzkris:
you raised a point about god existing outside time and space,can u explain what u mean by that?

My argument with dalaman

dalaman:


Can you demonstrate how something can exist outside time?

KingEbukasBlog:



Genesis 1 : 1
In the beginning , God created the heavens and the earth

Beginning - this shows the introduction of time . If God could create our universe in which time is a constituent then he exists outside it .

Infinite regress - urban dictionary

given the cosmological argument, the universe must have a beginning. the notion that the universe's origin came about by the random forming of particles in space, there must have been something to first put those particles there. whatever that something is, it must exist outside of time and always exist, lest you get into a series of arguments going further and further back until you have infinite regress.

In summary , the existence of God precludes infinite regression

KingEbukasBlog:


Its common sense . For a simultaneous equation to be true , the condition is that the value of the unknown should satisfy the equations be it product , difference , dividend etc . For a soccer match to be won , either of the two teams should outscore the other team . For God to be the creator of the universe and preclude infinite regression , he has to exist outside space and time . Honestly , I'm over stressing this issue :

KingEbukasBlog:


Maybe I need to elucidate - if something exists outside time its is eternal . It has no beginning and end

Krystalzkris:
you raised a point about god existing outside time and space,can u explain what u mean by that?

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning (TIME), God created the heavens(SPACE) and the earth (MATTER)."

The universe began to exist If something began to exist, something else must have caused its existence Therefore the universe was caused
by something else.

God exist outside the cosmic box , outside the dimension of time , the bible say God is a spirit . A spirit do not bound by the law of caused. God created this universe .

trapQ:
You really think I have time for such long episodes?? No pls. For the benefit of this topic I'd like you to watch a short video. Don't bring up fallacies about it being edited and shit because its obviously not. There are specialists who "wash" (for lack of a proper word) pictures and videos to rid it of the editing and to guarantee authenticity of a video or picture. Not sure they are accessible in nigeria but you could ask your computer gurus you know if the video was actually edited or not.

NB: DO NOT COME HERE DEBUNKING THIS MIRACLE WITHOUT FIRST PROPERLY VERIFYING IF THE VIDEO WAS EDITED OR NOT. Cuz you aethiests are quick to parade real miracles as lies or staged events.

Now google "annointing water, head burst open". Its a 3min video. Pls don't @ me if you intend making a mockery of this.

I have watched many magicians perform more astonishing acts. Pls how does whatever happened in that vedio pass off as miracle to u? Do you even question events in your life or u just believe anything because of a strong need to ensure that what u believe is real or fact.
I might not know how TB Joshua got to successfully carry out that obviously fake act but what I don't understand is how u even see it as real. It is the dumbest display of miracle I have ever seen in my life.
Take a look at that vedio again and ask yourself questions...
1. What kind of illness was wrong with that boy? What is the medical term? What is the history and cause? Shouldnt he have involved a medical practitioner to explain more or at least get medical information from the patient based on treatments he had been undergoing?
2. If the boy had purs in his head... It must be a real serious issue. We would have seen the effect of the boil in his face. How could he face be so normal with such huge amount of boil in his head.
4. The boy looked like he was acting on instruction to me. He just waited for the water to be sprayed on his head and face then he positioned himself and prepared to allow the liquid gush out.
5. Why was he applying pressure on the region. Something looked fishy. He could apply pressure on the region without feeling pain? Lol... Have you ever had a wound with purs? I think Joshua was in a hurry to deceive people that he forgot a lot of things. Why didn't the liquid come out on its own while the boy, who should be in pain, gently cleans it. Shouldn't the area be sensitive?

Abeg I no fit shout.

KingEbukasBlog:


You don't know who or what created man

"who or what " in your sentence implies that the creation of life was orchestrated by an entity better still a being and yet you are obdurate that its not God - a being . It further spreads out to a general purpose of life owned by "who or what " responsible for life thus rebutting your aforementioned proposition - the purpose of human existence is what man wants to make off life .

Isn't that contradiction or may be confusion

Funny How You Quickly Asserted 'Who Or What' To Mean Dalaman Was Referring To An Entity!!! 'Who Or What' Could Mean Entities...For Example, Who Stole The Meats From The Pot Asked A Mom To Her Son Tobi; Tobi Replies Her 'Kola, Hammed And Emeka Stole The Meats'....Another Example; ' What Made You Kill The Man, Esther?' Esther Could Reply With Loads Of Reasons Why She Killed Him!!! So ' Who And What' Never Denotes A Single Entity Except That Is What You Want It To Personally Be. Think.

malvisguy212:
my good friend, do not allow the devil to deceive you , God is there , He is waiting for you, forget about this atheists who are writing long epistle to deceive you with there seducing doctrine. Let me tell you the truth , To believe in God , it will caused you your favourite sin ,that is why atheists don't want to believe in God because they cannot do without their favourite sin.

An atheist who like to live immoral life, an evangelist approach him and say "repent and live a good live " do you think he will repent ? I tell you the truth any small opportunity that came his way which disprove the existence of God , he will believe it and be ready to defend it just because he want to continue living immoral life.
https://www.nairaland.com/2635294/advice-backsliding-christians

Your submission is very very very wrong. Atheists do not believe in God because they want to continue in sin. They only seek truth with evidence to satisfy the the curiosity in man. There are many atheists who love their neighbours and are selfless than many so-called born again christians.
I do not need a religious book to know what is wrong or right and I will advice you critically look into what the op said instead of attacking the Op or other atheists.
Note: I am not an atheist but I have lost touch with religion.

Antiparticle:
Bros, if Christianity had any correlation with morality Nigeria would today be a very prosperous country. You are also implying that not believing in the existence of Yahweh is due to a desire escape from morality? While your statements may come out of good intentions, I think you need to educate yourself on world history over the past 2,000 years in order to disabuse yourself of the notion that Christianity and morality are synonymous.

Also, you propose that atheists don't know God because they haven't made any real effort devoid of doubt and skepticism. What do you propose? Humans should follow what the Bible says without asking any questions? So, tell me, why aren't you a Muslim or Sango worshipper? You obviously aren't a Muslim or Sango worshipper because you are doubtful and skeptical about it (to put it lightly). I hope that you realize that you, also, are atheist towards all other world deities/religions outside of Christianity.

Make better arguments bro if you want anyone on here to listen to you. No offense intended.

Once again am not offended.
You see am not here to argue. Am not very good at arguing. One thing I have learnt from the bible is that God is all about having a personal encounter with him. Mere words like this can never fully change one to God. All I expect you to do is later just ponder over them, I may not bring you all the scientific and all the arguments you expect to see, all am telling you is what I know. And I pray it guides you into the truth.
Am not skeptical over Islam or other religions, read my post I advised that you also study this religions and come to a conclusion your self. I have studied some of them especially Islam and am convinced that Allah is not God. I have many Muslim friends and am always open wen dey "evangelize" to me.
No, morality is not equal to Christianity. Someone can be a good person without knowing christ. Like I said in my post if you read it at all, or all u do is just pick out points to disagree upon and "argue". I said I believe many atheists are morally upstanding. But morality is not enough because as much as we are good we are still human, imperfect.
,selfish and Christianity demands selflessness and so much more things that could only be done when u know christ, not in our morality
That's why the bible says "OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS (MORALITY) IS AS FILTHY RAGS BEFORE THE LORD" when we claim to be moral, the lord still sees so much flaws that only christ can settle.

If you read my posts I encourage you to ask questions, Even God doesn't want u following him blindly like many Christians who were indoctrinated into it. God wants you to ask questions and have answers, but you probably would never find one if you keep seeking it the way many of you do, seems you already have your answer but u still claim to need answers wen u already have "found" it.

Finally anti-particle I may not argue the way u want probably ur a good historian and scientist and all, am not. You argue from the knowledge you have, I argue from the little knowledge God in his mercies has revealed to me.
What is your definition of "listen" does it mean somebody openly telling me on this forum "Am listening, you are convincing me" I don't think any of you would do that if that's what u mean
But am sure someone is listening, reading this thread and deciding to check this God out and see if what am saying is all bollocks. Someone who is at the point of falling from Knowing christ and fall to unbelief would one day come across this thread and his/her faith would come alive.
am not forcing you,i can't convince you for My God. My God can always prove himself in his on time HE IS GOD!
AGAIN logic and Christianity don't mix that's why my posts may not even sound logical, am sorry. That's just what Christianity is all about its all about FAITH. AND the bible tells me that faith comes by hearing the word of God. Not by logic, historical data, or whatever. By the word of God.

gbaskiphylle:

Your submission is very very very wrong. Atheists do not believe in God because they want to continue in sin. They only seek truth with evidence to satisfy the the curiosity in man. There are many atheists who love their neighbours and are selfless than many so-called born again christians.
I do not need a religious book to know what is wrong or right and I will advice you critically look into what the op said instead of attacking the Op or other atheists.
Note: I am not an atheist but I have lost touch with religion.

who make you a mouthpiece for atheists? You are not an athletes but you know more than them , you know their intention, your case is something else.

Pleased read atheists post on nairaland and tell me if this guys are seeking for the truth ,okay, when you say atheists are seeking for the truth, it means they are not sure if God exist or not , they just want to know the truth,right? Will someone who is not sure if God exist or not ,but are only searching for the truth, will they insult and mock God they way atheists on nairaland are doing ? My friends atheists and satanist are no different ( I see your confusion)

Concerning morality,I have tried my best to explained to atheists but they are deluded to reason. Let me use another method here:

Will a Ph.D holder be less likely to kill and moleste little children than illitraite people ? If your answer is yes , then what about Stalin hitler and the rest who are educated , they commit genocide in killing infacte the nazi are very educated people. I tell you the truth , Man, left to his own reason, will
not choose right. Reason, by itself, is death and destruction, oppressive theories and murderous social engineering. No faith and no belief have led us to the brink of the social
abyss of self-destruction.

malvisguy212:
who make you a mouthpiece for atheists? You are not an athletes but you know more than them , you know their intention, your case is something else.

Pleased read atheists post on nairaland and tell me if this guys are seeking for the truth ,okay, when you say atheists are seeking for the truth, it means they are not sure if God exist or not , they just want to know the truth,right? Will someone who is not sure if God exist or not ,but are only searching for the truth, will they insult and mock God they way atheists on nairaland are doing ? My friends atheists and satanist are no different ( I see your confusion)

Concerning morality,I have tried my best to explained to atheists but they are deluded to reason. Let me use another method here:

Will a Ph.D holder be less likely to kill and moleste little children than illitraite people ? If your answer is yes , then what about Stalin hitler and the rest who are educated , they commit genocide in killing infacte the nazi are very educated people. I tell you the truth , Man, left to his own reason, will
not choose right. Reason, by itself, is death and destruction, oppressive theories and murderous social engineering. No faith and no belief have led us to the brink of the social
abyss of self-destruction.

What is the difference between Hitler, Stalin and Moses some one you revere and believe is your God's best prophet according to your bible? Where all these characters not genocidal maniacs? Christians and Jews with God on their side oppressed and enslaved others, your bible even has laws on how to buy and sell salves. Christians all over time have used the bible to commit all sorts of atrocities, over 90 percent of the Germans that participated in the holocaust were christians. Nigeria is suffering as a result of too much religiosity.

First of all you need to be liberal and open minded. I have seen demons, a lot of them. And don't come saying its hallucination and all that. I suppose you must have had nightmares at least once in your lifetime. I mean that scary experience you(must have) had in your sleep that seemed like it actually happened in real life. A nightmare is actually a "demon", not a scary dream;you can google it. Those experiences and nightmares you see, science has proven them to be REAL. When this occurs, you are unable to speak, you lie in terror until consciousness is regained. The whites call this "sleep paralysis" but every believer knows it as "spiritual attacks". There is no scientific as to why this occurs.

The bible speaks of a place called HELL and it is supposedly below the earth. To prove this, scientists recently discovered a place considered to be the gateway to hell. There are some many facts, evidences and prophecies that have been fufilled which the scriptures spoke of.

Archeologists have uncovered proof that the red sea crossing took place, and the sodom and gomorrah tragedy also; and lots more.

A lot of "credible" and "authentic" miracles have taken place. You should google "head burst open, anointing water" and you'll see a real miracle and pls don't say it was edited. Also you can read up "dimensions". It has to do with physics. It explains how we are 3rd dimensional beings and how beings in higher dimensions (eg spirits which are in 4th dimension) can pass through walls because of their high vibrational frequencies. They also move faster than the speed of light. This is "physics", not fiction.

When you give your life to christ, he will open your spiritual eyes and see many things. True belivers have "guardian angels" around them. And GOD can open your eyes to see your guardian angel if you are faithful to him and ask him.

Krystalzkris:
no

You need serious help... What every reasonable person wouldve done first would be to check if the video was edited. But no, yours is outside the box. We both know that the very best of nollywood can't pull off that trick. You are the very reason nigeria is in crisis. You see the truth, but instead of carrying out research, you debunk those claims.
How does someone fake a liquid erupting from the head in an un-edited video

You're not even in the medical field to know the nature of the illness and if it needed some region of the face to be swollen. I'm a medical doctor and every medical practitioner knows of such cases.

You need JESUS. Pls don't @ me again

frank317:


I have watched many magicians perform more astonishing acts. Pls how does whatever happened in that vedio pass off as miracle to u? Do you even question events in your life or u just believe anything because of a strong need to ensure that what u believe is real or fact.
I might not know how TB Joshua got to successfully carry out that obviously fake act but what I don't understand is how u even see it as real. It is the dumbest display of miracle I have ever seen in my life.
Take a look at that vedio again and ask yourself questions...
1. What kind of illness was wrong with that boy? What is the medical term? What is the history and cause? Shouldnt he have involved a medical practitioner to explain more or at least get medical information from the patient based on treatments he had been undergoing?
2. If the boy had purs in his head... It must be a real serious issue. We would have seen the effect of the boil in his face. How could he face be so normal with such huge amount of boil in his head.
4. The boy looked like he was acting on instruction to me. He just waited for the water to be sprayed on his head and face then he positioned himself and prepared to allow the liquid gush out.
5. Why was he applying pressure on the region. Something looked fishy. He could apply pressure on the region without feeling pain? Lol... Have you ever had a wound with purs? I think Joshua was in a hurry to deceive people that he forgot a lot of things. Why didn't the liquid come out on its own while the boy, who should be in pain, gently cleans it. Shouldn't the area be sensitive?

Abeg I no fit shout.

trapQ:

The bible speaks of a place called HELL and it is supposedly below the earth. To prove this, s[b]cientists recently discovered a place considered to be the gateway to hell.[/b] There are some many facts, evidences and prophecies that have been fufilled which the scriptures spoke of.

It has been shown to be a hoax. Nothing like that has ever been discovered.

Archeologists have uncovered proof that the red sea crossing took place, and the sodom and gomorrah tragedy also; and lots more.

Another urban legend, nothing like that has been discovered, some shoddy christian fundamentalist went about claiming he has discovered the red sea crossing, which has also been shown to be false.

dalaman:


What is the difference between Hitler, Stalin and Moses some one you revere and believe is your God's best prophet according to your bible? Where all these characters not genocidal maniacs? Christians and Jews with God on their side oppressed and enslaved others, your bible even has laws on how to buy and sell salves. Christians all over time have used the bible to commit all sorts of atrocities, over 90 percent of the Germans that participated in the holocaust were christians. Nigeria is suffering as a result of too much religiosity.

Thank you Dalaman....I don't know if it is pride or brainwashing that has made christians not to admit that there are contradictions in the bible. I believe Malvisguy does not believe in allah.;but why I ask? Because allah is not god. What then gives you the certainty that your god is the True god?...what if you are wrong? Have you ever considered the posibility? Are you then saying that all others who do not share your faith are doomed for your hell? Even the various factions in christianity have condemned each other to hell because of differences in belief system...Love your fellowman and be true to yourself...that's the best religion!

Shown to be what hoax? Lmao... I laugh in arabic!! the op is totally clueless.. I first heard of this sometime last year and the exact location and images of the place was provided.

If you don't believe suit yourself, but saying this is a hoax is alarmingly silly.

dalaman:


It has been shown to be a hoax. Nothing like that has ever been discovered.






Another urban legend, nothing like that has been discovered, some shoddy christian fundamentalist went about claiming he has discovered the red sea crossing, which has also been shown to be false.

Read and comprehend, I said "archeologists". Not some "shoddy christian fundamentalist"

Bye!!!

dalaman:


It has been shown to be a hoax. Nothing like that has ever been discovered.






Another urban legend, nothing like that has been discovered, some shoddy christian fundamentalist went about claiming he has discovered the red sea crossing, which has also been shown to be false.

dalaman:


What is the difference between Hitler, Stalin and Moses some one you revere and believe is your God's best prophet according to your bible? Where all these characters not genocidal maniacs? Christians and Jews with God on their side oppressed and enslaved others, your bible even has laws on how to buy and sell salves. Christians all over time have used the bible to commit all sorts of atrocities, over 90 percent of the Germans that participated in the holocaust were christians. Nigeria is suffering as a result of too much religiosity.

did Moses kill to oppress people ? Did Moses kill for political power ? During the time of Moses, the Jews are a small nation compear to others , but their neighbouring nation oppress them and harvest their crop. But hitler and Stalin are men who are fighting for their own selfish interest. If God favour the Jews , why did He allow hitler to kill soo many Jews ? That is to say God who is a God of justice can punished His children for disobedient.

gbaskiphylle:

Thank you Dalaman....I don't know if it is pride or brainwashing that has made christians not to admit that there are contradictions in the bible. I believe Malvisguy does not believe in allah.;but why I ask? Because allah is not god. What then gives you the certainty that your god is the True god?...what if you are wrong? Have you ever considered the posibility? Are you then saying that all others who do not share your faith are doomed for your hell? Even the various factions in christianity have condemned each other to hell because of differences in belief system...Love your fellowman and be true to yourself...that's the best religion!

trash. Read this thread. https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one
Or
https://www.nairaland.com/2349810/agnosticsatheists-others-religion-pleased-read

djdoxxx:
Funny How You Quickly Asserted 'Who Or What' To Mean Dalaman Was Referring To An Entity!!! 'Who Or What' Could Mean Entities...For Example, Who Stole The Meats From The Pot Asked A Mom To Her Son Tobi; Tobi Replies Her 'Kola, Hammed And Emeka Stole The Meats'....Another Example; ' What Made You Kill The Man, Esther?' Esther Could Reply With Loads Of Reasons Why She Killed Him!!! So ' Who And What' Never Denotes A Single Entity Except That Is What You Want It To Personally Be. Think.

The trinity you mean ? God, an entity , in three beings - Father , Son and Holy Spirit

Genesis 1:26a

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness ... "

You always attempt to refute one of my numerous posts every single time . Why

malvisguy212:
did Moses kill to oppress people ? Did Moses kill for political power ? During the time of Moses, the Jews are a small nation compear to others , but their neighbouring nation oppress them and harvest their crop. But hitler and Stalin are men who are fighting for their own selfish interest. If God favour the Jews , why did He allow hitler to kill soo many Jews ? That is to say God who is a God of justice can punished His children for disobedient.

Lol ... Dalaman claims to have read all three religious books - bible , koran and Hindus' book - and does not know who Moses is or what he did

Brother Dalaman you need Jesus

gbaskiphylle:

Your submission is very very very wrong. Atheists do not believe in God because they want to continue in sin. They only seek truth with evidence to satisfy the the curiosity in man.

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Assumption

There are many atheists who love their neighbours and are selfless than many so-called born again christians.

Assertion

I do not need a religious book to know what is wrong or right and I will advice you critically look into what the op said instead of attacking the Op or other atheists.

No one is saying that

Note: I am not an atheist but I have lost touch with religion.

You need Jesus